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00:03:06,555\n因為我是過去在台灣省政府20年了然後在中央服務10年然後我又是花蓮人所以颱風沒有錯很多都是從花蓮台東這樣上來我剛擠的這個莫拉克颱風它就不是從花蓮台東過去的就是從就是從這個西部\n\n8\n00:03:08,581 --> 00:03:28,170\n不管怎麼樣都會先經過屏東都是從南而往北基本上是這樣所以這個都是要去評估當然除了這個之外當然這個也回去也請部長轉達給這個水利署\n\n9\n00:03:34,336 --> 00:04:02,456\n這個水利署的部分也是很嚴重所以這次的特別條例裡面也有針對水利設施這些那這個這裡面我一直在在判斷我只能用判斷這個當然也可以讓水利署去了解那個房子民間的房子一直\n\n10\n00:04:04,251 --> 00:04:26,393\n进水那就是排水的问题嘛对不对排水当然有很多种状况然后又是光电的问题所以这个有时候是光电因为排水大家不种田的排水设施就放在那边然后是不是那些光电的那些就\n\n11\n00:04:27,939 --> 00:04:48,046\n剩下的那些器材在深涉的時候是不是就阻塞了這些水溝排水設施都有可能所以在這個要請水利署水利單位\n\n12\n00:04:49,844 --> 00:05:17,268\n包括也可以会同这个农田水利会他们在清理的时候是不是有清理到这些了这个都是因为这个跟能源署有关系啊到时候能源署在核定相关的光电的时候的就要去特别去要求啊特别去要求我们要整体的去而不是自己做自己的不然怎么会\n\n13\n00:05:19,205 --> 00:05:33,401\n這個因為颱風然後後面的豪雨嘛對不對也不是像豪雨那樣啦就是下雨嘛我們就稱豪雨好了就讓這些房子一直一直積水\n\n14\n00:05:35,292 --> 00:06:01,389\n室內一直積水那就是排水設施的問題有水利署的也有那個農業部這個農行水利署這種灌排兩種嘛所以這個部分都是需要共同的透過這樣的一個清理的時候就要去了解到底是什麼原因造成這些這個是我的建議啦好\n\n15\n00:06:03,820 --> 00:06:28,280\n當然我剛提到莫拉克颱風8月8號發生的行政院很快的12天行政院12天就提出了莫拉克颱風的災後重建特別條例12天就送到立法院當然這個不是你主責的但是相關的部會應該要怎麼樣去協調主責的機關應該要提出因為這次太慢了\n\n16\n00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:42,547\n7月6號的颱風當然是颱風加上接下來的豪雨這個國民黨團他一直一直要求一直要求才\n\n17\n00:06:43,317 --> 00:07:10,242\n才完成这个特别条例所以在这样的一个情形之下经济部在整个600亿当然行政业本来没有那么多了500多亿所以后来立法院协商之后通过的是600亿经济部编列了这个187.41亿当然预算书还要审预算案还要审\n\n18\n00:07:11,161 --> 00:07:39,873\n在这样的一个情形之下所以我刚才讲上次审议算了说我们都会去就会去想要去了解这些所以刚提的这些怎么样横向的联系原因怎么样去彻底的去了解这个原因这个是一个除了台风是一个很基本的原因但是造成这样的一个灾害那个原因真的是要去加强\n\n19\n00:07:40,851 --> 00:08:04,168\n那這樣的一個經費是不多當然這個經濟部要做的事情也還真多光這個中小企業你們也提出了這些這個災禍復原的這些措施當然都不足當然有的尤其企業發生這些狀況間接受害的其實還包含勞工\n\n20\n00:08:06,606 --> 00:08:32,398\n這些企業的勞工當然這個災後復健條例裡面沒有包含這個部分了怎麼樣去這個都是需要去解決的問題好這個光電板能源署包括當然這個光電板因為這個為了加速所以也沒有做過期也都不用做環評\n\n21\n00:08:34,488 --> 00:08:58,468\n所以这个部分都是能源署在去继续在进行这个光电的你看这个一个台风造成这么大的一个光电板的一个损害然后造成了这些这些2800公吨15万片\n\n22\n00:09:00,173 --> 00:09:27,011\n這個等於相當於五年五年台灣的廢棄的數量所以這個跟能源政策都有關係都有關係所以這個部分這個能源政策台電經濟部怎麼樣去因為這樣的造成台灣雖然已經走到這個地步該試檢討\n\n23\n00:09:30,592 --> 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光電 還是這個反正是綠電的部分投入了多少經費這個都是人民的納稅錢產生電了之後台電用比較高的這個經費去買這個電 綠電\n620183\t631647\t跟核能的電又有差距這個就是要整體的該是好好的評估而且透過相關的目前的實際的狀況然後長遠的才能夠長遠\n636941\t653281\t才能够长远的为台湾的经济的发展这个是一个我提过很多次了但是真的是要该是好好评估的一个时候好不好是谢谢\n","txt":"好主席有請部長郭部長\n部長好委員好辛苦了這個7月6號7月6號這個中度颱風只是中度而已那台灣歷經這個颱風是每年都有有中度也有強度很強的還有比這個還有\n这个从7月6号到现在真的是够久了那我们看这个我们经济部的报告里面提到这个中度台风也请台电也上来了电线杆倒塌三万五千只以上这个不晓得在过去的记录里面\n這個電線桿倒塌的數量這一次不是不曉得是不是最多的一次台電有瞭解嗎應該是最多的一次好這個莫拉克颱風也是中南部莫拉克也所謂的八八風災也是中渡中渡颱風所以這個\n不曉得有沒有去到底是什麼原因怎麼會倒塌這麼嚴重這個台電有沒有去了解\n報告委員這個這一次的颱風會這麼嚴重主要就是他的這個颱風走向不一樣過去的颱風大概都是由東往西這一次的這個丹納斯颱風是由南到北那一進入到嘉南平原以後那個風就轉進去了因為他太空旷所以轉進去以後因為我們那個電感第一面就全倒那個部長\n因為我是過去在台灣省政府20年了然後在中央服務10年然後我又是花蓮人所以颱風沒有錯很多都是從花蓮台東這樣上來我剛擠的這個莫拉克颱風它就不是從花蓮台東過去的就是從就是從這個西部\n不管怎麼樣都會先經過屏東都是從南而往北基本上是這樣所以這個都是要去評估當然除了這個之外當然這個也回去也請部長轉達給這個水利署\n這個水利署的部分也是很嚴重所以這次的特別條例裡面也有針對水利設施這些那這個這裡面我一直在在判斷我只能用判斷這個當然也可以讓水利署去了解那個房子民間的房子一直\n进水那就是排水的问题嘛对不对排水当然有很多种状况然后又是光电的问题所以这个有时候是光电因为排水大家不种田的排水设施就放在那边然后是不是那些光电的那些就\n剩下的那些器材在深涉的時候是不是就阻塞了這些水溝排水設施都有可能所以在這個要請水利署水利單位\n包括也可以会同这个农田水利会他们在清理的时候是不是有清理到这些了这个都是因为这个跟能源署有关系啊到时候能源署在核定相关的光电的时候的就要去特别去要求啊特别去要求我们要整体的去而不是自己做自己的不然怎么会\n這個因為颱風然後後面的豪雨嘛對不對也不是像豪雨那樣啦就是下雨嘛我們就稱豪雨好了就讓這些房子一直一直積水\n室內一直積水那就是排水設施的問題有水利署的也有那個農業部這個農行水利署這種灌排兩種嘛所以這個部分都是需要共同的透過這樣的一個清理的時候就要去了解到底是什麼原因造成這些這個是我的建議啦好\n當然我剛提到莫拉克颱風8月8號發生的行政院很快的12天行政院12天就提出了莫拉克颱風的災後重建特別條例12天就送到立法院當然這個不是你主責的但是相關的部會應該要怎麼樣去協調主責的機關應該要提出因為這次太慢了\n7月6號的颱風當然是颱風加上接下來的豪雨這個國民黨團他一直一直要求一直要求才\n才完成这个特别条例所以在这样的一个情形之下经济部在整个600亿当然行政业本来没有那么多了500多亿所以后来立法院协商之后通过的是600亿经济部编列了这个187.41亿当然预算书还要审预算案还要审\n在这样的一个情形之下所以我刚才讲上次审议算了说我们都会去就会去想要去了解这些所以刚提的这些怎么样横向的联系原因怎么样去彻底的去了解这个原因这个是一个除了台风是一个很基本的原因但是造成这样的一个灾害那个原因真的是要去加强\n那這樣的一個經費是不多當然這個經濟部要做的事情也還真多光這個中小企業你們也提出了這些這個災禍復原的這些措施當然都不足當然有的尤其企業發生這些狀況間接受害的其實還包含勞工\n這些企業的勞工當然這個災後復健條例裡面沒有包含這個部分了怎麼樣去這個都是需要去解決的問題好這個光電板能源署包括當然這個光電板因為這個為了加速所以也沒有做過期也都不用做環評\n所以这个部分都是能源署在去继续在进行这个光电的你看这个一个台风造成这么大的一个光电板的一个损害然后造成了这些这些2800公吨15万片\n這個等於相當於五年五年台灣的廢棄的數量所以這個跟能源政策都有關係都有關係所以這個部分這個能源政策台電經濟部怎麼樣去因為這樣的造成台灣雖然已經走到這個地步該試檢討\n該是好好檢討的時刻了所以這個部分是一個因為時間的關係這個我也不是這個專業了但是從這個數字數量來看的話我過去我也跟部長提了好幾次我是沒有要跟你要數字了一定要去評估經濟部\n對於風電 光電 還是這個反正是綠電的部分投入了多少經費這個都是人民的納稅錢產生電了之後台電用比較高的這個經費去買這個電 綠電\n跟核能的電又有差距這個就是要整體的該是好好的評估而且透過相關的目前的實際的狀況然後長遠的才能夠長遠\n才能够长远的为台湾的经济的发展这个是一个我提过很多次了但是真的是要该是好好评估的一个时候好不好是谢谢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 --> 00:00.950\n好主席有請部長郭部長\n\n00:35.428 --> 01:02.868\n部長好委員好辛苦了這個7月6號7月6號這個中度颱風只是中度而已那台灣歷經這個颱風是每年都有有中度也有強度很強的還有比這個還有\n\n01:04.482 --> 01:30.095\n这个从7月6号到现在真的是够久了那我们看这个我们经济部的报告里面提到这个中度台风也请台电也上来了电线杆倒塌三万五千只以上这个不晓得在过去的记录里面\n\n01:33.253 --> 01:58.346\n這個電線桿倒塌的數量這一次不是不曉得是不是最多的一次台電有瞭解嗎應該是最多的一次好這個莫拉克颱風也是中南部莫拉克也所謂的八八風災也是中渡中渡颱風所以這個\n\n02:00.796 --> 02:10.588\n不曉得有沒有去到底是什麼原因怎麼會倒塌這麼嚴重這個台電有沒有去了解\n\n02:11.596 --> 02:36.904\n報告委員這個這一次的颱風會這麼嚴重主要就是他的這個颱風走向不一樣過去的颱風大概都是由東往西這一次的這個丹納斯颱風是由南到北那一進入到嘉南平原以後那個風就轉進去了因為他太空旷所以轉進去以後因為我們那個電感第一面就全倒那個部長\n\n02:38.294 --> 03:06.555\n因為我是過去在台灣省政府20年了然後在中央服務10年然後我又是花蓮人所以颱風沒有錯很多都是從花蓮台東這樣上來我剛擠的這個莫拉克颱風它就不是從花蓮台東過去的就是從就是從這個西部\n\n03:08.581 --> 03:28.170\n不管怎麼樣都會先經過屏東都是從南而往北基本上是這樣所以這個都是要去評估當然除了這個之外當然這個也回去也請部長轉達給這個水利署\n\n03:34.336 --> 04:02.456\n這個水利署的部分也是很嚴重所以這次的特別條例裡面也有針對水利設施這些那這個這裡面我一直在在判斷我只能用判斷這個當然也可以讓水利署去了解那個房子民間的房子一直\n\n04:04.251 --> 04:26.393\n进水那就是排水的问题嘛对不对排水当然有很多种状况然后又是光电的问题所以这个有时候是光电因为排水大家不种田的排水设施就放在那边然后是不是那些光电的那些就\n\n04:27.939 --> 04:48.046\n剩下的那些器材在深涉的時候是不是就阻塞了這些水溝排水設施都有可能所以在這個要請水利署水利單位\n\n04:49.844 --> 05:17.268\n包括也可以会同这个农田水利会他们在清理的时候是不是有清理到这些了这个都是因为这个跟能源署有关系啊到时候能源署在核定相关的光电的时候的就要去特别去要求啊特别去要求我们要整体的去而不是自己做自己的不然怎么会\n\n05:19.205 --> 05:33.401\n這個因為颱風然後後面的豪雨嘛對不對也不是像豪雨那樣啦就是下雨嘛我們就稱豪雨好了就讓這些房子一直一直積水\n\n05:35.292 --> 06:01.389\n室內一直積水那就是排水設施的問題有水利署的也有那個農業部這個農行水利署這種灌排兩種嘛所以這個部分都是需要共同的透過這樣的一個清理的時候就要去了解到底是什麼原因造成這些這個是我的建議啦好\n\n06:03.820 --> 06:28.280\n當然我剛提到莫拉克颱風8月8號發生的行政院很快的12天行政院12天就提出了莫拉克颱風的災後重建特別條例12天就送到立法院當然這個不是你主責的但是相關的部會應該要怎麼樣去協調主責的機關應該要提出因為這次太慢了\n\n06:33.040 --> 06:42.547\n7月6號的颱風當然是颱風加上接下來的豪雨這個國民黨團他一直一直要求一直要求才\n\n06:43.317 --> 07:10.242\n才完成这个特别条例所以在这样的一个情形之下经济部在整个600亿当然行政业本来没有那么多了500多亿所以后来立法院协商之后通过的是600亿经济部编列了这个187.41亿当然预算书还要审预算案还要审\n\n07:11.161 --> 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