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00:00:42,594\n黃委員好部長好部長這個就業服務法第46條那現在開始上路80歲以上長者聘用外籍看護就是免巴氏量表那當然就是說我們也會擔心就是說一些重症的家庭會聘僱這個外籍看護可能會有一些困難\n\n3\n00:00:43,234 --> 00:00:58,755\n那我也看到就是說勞動部這邊有做一些就是對於這個重症的家庭有一些配套措施那我是不是可以再請部長針對這一部分因為有一些民眾會擔心那我是不是可以先請部長簡單做一個說明\n\n4\n00:01:00,694 --> 00:01:15,562\n好那我還是跟大家說明就是其實對於可能這個這個修法是要修法後那可能會對於重症家庭的衝擊我想勞動部跟衛福部我們很積極的做了一些相關的配套那其中包括\n\n5\n00:01:16,122 --> 00:01:38,831\n那我想我們現在規劃了一個這個輕重分流重症我們優先來做審查希望能盡量降低他來申請或能夠聘僱到這個外籍看護的時間的這樣子的機制那第二個呢我們也很積極的來跟來源的母國來協商是不是能夠增加這個外籍看護進引進的數量第三個我們其實也編列了這個\n\n6\n00:01:40,211 --> 00:01:53,284\n相關的預算跟增加的人力就是希望針對未來的量能提高的時候我們能夠足以因應所以你們的人力都已經編足了我們都已經編了那目前有已經上路之後有遇到什麼樣的狀況嗎\n\n7\n00:01:55,130 --> 00:02:11,176\n其實的確因為上路到現在大概兩個多禮拜兩個多禮拜的時間那第一個禮拜的申請的數字比較少那第二個禮拜申請的數字就是第一個禮拜的兩倍可是未來的趨勢會如何還有一點時間來觀察那我想\n\n8\n00:02:11,856 --> 00:02:38,881\n我們部裡面的同仁包括衛福部的同仁我們還是現在是很積極的來盡量的趕快來協助尤其是重症家庭的申請的量所以重症的家庭的確比方說他們在求財的登記上面他只要一天所以他有一些比較相對快速通關的機制這也希望能夠讓重症的家庭能夠更加的方便但是的確我們還是會有擔心就是說如果未來的量增加的時候會不會影響或會不會排息\n\n9\n00:02:40,221 --> 00:03:05,668\n對或者是現在有一些在聘僱外籍看護的長者那他們的確現在也收到可能看護會來反映說是不是有接下來在上路後他們有點會想轉出等等的這個這樣子的資訊我們也陸陸續續從各地有收到這樣的訊息那我想我們還是會做整體的狀況來因應那我們希望尤其是對重症的家庭能夠給最多的支持\n\n10\n00:03:05,848 --> 00:03:17,258\nOK好謝謝部長因為我最主要是讓部長能夠充分的做一個說明因為地方還是會有一些疑慮那謝謝部長接下來我們請那個呂次長來呂次謝謝\n\n11\n00:03:25,669 --> 00:03:45,124\n市長好市長原本我今天是想要問邱部長的就是前幾天我們看到有關公費生就是衛福部原本有一個重點培育的公費醫師的計畫好像今年已經要停辦\n\n12\n00:03:46,445 --> 00:04:15,610\n那目前就是有幾所學校已經跳出來就是說像中山中興然後還有清大他們原本就是因為這個重點特別培育的公費醫師制度計畫然後設一個這個後醫學系那因為這個計畫停止之後變成說他們沒有這個公費生的就沒辦法再繼續招公費生那我記得我在上個月有針對這一部分有\n\n13\n00:04:17,151 --> 00:04:31,698\n質詢這個部長就是說因為地方有一個疑慮就是說如果這個重點科別培育的公費醫師制度計畫如果停止之後可能偏鄉未來可能偏鄉找不到醫生\n\n14\n00:04:32,858 --> 00:04:52,282\n因為我們現在這個重點科別就是針對這個可能婦科兒科集中南韓這樣的一個專科醫師去做培育那我們也看到就是說現在很多偏鄉的這個醫師以彰化為例我一直在彰化這個西南角的幾個鄉鎮這個醫師\n\n15\n00:04:56,303 --> 00:05:20,870\n有的可能是一家診所兩家診所醫師都已經七八十歲了那有的就是靠衛生所的醫師來支撐地方的這樣的一個醫療那我要再次的提醒就是說未來我們這個重點科別培育的公費醫師制度計畫如果取消之後也許在十年後偏鄉可能就找不到醫生因為我們看到現在\n\n16\n00:05:23,371 --> 00:05:49,905\n這個兒科這個兒醫的這個主任都還要值班了台大這個兒醫的主任都還要值班了甚至我們彰化彰基的這個兒科的主任也都要值班了那像這樣子兒科的醫師都快找不到了也招不滿了那未來如果我們政府不再用這個制度來做這樣子公費醫生的這個培育的話\n\n17\n00:05:50,805 --> 00:06:12,682\n我真的很擔心十年後可能偏鄉真的找不到醫師因為醫師他可能要集中在都會區偏鄉誰要去彰化不是那種在高山或深山的地方只是交通比較不方便只是距離都市比較偏遠一點\n\n18\n00:06:14,969 --> 00:06:38,380\n未來三區的話沒有公費醫師沒有這樣子一個公費醫師的話那偏鄉誰要去我是不是可以簡單請這個呂次雖然你不是負責這一部分的那我也還是請你先回應一下非常感謝秀芳委員對於我們這個議題的關心我想確實就是我們當時要辦這個公費這一個培育計畫其實確實有考慮到偏鄉的需求\n\n19\n00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:59,428\n那我跟委員報告我們想我們現在目前都還在廣納各方的這個意見委員剛剛所說的這個確實你剛說集中南韓還有這一個偏向部分這個確實也是我們也是部長非常非常關心的議題那我們會來就相關的一個情形其實跟委員報告我們會來做這個相關的通盤檢討來做審慎的評估是好\n\n20\n00:07:03,713 --> 00:07:18,787\n現在是這三所學校就是我講的因為因應你們這個計畫然後去設的這個這個這個後一系就是因為變成這個我們這個計畫結束之後這三所後一系的這個部分就沒有公費生了嘛\n\n21\n00:07:19,508 --> 00:07:32,154\n那當然就是說衛福部跟教育部這邊有去做一個協調那還是有一些困難點所以我希望就是說衛福部針對這一部分應該要再去好好的做思考我記得在2017年當時邱部長跟這個林靜儀次長他們當時還在當這個委員的時候\n\n22\n00:07:40,138 --> 00:08:00,180\n那也有特别针对这个公费医师有做一些这个呈请那你看经过这样子几年之后你反而要将这个公费医师我们应该是要让这些公费医师这个制度更完善然后这个所有的这个福利或者是所有的资源应该要更好\n\n23\n00:08:01,061 --> 00:08:22,023\n讓這些公費醫師不會因為這個綁了十年之後十年到他就要趕快離開這個地方應該讓他的資源或者是他能夠更多讓他覺得說我在這邊可以好好的發揮那整個薪資也還不錯讓他願意留在這邊我覺得應該要朝著這個方向去\n\n24\n00:08:22,603 --> 00:08:51,502\n去進行而不是說我乾脆就把這個公費醫師把它取消掉我覺得這個未來會是一個很嚴重的一個問題我們這個急重男孩兒科這些都已經快找不到醫生了那你又把這個公費重點培育的這些科別的醫師又把它取消掉我覺得這個是未來一個非常大的一個問題那我也希望這個呂氏今天回去之後應該要再跟部長應該再好好的去做一個討論\n\n25\n00:08:52,582 --> 00:09:07,388\n是不是公費醫師的這個部分重點培育的這個計畫應該還要再繼續好的OK好OK我會把那個委員剛剛您的那個這個意見趕快跟部長報告部長也會做一個最好的一個衡量跟判斷好不好\n\n26\n00:09:07,768 --> 00:09:27,085\n好因為我們都希望這個偏鄉的醫療跟都市的醫療大家都應該是相等的當然當然而不是說偏鄉的醫療會是不一樣的因為當然我們這個也是衛福部一直希望就是說能夠讓這個偏鄉的醫療大家都是\n\n27\n00:09:28,306 --> 00:09:45,495\n都相同的接受的這個醫療資源都是相同的那你如果未來這樣子的話可能偏鄉找不到醫生或者是資源變少那到時候會是一個非常嚴重的一個問題所以我們現在發現問題之後我們也希望衛福部針對這一部分要趕快去做一個\n\n28\n00:09:46,616 --> 00:09:56,703\n我要非常感謝那個委員長期以來對這個議題的關心特別是對彰化還有特別委員說的西南這邊的鄉鎮這個是針對全台灣的部分我也知道西南這邊有比較不足這個部分我想我們會來審慎研議\n\n29\n00:10:04,428 --> 00:10:24,987\n這個不是只有針對彰化彰化其實還不像一些比較原鄉的那個部分原鄉的那個部分可能會更嚴重所以我現在提的就是偏鄉還有我們比較艱困的科別原本你這個計畫就是針對這樣子的一個需求那如果你今天把它取消掉的話我覺得\n\n30\n00:10:25,888 --> 00:10:32,619\n了解我覺得這個真的是要好好去思考一下好不好好謝謝感謝秀芳委員的關心謝謝也謝謝主席謝謝市長謝謝黃委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n911\t1772\t謝謝主席 我們先請紅部長請部長\n21560\t42594\t黃委員好 部長好 部長這個就業服務法第46條那現在開始上路80歲以上長者聘用外籍看護就是免巴氏量表那當然就是說我們也會擔心就是說一些重症的家庭會聘僱這個外籍看護可能會有一些困難\n43234\t58755\t那我也看到就是說勞動部這邊有做一些就是對於這個重症的家庭有一些配套措施那我是不是可以再請部長針對這一部分因為有一些民眾會擔心那我是不是可以先請部長簡單做一個說明\n60694\t75562\t好那我還是跟大家說明就是其實對於可能這個這個修法是要修法後那可能會對於重症家庭的衝擊我想勞動部跟衛福部我們很積極的做了一些相關的配套那其中包括\n76122\t98831\t那我想我們現在規劃了一個這個輕重分流重症我們優先來做審查希望能盡量降低他來申請或能夠聘僱到這個外籍看護的時間的這樣子的機制那第二個呢我們也很積極的來跟來源的母國來協商是不是能夠增加這個外籍看護進引進的數量第三個我們其實也編列了這個\n100211\t113284\t相關的預算跟增加的人力就是希望針對未來的量能提高的時候我們能夠足以因應所以你們的人力都已經編足了我們都已經編了那目前有已經上路之後有遇到什麼樣的狀況嗎\n115130\t131176\t其實的確因為上路到現在大概兩個多禮拜兩個多禮拜的時間那第一個禮拜的申請的數字比較少那第二個禮拜申請的數字就是第一個禮拜的兩倍可是未來的趨勢會如何還有一點時間來觀察那我想\n131856\t158881\t我們部裡面的同仁包括衛福部的同仁我們還是現在是很積極的來盡量的趕快來協助尤其是重症家庭的申請的量所以重症的家庭的確比方說他們在求財的登記上面他只要一天所以他有一些比較相對快速通關的機制這也希望能夠讓重症的家庭能夠更加的方便但是的確我們還是會有擔心就是說如果未來的量增加的時候會不會影響或會不會排息\n160221\t185668\t對 或者是現在有一些在聘僱外籍看護的長者那他們的確現在也收到可能看護會來反映說是不是有接下來在上路後他們有點會想轉出等等的這個這樣子的資訊我們也陸陸續續從各地有收到這樣的訊息那我想我們還是會做整體的狀況來因應那我們希望尤其是對重症的家庭能夠給最多的支持\n185848\t197258\tOK 好 謝謝部長 因為我最主要是讓部長能夠充分的做一個說明因為地方還是會有一些疑慮那謝謝部長 接下來我們請那個呂次長來呂次 謝謝\n205669\t225124\t市長好 市長原本我今天是想要問邱部長的就是前幾天我們看到有關公費生就是衛福部原本有一個重點培育的公費醫師的計畫好像今年已經要停辦\n226445\t255610\t那目前就是有幾所學校已經跳出來就是說像中山中興然後還有清大他們原本就是因為這個重點特別培育的公費醫師制度計畫然後設一個這個後醫學系那因為這個計畫停止之後變成說他們沒有這個公費生的就沒辦法再繼續招公費生那我記得我在上個月有針對這一部分有\n257151\t271698\t質詢這個部長就是說因為地方有一個疑慮就是說如果這個重點科別培育的公費醫師制度計畫如果停止之後可能偏鄉未來可能偏鄉找不到醫生\n272858\t292282\t因為我們現在這個重點科別就是針對這個可能婦科兒科集中南韓這樣的一個專科醫師去做培育那我們也看到就是說現在很多偏鄉的這個醫師以彰化為例我一直在彰化這個西南角的幾個鄉鎮這個醫師\n296303\t320870\t有的可能是一家診所兩家診所醫師都已經七八十歲了那有的就是靠衛生所的醫師來支撐地方的這樣的一個醫療那我要再次的提醒就是說未來我們這個重點科別培育的公費醫師制度計畫如果取消之後也許在十年後偏鄉可能就找不到醫生因為我們看到現在\n323371\t349905\t這個兒科這個兒醫的這個主任都還要值班了台大這個兒醫的主任都還要值班了甚至我們彰化彰基的這個兒科的主任也都要值班了那像這樣子兒科的醫師都快找不到了也招不滿了那未來如果我們政府不再用這個制度來做這樣子公費醫生的這個培育的話\n350805\t372682\t我真的很擔心十年後可能偏鄉真的找不到醫師因為醫師他可能要集中在都會區偏鄉誰要去彰化不是那種在高山或深山的地方只是交通比較不方便只是距離都市比較偏遠一點\n374969\t398380\t未來三區的話沒有公費醫師沒有這樣子一個公費醫師的話那偏鄉誰要去我是不是可以簡單請這個呂次雖然你不是負責這一部分的那我也還是請你先回應一下非常感謝秀芳委員對於我們這個議題的關心我想確實就是我們當時要辦這個公費這一個培育計畫其實確實有考慮到偏鄉的需求\n398900\t419428\t那我跟委員報告我們想我們現在目前都還在廣納各方的這個意見委員剛剛所說的這個確實你剛說集中南韓還有這一個偏向部分這個確實也是我們也是部長非常非常關心的議題那我們會來就相關的一個情形其實跟委員報告我們會來做這個相關的通盤檢討來做審慎的評估是好\n423713\t438787\t現在是這三所學校就是我講的因為因應你們這個計畫然後去設的這個這個這個後一系就是因為變成這個我們這個計畫結束之後這三所後一系的這個部分就沒有公費生了嘛\n439508\t452154\t那當然就是說衛福部跟教育部這邊有去做一個協調那還是有一些困難點所以我希望就是說衛福部針對這一部分應該要再去好好的做思考我記得在2017年當時邱部長跟這個林靜儀次長他們當時還在當這個委員的時候\n460138\t480180\t那也有特别针对这个公费医师有做一些这个呈请那你看经过这样子几年之后你反而要将这个公费医师我们应该是要让这些公费医师这个制度更完善然后这个所有的这个福利或者是所有的资源应该要更好\n481061\t502023\t讓這些公費醫師不會因為這個綁了十年之後十年到他就要趕快離開這個地方應該讓他的資源或者是他能夠更多讓他覺得說我在這邊可以好好的發揮那整個薪資也還不錯讓他願意留在這邊我覺得應該要朝著這個方向去\n502603\t531502\t去進行而不是說我乾脆就把這個公費醫師把它取消掉我覺得這個未來會是一個很嚴重的一個問題我們這個急重男孩兒科這些都已經快找不到醫生了那你又把這個公費重點培育的這些科別的醫師又把它取消掉我覺得這個是未來一個非常大的一個問題那我也希望這個呂氏今天回去之後應該要再跟部長應該再好好的去做一個討論\n532582\t547388\t是不是公費醫師的這個部分重點培育的這個計畫應該還要再繼續好的OK好OK我會把那個委員剛剛您的那個這個意見趕快跟部長報告部長也會做一個最好的一個衡量跟判斷好不好\n547768\t567085\t好因為我們都希望這個偏鄉的醫療跟都市的醫療大家都應該是相等的當然當然而不是說偏鄉的醫療會是不一樣的因為當然我們這個也是衛福部一直希望就是說能夠讓這個偏鄉的醫療大家都是\n568306\t585495\t都相同的接受的這個醫療資源都是相同的那你如果未來這樣子的話可能偏鄉找不到醫生或者是資源變少那到時候會是一個非常嚴重的一個問題所以我們現在發現問題之後我們也希望衛福部針對這一部分要趕快去做一個\n586616\t596703\t我要非常感謝那個委員長期以來對這個議題的關心特別是對彰化還有特別委員說的西南這邊的鄉鎮這個是針對全台灣的部分我也知道西南這邊有比較不足這個部分我想我們會來審慎研議\n604428\t624987\t這個不是只有針對彰化彰化其實還不像一些比較原鄉的那個部分原鄉的那個部分可能會更嚴重所以我現在提的就是偏鄉還有我們比較艱困的科別原本你這個計畫就是針對這樣子的一個需求那如果你今天把它取消掉的話我覺得\n625888\t632619\t了解 我覺得這個真的是要好好去思考一下 好不好好 謝謝 感謝秀芳委員的關心謝謝 也謝謝主席謝謝市長 謝謝黃委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們先請紅部長請部長\n黃委員好 部長好 部長這個就業服務法第46條那現在開始上路80歲以上長者聘用外籍看護就是免巴氏量表那當然就是說我們也會擔心就是說一些重症的家庭會聘僱這個外籍看護可能會有一些困難\n那我也看到就是說勞動部這邊有做一些就是對於這個重症的家庭有一些配套措施那我是不是可以再請部長針對這一部分因為有一些民眾會擔心那我是不是可以先請部長簡單做一個說明\n好那我還是跟大家說明就是其實對於可能這個這個修法是要修法後那可能會對於重症家庭的衝擊我想勞動部跟衛福部我們很積極的做了一些相關的配套那其中包括\n那我想我們現在規劃了一個這個輕重分流重症我們優先來做審查希望能盡量降低他來申請或能夠聘僱到這個外籍看護的時間的這樣子的機制那第二個呢我們也很積極的來跟來源的母國來協商是不是能夠增加這個外籍看護進引進的數量第三個我們其實也編列了這個\n相關的預算跟增加的人力就是希望針對未來的量能提高的時候我們能夠足以因應所以你們的人力都已經編足了我們都已經編了那目前有已經上路之後有遇到什麼樣的狀況嗎\n其實的確因為上路到現在大概兩個多禮拜兩個多禮拜的時間那第一個禮拜的申請的數字比較少那第二個禮拜申請的數字就是第一個禮拜的兩倍可是未來的趨勢會如何還有一點時間來觀察那我想\n我們部裡面的同仁包括衛福部的同仁我們還是現在是很積極的來盡量的趕快來協助尤其是重症家庭的申請的量所以重症的家庭的確比方說他們在求財的登記上面他只要一天所以他有一些比較相對快速通關的機制這也希望能夠讓重症的家庭能夠更加的方便但是的確我們還是會有擔心就是說如果未來的量增加的時候會不會影響或會不會排息\n對 或者是現在有一些在聘僱外籍看護的長者那他們的確現在也收到可能看護會來反映說是不是有接下來在上路後他們有點會想轉出等等的這個這樣子的資訊我們也陸陸續續從各地有收到這樣的訊息那我想我們還是會做整體的狀況來因應那我們希望尤其是對重症的家庭能夠給最多的支持\nOK 好 謝謝部長 因為我最主要是讓部長能夠充分的做一個說明因為地方還是會有一些疑慮那謝謝部長 接下來我們請那個呂次長來呂次 謝謝\n市長好 市長原本我今天是想要問邱部長的就是前幾天我們看到有關公費生就是衛福部原本有一個重點培育的公費醫師的計畫好像今年已經要停辦\n那目前就是有幾所學校已經跳出來就是說像中山中興然後還有清大他們原本就是因為這個重點特別培育的公費醫師制度計畫然後設一個這個後醫學系那因為這個計畫停止之後變成說他們沒有這個公費生的就沒辦法再繼續招公費生那我記得我在上個月有針對這一部分有\n質詢這個部長就是說因為地方有一個疑慮就是說如果這個重點科別培育的公費醫師制度計畫如果停止之後可能偏鄉未來可能偏鄉找不到醫生\n因為我們現在這個重點科別就是針對這個可能婦科兒科集中南韓這樣的一個專科醫師去做培育那我們也看到就是說現在很多偏鄉的這個醫師以彰化為例我一直在彰化這個西南角的幾個鄉鎮這個醫師\n有的可能是一家診所兩家診所醫師都已經七八十歲了那有的就是靠衛生所的醫師來支撐地方的這樣的一個醫療那我要再次的提醒就是說未來我們這個重點科別培育的公費醫師制度計畫如果取消之後也許在十年後偏鄉可能就找不到醫生因為我們看到現在\n這個兒科這個兒醫的這個主任都還要值班了台大這個兒醫的主任都還要值班了甚至我們彰化彰基的這個兒科的主任也都要值班了那像這樣子兒科的醫師都快找不到了也招不滿了那未來如果我們政府不再用這個制度來做這樣子公費醫生的這個培育的話\n我真的很擔心十年後可能偏鄉真的找不到醫師因為醫師他可能要集中在都會區偏鄉誰要去彰化不是那種在高山或深山的地方只是交通比較不方便只是距離都市比較偏遠一點\n未來三區的話沒有公費醫師沒有這樣子一個公費醫師的話那偏鄉誰要去我是不是可以簡單請這個呂次雖然你不是負責這一部分的那我也還是請你先回應一下非常感謝秀芳委員對於我們這個議題的關心我想確實就是我們當時要辦這個公費這一個培育計畫其實確實有考慮到偏鄉的需求\n那我跟委員報告我們想我們現在目前都還在廣納各方的這個意見委員剛剛所說的這個確實你剛說集中南韓還有這一個偏向部分這個確實也是我們也是部長非常非常關心的議題那我們會來就相關的一個情形其實跟委員報告我們會來做這個相關的通盤檢討來做審慎的評估是好\n現在是這三所學校就是我講的因為因應你們這個計畫然後去設的這個這個這個後一系就是因為變成這個我們這個計畫結束之後這三所後一系的這個部分就沒有公費生了嘛\n那當然就是說衛福部跟教育部這邊有去做一個協調那還是有一些困難點所以我希望就是說衛福部針對這一部分應該要再去好好的做思考我記得在2017年當時邱部長跟這個林靜儀次長他們當時還在當這個委員的時候\n那也有特别针对这个公费医师有做一些这个呈请那你看经过这样子几年之后你反而要将这个公费医师我们应该是要让这些公费医师这个制度更完善然后这个所有的这个福利或者是所有的资源应该要更好\n讓這些公費醫師不會因為這個綁了十年之後十年到他就要趕快離開這個地方應該讓他的資源或者是他能夠更多讓他覺得說我在這邊可以好好的發揮那整個薪資也還不錯讓他願意留在這邊我覺得應該要朝著這個方向去\n去進行而不是說我乾脆就把這個公費醫師把它取消掉我覺得這個未來會是一個很嚴重的一個問題我們這個急重男孩兒科這些都已經快找不到醫生了那你又把這個公費重點培育的這些科別的醫師又把它取消掉我覺得這個是未來一個非常大的一個問題那我也希望這個呂氏今天回去之後應該要再跟部長應該再好好的去做一個討論\n是不是公費醫師的這個部分重點培育的這個計畫應該還要再繼續好的OK好OK我會把那個委員剛剛您的那個這個意見趕快跟部長報告部長也會做一個最好的一個衡量跟判斷好不好\n好因為我們都希望這個偏鄉的醫療跟都市的醫療大家都應該是相等的當然當然而不是說偏鄉的醫療會是不一樣的因為當然我們這個也是衛福部一直希望就是說能夠讓這個偏鄉的醫療大家都是\n都相同的接受的這個醫療資源都是相同的那你如果未來這樣子的話可能偏鄉找不到醫生或者是資源變少那到時候會是一個非常嚴重的一個問題所以我們現在發現問題之後我們也希望衛福部針對這一部分要趕快去做一個\n我要非常感謝那個委員長期以來對這個議題的關心特別是對彰化還有特別委員說的西南這邊的鄉鎮這個是針對全台灣的部分我也知道西南這邊有比較不足這個部分我想我們會來審慎研議\n這個不是只有針對彰化彰化其實還不像一些比較原鄉的那個部分原鄉的那個部分可能會更嚴重所以我現在提的就是偏鄉還有我們比較艱困的科別原本你這個計畫就是針對這樣子的一個需求那如果你今天把它取消掉的話我覺得\n了解 我覺得這個真的是要好好去思考一下 好不好好 謝謝 感謝秀芳委員的關心謝謝 也謝謝主席謝謝市長 謝謝黃委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.911 --> 00:01.772\n謝謝主席我們先請紅部長請部長\n\n00:21.560 --> 00:42.594\n黃委員好部長好部長這個就業服務法第46條那現在開始上路80歲以上長者聘用外籍看護就是免巴氏量表那當然就是說我們也會擔心就是說一些重症的家庭會聘僱這個外籍看護可能會有一些困難\n\n00:43.234 --> 00:58.755\n那我也看到就是說勞動部這邊有做一些就是對於這個重症的家庭有一些配套措施那我是不是可以再請部長針對這一部分因為有一些民眾會擔心那我是不是可以先請部長簡單做一個說明\n\n01:00.694 --> 01:15.562\n好那我還是跟大家說明就是其實對於可能這個這個修法是要修法後那可能會對於重症家庭的衝擊我想勞動部跟衛福部我們很積極的做了一些相關的配套那其中包括\n\n01:16.122 --> 01:38.831\n那我想我們現在規劃了一個這個輕重分流重症我們優先來做審查希望能盡量降低他來申請或能夠聘僱到這個外籍看護的時間的這樣子的機制那第二個呢我們也很積極的來跟來源的母國來協商是不是能夠增加這個外籍看護進引進的數量第三個我們其實也編列了這個\n\n01:40.211 --> 01:53.284\n相關的預算跟增加的人力就是希望針對未來的量能提高的時候我們能夠足以因應所以你們的人力都已經編足了我們都已經編了那目前有已經上路之後有遇到什麼樣的狀況嗎\n\n01:55.130 --> 02:11.176\n其實的確因為上路到現在大概兩個多禮拜兩個多禮拜的時間那第一個禮拜的申請的數字比較少那第二個禮拜申請的數字就是第一個禮拜的兩倍可是未來的趨勢會如何還有一點時間來觀察那我想\n\n02:11.856 --> 02:38.881\n我們部裡面的同仁包括衛福部的同仁我們還是現在是很積極的來盡量的趕快來協助尤其是重症家庭的申請的量所以重症的家庭的確比方說他們在求財的登記上面他只要一天所以他有一些比較相對快速通關的機制這也希望能夠讓重症的家庭能夠更加的方便但是的確我們還是會有擔心就是說如果未來的量增加的時候會不會影響或會不會排息\n\n02:40.221 --> 03:05.668\n對或者是現在有一些在聘僱外籍看護的長者那他們的確現在也收到可能看護會來反映說是不是有接下來在上路後他們有點會想轉出等等的這個這樣子的資訊我們也陸陸續續從各地有收到這樣的訊息那我想我們還是會做整體的狀況來因應那我們希望尤其是對重症的家庭能夠給最多的支持\n\n03:05.848 --> 03:17.258\nOK好謝謝部長因為我最主要是讓部長能夠充分的做一個說明因為地方還是會有一些疑慮那謝謝部長接下來我們請那個呂次長來呂次謝謝\n\n03:25.669 --> 03:45.124\n市長好市長原本我今天是想要問邱部長的就是前幾天我們看到有關公費生就是衛福部原本有一個重點培育的公費醫師的計畫好像今年已經要停辦\n\n03:46.445 --> 04:15.610\n那目前就是有幾所學校已經跳出來就是說像中山中興然後還有清大他們原本就是因為這個重點特別培育的公費醫師制度計畫然後設一個這個後醫學系那因為這個計畫停止之後變成說他們沒有這個公費生的就沒辦法再繼續招公費生那我記得我在上個月有針對這一部分有\n\n04:17.151 --> 04:31.698\n質詢這個部長就是說因為地方有一個疑慮就是說如果這個重點科別培育的公費醫師制度計畫如果停止之後可能偏鄉未來可能偏鄉找不到醫生\n\n04:32.858 --> 04:52.282\n因為我們現在這個重點科別就是針對這個可能婦科兒科集中南韓這樣的一個專科醫師去做培育那我們也看到就是說現在很多偏鄉的這個醫師以彰化為例我一直在彰化這個西南角的幾個鄉鎮這個醫師\n\n04:56.303 --> 05:20.870\n有的可能是一家診所兩家診所醫師都已經七八十歲了那有的就是靠衛生所的醫師來支撐地方的這樣的一個醫療那我要再次的提醒就是說未來我們這個重點科別培育的公費醫師制度計畫如果取消之後也許在十年後偏鄉可能就找不到醫生因為我們看到現在\n\n05:23.371 --> 05:49.905\n這個兒科這個兒醫的這個主任都還要值班了台大這個兒醫的主任都還要值班了甚至我們彰化彰基的這個兒科的主任也都要值班了那像這樣子兒科的醫師都快找不到了也招不滿了那未來如果我們政府不再用這個制度來做這樣子公費醫生的這個培育的話\n\n05:50.805 --> 06:12.682\n我真的很擔心十年後可能偏鄉真的找不到醫師因為醫師他可能要集中在都會區偏鄉誰要去彰化不是那種在高山或深山的地方只是交通比較不方便只是距離都市比較偏遠一點\n\n06:14.969 --> 06:38.380\n未來三區的話沒有公費醫師沒有這樣子一個公費醫師的話那偏鄉誰要去我是不是可以簡單請這個呂次雖然你不是負責這一部分的那我也還是請你先回應一下非常感謝秀芳委員對於我們這個議題的關心我想確實就是我們當時要辦這個公費這一個培育計畫其實確實有考慮到偏鄉的需求\n\n06:38.900 --> 06:59.428\n那我跟委員報告我們想我們現在目前都還在廣納各方的這個意見委員剛剛所說的這個確實你剛說集中南韓還有這一個偏向部分這個確實也是我們也是部長非常非常關心的議題那我們會來就相關的一個情形其實跟委員報告我們會來做這個相關的通盤檢討來做審慎的評估是好\n\n07:03.713 --> 07:18.787\n現在是這三所學校就是我講的因為因應你們這個計畫然後去設的這個這個這個後一系就是因為變成這個我們這個計畫結束之後這三所後一系的這個部分就沒有公費生了嘛\n\n07:19.508 --> 07:32.154\n那當然就是說衛福部跟教育部這邊有去做一個協調那還是有一些困難點所以我希望就是說衛福部針對這一部分應該要再去好好的做思考我記得在2017年當時邱部長跟這個林靜儀次長他們當時還在當這個委員的時候\n\n07:40.138 --> 08:00.180\n那也有特别针对这个公费医师有做一些这个呈请那你看经过这样子几年之后你反而要将这个公费医师我们应该是要让这些公费医师这个制度更完善然后这个所有的这个福利或者是所有的资源应该要更好\n\n08:01.061 --> 08:22.023\n讓這些公費醫師不會因為這個綁了十年之後十年到他就要趕快離開這個地方應該讓他的資源或者是他能夠更多讓他覺得說我在這邊可以好好的發揮那整個薪資也還不錯讓他願意留在這邊我覺得應該要朝著這個方向去\n\n08:22.603 --> 08:51.502\n去進行而不是說我乾脆就把這個公費醫師把它取消掉我覺得這個未來會是一個很嚴重的一個問題我們這個急重男孩兒科這些都已經快找不到醫生了那你又把這個公費重點培育的這些科別的醫師又把它取消掉我覺得這個是未來一個非常大的一個問題那我也希望這個呂氏今天回去之後應該要再跟部長應該再好好的去做一個討論\n\n08:52.582 --> 09:07.388\n是不是公費醫師的這個部分重點培育的這個計畫應該還要再繼續好的OK好OK我會把那個委員剛剛您的那個這個意見趕快跟部長報告部長也會做一個最好的一個衡量跟判斷好不好\n\n09:07.768 --> 09:27.085\n好因為我們都希望這個偏鄉的醫療跟都市的醫療大家都應該是相等的當然當然而不是說偏鄉的醫療會是不一樣的因為當然我們這個也是衛福部一直希望就是說能夠讓這個偏鄉的醫療大家都是\n\n09:28.306 --> 09:45.495\n都相同的接受的這個醫療資源都是相同的那你如果未來這樣子的話可能偏鄉找不到醫生或者是資源變少那到時候會是一個非常嚴重的一個問題所以我們現在發現問題之後我們也希望衛福部針對這一部分要趕快去做一個\n\n09:46.616 --> 09:56.703\n我要非常感謝那個委員長期以來對這個議題的關心特別是對彰化還有特別委員說的西南這邊的鄉鎮這個是針對全台灣的部分我也知道西南這邊有比較不足這個部分我想我們會來審慎研議\n\n10:04.428 --> 10:24.987\n這個不是只有針對彰化彰化其實還不像一些比較原鄉的那個部分原鄉的那個部分可能會更嚴重所以我現在提的就是偏鄉還有我們比較艱困的科別原本你這個計畫就是針對這樣子的一個需求那如果你今天把它取消掉的話我覺得\n\n10:25.888 --> 10:32.619\n了解我覺得這個真的是要好好去思考一下好不好好謝謝感謝秀芳委員的關心謝謝也謝謝主席謝謝市長謝謝黃委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.911,"end":1.772,"text":"謝謝主席 我們先請紅部長請部長"},{"start":21.56,"end":42.594,"text":"黃委員好 部長好 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