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00:02:19,324\n我們部裡面的評估比較不是一份報告或一個數字我們部裡面的是持續性比方說我每個禮拜都會跟相關的學者跟企業包括跟這些產業的專家跟工會來update他們的訊息包括受衝擊的訊息來做動態評估滾動式動態評估的掌握我每個禮拜都必須做這件事情我們的分數也是每個禮拜都要把地方上面產業受衝擊的狀況\n\n7\n00:02:21,505 --> 00:02:47,318\n都要匯報到部裡面都要匯報給我看我每個禮拜都要掌握這些事情那這個我還是要叮嚀就是說這個部分我認為未來會更嚴重我希望勞動部能夠確實掌握這樣的一個狀況那另外這些進入減班休息的企業有多少實質申請實際申請到我們僱傭安定基金的補貼金額是多少你說減班休息的企業嗎目前\n\n8\n00:02:51,906 --> 00:03:14,758\n好目前減班休息是要滿30天才能夠申請所以雇用安定措施的七成是從8月1號開始所以我們相關的數字等一下我們再回覆給委員好你等一下再給我啦因為時間有限我還是我會問這個我是希望你能夠確實掌握數據不要說等我們再問你們一問三不知好不好那另外\n\n9\n00:03:15,638 --> 00:03:38,966\n在這些受檢班休息的影響了3934人裡面有多少勞工參加充電再出發訓練的計畫有沒有比較少比較少因為他有準備要做因為他參與充電再出發他有些時候他需要時間包括地點上面要吻合所以這也是為什麼我們現在認為對於勞工的經濟生活的支持我們現在會以\n\n10\n00:03:41,186 --> 00:04:03,111\n這個公安訂措施為主所以這也是為什麼我們把五成拉高到七成的原因所以以公安訂措施為主以充電再出發或我們在講的再充電為輔現在就是說這些是這個停班減班的問題那因為我也看到就是說有可能企業當他關門了我們就沒有聯繫了\n\n11\n00:04:04,312 --> 00:04:16,311\n現在這個問題我突然就是注意到這個問題我們現在目前應該這個部分沒有去做追蹤跟協助有沒有如果就把他企業倒閉了他的員工怎麼辦\n\n12\n00:04:17,997 --> 00:04:38,286\n我們都會去做追蹤甚至我們是主動聯繫然後呢有沒有去做剛剛我講的就是訓練再出發我們會入場做輔導的我希望你們能因為我這樣講就是我們現在應該勞動部要優先來保障我們本國的勞工在這種情況下勞動部有沒有討論過暫緩產業移工的輸入\n\n13\n00:04:42,488 --> 00:04:55,640\n有沒有討論過這個問題跟委員說明的確現在我們在產業上面我們會看到有部分的產業他是會有這個勞工就會衝擊的這樣子的風險可是也還是會有蠻多產業他處於缺工狀態\n\n14\n00:04:56,721 --> 00:05:23,427\n所以我們已經看到現在產業缺工狀況他會有不太一樣的情況我只是提醒你對不太均勻的狀況當然我們現在產業缺工狀況還是有但是我們更要保護我們本國的勞工啦我的論點在這裡還是希望說不能說一昧的就只是我們一直讓這個外國的勞工進來移工進來讓那我們本土的勞工沒有照顧到這個部分部長一定要多注意\n\n15\n00:05:23,867 --> 00:05:39,415\n勞動部所有的政策有也包括跨國勞動力的政策都會以保障本國的就業權利為優先所以如果我們現在貿然的但我們現在貿然的把移工進入都停下來這對缺工產業的影響會很大好那\n\n16\n00:05:41,592 --> 00:06:05,566\n這個我們除了這個保障最低工資之外還有沒有其他協助都沒有了嗎目前是沒有7成你剛剛講7成嘛7成不是最低工資是企業一定要付給勞工的那我們補貼的是針對他原本的薪資跟他減班休息後的薪資這會有個薪資差額這薪資差額的7成是由我們來補貼\n\n17\n00:06:06,687 --> 00:06:32,520\n剩下來的三成他也可以申請充電再出發現在是可以併領的那我再問下一個問題就是說這個救安基金濫用的問題就是因為許民村跟謝宜龍勞動部都有做精簡的檢討報告但是呢過去的可能發生的弊案你們不能視而不見那羅景任團隊拿到勞動部的案子原本開口契約寫得清清楚楚\n\n18\n00:06:33,340 --> 00:06:43,105\n羅景任應該交付35支影片兩場公關活動還有廣播拖播網路拖播結果十記只交了一支影片一場記者會卻要核銷1069萬那這件事呢我們審計部也在報告裡面直接點名了難以驗核履約的結果\n\n19\n00:06:52,782 --> 00:07:11,981\n那昨天院長也公開在院會公開講要徹查羅景任的案子那既然院長都已經下令了我就要請問部長勞動部你們目前的作為會是什麼好我先跟委員說明媒體現在寫到的39次他並不是39支影片的意思\n\n20\n00:07:13,283 --> 00:07:34,217\n對不起35市我說錯35市它並不是35支影片的意思市是一個計價的單位它不是一市就是一支影片並不是這個意思所以這部分有點誤會但第二可是我們確實在去年底救安基金的這個大家關注以後那我們也對相關的支用都做了檢討\n\n21\n00:07:35,478 --> 00:07:57,712\n我們的確認為在救安基金在執行面那個開口契約在執行面上面我自己認為是可以有更好的做法的所以也因為有更好的做法所以我們在去年底就把114年的沒宣的開口契約停下來檢討了接下來我們也會依照審計部給我們的指示來進行檢討有多少在案子裡你們勞動部列管\n\n22\n00:08:01,934 --> 00:08:06,080\n就是在之前你來之前然後你停下的這些案子有多少在列管\n\n23\n00:08:07,659 --> 00:08:37,114\n停下來就停下來到目前這個開口契約還沒有申請的還有嗎我跟委員說明這個開口契約的標案停下來之後到現在都還是停的我們都還在檢討中這個案子我認為當然媒體這樣寫我不一定是最對的我也希望說這個案子發生了我認為我們部裡面的態度還是要有就是說驗收是誰簽名誰放行責任人員要不要要把他交代清楚希望把這個案子\n\n24\n00:08:38,284 --> 00:09:05,345\n給外界一個完整的說明可以嗎跟文說明我想對於救安基金的改革我們在1月發布以後現在都在落實執行中這個部分我問過你很多次我也相信你會去做這件事情剛剛我講的事情就希望部長做到好不好因為我還有兩個問題因為時間不太夠就是說去年12月31日立法院通過三讀修正的就業服務法在1月20號總統也公布實施了\n\n25\n00:09:05,885 --> 00:09:24,346\n那立法的過程裡行政機關有權表達意見提出修正甚至有說立委支持反對但一旦國會完成三讀的時候就是人民透過代議的制度的最終決定那我看到你們的報告裡面你們在法律通過之後還繼續用會衝擊有隱憂的理由\n\n26\n00:09:26,048 --> 00:09:39,627\n去質疑甚至阻礙這個政策的落實我要講的就是說既然這個法案已經通過了我們當然要把衝擊做到最小這是我們的責任是部裡面的責任是對不對但碰到什麼問題我們也很願意跟你來協助來處理這樣可以嗎好\n\n27\n00:09:41,750 --> 00:10:07,730\n我們在立法去年底通過後從1月開始總統1月20號公布之後我們就馬上著手相關的配套包括增加來源國的供引進的數量也包括這個輕重分流重症優先甚至我們也編列了經費跟預算就是希望減少衝擊所以我們並沒有代付我們責任勞動部就好好做事情把事情衝擊做到最佳如果真的碰到\n\n28\n00:10:08,530 --> 00:10:33,459\n什麼問題需要立法院這邊來協助我們當然也會願意一起來解決我們的同仁日以繼夜在準備這個這個修法上路以後的希望降低衝擊的這件事情我認為我們同仁真的很辛苦在準備這些工作上面最後一個問題就是勞基法第54條去年7月31日修正公布公布了那允許勞僱雙方協商後延後這個強制退休年齡\n\n29\n00:10:34,239 --> 00:11:01,526\n以鼓勵中高年齡勞工繼續留在職場那現在已經過了一年多了我請問部長全國各企業執行的情況如何企業的比例如何那延後退休的勞工數有多少現在這個部分的話我們還沒有正式的統計我們會再進一步那你你多久可以給我資料我們再回去的話再整理一下看能不能有資料給多久多久一個月內好嗎\n\n30\n00:11:03,707 --> 00:11:13,474\n15天好不好是因為這已經放那麼久了好謝謝部長好謝謝蔡政委員的發言謝謝洪部長的答詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10592\t17135\t主席好請部長我看你要不要喝水不用了請後部長\n20882\t36375\t邱委員長部長好還是銜接剛剛我們王一鳴委員提到的因為美國對等關稅我們20加N的因素我們看到這個最新的統計減班休息的人數從4月1號到8月18號短短4個月從1989人暴增到3934人幾乎翻倍\n45883\t53069\t而且有91%集中在製造業那減班休息的公司或工廠也從123家增加到191家成長55%其中因為美國關稅政策衝擊的高達73家2388人\n63317\t85220\t那顯示這波關稅的衝擊是結構性的產業衝擊而且只是剛開始我要問的是照這樣的趨勢下去勞動部有沒有做過評估剛剛我剛剛有聽到說你們嚴正以待 全力以赴那什麼時候會達到高峰還是只能被動的等企業一間一間的來報才會知道\n86270\t109721\t第一個跟委員說明農部這幾個月來一直以來我們都做很多評估包括持續的跟工會產業還有相關的學者都在保持大家動態性的這個掌握跟這個彼此之間的互相的提醒所以我們的確我們也有我們有進行相關的評估有沒有一個數值\n113251\t139324\t我們部裡面的評估比較不是一份報告或一個數字我們部裡面的是持續性比方說我每個禮拜都會跟相關的學者跟企業包括跟這些產業的專家跟工會來update他們的訊息包括受衝擊的訊息來做動態評估滾動式動態評估的掌握我每個禮拜都必須做這件事情我們的分數也是每個禮拜都要把地方上面產業受衝擊的狀況\n141505\t167318\t都要匯報到部裡面都要匯報給我看我每個禮拜都要掌握這些事情那這個我還是要叮嚀就是說這個部分我認為未來會更嚴重我希望勞動部能夠確實掌握這樣的一個狀況那另外這些進入減班休息的企業有多少實質申請實際申請到我們僱傭安定基金的補貼金額是多少你說減班休息的企業嗎目前\n171906\t194758\t好目前減班休息是要滿30天才能夠申請所以雇用安定措施的七成是從8月1號開始所以我們相關的數字等一下我們再回覆給委員好你等一下再給我啦因為時間有限我還是我會問這個我是希望你能夠確實掌握數據不要說等我們再問你們一問三不知好不好那另外\n195638\t218966\t在這些受檢班休息的 影響了3934人裡面有多少勞工參加充電再出發訓練的計畫 有沒有比較少比較少 因為他有準備要做因為他參與充電再出發他有些時候他需要時間包括地點上面要吻合所以這也是為什麼我們現在認為對於勞工的經濟生活的支持我們現在會以\n221186\t243111\t這個公安訂措施為主所以這也是為什麼我們把五成拉高到七成的原因所以以公安訂措施為主以充電再出發或我們在講的再充電為輔現在就是說這些是這個停班減班的問題那因為我也看到就是說有可能企業當他關門了我們就沒有聯繫了\n244312\t256311\t現在這個問題我突然就是注意到這個問題我們現在目前應該這個部分沒有去做追蹤跟協助有沒有如果就把他企業倒閉了他的員工怎麼辦\n257997\t278286\t我們都會去做追蹤甚至我們是主動聯繫然後呢有沒有去做剛剛我講的就是訓練再出發我們會入場做輔導的我希望你們能因為我這樣講就是我們現在應該勞動部要優先來保障我們本國的勞工在這種情況下勞動部有沒有討論過暫緩產業移工的輸入\n282488\t295640\t有沒有討論過這個問題跟委員說明的確現在我們在產業上面我們會看到有部分的產業他是會有這個勞工就會衝擊的這樣子的風險可是也還是會有蠻多產業他處於缺工狀態\n296721\t323427\t所以我們已經看到現在產業缺工狀況他會有不太一樣的情況我只是提醒你對不太均勻的狀況當然我們現在產業缺工狀況還是有但是我們更要保護我們本國的勞工啦我的論點在這裡還是希望說不能說一昧的就只是我們一直讓這個外國的勞工進來移工進來讓那我們本土的勞工沒有照顧到這個部分部長一定要多注意\n323867\t339415\t勞動部所有的政策有也包括跨國勞動力的政策都會以保障本國的就業權利為優先所以如果我們現在貿然的但我們現在貿然的把移工進入都停下來這對缺工產業的影響會很大好那\n341592\t365566\t這個我們除了這個保障最低工資之外還有沒有其他協助都沒有了嗎 目前是沒有7成 你剛剛講7成嘛7成不是最低工資是企業一定要付給勞工的那我們補貼的是針對他原本的薪資跟他減班休息後的薪資 這會有個薪資差額這薪資差額的7成是由我們來補貼\n366687\t392520\t剩下來的三成他也可以申請充電再出發現在是可以併領的那我再問下一個問題就是說這個救安基金濫用的問題就是因為許民村跟謝宜龍勞動部都有做精簡的檢討報告但是呢過去的可能發生的弊案你們不能視而不見那羅景任團隊拿到勞動部的案子原本開口契約寫得清清楚楚\n393340\t403105\t羅景任應該交付35支影片兩場公關活動還有廣播拖播網路拖播結果十記只交了一支影片一場記者會卻要核銷1069萬那這件事呢我們審計部也在報告裡面直接點名了難以驗核履約的結果\n412782\t431981\t那昨天院長也公開在院會公開講要徹查羅景任的案子那既然院長都已經下令了我就要請問部長勞動部你們目前的作為會是什麼好 我先跟委員說明媒體現在寫到的39次他並不是39支影片的意思\n433283\t454217\t對不起 35市 我說錯35市 它並不是35支影片的意思市是一個計價的單位它不是一市就是一支影片 並不是這個意思所以這部分有點誤會但第二 可是我們確實在去年底救安基金的這個大家關注以後那我們也對相關的支用都做了檢討\n455478\t477712\t我們的確認為在救安基金在執行面那個開口契約在執行面上面我自己認為是可以有更好的做法的所以也因為有更好的做法所以我們在去年底就把114年的沒宣的開口契約停下來檢討了接下來我們也會依照審計部給我們的指示來進行檢討有多少在案子裡你們勞動部列管\n481934\t486080\t就是在之前你來之前然後你停下的這些案子有多少在列管\n487659\t517114\t停下來就停下來 到目前這個開口契約 還沒有申請的還有嗎我跟委員說明 這個開口契約的標案停下來之後到現在都還是停的我們都還在檢討中 這個案子我認為當然媒體這樣寫我不一定是最對的我也希望說這個案子發生了我認為我們部裡面的態度還是要有就是說驗收是誰簽名誰放行責任人員要不要要把他交代清楚希望把這個案子\n518284\t545345\t給外界一個完整的說明可以嗎跟文說明我想對於救安基金的改革我們在1月發布以後現在都在落實執行中這個部分我問過你很多次我也相信你會去做這件事情剛剛我講的事情就希望部長做到好不好因為我還有兩個問題因為時間不太夠就是說去年12月31日立法院通過三讀修正的就業服務法在1月20號總統也公布實施了\n545885\t564346\t那立法的過程裡行政機關有權表達意見提出修正甚至有說立委支持反對但一旦國會完成三讀的時候就是人民透過代議的制度的最終決定那我看到你們的報告裡面你們在法律通過之後還繼續用會衝擊有隱憂的理由\n566048\t579627\t去質疑甚至阻礙這個政策的落實我要講的就是說既然這個法案已經通過了我們當然要把衝擊做到最小這是我們的責任是部裡面的責任是對不對但碰到什麼問題我們也很願意跟你來協助來處理這樣可以嗎好\n581750\t607730\t我們在立法去年底通過後從1月開始總統1月20號公布之後我們就馬上著手相關的配套包括增加來源國的供引進的數量也包括這個輕重分流重症優先甚至我們也編列了經費跟預算就是希望減少衝擊所以我們並沒有代付我們責任勞動部就好好做事情把事情衝擊做到最佳如果真的碰到\n608530\t633459\t什麼問題需要立法院這邊來協助我們當然也會願意一起來解決我們的同仁日以繼夜在準備這個這個修法上路以後的希望降低衝擊的這件事情我認為我們同仁真的很辛苦在準備這些工作上面最後一個問題就是勞基法第54條去年7月31日修正公布公布了那允許勞僱雙方協商後延後這個強制退休年齡\n634239\t661526\t以鼓勵中高年齡勞工繼續留在職場那現在已經過了一年多了我請問部長全國各企業執行的情況如何企業的比例如何那延後退休的勞工數有多少現在這個部分的話我們還沒有正式的統計我們會再進一步那你你多久可以給我資料我們再回去的話再整理一下看能不能有資料給多久多久一個月內好嗎\n663707\t673474\t15天 好不好是因為這已經放那麼久了好 謝謝部長好 謝謝蔡政委員的發言謝謝洪部長的答詢\n","txt":"主席好請部長我看你要不要喝水不用了請後部長\n邱委員長部長好還是銜接剛剛我們王一鳴委員提到的因為美國對等關稅我們20加N的因素我們看到這個最新的統計減班休息的人數從4月1號到8月18號短短4個月從1989人暴增到3934人幾乎翻倍\n而且有91%集中在製造業那減班休息的公司或工廠也從123家增加到191家成長55%其中因為美國關稅政策衝擊的高達73家2388人\n那顯示這波關稅的衝擊是結構性的產業衝擊而且只是剛開始我要問的是照這樣的趨勢下去勞動部有沒有做過評估剛剛我剛剛有聽到說你們嚴正以待 全力以赴那什麼時候會達到高峰還是只能被動的等企業一間一間的來報才會知道\n第一個跟委員說明農部這幾個月來一直以來我們都做很多評估包括持續的跟工會產業還有相關的學者都在保持大家動態性的這個掌握跟這個彼此之間的互相的提醒所以我們的確我們也有我們有進行相關的評估有沒有一個數值\n我們部裡面的評估比較不是一份報告或一個數字我們部裡面的是持續性比方說我每個禮拜都會跟相關的學者跟企業包括跟這些產業的專家跟工會來update他們的訊息包括受衝擊的訊息來做動態評估滾動式動態評估的掌握我每個禮拜都必須做這件事情我們的分數也是每個禮拜都要把地方上面產業受衝擊的狀況\n都要匯報到部裡面都要匯報給我看我每個禮拜都要掌握這些事情那這個我還是要叮嚀就是說這個部分我認為未來會更嚴重我希望勞動部能夠確實掌握這樣的一個狀況那另外這些進入減班休息的企業有多少實質申請實際申請到我們僱傭安定基金的補貼金額是多少你說減班休息的企業嗎目前\n好目前減班休息是要滿30天才能夠申請所以雇用安定措施的七成是從8月1號開始所以我們相關的數字等一下我們再回覆給委員好你等一下再給我啦因為時間有限我還是我會問這個我是希望你能夠確實掌握數據不要說等我們再問你們一問三不知好不好那另外\n在這些受檢班休息的 影響了3934人裡面有多少勞工參加充電再出發訓練的計畫 有沒有比較少比較少 因為他有準備要做因為他參與充電再出發他有些時候他需要時間包括地點上面要吻合所以這也是為什麼我們現在認為對於勞工的經濟生活的支持我們現在會以\n這個公安訂措施為主所以這也是為什麼我們把五成拉高到七成的原因所以以公安訂措施為主以充電再出發或我們在講的再充電為輔現在就是說這些是這個停班減班的問題那因為我也看到就是說有可能企業當他關門了我們就沒有聯繫了\n現在這個問題我突然就是注意到這個問題我們現在目前應該這個部分沒有去做追蹤跟協助有沒有如果就把他企業倒閉了他的員工怎麼辦\n我們都會去做追蹤甚至我們是主動聯繫然後呢有沒有去做剛剛我講的就是訓練再出發我們會入場做輔導的我希望你們能因為我這樣講就是我們現在應該勞動部要優先來保障我們本國的勞工在這種情況下勞動部有沒有討論過暫緩產業移工的輸入\n有沒有討論過這個問題跟委員說明的確現在我們在產業上面我們會看到有部分的產業他是會有這個勞工就會衝擊的這樣子的風險可是也還是會有蠻多產業他處於缺工狀態\n所以我們已經看到現在產業缺工狀況他會有不太一樣的情況我只是提醒你對不太均勻的狀況當然我們現在產業缺工狀況還是有但是我們更要保護我們本國的勞工啦我的論點在這裡還是希望說不能說一昧的就只是我們一直讓這個外國的勞工進來移工進來讓那我們本土的勞工沒有照顧到這個部分部長一定要多注意\n勞動部所有的政策有也包括跨國勞動力的政策都會以保障本國的就業權利為優先所以如果我們現在貿然的但我們現在貿然的把移工進入都停下來這對缺工產業的影響會很大好那\n這個我們除了這個保障最低工資之外還有沒有其他協助都沒有了嗎 目前是沒有7成 你剛剛講7成嘛7成不是最低工資是企業一定要付給勞工的那我們補貼的是針對他原本的薪資跟他減班休息後的薪資 這會有個薪資差額這薪資差額的7成是由我們來補貼\n剩下來的三成他也可以申請充電再出發現在是可以併領的那我再問下一個問題就是說這個救安基金濫用的問題就是因為許民村跟謝宜龍勞動部都有做精簡的檢討報告但是呢過去的可能發生的弊案你們不能視而不見那羅景任團隊拿到勞動部的案子原本開口契約寫得清清楚楚\n羅景任應該交付35支影片兩場公關活動還有廣播拖播網路拖播結果十記只交了一支影片一場記者會卻要核銷1069萬那這件事呢我們審計部也在報告裡面直接點名了難以驗核履約的結果\n那昨天院長也公開在院會公開講要徹查羅景任的案子那既然院長都已經下令了我就要請問部長勞動部你們目前的作為會是什麼好 我先跟委員說明媒體現在寫到的39次他並不是39支影片的意思\n對不起 35市 我說錯35市 它並不是35支影片的意思市是一個計價的單位它不是一市就是一支影片 並不是這個意思所以這部分有點誤會但第二 可是我們確實在去年底救安基金的這個大家關注以後那我們也對相關的支用都做了檢討\n我們的確認為在救安基金在執行面那個開口契約在執行面上面我自己認為是可以有更好的做法的所以也因為有更好的做法所以我們在去年底就把114年的沒宣的開口契約停下來檢討了接下來我們也會依照審計部給我們的指示來進行檢討有多少在案子裡你們勞動部列管\n就是在之前你來之前然後你停下的這些案子有多少在列管\n停下來就停下來 到目前這個開口契約 還沒有申請的還有嗎我跟委員說明 這個開口契約的標案停下來之後到現在都還是停的我們都還在檢討中 這個案子我認為當然媒體這樣寫我不一定是最對的我也希望說這個案子發生了我認為我們部裡面的態度還是要有就是說驗收是誰簽名誰放行責任人員要不要要把他交代清楚希望把這個案子\n給外界一個完整的說明可以嗎跟文說明我想對於救安基金的改革我們在1月發布以後現在都在落實執行中這個部分我問過你很多次我也相信你會去做這件事情剛剛我講的事情就希望部長做到好不好因為我還有兩個問題因為時間不太夠就是說去年12月31日立法院通過三讀修正的就業服務法在1月20號總統也公布實施了\n那立法的過程裡行政機關有權表達意見提出修正甚至有說立委支持反對但一旦國會完成三讀的時候就是人民透過代議的制度的最終決定那我看到你們的報告裡面你們在法律通過之後還繼續用會衝擊有隱憂的理由\n去質疑甚至阻礙這個政策的落實我要講的就是說既然這個法案已經通過了我們當然要把衝擊做到最小這是我們的責任是部裡面的責任是對不對但碰到什麼問題我們也很願意跟你來協助來處理這樣可以嗎好\n我們在立法去年底通過後從1月開始總統1月20號公布之後我們就馬上著手相關的配套包括增加來源國的供引進的數量也包括這個輕重分流重症優先甚至我們也編列了經費跟預算就是希望減少衝擊所以我們並沒有代付我們責任勞動部就好好做事情把事情衝擊做到最佳如果真的碰到\n什麼問題需要立法院這邊來協助我們當然也會願意一起來解決我們的同仁日以繼夜在準備這個這個修法上路以後的希望降低衝擊的這件事情我認為我們同仁真的很辛苦在準備這些工作上面最後一個問題就是勞基法第54條去年7月31日修正公布公布了那允許勞僱雙方協商後延後這個強制退休年齡\n以鼓勵中高年齡勞工繼續留在職場那現在已經過了一年多了我請問部長全國各企業執行的情況如何企業的比例如何那延後退休的勞工數有多少現在這個部分的話我們還沒有正式的統計我們會再進一步那你你多久可以給我資料我們再回去的話再整理一下看能不能有資料給多久多久一個月內好嗎\n15天 好不好是因為這已經放那麼久了好 謝謝部長好 謝謝蔡政委員的發言謝謝洪部長的答詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.592 --> 00:17.135\n主席好請部長我看你要不要喝水不用了請後部長\n\n00:20.882 --> 00:36.375\n邱委員長部長好還是銜接剛剛我們王一鳴委員提到的因為美國對等關稅我們20加N的因素我們看到這個最新的統計減班休息的人數從4月1號到8月18號短短4個月從1989人暴增到3934人幾乎翻倍\n\n00:45.883 --> 00:53.069\n而且有91%集中在製造業那減班休息的公司或工廠也從123家增加到191家成長55%其中因為美國關稅政策衝擊的高達73家2388人\n\n01:03.317 --> 01:25.220\n那顯示這波關稅的衝擊是結構性的產業衝擊而且只是剛開始我要問的是照這樣的趨勢下去勞動部有沒有做過評估剛剛我剛剛有聽到說你們嚴正以待全力以赴那什麼時候會達到高峰還是只能被動的等企業一間一間的來報才會知道\n\n01:26.270 --> 01:49.721\n第一個跟委員說明農部這幾個月來一直以來我們都做很多評估包括持續的跟工會產業還有相關的學者都在保持大家動態性的這個掌握跟這個彼此之間的互相的提醒所以我們的確我們也有我們有進行相關的評估有沒有一個數值\n\n01:53.251 --> 02:19.324\n我們部裡面的評估比較不是一份報告或一個數字我們部裡面的是持續性比方說我每個禮拜都會跟相關的學者跟企業包括跟這些產業的專家跟工會來update他們的訊息包括受衝擊的訊息來做動態評估滾動式動態評估的掌握我每個禮拜都必須做這件事情我們的分數也是每個禮拜都要把地方上面產業受衝擊的狀況\n\n02:21.505 --> 02:47.318\n都要匯報到部裡面都要匯報給我看我每個禮拜都要掌握這些事情那這個我還是要叮嚀就是說這個部分我認為未來會更嚴重我希望勞動部能夠確實掌握這樣的一個狀況那另外這些進入減班休息的企業有多少實質申請實際申請到我們僱傭安定基金的補貼金額是多少你說減班休息的企業嗎目前\n\n02:51.906 --> 03:14.758\n好目前減班休息是要滿30天才能夠申請所以雇用安定措施的七成是從8月1號開始所以我們相關的數字等一下我們再回覆給委員好你等一下再給我啦因為時間有限我還是我會問這個我是希望你能夠確實掌握數據不要說等我們再問你們一問三不知好不好那另外\n\n03:15.638 --> 03:38.966\n在這些受檢班休息的影響了3934人裡面有多少勞工參加充電再出發訓練的計畫有沒有比較少比較少因為他有準備要做因為他參與充電再出發他有些時候他需要時間包括地點上面要吻合所以這也是為什麼我們現在認為對於勞工的經濟生活的支持我們現在會以\n\n03:41.186 --> 04:03.111\n這個公安訂措施為主所以這也是為什麼我們把五成拉高到七成的原因所以以公安訂措施為主以充電再出發或我們在講的再充電為輔現在就是說這些是這個停班減班的問題那因為我也看到就是說有可能企業當他關門了我們就沒有聯繫了\n\n04:04.312 --> 04:16.311\n現在這個問題我突然就是注意到這個問題我們現在目前應該這個部分沒有去做追蹤跟協助有沒有如果就把他企業倒閉了他的員工怎麼辦\n\n04:17.997 --> 04:38.286\n我們都會去做追蹤甚至我們是主動聯繫然後呢有沒有去做剛剛我講的就是訓練再出發我們會入場做輔導的我希望你們能因為我這樣講就是我們現在應該勞動部要優先來保障我們本國的勞工在這種情況下勞動部有沒有討論過暫緩產業移工的輸入\n\n04:42.488 --> 04:55.640\n有沒有討論過這個問題跟委員說明的確現在我們在產業上面我們會看到有部分的產業他是會有這個勞工就會衝擊的這樣子的風險可是也還是會有蠻多產業他處於缺工狀態\n\n04:56.721 --> 05:23.427\n所以我們已經看到現在產業缺工狀況他會有不太一樣的情況我只是提醒你對不太均勻的狀況當然我們現在產業缺工狀況還是有但是我們更要保護我們本國的勞工啦我的論點在這裡還是希望說不能說一昧的就只是我們一直讓這個外國的勞工進來移工進來讓那我們本土的勞工沒有照顧到這個部分部長一定要多注意\n\n05:23.867 --> 05:39.415\n勞動部所有的政策有也包括跨國勞動力的政策都會以保障本國的就業權利為優先所以如果我們現在貿然的但我們現在貿然的把移工進入都停下來這對缺工產業的影響會很大好那\n\n05:41.592 --> 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