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00:00:48,948\n郭文豪院長早我想今天都是國人非常關心的有關關稅的專案報告雖然談判還在進行中我也知道你很多事情沒有辦法現在對國人說但是我必須說從4月到現在國人都在等進一步的消息院長你覺得目前為止政府的處置你滿意嗎\n\n3\n00:00:50,715 --> 00:01:18,984\n我覺得第一個談判代表團很辛苦再來我們適度的把談判的次數進度向外界講但細節內容到底是有所保留我必須說國人不太滿意啦不滿意的不是說我們談判代表不努力我們都知道這一次川普的關稅他是對著全世界開槍台灣只是其中一個所以沒有辦法怪任何一個人但是他的目標很清楚開放市場\n\n4\n00:01:19,924 --> 00:01:45,972\n投資美國講完了所以不做這兩件事就不可能談得好對吧他為了也是要他的貿易赤字還有他的財政政治跟貿易利差沒錯要跟他貿易赤字的無一倖免不管是不是他的盟友包括日本韓國包括所謂的歐盟沒有一個人置身事外所以20加N從8月7號到現在應該還在進行中吧\n\n5\n00:01:46,810 --> 00:01:54,764\n所以我們就以緩急急的方式所以他就是一個現在進行對我們對特殊的產業有受到傷害所以我們以緩急急來協助他\n\n6\n00:01:55,649 --> 00:02:21,927\n談判代表很努力美國政府沒有辦法達成協議我覺得還是回到一個問題是政府有沒有讓人民安心啊過程裡面我們沒有人說談判代表不努力但是我覺得人民不夠安心尤其是在7月31號副院長在這邊我想我們必須要表達人民對於這件事情的看法7月31號全部的國人引頸期盼等著行政院的回答\n\n7\n00:02:22,543 --> 00:02:45,090\n行政院發言人出來說已經在談了而且在寫聯合聲明了我們都覺得很棒啊但是第二天早上起來是突然間發現第一沒有聯合聲明第二不是什麼技術性磋商第三20%就算了過了一天才說28還要加恩這才是今天我剛說國人不滿意的原因\n\n8\n00:02:46,138 --> 00:03:05,010\n我們知道川普要什麼可是我們不知道我們的行政團隊是這樣的方式讓國人在過程中竟然是受到這樣的驚嚇院長你了解我的意思嗎7月31號為什麼會發明莫名其妙的聯合聲明呢說聯合聲明正在寫一個天早上沒有\n\n9\n00:03:06,212 --> 00:03:32,657\n既有關稅加上對等關稅這個我們早先就講過沒有以這個強調我會覺得要加強那談判的過程請副院長來說一下聯合聲明是隨便亂說的嗎沒有我們的確和美方戳傷了所有相關的技術性議題以及聯合聲明相關的內容有戳傷不是正在寫只是有戳傷但他說的是正在寫\n\n10\n00:03:34,212 --> 00:03:38,697\n這件事情我的意思是說行政院必須要對國人說個抱歉因為經過幾輪的談判相關的技術性議題大致的共識也完成行政院發言人這樣說對還是不對\n\n11\n00:03:55,253 --> 00:04:18,127\n是對的因為我們的確跟美方進行了聯合聲明的磋商所以第二天在最後一輪的實體磋商當中的確有但最後一天沒有能夠達事實上跟委員報我努力到最後一天所以就是空包燈不是沒有達成共識有兩個原因第一個是美方沒有得以安排美方不同意所以我們只是自己說說不是\n\n12\n00:04:18,647 --> 00:04:46,161\n第二美方也有通知我方因為我方的這個逆差結構有九成我只要說這是中華民國政府闖出的最大的笑話啦第二個是第二天才開始吵說20%要不要加N然後看到日本在吵我們才赫然發現我們也要加N然後現在你告訴我們你要去爭取不加N這是對你之前講過了但是全國人民大概只有\n\n13\n00:04:47,202 --> 00:05:05,276\n美方希望續談是因為我們聯動232半導體ICT這現象我們在記者會有說明全部的媒體都沒有人知道全部的民眾都沒有人知道就是立法委員不認真所以我們都不知道\n\n14\n00:05:06,497 --> 00:05:32,321\n所以以後不要再闖這種笑話了院長我要說的是不要再有這種surprisenosurprise是一個對國人最重要的立場我們非常尊重委員所以我們希望來國會說明我們很早就希望你們來說明了但是民進黨一直擋著不到你們來說明我現在講一次院長我只要求一個nosurprise\n\n15\n00:05:32,461 --> 00:05:57,106\n不要發生這類似這樣的意外大家都知道很難談我們都理解但是不要有這種surprise所以安心讓人民很重要很難談所以沒有到那個點上我們真的沒有辦法把那個關鍵講出來所以我現在就要問了我們剛剛很多委員都已經問過了其實我們只是要問三句話第一這個暫時新關稅howlong還有多久\n\n16\n00:05:58,325 --> 00:06:04,336\n你們可以做到剛副院長說的九月底美國財政部長說的十月底可以確定這樣的時程嗎\n\n17\n00:06:06,072 --> 00:06:28,291\n我們希望越快越好越快越好的確我們在持續推進中一到兩個月之內應該會大勢抵地我們持續推進中那我們也表達了三項目標那希望越快越好那當然這取決於雙方不過我們會全力努力那真正關鍵的因素我剛剛有跟委員讓我說明完就是有關於是半導體供應鏈以及232相關的關稅\n\n18\n00:06:30,733 --> 00:06:32,995\n那真的就不要告訴人家說我們在你聯合聲明了啦\n\n19\n00:06:49,844 --> 00:07:19,137\n的確有聯合聲明那如果我們達成協議那因為各國達成協議的模式那你們都談完了我希望剛剛講那些時辰全部公佈給大家聽那時候你的聯合聲明長什麼樣如果可以的話到時候都一起公佈把所有時辰講出來那是不是我跟委員來報告美方達成協議的模式有公佈聯合聲明的有公佈白宮事實文件很少啦只有很重要的很大的國家才有正式公佈最開心的還有日本韓國還跟川普一起照相呢\n\n20\n00:07:19,437 --> 00:07:44,056\n像前幾天就公布了歐盟的聯合聲明但歐盟是在這個8月1號以前就先宣布達成共識所以他達成共識的方式有多遠我想過程我剛剛講了nosurprise就好了前面讓大家更清楚知道你的過程第二個我要問的是有多少影響剛剛院長報告的是已經有說了多少廠商現在無薪假可能還有多少的影響\n\n21\n00:07:44,696 --> 00:07:47,019\n我想問說對於國內的衝擊什麼時候會知道什麼時候會知道現在正在發生的20加N現在的衝擊評估有了嗎\n\n22\n00:08:01,406 --> 00:08:21,602\n我們衝擊評估在4月9號我們已經有公布過了而且有各項產品的這個衝擊評估那包含我們在工業的部分特別提到像工具機機械那個報告裡面都有了副院長不要浪費我的時間好嗎下一個我想問一下你們的談判代表\n\n23\n00:08:22,694 --> 00:08:30,830\n我們現在看到的是台積電董事長還有黃仁勳都見到川普我們的談判代表到底現在在跟誰談啊\n\n24\n00:08:32,436 --> 00:08:57,547\n我们过去几个月我们的谈判对口是美国贸易代表署以及商务部那的确美方我们在谈判最终必须进行总结会议但美方的总结会议的形式也有它不同的设定美方总结会议的形式美方会提出它的一个建议方案会做考量我方也会就这个形式来现在的问题就是可能还有下一个\n\n25\n00:08:58,527 --> 00:09:14,948\n我們現在USDR給我們一直以來的所謂的貿易障礙也就剛剛院長說的他們一直要台灣放寬的叫做相關實案的標準以及開放市場最重要要投資美國這個是USDR長期以來對台灣的所謂的\n\n26\n00:09:17,174 --> 00:09:28,829\n貿易障礙就是他們美方長期每一年會定期公佈各國的貿易障礙這些我要問的是台灣的談判紅線在哪裡我們看到日本講得很清楚汽車就是他的談判紅線\n\n27\n00:09:31,669 --> 00:09:57,496\n韓國牛肉食安就是他的談判紅線我想問一下國民健康我們的談判紅線是良食安全國民健康就是我們的原則是所以具體的內容呢具體跟美方來談判但是一個基改食品校園會不會放委員我們在現在在談判過程當中那我就念給大家聽吧30月齡以上的美牛進口\n\n28\n00:09:58,779 --> 00:10:21,912\n黃牛政的疑慮我們相關的牛血產品跟牛脂違反國際標準這是他們說我們的但我們長期以來不讓這些進入所謂的校園跟軍隊另外就是馬鈴薯還有所謂的萊劑這些都是我們長期以來被美國認為的貿易障礙這一次他有沒有要求把這些放寬\n\n29\n00:10:22,827 --> 00:10:37,575\n跟委員報告的確各國都會面對美國希望關稅非關稅貿易障礙的這些談判的範圍那美國每年都會我要說的是齁院長食品安全這件事情就是讓人民知道委員是不是讓我可以回答\n\n30\n00:10:39,369 --> 00:10:55,171\n因為這些範圍的確是會在談但是我方一定是以這個糧食安全國民健康為原則然後依據科學的依據然後國民健康糧食安全\n\n31\n00:10:55,712 --> 00:10:59,558\n是我們的原則那我們希望我們在既有的既有的報告委員你剛說的那幾項都是\n\n32\n00:11:11,776 --> 00:11:18,605\n美方跟我國以及其他各國重新來一些公開的貿易障礙只是委員我說一句良心話我們在這裡討論這個事情並無助於談判的進行但是我要說的是這是人民會關心的事\n\n33\n00:11:28,138 --> 00:11:53,007\n這是人民最關心的為什麼長期以來變成貿易障礙就是因為台灣人民沒有辦法接受在食品上面標示不明我們不知道我們吃了什麼所以我們只要做清楚的標示這長期被美國認為我們做貿易限制這其實是你要去爭取的國民健康管理制度糧食安全這些都是我們談判的原則它會長期成為貿易障礙就是因為國內有這樣的壓力\n\n34\n00:11:57,288 --> 00:12:20,363\n我要說的是蘇院長你要把我們的壓力當成你談判的助力而不是一味的把這個東西當成說我要拿去交換的東西我要說的是這應該是你談判的助力這是國內民眾對這件食品安全最基本的要求如果今天美國真的要我們放什麼我們要知道我們換到了什麼\n\n35\n00:12:20,883 --> 00:12:44,102\n謝謝委員的建議我剛剛有重申我們的談判原則那所有談判的結果我們最後一定送大院來審議現在美中貿易談判延到了90天所以我們會不會是因為這樣美國要先跟中國談然後再來跟台灣談美中談判延到11月初我們會不會也因為這樣被耽擱了\n\n36\n00:12:45,743 --> 00:12:53,736\n美方的考量我沒有辦法來代表美方說明你覺得他會不會像WTO一樣就是中國先台灣再來理台灣\n\n37\n00:12:54,878 --> 00:13:24,248\n我們就是全力以赴院長這是我很擔心的地方美國人可能會拿台灣作為所謂的美中貿易談判裡面最大的棋子我相信我們也一定是一個很重要的棋子第二個部分是他可能拿著我們跟中國談不管是軍事或經濟貿易另外也可能用我們去犧牲掉讓他去換取中國的讓步這一點在台灣我們身為民意代表立場我們必須要很鄭重的跟\n\n38\n00:13:24,968 --> 00:13:45,636\n兩位說我覺得國人非常在意這件事我們是一個主權國家的立場跟美國進行談判美國多方的考量他考慮其他的因素這並非我們能夠去主導去影響的但我是希望說對台灣能夠有更合理更好的一個稅率沒錯最後一個問題是在8月23號我們看到一個瘋傳媒的獨家報導\n\n39\n00:13:47,156 --> 00:14:15,282\n說台灣的關稅籌碼出爐了而且經濟部的內部資料消息流出來說我們保證市場全面開放台灣企業四年要投資兩千五百億然後我們採購四年之內要投資一千三百億然後還有十年要三千億然後最後我們還要給他四千億的金融服務支持所以院長我看到副院長還是貿易代表有否認這個消息空穴來風還是確有其事\n\n40\n00:14:16,022 --> 00:14:23,776\n這些消息未向經紀部查證也未向行政院經貿辦公室查證但是有沒有全面開放市場\n\n41\n00:14:24,588 --> 00:14:53,759\n那裡面也有一些資訊跟談判情形有所出入不過因為現在談判還在繼續進行當中那是不是請容我們無法一一的向大院做非常詳細的報告我們也是為了維護最後談判的好的一個結果院長投資美國是不可擋我看全世界不管是日本韓國歐盟都一樣所以投資美國有兩種方法一個是民間一個是國家國家對美採購增加我相信這個也大家都支持軍購的部分\n\n42\n00:14:54,315 --> 00:15:07,573\n另外一個是剛剛講不管買美國米買什麼能夠增加你談判的籌碼我相信大部分的國人也可以接受現在的重點是如果我們要大幅投資美國你們接下來上次說的\n\n43\n00:15:08,695 --> 00:15:08,715\n謝謝黃委員\n\n44\n00:15:37,583 --> 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包括所謂的歐盟沒有一個人置身事外所以20加N從8月7號到現在應該還在進行中吧\n106810\t114764\t所以我們就以緩急急的方式所以他就是一個現在進行對我們對特殊的產業有受到傷害所以我們以緩急急來協助他\n115649\t141927\t談判代表很努力美國政府沒有辦法達成協議我覺得還是回到一個問題是政府有沒有讓人民安心啊過程裡面我們沒有人說談判代表不努力但是我覺得人民不夠安心尤其是在7月31號副院長在這邊我想我們必須要表達人民對於這件事情的看法7月31號全部的國人引頸期盼等著行政院的回答\n142543\t165090\t行政院發言人出來說已經在談了而且在寫聯合聲明了我們都覺得很棒啊但是第二天早上起來是突然間發現第一沒有聯合聲明第二不是什麼技術性磋商第三20%就算了過了一天才說28還要加恩這才是今天我剛說國人不滿意的原因\n166138\t185010\t我們知道川普要什麼可是我們不知道我們的行政團隊是這樣的方式讓國人在過程中竟然是受到這樣的驚嚇院長你了解我的意思嗎7月31號為什麼會發明莫名其妙的聯合聲明呢說聯合聲明正在寫一個天早上沒有\n186212\t212657\t既有關稅加上對等關稅這個我們早先就講過沒有以這個強調我會覺得要加強那談判的過程請副院長來說一下聯合聲明是隨便亂說的嗎沒有 我們的確和美方戳傷了所有相關的技術性議題以及聯合聲明相關的內容有戳傷不是正在寫 只是有戳傷但他說的是正在寫\n214212\t218697\t這件事情我的意思是說行政院必須要對國人說個抱歉因為經過幾輪的談判相關的技術性議題大致的共識也完成行政院發言人這樣說對還是不對\n235253\t258127\t是對的 因為我們的確跟美方進行了聯合聲明的磋商所以第二天在最後一輪的實體磋商當中的確有但最後一天沒有能夠達 事實上跟委員報我努力到最後一天所以就是空包燈不是 沒有達成共識有兩個原因第一個是美方沒有得以安排美方不同意所以我們只是自己說說不是\n258647\t286161\t第二美方也有通知我方因為我方的這個逆差結構有九成我只要說這是中華民國政府闖出的最大的笑話啦第二個是第二天才開始吵說20%要不要加N然後看到日本在吵我們才赫然發現我們也要加N然後現在你告訴我們你要去爭取不加N這是對你之前講過了但是全國人民大概只有\n287202\t305276\t美方希望續談是因為我們聯動232半導體ICT這現象我們在記者會有說明全部的媒體都沒有人知道全部的民眾都沒有人知道就是立法委員不認真所以我們都不知道\n306497\t332321\t所以以後不要再闖這種笑話了院長我要說的是不要再有這種surpriseno surprise是一個對國人最重要的立場我們非常尊重委員所以我們希望來國會說明我們很早就希望你們來說明了但是民進黨一直擋著不到你們來說明我現在講一次 院長我只要求一個no surprise\n332461\t357106\t不要發生這類似這樣的意外大家都知道很難談我們都理解但是不要有這種surprise所以安心讓人民很重要很難談所以沒有到那個點上我們真的沒有辦法把那個關鍵講出來所以我現在就要問了我們剛剛很多委員都已經問過了其實我們只是要問三句話第一這個暫時新關稅how long 還有多久\n358325\t364336\t你們可以做到剛副院長說的九月底美國財政部長說的十月底可以確定這樣的時程嗎\n366072\t388291\t我們希望越快越好越快越好的確我們在持續推進中一到兩個月之內應該會大勢抵地我們持續推進中那我們也表達了三項目標那希望越快越好那當然這取決於雙方不過我們會全力努力那真正關鍵的因素我剛剛有跟委員讓我說明完就是有關於是半導體供應鏈以及232相關的關稅\n390733\t392995\t那真的就不要告訴人家說我們在你聯合聲明了啦\n409844\t439137\t的確有聯合聲明那如果我們達成協議那因為各國達成協議的模式那你們都談完了我希望剛剛講那些時辰全部公佈給大家聽那時候你的聯合聲明長什麼樣如果可以的話到時候都一起公佈把所有時辰講出來那是不是我跟委員來報告美方達成協議的模式有公佈聯合聲明的有公佈白宮事實文件很少啦只有很重要的很大的國家才有正式公佈最開心的還有日本韓國還跟川普一起照相呢\n439437\t464056\t像前幾天就公布了歐盟的聯合聲明但歐盟是在這個8月1號以前就先宣布達成共識所以他達成共識的方式有多遠我想過程我剛剛講了no surprise就好了前面讓大家更清楚知道你的過程第二個我要問的是有多少影響剛剛院長報告的是已經有說了多少廠商現在無薪假可能還有多少的影響\n464696\t467019\t我想問說對於國內的衝擊什麼時候會知道什麼時候會知道現在正在發生的20加N現在的衝擊評估有了嗎\n481406\t501602\t我們衝擊評估在4月9號我們已經有公布過了而且有各項產品的這個衝擊評估那包含我們在工業的部分特別提到像工具機 機械那個報告裡面都有了副院長不要浪費我的時間好嗎下一個我想問一下你們的談判代表\n502694\t510830\t我們現在看到的是台積電董事長還有黃仁勳都見到川普我們的談判代表到底現在在跟誰談啊\n512436\t537547\t我们过去几个月我们的谈判对口是美国贸易代表署以及商务部那的确美方我们在谈判最终必须进行总结会议但美方的总结会议的形式也有它不同的设定美方总结会议的形式美方会提出它的一个建议方案会做考量我方也会就这个形式来现在的问题就是可能还有下一个\n538527\t554948\t我們現在USDR給我們一直以來的所謂的貿易障礙也就剛剛院長說的他們一直要台灣放寬的叫做相關實案的標準以及開放市場最重要要投資美國這個是USDR長期以來對台灣的所謂的\n557174\t568829\t貿易障礙就是他們美方長期每一年會定期公佈各國的貿易障礙這些我要問的是台灣的談判紅線在哪裡我們看到日本講得很清楚汽車就是他的談判紅線\n571669\t597496\t韓國牛肉食安就是他的談判紅線我想問一下國民健康我們的談判紅線是良食安全國民健康就是我們的原則是所以具體的內容呢具體跟美方來談判但是一個基改食品校園會不會放委員我們在現在在談判過程當中那我就念給大家聽吧30月齡以上的美牛進口\n598779\t621912\t黃牛政的疑慮我們相關的牛血產品跟牛脂違反國際標準這是他們說我們的但我們長期以來不讓這些進入所謂的校園跟軍隊另外就是馬鈴薯還有所謂的萊劑這些都是我們長期以來被美國認為的貿易障礙這一次他有沒有要求把這些放寬\n622827\t637575\t跟委員報告的確各國都會面對美國希望關稅非關稅貿易障礙的這些談判的範圍那美國每年都會 我要說的是齁院長食品安全這件事情就是讓人民知道 委員是不是讓我可以回答\n639369\t655171\t因為這些範圍的確是會在談但是我方一定是以這個糧食安全 國民健康為原則然後依據科學的依據然後國民健康 糧食安全\n655712\t659558\t是我們的原則那我們希望我們在既有的既有的報告委員你剛說的那幾項都是\n671776\t678605\t美方跟我國以及其他各國重新來一些公開的貿易障礙只是委員我說一句良心話我們在這裡討論這個事情並無助於談判的進行但是我要說的是這是人民會關心的事\n688138\t713007\t這是人民最關心的為什麼長期以來變成貿易障礙就是因為台灣人民沒有辦法接受在食品上面標示不明我們不知道我們吃了什麼所以我們只要做清楚的標示這長期被美國認為我們做貿易限制這其實是你要去爭取的國民健康 管理制度 糧食安全這些都是我們談判的原則它會長期成為貿易障礙就是因為國內有這樣的壓力\n717288\t740363\t我要說的是 蘇院長你要把我們的壓力當成你談判的助力而不是一味的把這個東西當成說我要拿去交換的東西我要說的是 這應該是你談判的助力這是國內民眾對這件食品安全最基本的要求如果今天美國真的要我們放什麼我們要知道我們換到了什麼\n740883\t764102\t謝謝委員的建議我剛剛有重申我們的談判原則那所有談判的結果我們最後一定送大院來審議現在美中貿易談判延到了90天所以我們會不會是因為這樣美國要先跟中國談然後再來跟台灣談美中談判延到11月初我們會不會也因為這樣被耽擱了\n765743\t773736\t美方的考量我沒有辦法來代表美方說明你覺得他會不會像WTO一樣就是中國先台灣再來理台灣\n774878\t804248\t我們就是全力以赴院長這是我很擔心的地方美國人可能會拿台灣作為所謂的美中貿易談判裡面最大的棋子我相信我們也一定是一個很重要的棋子第二個部分是他可能拿著我們跟中國談不管是軍事或經濟貿易另外也可能用我們去犧牲掉讓他去換取中國的讓步這一點在台灣我們身為民意代表立場我們必須要很鄭重的跟\n804968\t825636\t兩位說我覺得國人非常在意這件事我們是一個主權國家的立場跟美國進行談判美國多方的考量他考慮其他的因素這並非我們能夠去主導去影響的但我是希望說對台灣能夠有更合理更好的一個稅率沒錯最後一個問題是在8月23號我們看到一個瘋傳媒的獨家報導\n827156\t855282\t說台灣的關稅籌碼出爐了而且經濟部的內部資料消息流出來說我們保證市場全面開放台灣企業四年要投資兩千五百億然後我們採購四年之內要投資一千三百億然後還有十年要三千億然後最後我們還要給他四千億的金融服務支持所以院長我看到副院長還是貿易代表有否認這個消息空穴來風還是確有其事\n856022\t863776\t這些消息未向經紀部查證也未向行政院經貿辦公室查證但是有沒有全面開放市場\n864588\t893759\t那裡面也有一些資訊跟談判情形有所出入不過因為現在談判還在繼續進行當中那是不是請容我們無法一一的向大院做非常詳細的報告我們也是為了維護最後談判的好的一個結果院長投資美國是不可擋我看全世界不管是日本韓國歐盟都一樣所以投資美國有兩種方法一個是民間一個是國家國家對美採購增加我相信這個也大家都支持軍購的部分\n894315\t907573\t另外一個是剛剛講不管買美國米買什麼能夠增加你談判的籌碼我相信大部分的國人也可以接受現在的重點是如果我們要大幅投資美國你們接下來上次說的\n908695\t908715\t謝謝黃委員\n937583\t939265\t謝謝卓院長下一位我們請羅美玲委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席我請卓院長請卓院長備詢\n郭文豪院長早我想今天都是國人非常關心的有關關稅的專案報告雖然談判還在進行中我也知道你很多事情沒有辦法現在對國人說但是我必須說從4月到現在國人都在等進一步的消息院長你覺得目前為止政府的處置你滿意嗎\n我覺得第一個談判代表團很辛苦再來我們適度的把談判的次數進度向外界講但細節內容到底是有所保留我必須說國人不太滿意啦不滿意的不是說我們談判代表不努力我們都知道這一次川普的關稅他是對著全世界開槍台灣只是其中一個所以沒有辦法怪任何一個人但是他的目標很清楚開放市場\n投資美國 講完了所以不做這兩件事就不可能談得好對吧他為了也是要他的貿易赤字還有他的財政政治跟貿易利差 沒錯要跟他貿易赤字的無一倖免不管是不是他的盟友包括日本 韓國 包括所謂的歐盟沒有一個人置身事外所以20加N從8月7號到現在應該還在進行中吧\n所以我們就以緩急急的方式所以他就是一個現在進行對我們對特殊的產業有受到傷害所以我們以緩急急來協助他\n談判代表很努力美國政府沒有辦法達成協議我覺得還是回到一個問題是政府有沒有讓人民安心啊過程裡面我們沒有人說談判代表不努力但是我覺得人民不夠安心尤其是在7月31號副院長在這邊我想我們必須要表達人民對於這件事情的看法7月31號全部的國人引頸期盼等著行政院的回答\n行政院發言人出來說已經在談了而且在寫聯合聲明了我們都覺得很棒啊但是第二天早上起來是突然間發現第一沒有聯合聲明第二不是什麼技術性磋商第三20%就算了過了一天才說28還要加恩這才是今天我剛說國人不滿意的原因\n我們知道川普要什麼可是我們不知道我們的行政團隊是這樣的方式讓國人在過程中竟然是受到這樣的驚嚇院長你了解我的意思嗎7月31號為什麼會發明莫名其妙的聯合聲明呢說聯合聲明正在寫一個天早上沒有\n既有關稅加上對等關稅這個我們早先就講過沒有以這個強調我會覺得要加強那談判的過程請副院長來說一下聯合聲明是隨便亂說的嗎沒有 我們的確和美方戳傷了所有相關的技術性議題以及聯合聲明相關的內容有戳傷不是正在寫 只是有戳傷但他說的是正在寫\n這件事情我的意思是說行政院必須要對國人說個抱歉因為經過幾輪的談判相關的技術性議題大致的共識也完成行政院發言人這樣說對還是不對\n是對的 因為我們的確跟美方進行了聯合聲明的磋商所以第二天在最後一輪的實體磋商當中的確有但最後一天沒有能夠達 事實上跟委員報我努力到最後一天所以就是空包燈不是 沒有達成共識有兩個原因第一個是美方沒有得以安排美方不同意所以我們只是自己說說不是\n第二美方也有通知我方因為我方的這個逆差結構有九成我只要說這是中華民國政府闖出的最大的笑話啦第二個是第二天才開始吵說20%要不要加N然後看到日本在吵我們才赫然發現我們也要加N然後現在你告訴我們你要去爭取不加N這是對你之前講過了但是全國人民大概只有\n美方希望續談是因為我們聯動232半導體ICT這現象我們在記者會有說明全部的媒體都沒有人知道全部的民眾都沒有人知道就是立法委員不認真所以我們都不知道\n所以以後不要再闖這種笑話了院長我要說的是不要再有這種surpriseno surprise是一個對國人最重要的立場我們非常尊重委員所以我們希望來國會說明我們很早就希望你們來說明了但是民進黨一直擋著不到你們來說明我現在講一次 院長我只要求一個no surprise\n不要發生這類似這樣的意外大家都知道很難談我們都理解但是不要有這種surprise所以安心讓人民很重要很難談所以沒有到那個點上我們真的沒有辦法把那個關鍵講出來所以我現在就要問了我們剛剛很多委員都已經問過了其實我們只是要問三句話第一這個暫時新關稅how long 還有多久\n你們可以做到剛副院長說的九月底美國財政部長說的十月底可以確定這樣的時程嗎\n我們希望越快越好越快越好的確我們在持續推進中一到兩個月之內應該會大勢抵地我們持續推進中那我們也表達了三項目標那希望越快越好那當然這取決於雙方不過我們會全力努力那真正關鍵的因素我剛剛有跟委員讓我說明完就是有關於是半導體供應鏈以及232相關的關稅\n那真的就不要告訴人家說我們在你聯合聲明了啦\n的確有聯合聲明那如果我們達成協議那因為各國達成協議的模式那你們都談完了我希望剛剛講那些時辰全部公佈給大家聽那時候你的聯合聲明長什麼樣如果可以的話到時候都一起公佈把所有時辰講出來那是不是我跟委員來報告美方達成協議的模式有公佈聯合聲明的有公佈白宮事實文件很少啦只有很重要的很大的國家才有正式公佈最開心的還有日本韓國還跟川普一起照相呢\n像前幾天就公布了歐盟的聯合聲明但歐盟是在這個8月1號以前就先宣布達成共識所以他達成共識的方式有多遠我想過程我剛剛講了no surprise就好了前面讓大家更清楚知道你的過程第二個我要問的是有多少影響剛剛院長報告的是已經有說了多少廠商現在無薪假可能還有多少的影響\n我想問說對於國內的衝擊什麼時候會知道什麼時候會知道現在正在發生的20加N現在的衝擊評估有了嗎\n我們衝擊評估在4月9號我們已經有公布過了而且有各項產品的這個衝擊評估那包含我們在工業的部分特別提到像工具機 機械那個報告裡面都有了副院長不要浪費我的時間好嗎下一個我想問一下你們的談判代表\n我們現在看到的是台積電董事長還有黃仁勳都見到川普我們的談判代表到底現在在跟誰談啊\n我们过去几个月我们的谈判对口是美国贸易代表署以及商务部那的确美方我们在谈判最终必须进行总结会议但美方的总结会议的形式也有它不同的设定美方总结会议的形式美方会提出它的一个建议方案会做考量我方也会就这个形式来现在的问题就是可能还有下一个\n我們現在USDR給我們一直以來的所謂的貿易障礙也就剛剛院長說的他們一直要台灣放寬的叫做相關實案的標準以及開放市場最重要要投資美國這個是USDR長期以來對台灣的所謂的\n貿易障礙就是他們美方長期每一年會定期公佈各國的貿易障礙這些我要問的是台灣的談判紅線在哪裡我們看到日本講得很清楚汽車就是他的談判紅線\n韓國牛肉食安就是他的談判紅線我想問一下國民健康我們的談判紅線是良食安全國民健康就是我們的原則是所以具體的內容呢具體跟美方來談判但是一個基改食品校園會不會放委員我們在現在在談判過程當中那我就念給大家聽吧30月齡以上的美牛進口\n黃牛政的疑慮我們相關的牛血產品跟牛脂違反國際標準這是他們說我們的但我們長期以來不讓這些進入所謂的校園跟軍隊另外就是馬鈴薯還有所謂的萊劑這些都是我們長期以來被美國認為的貿易障礙這一次他有沒有要求把這些放寬\n跟委員報告的確各國都會面對美國希望關稅非關稅貿易障礙的這些談判的範圍那美國每年都會 我要說的是齁院長食品安全這件事情就是讓人民知道 委員是不是讓我可以回答\n因為這些範圍的確是會在談但是我方一定是以這個糧食安全 國民健康為原則然後依據科學的依據然後國民健康 糧食安全\n是我們的原則那我們希望我們在既有的既有的報告委員你剛說的那幾項都是\n美方跟我國以及其他各國重新來一些公開的貿易障礙只是委員我說一句良心話我們在這裡討論這個事情並無助於談判的進行但是我要說的是這是人民會關心的事\n這是人民最關心的為什麼長期以來變成貿易障礙就是因為台灣人民沒有辦法接受在食品上面標示不明我們不知道我們吃了什麼所以我們只要做清楚的標示這長期被美國認為我們做貿易限制這其實是你要去爭取的國民健康 管理制度 糧食安全這些都是我們談判的原則它會長期成為貿易障礙就是因為國內有這樣的壓力\n我要說的是 蘇院長你要把我們的壓力當成你談判的助力而不是一味的把這個東西當成說我要拿去交換的東西我要說的是 這應該是你談判的助力這是國內民眾對這件食品安全最基本的要求如果今天美國真的要我們放什麼我們要知道我們換到了什麼\n謝謝委員的建議我剛剛有重申我們的談判原則那所有談判的結果我們最後一定送大院來審議現在美中貿易談判延到了90天所以我們會不會是因為這樣美國要先跟中國談然後再來跟台灣談美中談判延到11月初我們會不會也因為這樣被耽擱了\n美方的考量我沒有辦法來代表美方說明你覺得他會不會像WTO一樣就是中國先台灣再來理台灣\n我們就是全力以赴院長這是我很擔心的地方美國人可能會拿台灣作為所謂的美中貿易談判裡面最大的棋子我相信我們也一定是一個很重要的棋子第二個部分是他可能拿著我們跟中國談不管是軍事或經濟貿易另外也可能用我們去犧牲掉讓他去換取中國的讓步這一點在台灣我們身為民意代表立場我們必須要很鄭重的跟\n兩位說我覺得國人非常在意這件事我們是一個主權國家的立場跟美國進行談判美國多方的考量他考慮其他的因素這並非我們能夠去主導去影響的但我是希望說對台灣能夠有更合理更好的一個稅率沒錯最後一個問題是在8月23號我們看到一個瘋傳媒的獨家報導\n說台灣的關稅籌碼出爐了而且經濟部的內部資料消息流出來說我們保證市場全面開放台灣企業四年要投資兩千五百億然後我們採購四年之內要投資一千三百億然後還有十年要三千億然後最後我們還要給他四千億的金融服務支持所以院長我看到副院長還是貿易代表有否認這個消息空穴來風還是確有其事\n這些消息未向經紀部查證也未向行政院經貿辦公室查證但是有沒有全面開放市場\n那裡面也有一些資訊跟談判情形有所出入不過因為現在談判還在繼續進行當中那是不是請容我們無法一一的向大院做非常詳細的報告我們也是為了維護最後談判的好的一個結果院長投資美國是不可擋我看全世界不管是日本韓國歐盟都一樣所以投資美國有兩種方法一個是民間一個是國家國家對美採購增加我相信這個也大家都支持軍購的部分\n另外一個是剛剛講不管買美國米買什麼能夠增加你談判的籌碼我相信大部分的國人也可以接受現在的重點是如果我們要大幅投資美國你們接下來上次說的\n謝謝黃委員\n謝謝卓院長下一位我們請羅美玲委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.974 --> 00:13.817\n謝謝主席我請卓院長請卓院長備詢\n\n00:26.598 --> 00:48.948\n郭文豪院長早我想今天都是國人非常關心的有關關稅的專案報告雖然談判還在進行中我也知道你很多事情沒有辦法現在對國人說但是我必須說從4月到現在國人都在等進一步的消息院長你覺得目前為止政府的處置你滿意嗎\n\n00:50.715 --> 01:18.984\n我覺得第一個談判代表團很辛苦再來我們適度的把談判的次數進度向外界講但細節內容到底是有所保留我必須說國人不太滿意啦不滿意的不是說我們談判代表不努力我們都知道這一次川普的關稅他是對著全世界開槍台灣只是其中一個所以沒有辦法怪任何一個人但是他的目標很清楚開放市場\n\n01:19.924 --> 01:45.972\n投資美國講完了所以不做這兩件事就不可能談得好對吧他為了也是要他的貿易赤字還有他的財政政治跟貿易利差沒錯要跟他貿易赤字的無一倖免不管是不是他的盟友包括日本韓國包括所謂的歐盟沒有一個人置身事外所以20加N從8月7號到現在應該還在進行中吧\n\n01:46.810 --> 01:54.764\n所以我們就以緩急急的方式所以他就是一個現在進行對我們對特殊的產業有受到傷害所以我們以緩急急來協助他\n\n01:55.649 --> 02:21.927\n談判代表很努力美國政府沒有辦法達成協議我覺得還是回到一個問題是政府有沒有讓人民安心啊過程裡面我們沒有人說談判代表不努力但是我覺得人民不夠安心尤其是在7月31號副院長在這邊我想我們必須要表達人民對於這件事情的看法7月31號全部的國人引頸期盼等著行政院的回答\n\n02:22.543 --> 02:45.090\n行政院發言人出來說已經在談了而且在寫聯合聲明了我們都覺得很棒啊但是第二天早上起來是突然間發現第一沒有聯合聲明第二不是什麼技術性磋商第三20%就算了過了一天才說28還要加恩這才是今天我剛說國人不滿意的原因\n\n02:46.138 --> 03:05.010\n我們知道川普要什麼可是我們不知道我們的行政團隊是這樣的方式讓國人在過程中竟然是受到這樣的驚嚇院長你了解我的意思嗎7月31號為什麼會發明莫名其妙的聯合聲明呢說聯合聲明正在寫一個天早上沒有\n\n03:06.212 --> 03:32.657\n既有關稅加上對等關稅這個我們早先就講過沒有以這個強調我會覺得要加強那談判的過程請副院長來說一下聯合聲明是隨便亂說的嗎沒有我們的確和美方戳傷了所有相關的技術性議題以及聯合聲明相關的內容有戳傷不是正在寫只是有戳傷但他說的是正在寫\n\n03:34.212 --> 03:38.697\n這件事情我的意思是說行政院必須要對國人說個抱歉因為經過幾輪的談判相關的技術性議題大致的共識也完成行政院發言人這樣說對還是不對\n\n03:55.253 --> 04:18.127\n是對的因為我們的確跟美方進行了聯合聲明的磋商所以第二天在最後一輪的實體磋商當中的確有但最後一天沒有能夠達事實上跟委員報我努力到最後一天所以就是空包燈不是沒有達成共識有兩個原因第一個是美方沒有得以安排美方不同意所以我們只是自己說說不是\n\n04:18.647 --> 04:46.161\n第二美方也有通知我方因為我方的這個逆差結構有九成我只要說這是中華民國政府闖出的最大的笑話啦第二個是第二天才開始吵說20%要不要加N然後看到日本在吵我們才赫然發現我們也要加N然後現在你告訴我們你要去爭取不加N這是對你之前講過了但是全國人民大概只有\n\n04:47.202 --> 05:05.276\n美方希望續談是因為我們聯動232半導體ICT這現象我們在記者會有說明全部的媒體都沒有人知道全部的民眾都沒有人知道就是立法委員不認真所以我們都不知道\n\n05:06.497 --> 05:32.321\n所以以後不要再闖這種笑話了院長我要說的是不要再有這種surprisenosurprise是一個對國人最重要的立場我們非常尊重委員所以我們希望來國會說明我們很早就希望你們來說明了但是民進黨一直擋著不到你們來說明我現在講一次院長我只要求一個nosurprise\n\n05:32.461 --> 05:57.106\n不要發生這類似這樣的意外大家都知道很難談我們都理解但是不要有這種surprise所以安心讓人民很重要很難談所以沒有到那個點上我們真的沒有辦法把那個關鍵講出來所以我現在就要問了我們剛剛很多委員都已經問過了其實我們只是要問三句話第一這個暫時新關稅howlong還有多久\n\n05:58.325 --> 06:04.336\n你們可以做到剛副院長說的九月底美國財政部長說的十月底可以確定這樣的時程嗎\n\n06:06.072 --> 06:28.291\n我們希望越快越好越快越好的確我們在持續推進中一到兩個月之內應該會大勢抵地我們持續推進中那我們也表達了三項目標那希望越快越好那當然這取決於雙方不過我們會全力努力那真正關鍵的因素我剛剛有跟委員讓我說明完就是有關於是半導體供應鏈以及232相關的關稅\n\n06:30.733 --> 06:32.995\n那真的就不要告訴人家說我們在你聯合聲明了啦\n\n06:49.844 --> 07:19.137\n的確有聯合聲明那如果我們達成協議那因為各國達成協議的模式那你們都談完了我希望剛剛講那些時辰全部公佈給大家聽那時候你的聯合聲明長什麼樣如果可以的話到時候都一起公佈把所有時辰講出來那是不是我跟委員來報告美方達成協議的模式有公佈聯合聲明的有公佈白宮事實文件很少啦只有很重要的很大的國家才有正式公佈最開心的還有日本韓國還跟川普一起照相呢\n\n07:19.437 --> 07:44.056\n像前幾天就公布了歐盟的聯合聲明但歐盟是在這個8月1號以前就先宣布達成共識所以他達成共識的方式有多遠我想過程我剛剛講了nosurprise就好了前面讓大家更清楚知道你的過程第二個我要問的是有多少影響剛剛院長報告的是已經有說了多少廠商現在無薪假可能還有多少的影響\n\n07:44.696 --> 07:47.019\n我想問說對於國內的衝擊什麼時候會知道什麼時候會知道現在正在發生的20加N現在的衝擊評估有了嗎\n\n08:01.406 --> 08:21.602\n我們衝擊評估在4月9號我們已經有公布過了而且有各項產品的這個衝擊評估那包含我們在工業的部分特別提到像工具機機械那個報告裡面都有了副院長不要浪費我的時間好嗎下一個我想問一下你們的談判代表\n\n08:22.694 --> 08:30.830\n我們現在看到的是台積電董事長還有黃仁勳都見到川普我們的談判代表到底現在在跟誰談啊\n\n08:32.436 --> 08:57.547\n我们过去几个月我们的谈判对口是美国贸易代表署以及商务部那的确美方我们在谈判最终必须进行总结会议但美方的总结会议的形式也有它不同的设定美方总结会议的形式美方会提出它的一个建议方案会做考量我方也会就这个形式来现在的问题就是可能还有下一个\n\n08:58.527 --> 09:14.948\n我們現在USDR給我們一直以來的所謂的貿易障礙也就剛剛院長說的他們一直要台灣放寬的叫做相關實案的標準以及開放市場最重要要投資美國這個是USDR長期以來對台灣的所謂的\n\n09:17.174 --> 09:28.829\n貿易障礙就是他們美方長期每一年會定期公佈各國的貿易障礙這些我要問的是台灣的談判紅線在哪裡我們看到日本講得很清楚汽車就是他的談判紅線\n\n09:31.669 --> 09:57.496\n韓國牛肉食安就是他的談判紅線我想問一下國民健康我們的談判紅線是良食安全國民健康就是我們的原則是所以具體的內容呢具體跟美方來談判但是一個基改食品校園會不會放委員我們在現在在談判過程當中那我就念給大家聽吧30月齡以上的美牛進口\n\n09:58.779 --> 10:21.912\n黃牛政的疑慮我們相關的牛血產品跟牛脂違反國際標準這是他們說我們的但我們長期以來不讓這些進入所謂的校園跟軍隊另外就是馬鈴薯還有所謂的萊劑這些都是我們長期以來被美國認為的貿易障礙這一次他有沒有要求把這些放寬\n\n10:22.827 --> 10:37.575\n跟委員報告的確各國都會面對美國希望關稅非關稅貿易障礙的這些談判的範圍那美國每年都會我要說的是齁院長食品安全這件事情就是讓人民知道委員是不是讓我可以回答\n\n10:39.369 --> 10:55.171\n因為這些範圍的確是會在談但是我方一定是以這個糧食安全國民健康為原則然後依據科學的依據然後國民健康糧食安全\n\n10:55.712 --> 10:59.558\n是我們的原則那我們希望我們在既有的既有的報告委員你剛說的那幾項都是\n\n11:11.776 --> 11:18.605\n美方跟我國以及其他各國重新來一些公開的貿易障礙只是委員我說一句良心話我們在這裡討論這個事情並無助於談判的進行但是我要說的是這是人民會關心的事\n\n11:28.138 --> 11:53.007\n這是人民最關心的為什麼長期以來變成貿易障礙就是因為台灣人民沒有辦法接受在食品上面標示不明我們不知道我們吃了什麼所以我們只要做清楚的標示這長期被美國認為我們做貿易限制這其實是你要去爭取的國民健康管理制度糧食安全這些都是我們談判的原則它會長期成為貿易障礙就是因為國內有這樣的壓力\n\n11:57.288 --> 12:20.363\n我要說的是蘇院長你要把我們的壓力當成你談判的助力而不是一味的把這個東西當成說我要拿去交換的東西我要說的是這應該是你談判的助力這是國內民眾對這件食品安全最基本的要求如果今天美國真的要我們放什麼我們要知道我們換到了什麼\n\n12:20.883 --> 12:44.102\n謝謝委員的建議我剛剛有重申我們的談判原則那所有談判的結果我們最後一定送大院來審議現在美中貿易談判延到了90天所以我們會不會是因為這樣美國要先跟中國談然後再來跟台灣談美中談判延到11月初我們會不會也因為這樣被耽擱了\n\n12:45.743 --> 12:53.736\n美方的考量我沒有辦法來代表美方說明你覺得他會不會像WTO一樣就是中國先台灣再來理台灣\n\n12:54.878 --> 13:24.248\n我們就是全力以赴院長這是我很擔心的地方美國人可能會拿台灣作為所謂的美中貿易談判裡面最大的棋子我相信我們也一定是一個很重要的棋子第二個部分是他可能拿著我們跟中國談不管是軍事或經濟貿易另外也可能用我們去犧牲掉讓他去換取中國的讓步這一點在台灣我們身為民意代表立場我們必須要很鄭重的跟\n\n13:24.968 --> 13:45.636\n兩位說我覺得國人非常在意這件事我們是一個主權國家的立場跟美國進行談判美國多方的考量他考慮其他的因素這並非我們能夠去主導去影響的但我是希望說對台灣能夠有更合理更好的一個稅率沒錯最後一個問題是在8月23號我們看到一個瘋傳媒的獨家報導\n\n13:47.156 --> 14:15.282\n說台灣的關稅籌碼出爐了而且經濟部的內部資料消息流出來說我們保證市場全面開放台灣企業四年要投資兩千五百億然後我們採購四年之內要投資一千三百億然後還有十年要三千億然後最後我們還要給他四千億的金融服務支持所以院長我看到副院長還是貿易代表有否認這個消息空穴來風還是確有其事\n\n14:16.022 --> 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surprise就好了，前面讓大家更清楚知道你的過程。"],["鄭副院長麗君：不會，我們會完整地跟社會說明。"],["黃委員珊珊：第二個我要問的是有多少影響？剛剛院長報告的時候已經說了，多少廠商在放無薪假，可能還有多少影響，我想問說：對於國內的衝擊什麼時候會知道？"],["鄭副院長麗君：產業衝擊政院這邊各部會都非常努力在……"],["黃委員珊珊：什麼時候會知道？"],["鄭副院長麗君：非常努力在提出方案，但是我們談判的確希望越快越好。"],["黃委員珊珊：現在正在發生的「20+N」，衝擊評估有了嗎？"],["鄭副院長麗君：我們的衝擊評估在4月……"],["黃委員珊珊：現在！進行式的！"],["鄭副院長麗君：有！我們已經有公布了，而且有各項產品的衝擊評估，包含我們在工業的部分特別提到像工具機、機械等的衝擊比較大……"],["黃委員珊珊：這些報告裡面都有了，副院長，不要浪費我的時間好嗎？"],["鄭副院長麗君：農業的部分在蝴蝶蘭……"],["黃委員珊珊：下一個！我想問一下，有關你們的談判代表，我們現在看到的是台積電董事長還有黃仁勳都見到川普，我們的談判代表現在到底在跟誰談啊？跟USTR談？"],["鄭副院長麗君：過去幾個月我們的談判對口是美國貿易代表署及商務部，的確，和美方的談判最終必須進行總結會議，但是美方總結會議的型式也有不同的設定……"],["黃委員珊珊：最後都是川普拍板吧！"],["鄭副院長麗君：有關總結會議的型式，美方會提出他們的建議方案來做考量，我方也會就這個型式來予以協商……"],["黃委員珊珊：現在的問題就是可能還有下一個，USTR一直以來認為我們的貿易障礙，也就是剛剛院長說的，他們一直要臺灣放寬相關的食安標準並開放市場，最重要的是要投資美國，這是USTR長期以來對臺灣所認為的貿易障礙。"],["鄭副院長麗君：這就是NTE，長期以來美方每一年都會定期公布各國的貿易障礙。"],["黃委員珊珊：對！對於這些，我要問的是，臺灣的談判紅線在哪裡？我們看到日本講得很清楚，汽車就是他們的談判紅線，韓國方面，牛肉、食安就是他們的談判紅線。我想問一下……"],["鄭副院長麗君：國民健康……"],["黃委員珊珊：副院長，我們的談判紅線是什麼？"],["鄭副院長麗君：糧食安全、國民健康就是我們的原則，我們會……"],["黃委員珊珊：是，所以具體的內容呢？"],["鄭副院長麗君：我們會依這個原則具體跟美方來談判，但是……"],["黃委員珊珊：第一個，我們現在禁止基改用於校園餐食，這點會不會放？"],["鄭副院長麗君：委員，我們正在談判過程當中，我們……"],["黃委員珊珊：那我就唸給大家聽吧！美國說我們雖然開放30月齡以上的美牛進口，但仍禁部分產品與進行嚴格、不科學的邊境查驗；基於對狂牛症的疑慮，限制進口美國牛血產品與牛脂，違反國際標準，而且我們長期以來不讓這些產品進入校園和軍隊，另外就是馬鈴薯和萊劑的問題。這些都是長期以來我們被美國認為的貿易障礙，這次他們有沒有要求把這些放寬？"],["鄭副院長麗君：跟委員報告，的確，各國都會面對美國希望關稅、非關稅貿易障礙的談判範圍，美方每一年都會……"],["黃委員珊珊：所以我要說的是，院長，食品安全這件事情就是要讓人民知道……"],["鄭副院長麗君：委員是不是讓我可以回答？因為這些範圍……"],["黃委員珊珊：你剛剛已經回答很多了，好嗎？"],["鄭副院長麗君：這些範圍的確會再談判，但是我方一定是以……"],["黃委員珊珊：以人民的安全為原則……"],["鄭副院長麗君：以糧食安全、國民健康為原則……"],["黃委員珊珊：就算要放，我們都要知道你換了什麼！"],["鄭副院長麗君：科學依據、國民健康、糧食安全是我們的原則，我們希望我們在既有的……"],["黃委員珊珊：副院長，在這邊不要講空話啦！院長，我只要說，你要放可以，但是你要告訴我們你換了什麼！"],["卓院長榮泰：報告委員，你剛剛說的……"],["黃委員珊珊：如果你要放，不要讓人民的健康受到犧牲！"],["卓院長榮泰：你剛剛說的這幾項都是美方和我國以及其他各國長期以來……"],["黃委員珊珊：沒錯，都在談……"],["卓院長榮泰：長期以來的一些貿易障礙……"],["鄭副院長麗君：它都會公開貿易障礙的項目。"],["黃委員珊珊：但是我們要知道的是，如果你放，換回什麼？"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，我說一句良心話，我們在這裡討論這個事情並無助於談判的進行，但是我們會謹守我們的原則……"],["黃委員珊珊：是，但是我要說的是，這是人民會關心的事……"],["卓院長榮泰：是，我知道。我們謹守……"],["黃委員珊珊：這是人民最關心的，為什麼長期以來變成貿易障礙？就是因為臺灣人民沒有辦法接受在食品上面標示不明，我們不知道我們吃了什麼……"],["卓院長榮泰：國人健康、糧食安全……"],["黃委員珊珊：所以我們只要做清楚的標示，這長期被美國認為我們做貿易限制的部分，這其實是你要去爭取的。"],["鄭副院長麗君：國民健康、管理制度、糧食安全，這些都是我們談判的原則，但是委員，我在這邊……"],["黃委員珊珊：是，它會長期成為貿易障礙，就是因為國內有這樣的壓力。"],["鄭副院長麗君：希望委員能夠了解……"],["黃委員珊珊：我要說的是，副院長，你要把我們的壓力當成你談判的助力。"],["鄭副院長麗君：了解、了解。"],["黃委員珊珊：而不是一味地把這個東西當成要拿去交換的東西，我要說的是，這應該是你談判的助力，這是國內民眾對食品安全最基本的要求，也是如果今天美國真的要我們放什麼，我們要知道，我們換到了什麼？"],["鄭副院長麗君：謝謝委員的建議，我剛剛有重申我們的談判原則，所有談判的結果，我們最後一定送大院來審議，依照條約締結法……"],["黃委員珊珊：現在美中貿易談判延宕了90天，所以我們會不會是因為這樣，美國要先跟中國談，然後再來跟臺灣談？"],["鄭副院長麗君：美中談判延到11月初……"],["黃委員珊珊：是，我們會不會也因為這樣被耽擱了？"],["鄭副院長麗君：美方的考量，我沒有辦法來代表美方說明，但我方的目標……"],["黃委員珊珊：你覺得它會不會像WTO一樣，就是中國先談完，再來理臺灣？"],["鄭副院長麗君：我們就是全力以赴，但我的確沒有辦法代替美方來回答他的考量。"],["黃委員珊珊：院長，這次我很擔心的地方，美國人可能會拿臺灣作為所謂美中貿易談判裡面最大的棋子，我相信我們也一定是一個很重要的棋子。第二個部分是，他可能拿著我們跟中國談，不管是軍事或經濟貿易，另外也可能用犧牲掉我們，讓他去換取中國的讓步，這一點，在臺灣我們身為民意代表立場，我們必須要很鄭重的跟兩位說，我覺得國人非常在意這件事。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們是一個主權國家的立場跟美國進行談判……"],["黃委員珊珊：是，我們也希望。"],["卓院長榮泰：但美國多方的考量，他考慮其他的因素，這並非我們能夠去主導、去影響的，但我希望對臺灣能夠有更合理、更好的一個稅率。"],["黃委員珊珊：沒錯。最後我有個問題是，在8月23日我們看到一個風傳媒的獨家報導，提到臺灣的關稅籌碼出爐了，而且經濟部的內部資料消息流出，指出我們保證市場全面開放，臺灣企業4年要投資2,500億、對美採購4年之內要投資1,300億，還有10年要達3,000億，最後我們還要給他4,000億的金融服務支持。院長，我看到副院長還是貿易代表有否認，這個消息是空穴來風還是確有其事？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們有否認了。"],["鄭副院長麗君：這些消息未向經濟部查證，也未向行政院經貿辦公室查證。"],["黃委員珊珊：但是有沒有全面開放市場？"],["鄭副院長麗君：裡面也有一些資訊跟談判情形有所出入，不過因為現在談判還在繼續進行當中，是不是請容我們無法一一向大院做非常詳細的報告？我們也是為了維護最後談判的一個好的結果。"],["黃委員珊珊：院長，投資美國勢不可擋，我看全世界不管是日本、韓國、歐盟都一樣，投資美國有兩種方法，一個是民間，一個是國家，國家對美採購增加，我想這個大家也都支持，有關軍購的部分。另外一個是剛剛講的，不管買美國米買什麼，能夠增加你談判的籌碼，我相信大部分的國人也可以接受。現在的重點是，如果我們要大幅投資美國，上次總統說要成立主權基金會不會是接下來你們投資美國的一個方法？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個跟投資美國、不投資美國完全無關。"],["黃委員珊珊：不會拿來做為有關美國投資，成為我們的一個工具？"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有，主權基金考慮到現在我們國家的財政能力，我們有能力往這個方向去想，而且這要非常慎重的逐步進行，絕非在一朝一夕、一年、兩年的事情。"],["黃委員珊珊：好，謝謝院長。"],["主席：謝謝黃委員，謝謝卓院長。","下一位請羅美玲委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":158,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-26","speakers":["江啟臣","吳思瑤","傅崐萁","許宇甄","林倩綺","陳昭姿","王定宇","黃珊珊","羅美玲","鍾佳濱","羅智強","陳冠廷","高金素梅","李坤城","黃健豪","陳亭妃","賴士葆","林岱樺","徐巧芯","何欣純","楊瓊瓔","陳培瑜","牛煦庭"],"page_start":45,"meetingDate":["2025-08-25"],"gazette_id":"1147401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147401_00003","1147401_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第26次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案\n報告並備質詢─詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147401_00003"}}}