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00:02:06,718\n因為從2016年談到現在都已經這個快10年了那從蘇院長核定到現在也快7年了其實這個速度要加快要不然當地鄉親都一直覺得說到底簽不簽到底是簽真的簽假的好不好部長應該是簽真的吧我去我跟你一樣我去公聽會嘛\n\n7\n00:02:07,932 --> 00:02:28,469\n我能夠了解所以我們大埔村的鄉民的村民的意願所以我們會努力來達成部長其實去也聽到很多心聲很多人擔憂的是到底簽不簽速度能不能快一點幾乎都是這樣的一個那要簽速度要快一點所以\n\n8\n00:02:29,029 --> 00:02:57,420\n經濟部的部分沒有問題了我們是全力以赴好不好那就請如果你談到市府部分就請經濟部也協助了好不好請市府那邊也加速了那再來我來問一下丹寧堡前村裡面有涉及到環評跟都計的程序嘛那都預計在明年的包括11月12月陸續來完成那這個其實也可以快啦我舉以前國企的例子國企環評可以拖了13年那真的是很沒有效率啦一件事\n\n9\n00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:26,331\n部長企業家出身不管環評過或不過最糟糕的就是拖了13年不敢做決定這是最糟的決定那我也希望千春的環評跟都計我希望因為有些涉及到環境部有些涉及到內政部也請經濟部因為竟然是主責機關啊能不能也協調溝通一下加快加快它的程序那你這個東西加快了後面的程序就整個會加快能不能盡量趕在明年的上半年來完成環評跟都計的程序\n\n10\n00:03:26,591 --> 00:03:50,311\n我們會朝這個目標來努力好不好我希望朝這個目標好不好因為還有整整一年的時間那其實環評如果多做一些溝通多做一些說明的話那競速協助是有可能加快的包括都計好不好那我們希望明年上半年把這些完成讓鄉親們早點感受到這個速度好不好感受到這個整個整體的速度好不好\n\n11\n00:03:50,971 --> 00:04:13,287\n好那另外還有包括甚至園區的核定設置我們都希望這些都配合能夠整個加快好那再來我們前幾天大概包括次長何次長跟林副市長也有對外說明了在明年的第二季要來啟動大概4到6月要來啟動協議架構程序部長這個確定了嗎\n\n12\n00:04:17,293 --> 00:04:36,349\n確定這個確定了所以明年的4月到6月要來啟動協議架構那我們希望這個協議架構的程序是能夠順利而且是快速的至少我也希望經濟部跟市府那邊把相關的整個配套措施把它做好讓\n\n13\n00:04:37,470 --> 00:04:47,675\n人民很快的能夠在4月份開始就能夠完成這個協議架構的程序一坪換一坪包括住商區的土地一坪換一坪包括\n\n14\n00:04:48,485 --> 00:05:16,659\n農業區的土地換到高坪特定區甚至於有限住法領現金的話那包括公保地的協議架構等等我們希望這些趕快來完成協議架構程序之後那後面還有甚至於完成之後還有很多要抽籤配利等等很多作業要做所以我們希望4到6月能夠完成這樣的一個協議架構程序部長這個應該可以在4到6月把它完成所以明年的上半年應該可以把\n\n15\n00:05:17,340 --> 00:05:19,425\n多數的協議架構把它做完成\n\n16\n00:05:21,048 --> 00:05:45,653\n明年上半年明年上半年就在六月把所有的這些協議架構完成那當然有些不願意協議架構那當然下一步再來想辦法但是至少把有意願願意協議架構願意一坪換一坪願意領取現金願意換土地的我們盡速把它完成那讓他們可以正式的感受到這個遷村的程序啟動那協議架構完了之後那2027年\n\n17\n00:05:47,633 --> 00:06:11,688\n照我們的規劃應該是2027年正式來啟動正式的遷村是吧部長是的在2027年正式啟動所以等於是2026年的上半年完成了協議架構那在下半年會把其他土地的問題做一個初步的解決之後2027年就正式來啟動遷村那2029年來完成遷村這是經濟部目前的目標的方向嗎是吧\n\n18\n00:06:13,122 --> 00:06:32,999\n目前暫定是這樣暫定這樣我希望大家來努力啦對因為這個真的拖很久了啦真的拖很久了我認為也不宜再拖了啦那協議加購完正式來啟動千春那也正式來這個完成千春我們希望2029年是一個大家\n\n19\n00:06:33,899 --> 00:07:02,806\n黃衣襪身處的觀念啦就是說大家都是開開心那我也希望在這個過程中也跟部長反應就是說有任何只要當地市區的居民的一些權益我也希望多多給予照顧沒有人會希望離開自己的長期居住的家園啦但是因為那邊的空屋八百隻煙囪的包圍因為當年政府沒有作為那也為了國家國土的配置更有利我也希望這件事情經濟部門能夠善待當地的居民就是說\n\n20\n00:07:03,326 --> 00:07:22,664\n能夠給的盡量給啦就當然法律上可以給的空間因為我還是要再次強調沒有人願意簽的啦如果不是因為環境不好如果不是因為各方面的因素沒有人願意簽那在簽的過程中我也相信未來這件事情是可以創造出一個多贏的空間對國家是好對人民是好對整個產業也是好的\n\n21\n00:07:22,904 --> 00:07:42,503\n那我希望我們朝著多營的空間來進行我也相信未來政府跟整個會在這邊獲得了更大的一個整體上更大的一個效益所以在這樣狀況下的時候就盡量能夠善待市區的人民當然如果說是其他的這個寄附在這邊或其他外來的這當然就\n\n22\n00:07:43,804 --> 00:08:07,338\n還好我覺得應該是可以的但是如果真正市區在那邊從小在那邊長大或者他們兩代三代都在這個地方的話那不要讓他們將來有一天離開了大林埔的時候流離失所甚至於他們條件是很苛刻的甚至於對他們來說將來是對政府有怨言的那我覺得這個是將來是會造成反對更多的後遺症我也希望部長在這個處理過程中給予更寬的條件\n\n23\n00:08:09,919 --> 00:08:39,462\n善待市居的居民真正住在这边的居民我认为其实符合公平争议也是让整件事情能够圆满一个关键因素是的谢谢委员指导我想我们会在法的框架之内我们全力以赴谢谢部长我想企业家出身的应该更能够感同身受我也相信能够创造多赢的空间多赢是很重要的让人民赢让国家赢让整个产业都赢大家都赢这件事情一定是做得到也需要花一点心力\n\n24\n00:08:39,882 --> 00:09:03,310\n那最后一点时间我再请教一下这一次的风灾之后山区有很多土石的坍塌等等那个很多的包括青枢的安全的这一块我也希望部长更加的重视了好不好特别是在更山区里面的它很多的土石坍塌你看这个桥这个是在纳马下的一个桥那几乎是每次豪大雨几乎是\n\n25\n00:09:04,170 --> 00:09:25,941\n土石落到了幾乎是跟橋面但交通部也要蓋新的橋了但是表示這邊的嚴重性我也希望經濟部跟交通部各部會通力來合作把山上的很多的土石盡量能夠疏進下來能夠讓那個地方的淤積不要這麼嚴重因為每次都這麼嚴重的時候其實每次只要好大的颱風來就會造成重大影響好吧這請部長再加速\n\n26\n00:09:26,821 --> 00:09:41,718\n馬上來好不好加速重視啦好不好加速重視那最後一個是原鄉這一次的部分因為很多的自來水好大雨中它自來水受到很多的影響那當然也有謝謝水利署啦也有給予支持了那我也希望除了地方的經費\n\n27\n00:09:42,859 --> 00:10:03,118\n中央有給了地方不足的部分中央能夠持續來支持啦中央持續來支持就對於三個原鄉的部分那我知道水利署其實是有這樣的法令可以來提供的啦那個錢都並不會太多但是對原鄉的原住民使用自來水就很重要我也希望部長來支持好不好\n\n28\n00:10:03,775 --> 00:10:19,347\n是我們能夠做得到的我們都會做我知道這個這個部分框架之內我們一定會建立我有問過水利署基本上是有條件只是有部長的承諾是大家會更加的放心我們大家來努力好那另外中長期的部分現在因為工程會有已經\n\n29\n00:10:20,127 --> 00:10:40,704\n復建的工程經費甚至我們這次也通過了特別條例那特別條例裡面也會匡列很多經費進來我也希望未來的時候包括部長包括署裡面也把這些經費匡進來好不好給原鄉的三個原鄉區裡面能夠至少有基本的自來水使用啦這樣的匡進來的話才能夠加速它的一個施作好不好好謝謝委員好謝謝部長謝謝\n\n30\n00:10:46,772 --> 00:10:48,359\n谢谢我们现在请\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3373\t7271\t好 现在谢谢主席了请部长郭部长\n11277\t39933\t也請一下這個產業運輸管理局一起來 裴統統部長我先請教一個問題其實大林埔遷村我一直在關心一直在關心這樣的一個進度那其實從2016年就在追包括每次總諮詢那2018年蘇院長核定經費之後那到現在又已經2025年了又過了六七年了那我想問一下部長明年有沒有編列經費來做這些工作\n42821\t58207\t已經編列了 有編列了齁我得到的訊息是大概編了60億的經費 這個正確嗎是 是啦齁那裡面60億大概做在公共設施跟公有地的一個購地經費嗎包括跟台塘跟交通部港務局的經費嗎\n60148\t88691\t部長是嗎這些採購經費是所以這也等於是一個很跟也讓當地的鄉親們了解確實經濟部是動起來了因為已經編第一筆經費60億然後即將來作為收購這個公共設施的建設跟公共土地的購地經費那我希望這個部分能夠加快來進行了好不好請部長經濟部的部分一定是會加快進行那還有其他哪個部分\n89588\t104798\t地方政府好我請部長也加速跟地方政府的溝通了好不好市府的 因為這個是由經濟部主辦委託給市政府辦理但是畢竟主辦方是經濟部啦所以我還是要請部長跟副局長這邊要盯緊好不好這個\n107319\t126718\t因為從2016年談到現在都已經這個快10年了那從蘇院長核定到現在也快7年了其實這個速度要加快要不然當地鄉親都一直覺得說到底簽不簽到底是簽真的簽假的好不好部長應該是簽真的吧我去 我跟你一樣我去公聽會嘛\n127932\t148469\t我能夠了解所以我們大埔村的鄉民的村民的意願所以我們會努力來達成部長其實去也聽到很多心聲很多人擔憂的是到底簽不簽速度能不能快一點幾乎都是這樣的一個那要簽速度要快一點所以\n149029\t177420\t經濟部的部分沒有問題了我們是全力以赴好不好那就請如果你談到市府部分就請經濟部也協助了好不好請市府那邊也加速了那再來我來問一下丹寧堡前村裡面有涉及到環評跟都計的程序嘛那都預計在明年的包括11月12月陸續來完成那這個其實也可以快啦我舉以前國企的例子國企環評可以拖了13年那真的是很沒有效率啦一件事\n178400\t206331\t部長企業家出身不管環評過或不過最糟糕的就是拖了13年不敢做決定這是最糟的決定那我也希望千春的環評跟都計我希望因為有些涉及到環境部有些涉及到內政部也請經濟部因為竟然是主責機關啊能不能也協調溝通一下加快加快它的程序那你這個東西加快了後面的程序就整個會加快能不能盡量趕在明年的上半年來完成環評跟都計的程序\n206591\t230311\t我們會朝這個目標來努力好不好我希望朝這個目標好不好因為還有整整一年的時間那其實環評如果多做一些溝通多做一些說明的話那競速協助是有可能加快的包括都計好不好那我們希望明年上半年把這些完成讓鄉親們早點感受到這個速度好不好感受到這個整個整體的速度好不好\n230971\t253287\t好那另外還有包括甚至園區的核定設置我們都希望這些都配合能夠整個加快好那再來我們前幾天大概包括次長何次長跟林副市長也有對外說明了在明年的第二季要來啟動大概4到6月要來啟動協議架構程序部長這個確定了嗎\n257293\t276349\t確定這個確定了所以明年的4月到6月要來啟動協議架構那我們希望這個協議架構的程序是能夠順利而且是快速的至少我也希望經濟部跟市府那邊把相關的整個配套措施把它做好讓\n277470\t287675\t人民很快的能夠在4月份開始就能夠完成這個協議架構的程序一坪換一坪包括住商區的土地一坪換一坪包括\n288485\t316659\t農業區的土地換到高坪特定區甚至於有限住法領現金的話那包括公保地的協議架構等等我們希望這些趕快來完成協議架構程序之後那後面還有甚至於完成之後還有很多要抽籤配利等等很多作業要做所以我們希望4到6月能夠完成這樣的一個協議架構程序部長這個應該可以在4到6月把它完成所以明年的上半年應該可以把\n317340\t319425\t多數的協議架構把它做完成\n321048\t345653\t明年上半年明年上半年就在六月把所有的這些協議架構完成那當然有些不願意協議架構那當然下一步再來想辦法但是至少把有意願願意協議架構願意一坪換一坪願意領取現金願意換土地的我們盡速把它完成那讓他們可以正式的感受到這個遷村的程序啟動那協議架構完了之後那2027年\n347633\t371688\t照我們的規劃應該是2027年正式來啟動正式的遷村是吧 部長是的 在2027年正式啟動所以等於是2026年的上半年完成了協議架構那在下半年會把其他土地的問題做一個初步的解決之後2027年就正式來啟動遷村那2029年來完成遷村這是經濟部目前的目標的方向嗎 是吧\n373122\t392999\t目前暫定是這樣暫定這樣我希望大家來努力啦對因為這個真的拖很久了啦真的拖很久了我認為也不宜再拖了啦那協議加購完正式來啟動千春那也正式來這個完成千春我們希望2029年是一個大家\n393899\t422806\t黃衣襪身處的觀念啦 就是說大家都是開開心 那我也希望在這個過程中也跟部長反應 就是說有任何只要當地市區的居民的一些權益 我也希望多多給予照顧沒有人會希望離開自己的長期居住的家園啦 但是因為那邊的空屋 八百隻煙囪的包圍 因為當年政府沒有作為那也為了國家國土的配置更有利 我也希望這件事情經濟部門能夠善待當地的居民 就是說\n423326\t442664\t能夠給的盡量給啦就當然法律上可以給的空間因為我還是要再次強調沒有人願意簽的啦如果不是因為環境不好如果不是因為各方面的因素沒有人願意簽那在簽的過程中我也相信未來這件事情是可以創造出一個多贏的空間對國家是好對人民是好對整個產業也是好的\n442904\t462503\t那我希望我們朝著多營的空間來進行我也相信未來政府跟整個會在這邊獲得了更大的一個整體上更大的一個效益所以在這樣狀況下的時候就盡量能夠善待市區的人民當然如果說是其他的這個寄附在這邊或其他外來的這當然就\n463804\t487338\t還好我覺得應該是可以的但是如果真正市區在那邊從小在那邊長大或者他們兩代三代都在這個地方的話那不要讓他們將來有一天離開了大林埔的時候流離失所甚至於他們條件是很苛刻的甚至於對他們來說將來是對政府有怨言的那我覺得這個是將來是會造成反對更多的後遺症我也希望部長在這個處理過程中給予更寬的條件\n489919\t519462\t善待市居的居民真正住在这边的居民我认为其实符合公平争议也是让整件事情能够圆满一个关键因素是的谢谢委员指导我想我们会在法的框架之内我们全力以赴谢谢部长我想企业家出身的应该更能够感同身受我也相信能够创造多赢的空间多赢是很重要的让人民赢让国家赢让整个产业都赢大家都赢这件事情一定是做得到也需要花一点心力\n519882\t543310\t那最后一点时间我再请教一下这一次的风灾之后山区有很多土石的坍塌等等那个很多的包括青枢的安全的这一块我也希望部长更加的重视了好不好特别是在更山区里面的它很多的土石坍塌你看这个桥这个是在纳马下的一个桥那几乎是每次豪大雨几乎是\n544170\t565941\t土石落到了幾乎是跟橋面但交通部也要蓋新的橋了但是表示這邊的嚴重性我也希望經濟部跟交通部各部會通力來合作把山上的很多的土石盡量能夠疏進下來能夠讓那個地方的淤積不要這麼嚴重因為每次都這麼嚴重的時候其實每次只要好大的颱風來就會造成重大影響 好吧這請部長再加速\n566821\t581718\t馬上來 好不好加速重視啦 好不好加速重視那最後一個是原鄉這一次的部分因為很多的自來水好大雨中它自來水受到很多的影響那當然也有謝謝水利署啦也有給予支持了那我也希望除了地方的經費\n582859\t603118\t中央有給了地方不足的部分中央能夠持續來支持啦中央持續來支持就對於三個原鄉的部分那我知道水利署其實是有這樣的法令可以來提供的啦那個錢都並不會太多但是對原鄉的原住民使用自來水就很重要我也希望部長來支持好不好\n603775\t619347\t是我們能夠做得到的我們都會做 我知道這個這個部分框架之內我們一定會建立我有問過水利署基本上是有條件只是有部長的承諾是大家會更加的放心我們大家來努力 好那另外中長期的部分現在因為工程會有已經\n620127\t640704\t復建的工程經費 甚至我們這次也通過了特別條例那特別條例裡面也會匡列很多經費進來我也希望未來的時候包括部長 包括署裡面也把這些經費匡進來好不好 給原鄉的三個原鄉區裡面能夠至少有基本的自來水使用啦這樣的匡進來的話才能夠加速它的一個施作 好不好好 謝謝委員好 謝謝部長 謝謝\n646772\t648359\t谢谢我们现在请\n","txt":"好 现在谢谢主席了请部长郭部长\n也請一下這個產業運輸管理局一起來 裴統統部長我先請教一個問題其實大林埔遷村我一直在關心一直在關心這樣的一個進度那其實從2016年就在追包括每次總諮詢那2018年蘇院長核定經費之後那到現在又已經2025年了又過了六七年了那我想問一下部長明年有沒有編列經費來做這些工作\n已經編列了 有編列了齁我得到的訊息是大概編了60億的經費 這個正確嗎是 是啦齁那裡面60億大概做在公共設施跟公有地的一個購地經費嗎包括跟台塘跟交通部港務局的經費嗎\n部長是嗎這些採購經費是所以這也等於是一個很跟也讓當地的鄉親們了解確實經濟部是動起來了因為已經編第一筆經費60億然後即將來作為收購這個公共設施的建設跟公共土地的購地經費那我希望這個部分能夠加快來進行了好不好請部長經濟部的部分一定是會加快進行那還有其他哪個部分\n地方政府好我請部長也加速跟地方政府的溝通了好不好市府的 因為這個是由經濟部主辦委託給市政府辦理但是畢竟主辦方是經濟部啦所以我還是要請部長跟副局長這邊要盯緊好不好這個\n因為從2016年談到現在都已經這個快10年了那從蘇院長核定到現在也快7年了其實這個速度要加快要不然當地鄉親都一直覺得說到底簽不簽到底是簽真的簽假的好不好部長應該是簽真的吧我去 我跟你一樣我去公聽會嘛\n我能夠了解所以我們大埔村的鄉民的村民的意願所以我們會努力來達成部長其實去也聽到很多心聲很多人擔憂的是到底簽不簽速度能不能快一點幾乎都是這樣的一個那要簽速度要快一點所以\n經濟部的部分沒有問題了我們是全力以赴好不好那就請如果你談到市府部分就請經濟部也協助了好不好請市府那邊也加速了那再來我來問一下丹寧堡前村裡面有涉及到環評跟都計的程序嘛那都預計在明年的包括11月12月陸續來完成那這個其實也可以快啦我舉以前國企的例子國企環評可以拖了13年那真的是很沒有效率啦一件事\n部長企業家出身不管環評過或不過最糟糕的就是拖了13年不敢做決定這是最糟的決定那我也希望千春的環評跟都計我希望因為有些涉及到環境部有些涉及到內政部也請經濟部因為竟然是主責機關啊能不能也協調溝通一下加快加快它的程序那你這個東西加快了後面的程序就整個會加快能不能盡量趕在明年的上半年來完成環評跟都計的程序\n我們會朝這個目標來努力好不好我希望朝這個目標好不好因為還有整整一年的時間那其實環評如果多做一些溝通多做一些說明的話那競速協助是有可能加快的包括都計好不好那我們希望明年上半年把這些完成讓鄉親們早點感受到這個速度好不好感受到這個整個整體的速度好不好\n好那另外還有包括甚至園區的核定設置我們都希望這些都配合能夠整個加快好那再來我們前幾天大概包括次長何次長跟林副市長也有對外說明了在明年的第二季要來啟動大概4到6月要來啟動協議架構程序部長這個確定了嗎\n確定這個確定了所以明年的4月到6月要來啟動協議架構那我們希望這個協議架構的程序是能夠順利而且是快速的至少我也希望經濟部跟市府那邊把相關的整個配套措施把它做好讓\n人民很快的能夠在4月份開始就能夠完成這個協議架構的程序一坪換一坪包括住商區的土地一坪換一坪包括\n農業區的土地換到高坪特定區甚至於有限住法領現金的話那包括公保地的協議架構等等我們希望這些趕快來完成協議架構程序之後那後面還有甚至於完成之後還有很多要抽籤配利等等很多作業要做所以我們希望4到6月能夠完成這樣的一個協議架構程序部長這個應該可以在4到6月把它完成所以明年的上半年應該可以把\n多數的協議架構把它做完成\n明年上半年明年上半年就在六月把所有的這些協議架構完成那當然有些不願意協議架構那當然下一步再來想辦法但是至少把有意願願意協議架構願意一坪換一坪願意領取現金願意換土地的我們盡速把它完成那讓他們可以正式的感受到這個遷村的程序啟動那協議架構完了之後那2027年\n照我們的規劃應該是2027年正式來啟動正式的遷村是吧 部長是的 在2027年正式啟動所以等於是2026年的上半年完成了協議架構那在下半年會把其他土地的問題做一個初步的解決之後2027年就正式來啟動遷村那2029年來完成遷村這是經濟部目前的目標的方向嗎 是吧\n目前暫定是這樣暫定這樣我希望大家來努力啦對因為這個真的拖很久了啦真的拖很久了我認為也不宜再拖了啦那協議加購完正式來啟動千春那也正式來這個完成千春我們希望2029年是一個大家\n黃衣襪身處的觀念啦 就是說大家都是開開心 那我也希望在這個過程中也跟部長反應 就是說有任何只要當地市區的居民的一些權益 我也希望多多給予照顧沒有人會希望離開自己的長期居住的家園啦 但是因為那邊的空屋 八百隻煙囪的包圍 因為當年政府沒有作為那也為了國家國土的配置更有利 我也希望這件事情經濟部門能夠善待當地的居民 就是說\n能夠給的盡量給啦就當然法律上可以給的空間因為我還是要再次強調沒有人願意簽的啦如果不是因為環境不好如果不是因為各方面的因素沒有人願意簽那在簽的過程中我也相信未來這件事情是可以創造出一個多贏的空間對國家是好對人民是好對整個產業也是好的\n那我希望我們朝著多營的空間來進行我也相信未來政府跟整個會在這邊獲得了更大的一個整體上更大的一個效益所以在這樣狀況下的時候就盡量能夠善待市區的人民當然如果說是其他的這個寄附在這邊或其他外來的這當然就\n還好我覺得應該是可以的但是如果真正市區在那邊從小在那邊長大或者他們兩代三代都在這個地方的話那不要讓他們將來有一天離開了大林埔的時候流離失所甚至於他們條件是很苛刻的甚至於對他們來說將來是對政府有怨言的那我覺得這個是將來是會造成反對更多的後遺症我也希望部長在這個處理過程中給予更寬的條件\n善待市居的居民真正住在这边的居民我认为其实符合公平争议也是让整件事情能够圆满一个关键因素是的谢谢委员指导我想我们会在法的框架之内我们全力以赴谢谢部长我想企业家出身的应该更能够感同身受我也相信能够创造多赢的空间多赢是很重要的让人民赢让国家赢让整个产业都赢大家都赢这件事情一定是做得到也需要花一点心力\n那最后一点时间我再请教一下这一次的风灾之后山区有很多土石的坍塌等等那个很多的包括青枢的安全的这一块我也希望部长更加的重视了好不好特别是在更山区里面的它很多的土石坍塌你看这个桥这个是在纳马下的一个桥那几乎是每次豪大雨几乎是\n土石落到了幾乎是跟橋面但交通部也要蓋新的橋了但是表示這邊的嚴重性我也希望經濟部跟交通部各部會通力來合作把山上的很多的土石盡量能夠疏進下來能夠讓那個地方的淤積不要這麼嚴重因為每次都這麼嚴重的時候其實每次只要好大的颱風來就會造成重大影響 好吧這請部長再加速\n馬上來 好不好加速重視啦 好不好加速重視那最後一個是原鄉這一次的部分因為很多的自來水好大雨中它自來水受到很多的影響那當然也有謝謝水利署啦也有給予支持了那我也希望除了地方的經費\n中央有給了地方不足的部分中央能夠持續來支持啦中央持續來支持就對於三個原鄉的部分那我知道水利署其實是有這樣的法令可以來提供的啦那個錢都並不會太多但是對原鄉的原住民使用自來水就很重要我也希望部長來支持好不好\n是我們能夠做得到的我們都會做 我知道這個這個部分框架之內我們一定會建立我有問過水利署基本上是有條件只是有部長的承諾是大家會更加的放心我們大家來努力 好那另外中長期的部分現在因為工程會有已經\n復建的工程經費 甚至我們這次也通過了特別條例那特別條例裡面也會匡列很多經費進來我也希望未來的時候包括部長 包括署裡面也把這些經費匡進來好不好 給原鄉的三個原鄉區裡面能夠至少有基本的自來水使用啦這樣的匡進來的話才能夠加速它的一個施作 好不好好 謝謝委員好 謝謝部長 謝謝\n谢谢我们现在请\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.373 --> 00:07.271\n好现在谢谢主席了请部长郭部长\n\n00:11.277 --> 00:39.933\n也請一下這個產業運輸管理局一起來裴統統部長我先請教一個問題其實大林埔遷村我一直在關心一直在關心這樣的一個進度那其實從2016年就在追包括每次總諮詢那2018年蘇院長核定經費之後那到現在又已經2025年了又過了六七年了那我想問一下部長明年有沒有編列經費來做這些工作\n\n00:42.821 --> 00:58.207\n已經編列了有編列了齁我得到的訊息是大概編了60億的經費這個正確嗎是是啦齁那裡面60億大概做在公共設施跟公有地的一個購地經費嗎包括跟台塘跟交通部港務局的經費嗎\n\n01:00.148 --> 01:28.691\n部長是嗎這些採購經費是所以這也等於是一個很跟也讓當地的鄉親們了解確實經濟部是動起來了因為已經編第一筆經費60億然後即將來作為收購這個公共設施的建設跟公共土地的購地經費那我希望這個部分能夠加快來進行了好不好請部長經濟部的部分一定是會加快進行那還有其他哪個部分\n\n01:29.588 --> 01:44.798\n地方政府好我請部長也加速跟地方政府的溝通了好不好市府的因為這個是由經濟部主辦委託給市政府辦理但是畢竟主辦方是經濟部啦所以我還是要請部長跟副局長這邊要盯緊好不好這個\n\n01:47.319 --> 02:06.718\n因為從2016年談到現在都已經這個快10年了那從蘇院長核定到現在也快7年了其實這個速度要加快要不然當地鄉親都一直覺得說到底簽不簽到底是簽真的簽假的好不好部長應該是簽真的吧我去我跟你一樣我去公聽會嘛\n\n02:07.932 --> 02:28.469\n我能夠了解所以我們大埔村的鄉民的村民的意願所以我們會努力來達成部長其實去也聽到很多心聲很多人擔憂的是到底簽不簽速度能不能快一點幾乎都是這樣的一個那要簽速度要快一點所以\n\n02:29.029 --> 02:57.420\n經濟部的部分沒有問題了我們是全力以赴好不好那就請如果你談到市府部分就請經濟部也協助了好不好請市府那邊也加速了那再來我來問一下丹寧堡前村裡面有涉及到環評跟都計的程序嘛那都預計在明年的包括11月12月陸續來完成那這個其實也可以快啦我舉以前國企的例子國企環評可以拖了13年那真的是很沒有效率啦一件事\n\n02:58.400 --> 03:26.331\n部長企業家出身不管環評過或不過最糟糕的就是拖了13年不敢做決定這是最糟的決定那我也希望千春的環評跟都計我希望因為有些涉及到環境部有些涉及到內政部也請經濟部因為竟然是主責機關啊能不能也協調溝通一下加快加快它的程序那你這個東西加快了後面的程序就整個會加快能不能盡量趕在明年的上半年來完成環評跟都計的程序\n\n03:26.591 --> 03:50.311\n我們會朝這個目標來努力好不好我希望朝這個目標好不好因為還有整整一年的時間那其實環評如果多做一些溝通多做一些說明的話那競速協助是有可能加快的包括都計好不好那我們希望明年上半年把這些完成讓鄉親們早點感受到這個速度好不好感受到這個整個整體的速度好不好\n\n03:50.971 --> 04:13.287\n好那另外還有包括甚至園區的核定設置我們都希望這些都配合能夠整個加快好那再來我們前幾天大概包括次長何次長跟林副市長也有對外說明了在明年的第二季要來啟動大概4到6月要來啟動協議架構程序部長這個確定了嗎\n\n04:17.293 --> 04:36.349\n確定這個確定了所以明年的4月到6月要來啟動協議架構那我們希望這個協議架構的程序是能夠順利而且是快速的至少我也希望經濟部跟市府那邊把相關的整個配套措施把它做好讓\n\n04:37.470 --> 04:47.675\n人民很快的能夠在4月份開始就能夠完成這個協議架構的程序一坪換一坪包括住商區的土地一坪換一坪包括\n\n04:48.485 --> 05:16.659\n農業區的土地換到高坪特定區甚至於有限住法領現金的話那包括公保地的協議架構等等我們希望這些趕快來完成協議架構程序之後那後面還有甚至於完成之後還有很多要抽籤配利等等很多作業要做所以我們希望4到6月能夠完成這樣的一個協議架構程序部長這個應該可以在4到6月把它完成所以明年的上半年應該可以把\n\n05:17.340 --> 05:19.425\n多數的協議架構把它做完成\n\n05:21.048 --> 05:45.653\n明年上半年明年上半年就在六月把所有的這些協議架構完成那當然有些不願意協議架構那當然下一步再來想辦法但是至少把有意願願意協議架構願意一坪換一坪願意領取現金願意換土地的我們盡速把它完成那讓他們可以正式的感受到這個遷村的程序啟動那協議架構完了之後那2027年\n\n05:47.633 --> 06:11.688\n照我們的規劃應該是2027年正式來啟動正式的遷村是吧部長是的在2027年正式啟動所以等於是2026年的上半年完成了協議架構那在下半年會把其他土地的問題做一個初步的解決之後2027年就正式來啟動遷村那2029年來完成遷村這是經濟部目前的目標的方向嗎是吧\n\n06:13.122 --> 06:32.999\n目前暫定是這樣暫定這樣我希望大家來努力啦對因為這個真的拖很久了啦真的拖很久了我認為也不宜再拖了啦那協議加購完正式來啟動千春那也正式來這個完成千春我們希望2029年是一個大家\n\n06:33.899 --> 07:02.806\n黃衣襪身處的觀念啦就是說大家都是開開心那我也希望在這個過程中也跟部長反應就是說有任何只要當地市區的居民的一些權益我也希望多多給予照顧沒有人會希望離開自己的長期居住的家園啦但是因為那邊的空屋八百隻煙囪的包圍因為當年政府沒有作為那也為了國家國土的配置更有利我也希望這件事情經濟部門能夠善待當地的居民就是說\n\n07:03.326 --> 07:22.664\n能夠給的盡量給啦就當然法律上可以給的空間因為我還是要再次強調沒有人願意簽的啦如果不是因為環境不好如果不是因為各方面的因素沒有人願意簽那在簽的過程中我也相信未來這件事情是可以創造出一個多贏的空間對國家是好對人民是好對整個產業也是好的\n\n07:22.904 --> 07:42.503\n那我希望我們朝著多營的空間來進行我也相信未來政府跟整個會在這邊獲得了更大的一個整體上更大的一個效益所以在這樣狀況下的時候就盡量能夠善待市區的人民當然如果說是其他的這個寄附在這邊或其他外來的這當然就\n\n07:43.804 --> 08:07.338\n還好我覺得應該是可以的但是如果真正市區在那邊從小在那邊長大或者他們兩代三代都在這個地方的話那不要讓他們將來有一天離開了大林埔的時候流離失所甚至於他們條件是很苛刻的甚至於對他們來說將來是對政府有怨言的那我覺得這個是將來是會造成反對更多的後遺症我也希望部長在這個處理過程中給予更寬的條件\n\n08:09.919 --> 08:39.462\n善待市居的居民真正住在这边的居民我认为其实符合公平争议也是让整件事情能够圆满一个关键因素是的谢谢委员指导我想我们会在法的框架之内我们全力以赴谢谢部长我想企业家出身的应该更能够感同身受我也相信能够创造多赢的空间多赢是很重要的让人民赢让国家赢让整个产业都赢大家都赢这件事情一定是做得到也需要花一点心力\n\n08:39.882 --> 09:03.310\n那最后一点时间我再请教一下这一次的风灾之后山区有很多土石的坍塌等等那个很多的包括青枢的安全的这一块我也希望部长更加的重视了好不好特别是在更山区里面的它很多的土石坍塌你看这个桥这个是在纳马下的一个桥那几乎是每次豪大雨几乎是\n\n09:04.170 --> 09:25.941\n土石落到了幾乎是跟橋面但交通部也要蓋新的橋了但是表示這邊的嚴重性我也希望經濟部跟交通部各部會通力來合作把山上的很多的土石盡量能夠疏進下來能夠讓那個地方的淤積不要這麼嚴重因為每次都這麼嚴重的時候其實每次只要好大的颱風來就會造成重大影響好吧這請部長再加速\n\n09:26.821 --> 09:41.718\n馬上來好不好加速重視啦好不好加速重視那最後一個是原鄉這一次的部分因為很多的自來水好大雨中它自來水受到很多的影響那當然也有謝謝水利署啦也有給予支持了那我也希望除了地方的經費\n\n09:42.859 --> 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