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00:01:15,374\n好那請問政府院長在談判團隊到美國是不是有到該到的地方有見到該見的官員有提出保護產業的台灣原則呢這三個有您要不要說明一下有的謝謝因為委員的問題因為過去幾個月談判我們跟貿易代表署經過了四輪的實體談判\n\n4\n00:01:16,434 --> 00:01:36,466\n還有數次的線上會議也跟美國商務部有許多次的視訊跟會晤每一次談判我都有跟貿易代表署Gareer代表以及美國商務部部長London部長實質的會晤進行整體性的溝通也跟貿易代表署各個議題相關的專家團隊進行技術性的磋商\n\n5\n00:01:37,186 --> 00:01:52,594\n所以都有完整該談的該堅持的該建的都有那當然最後沒有達成協議我今天有速度的說明就是最後因為對等跟232我們要一併談這也是後續我們三個目標再降對等爭取不疊加以及232的優惠\n\n6\n00:01:53,935 --> 00:02:11,494\n這個在今天早上的時候三爭取的部分其實這個在卓議員長的回應其實都有打打都有說明好那再來針對這個不實的報導這個是不是鄭重的在向國人澄清一下談判團隊是沒有不當投資\n\n7\n00:02:12,495 --> 00:02:31,756\n沒有喪權入國沒有出賣台積電您要不要說明一下目前在232的部分有關於供應鏈合作跟相關的投資都還在討論當中所以我們也有說明說相關報導沒有跟我們經貿辦以及相關部會來查證\n\n8\n00:02:33,658 --> 00:02:54,554\n那我想在談判過程所有的條件是不是讓談判團隊有空間否則我們也很擔心任何的數字任何的這個都可能會影響談判的結果那您可不可以講個原則那所以我們的原則就是產業利益國民健康糧食安全但攸關供應鏈的合作必須立即互利互補\n\n9\n00:02:55,875 --> 00:03:13,008\n雙贏的這樣的一個戰略目標底下來談台美的供應鏈合作郭院長你可不可以針對這三個原則再說明一下什麼在投資美國的原則是什麼開放農產品的原則是什麼捍衛護國神山的原則又是什麼可不可以說明一下\n\n10\n00:03:13,268 --> 00:03:36,482\n我想美國他自然會要求各國希望開放市場不過我們一定在產業利益國民健康跟糧食安全的原則之上來跟美國進行協商那有關於供應鏈的合作的部分我想台灣的產業的確都在做國際佈局有些企業已經擴大對美投資但我們希望未來的雙方的供應鏈合作能夠互利互補共贏\n\n11\n00:03:37,402 --> 00:03:58,554\n能夠一起壯大產業那有關於這個台積電其實每個公司的投資決策政府基本上是尊重公司的決策那他們是跟客戶結合跟市場技術人才的結合我也必須跟委員來回溯一下其實台積電過去在美國在日本在德國等等各國的投資裡面我們看到\n\n12\n00:03:58,914 --> 00:04:26,012\n他們在國際佈局的同時台灣的半導體產業也在發展那麼2023年突破4.5兆2024年突破5.3兆我們也預期說今年還會再持續成長半導體產業所以我想院長也宣示非常清楚的原則跟流台灣研發創新的核心的關鍵技術在台灣但是政府我們也需要產業有利的國際佈局好本席擔心的是來\n\n13\n00:04:27,493 --> 00:04:52,509\n對美貿易談判不能犧牲傳統產業要請中央拿出對策與決心剛才您的說明還是聚焦在半導體跟資通訊產業二三二條環比對等關稅影響更大民間常聽到的除了最惠國待遇的個位數字的關稅再加上20%的暫時性關稅也就是20加N受衝擊的有汽車零組件石化工具及紡織等產業\n\n14\n00:04:53,510 --> 00:05:16,020\n那對貿易這個影響較大的是232條款所造成的關稅美國總統當然基於他國家的安全這樣的232條款是可對進口產業採取限制措施的例如鋼鐵鋁金屬加工被課徵50%這已經是進行中的正在調查中的半導體晶片人員資通訊產業未來可能會被\n\n15\n00:05:20,922 --> 00:05:44,858\n課300%的關稅好那這樣可以顯然的行政院剛才副院長您的說明其實將半導體資通訊產業當作談判重點這個是已經顯而易見但本席擔憂的是其他產業是否會變成對美談判可犧牲的籌碼呢我想不會這個跟委員報告我們現在是就這個供應鏈合作232併談\n\n16\n00:05:46,579 --> 00:06:09,937\n有共識之後對等關稅就會再降因為我們看到像日韓歐盟拿到比較低的對等關稅在他們跟美國達成對等關稅的協議裡面都同時有爭取到232的優惠也就是雙方在投資跟供應鏈的合作所以我想美方整體看待整個兩國的貿易跟供應鏈的合作所以你的意思就是說絕對\n\n17\n00:06:11,178 --> 00:06:24,054\n所以您的意思是說絕對不會有產業被犧牲當然不會我們要爭取對等再降就是因為對等關稅影響我們很多傳統產業所以這也是我們最重要的目標希望20%的對等關稅再降我就不用通過條例啦5900的條例\n\n18\n00:06:27,959 --> 00:06:42,202\n在經濟部下就有1100多億那包括農業的部分其實也聽你的講法是絕對不會被犧牲的那根本就不需要通過條例我幹嘛還提升到5900億呢除了那5900億的這個條例當中這個因應關稅條例當中所以我才讓你說明這個貿易一定有取有捨\n\n19\n00:06:51,204 --> 00:07:16,078\n那一定有受衝擊受衝擊我就認真的面對嘛你才讓我在目前讓我們尤其在高雄的部分我的傳統產業扣件產業也好相關的這個工具相關的金屬扣件相關的產業當然會害怕農業會不會害怕會呀所以我真的才說好那你要讓他們安心還是照你講的這些完全都不會有受傷害的產業\n\n20\n00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:39,988\n這個認要讓認清我會有哪些衝擊這才是重點啊好那今天的產值重要還是就業人口重要你這邊半導體跟資通信的產業啊這個大概有121萬人口他光是121萬人口就有6兆的產值而傳產我這邊找的傳產是鋼鐵產業上中下游金屬製造石化及相關產業包括農業這樣子受衝擊的產業\n\n21\n00:07:42,689 --> 00:07:51,594\n大概250萬人好這個是這個表格貿易談判需要捨得交換產值較高的科技產業從業人口只有121萬人產值較低的製造業與農業大概250萬人好目前我們談判內容是不是會為了121萬人的這個高科技產業\n\n22\n00:08:05,962 --> 00:08:31,902\n而犧牲了250萬人的這樣的船廠政府有沒有任何的措施讓今天受創級的250萬人受到輔導成為明天的贏家呢好那在財團布局海外的時候船廠是困守孤島嗎既然製造業外移是個趨勢行政院有何這個策略來確保本土研發與製造繼續\n\n23\n00:08:34,845 --> 00:08:53,258\n呃這個本呃與製造呃這本土的研發跟製造呢能夠繼續的保持優勢呢好這邊要提到的我船長會面到三大壓力海外布局是布局是不可能像科技產業這麼容易的第一個我們的船長是缺乏國際化的人才第二個他的資金不夠充裕\n\n24\n00:08:53,658 --> 00:09:16,135\n第三他受天災匯率關稅三重打擊已經無能力來轉型以我北高雄傳產來講我們就流傳一句話沒單啦等死啦接單啦找死啦現在有人房子面臨把拍有人不知道如何對於之前的員工來交代政府是不能坐等資本來申請補助\n\n25\n00:09:18,197 --> 00:09:46,290\n而是要主動下鄉伸出援手搶救養活最多功能的產業好那另外我也會這包括農業的部分美國是農業大國那這個貿易談判當然要達到可能會開放畜牧糧食等那當然這個會有助於降低國內的物價但是農業不只有產糧食自主率的戰略考量還要承載台灣文化記憶與庶民飲食的習慣\n\n26\n00:09:47,310 --> 00:09:54,522\n所以這邊也提醒政府應該要重視就算開放市場也要透過冷鏈物流建設輔導產品的認證來協助農友提升競爭力好在這邊\n\n27\n00:09:59,787 --> 00:10:16,347\n我具體要求兩項第一個受到關稅與匯率雙重影響的南部產業區中央派出政務委員或等同的同等的首長於高雄設置跨部會的單一窗口會同地方政府組成下鄉的服務團主動服務\n\n28\n00:10:18,650 --> 00:10:33,972\n主動服務主動服務我講三次傳統產業跟這個農業的主動服務對接中央補助資源提供融資利息的利率的補貼這一點是重點頭要提供融資利率的補貼\n\n29\n00:10:35,033 --> 00:10:56,015\n那對於這個設備購置的獎勵海外參展的輔導等那第二個要求是對於未來可能受到開放美國進口衝擊的農業對於我高雄的岐山美濃或周遭的地區以工建計畫興建冷鏈物流倉儲中心協助我高雄的東九區北屏東台南三區的\n\n30\n00:10:56,916 --> 00:11:10,656\n農友協調平衡產銷並請農業部跟經濟部合作規劃特色農產出國參展以分散市場的策略來抵消美國關稅針對這兩項的具體要求院長你怎麼看\n\n31\n00:11:11,769 --> 00:11:25,259\n我覺得我們如果設單立窗口是一個很好的建議但是如果需要的話不限於設在哪裡我期待我們現在這次中央政府總共預算的追加預算今年追加預算如果能夠得到大院支持我們試圖把\n\n32\n00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:49,361\n中部南部的各地的我們的服務中心把它強化讓各部會去也增加一些專門針對目前關稅受衝擊業務所需要的部會人員去增加這個服務院長你為什麼特別談到跨部會單一窗口現在有啦經濟部有所謂的下鄉服務團是有但是你就是沒有速發部在裡面\n\n33\n00:11:49,941 --> 00:12:05,448\n好那包括相關的啊這個部會啊他們就是會推來推去只有經濟部有那其他部會沒有加入好這是第一個那第二個呢我們確實也辦了很多說明會那說明聽完完後啊業者還是不傻傻\n\n34\n00:12:05,908 --> 00:12:20,521\n對我中南部業者的這個資源除了資訊不能到位之外通常第一個我們就是不知道有這個價位第二我不會寫第三個寫了也不會過這差不多是通常中南部在針對我中央政府計畫當中的\n\n35\n00:12:22,304 --> 00:12:40,899\n窘境所以我才說主動服務不是只辦了辦了這個說明會你應該到家到府到場的主動告訴人家主動的為他量身地做每一個專屬的他的一個計畫書進而幫他盤點這可能會要花上半年一年的時間就一家\n\n36\n00:12:41,619 --> 00:13:05,160\n之後才這個計畫書才是符合他這個的他的需求的來再跟我們申請因為你們也結合了64個法人講得很好聽啊但是這樣的一個單一窗口我講的單一窗口除了法人的整合包括主動出席到場到戶到家的主動輔導量身地座而不是辦了說明會之後沒事了\n\n37\n00:13:06,162 --> 00:13:28,468\n產業的服務跟支持經濟部為主我們請市長來說明跟委員報告8月7號我們有將一些計畫用以晚計集的方式預算先挪用來做產業的輔導的部分目前來講其實我們海外訂單的補助已經有187家提出申請\n\n38\n00:13:29,288 --> 00:13:47,796\n市長你最好針對我的問題你的說明會你有出席的沒出席的我也參加了好幾場我現在點出的就是問題所以為什麼現在的我們中小企業在南部當中並沒有感受到政府的我一直強調我希望我們的政府是有溫度跟靠山的\n\n39\n00:13:48,476 --> 00:14:05,243\n但是是沒有的看得到吃不到了跟委員報告我們都我們都可以來做專案的協助我們在這個高雄地區的話我們有一些法人他就會直接到我們那個扣件扣件的這個我把問題點給你了那如果呢你沒有在\n\n40\n00:14:05,983 --> 00:14:24,071\n到場到戶到家的主動的而只是純粹的辦說明會而且你的說明會是有限的喔你針對工業區包括一些那個一些協會一些工協會辦完之後就沒有了現在的狀況就是這樣所以這些還是不會寫\n\n41\n00:14:25,892 --> 00:14:40,143\n還是不會寫第一個知不知道有沒有全面明顯知道也沒有我要求他們的單據要用選擇勾選題不要用寫一大堆的單數不要超過兩三張能夠讓大家能夠盡快填好\n\n42\n00:14:40,783 --> 00:14:43,185\n跟委員報告就是我們在第一期的冷鏈計畫其實已經\n\n43\n00:15:08,724 --> 00:15:27,217\n設計了全台灣的區域物流然後我們第二期的冷鏈計畫也是從今年開始所以在特別在高雄的地方我們也在評估一些適合做區域物流中心的部分去做一個這樣的一個興建我們希望說興建一個台灣的整合冷鏈物流網這第一個第二個部分就是說有關於好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5097\t10482\t好 我們有請院長跟副院長請卓院長還有曾副院長備詢議員好\n22898\t48421\t在針對這個談判雖然還在進行當中但是有一些事情還是要跟國做個說明跟澄清三有三沒有三爭取823之後賴清德總統要求行政團隊要傾聽民意及時快速的進行社會溝通那本席就給院長跟副院長一個機會針對台美關稅的談判及時澄清及時回應\n50542\t75374\t好 那請問政府院長在談判團隊到美國是不是有到該到的地方有見到該見的官員有提出保護產業的台灣原則呢這三個有 您要不要說明一下有的 謝謝因為委員的問題因為過去幾個月談判我們跟貿易代表署經過了四輪的實體談判\n76434\t96466\t還有數次的線上會議也跟美國商務部有許多次的視訊跟會晤每一次談判我都有跟貿易代表署Gareer代表以及美國商務部部長London部長實質的會晤進行整體性的溝通也跟貿易代表署各個議題相關的專家團隊進行技術性的磋商\n97186\t112594\t所以都有完整該談的該堅持的該建的都有那當然最後沒有達成協議我今天有速度的說明就是最後因為對等跟232我們要一併談這也是後續我們三個目標再降對等爭取不疊加以及232的優惠\n113935\t131494\t這個在今天早上的時候三爭取的部分其實這個在卓議員長的回應其實都有打打都有說明好那再來針對這個不實的報導這個是不是鄭重的在向國人澄清一下談判團隊是沒有不當投資\n132495\t151756\t沒有喪權入國沒有出賣台積電您要不要說明一下目前在232的部分有關於供應鏈合作跟相關的投資都還在討論當中所以我們也有說明說相關報導沒有跟我們經貿辦以及相關部會來查證\n153658\t174554\t那我想在談判過程所有的條件是不是讓談判團隊有空間否則我們也很擔心任何的數字任何的這個都可能會影響談判的結果那您可不可以講個原則那所以我們的原則就是產業利益 國民健康 糧食安全但攸關供應鏈的合作必須立即互利互補\n175875\t193008\t雙贏的這樣的一個戰略目標底下來談台美的供應鏈合作郭院長你可不可以針對這三個原則再說明一下什麼在投資美國的原則是什麼開放農產品的原則是什麼捍衛護國神山的原則又是什麼可不可以說明一下\n193268\t216482\t我想美國他自然會要求各國希望開放市場不過我們一定在產業利益國民健康跟糧食安全的原則之上來跟美國進行協商那有關於供應鏈的合作的部分我想台灣的產業的確都在做國際佈局有些企業已經擴大對美投資但我們希望未來的雙方的供應鏈合作能夠互利互補共贏\n217402\t238554\t能夠一起壯大產業那有關於這個台積電其實每個公司的投資決策政府基本上是尊重公司的決策那他們是跟客戶結合跟市場技術人才的結合我也必須跟委員來回溯一下其實台積電過去在美國在日本在德國等等各國的投資裡面我們看到\n238914\t266012\t他們在國際佈局的同時台灣的半導體產業也在發展那麼2023年突破4.5兆2024年突破5.3兆我們也預期說今年還會再持續成長半導體產業所以我想院長也宣示非常清楚的原則跟流台灣 研發創新的核心的關鍵技術在台灣但是政府我們也需要產業有利的國際佈局好 本席擔心的是 來\n267493\t292509\t對美貿易談判不能犧牲傳統產業要請中央拿出對策與決心剛才您的說明還是聚焦在半導體跟資通訊產業二三二條環比對等關稅影響更大民間常聽到的除了最惠國待遇的個位數字的關稅再加上20%的暫時性關稅也就是20加N受衝擊的有汽車零組件石化工具及紡織等產業\n293510\t316020\t那對貿易這個影響較大的是232條款所造成的關稅美國總統當然基於他國家的安全這樣的232條款是可對進口產業採取限制措施的例如鋼鐵鋁金屬加工被課徵50%這已經是進行中的正在調查中的半導體晶片人員資通訊產業未來可能會被\n320922\t344858\t課300%的關稅好那這樣可以顯然的行政院剛才副院長您的說明其實將半導體資通訊產業當作談判重點這個是已經顯而易見但本席擔憂的是其他產業是否會變成對美談判可犧牲的籌碼呢我想不會這個跟委員報告我們現在是就這個供應鏈合作232併談\n346579\t369937\t有共識之後對等關稅就會再降因為我們看到像日韓歐盟拿到比較低的對等關稅在他們跟美國達成對等關稅的協議裡面都同時有爭取到232的優惠也就是雙方在投資跟供應鏈的合作所以我想美方整體看待整個兩國的貿易跟供應鏈的合作所以你的意思就是說絕對\n371178\t384054\t所以您的意思是說絕對不會有產業被犧牲當然不會 我們要爭取對等再降就是因為對等關稅影響我們很多傳統產業所以這也是我們最重要的目標希望20%的對等關稅再降我就不用通過條例啦5900的條例\n387959\t402202\t在經濟部下就有1100多億那包括農業的部分其實也聽你的講法是絕對不會被犧牲的那根本就不需要通過條例我幹嘛還提升到5900億呢除了那5900億的這個條例當中這個因應關稅條例當中所以我才讓你說明這個貿易一定有取有捨\n411204\t436078\t那一定有受衝擊受衝擊我就認真的面對嘛你才讓我在目前讓我們尤其在高雄的部分我的傳統產業 扣件產業也好相關的這個工具相關的金屬扣件相關的產業當然會害怕農業會不會害怕 會呀所以我真的才說好那你要讓他們安心還是照你講的這些完全都不會有受傷害的產業\n438520\t459988\t這個認要讓認清我會有哪些衝擊這才是重點啊好那今天的產值重要還是就業人口重要你這邊半導體跟資通信的產業啊這個大概有121萬人口他光是121萬人口就有6兆的產值而傳產我這邊找的傳產是鋼鐵產業上中下游金屬製造石化及相關產業包括農業這樣子受衝擊的產業\n462689\t471594\t大概250萬人好這個是這個表格貿易談判需要捨得交換產值較高的科技產業從業人口只有121萬人產值較低的製造業與農業大概250萬人好目前我們談判內容是不是會為了121萬人的這個高科技產業\n485962\t511902\t而犧牲了250萬人的這樣的船廠政府有沒有任何的措施讓今天受創級的250萬人受到輔導成為明天的贏家呢好那在財團布局海外的時候船廠是困守孤島嗎既然製造業外移是個趨勢行政院有何這個策略來確保本土研發與製造繼續\n514845\t533258\t呃這個本呃與製造呃這本土的研發跟製造呢能夠繼續的保持優勢呢好這邊要提到的我船長會面到三大壓力海外布局是布局是不可能像科技產業這麼容易的第一個我們的船長是缺乏國際化的人才第二個他的資金不夠充裕\n533658\t556135\t第三 他受天災匯率關稅三重打擊 已經無能力來轉型以我北高雄傳產來講 我們就流傳一句話沒單啦 等死啦 接單啦 找死啦現在有人房子面臨把拍有人不知道如何對於之前的員工來交代政府是不能坐等資本來申請補助\n558197\t586290\t而是要主動下鄉伸出援手搶救養活最多功能的產業好那另外我也會這包括農業的部分美國是農業大國那這個貿易談判當然要達到可能會開放畜牧糧食等那當然這個會有助於降低國內的物價但是農業不只有產糧食自主率的戰略考量還要承載台灣文化記憶與庶民飲食的習慣\n587310\t594522\t所以這邊也提醒政府應該要重視就算開放市場也要透過冷鏈物流建設輔導產品的認證來協助農友提升競爭力好在這邊\n599787\t616347\t我具體要求兩項第一個受到關稅與匯率雙重影響的南部產業區中央派出政務委員或等同的同等的首長於高雄設置跨部會的單一窗口會同地方政府組成下鄉的服務團主動服務\n618650\t633972\t主動服務主動服務我講三次傳統產業跟這個農業的主動服務對接中央補助資源提供融資利息的利率的補貼這一點是重點頭要提供融資利率的補貼\n635033\t656015\t那對於這個設備購置的獎勵海外參展的輔導等那第二個要求是對於未來可能受到開放美國進口衝擊的農業對於我高雄的岐山美濃或周遭的地區以工建計畫興建冷鏈物流倉儲中心協助我高雄的東九區北屏東台南三區的\n656916\t670656\t農友協調平衡產銷並請農業部跟經濟部合作規劃特色農產出國參展以分散市場的策略來抵消美國關稅針對這兩項的具體要求院長你怎麼看\n671769\t685259\t我覺得我們如果設單立窗口是一個很好的建議但是如果需要的話不限於設在哪裡我期待我們現在這次中央政府總共預算的追加預算今年追加預算如果能夠得到大院支持我們試圖把\n687320\t709361\t中部南部的各地的我們的服務中心把它強化讓各部會去也增加一些專門針對目前關稅受衝擊業務所需要的部會人員去增加這個服務院長你為什麼特別談到跨部會單一窗口現在有啦經濟部有所謂的下鄉服務團是有但是你就是沒有速發部在裡面\n709941\t725448\t好那包括相關的啊這個部會啊他們就是會推來推去只有經濟部有那其他部會沒有加入好這是第一個那第二個呢我們確實也辦了很多說明會那說明聽完完後啊業者還是不傻傻\n725908\t740521\t對我中南部業者的這個資源除了資訊不能到位之外通常第一個我們就是不知道有這個價位第二 我不會寫第三個寫了也不會過這差不多是通常中南部在針對我中央政府計畫當中的\n742304\t760899\t窘境所以我才說主動服務不是只辦了辦了這個說明會你應該到家到府到場的主動告訴人家主動的為他量身地做每一個專屬的他的一個計畫書進而幫他盤點這可能會要花上半年一年的時間就一家\n761619\t785160\t之後才這個計畫書才是符合他這個的他的需求的來再跟我們申請因為你們也結合了64個法人講得很好聽啊但是這樣的一個單一窗口我講的單一窗口除了法人的整合包括主動出席到場到戶到家的主動輔導量身地座而不是辦了說明會之後沒事了\n786162\t808468\t產業的服務跟支持經濟部為主我們請市長來說明跟委員報告8月7號我們有將一些計畫用以晚計集的方式預算先挪用來做產業的輔導的部分目前來講其實我們海外訂單的補助已經有187家提出申請\n809288\t827796\t市長你最好針對我的問題你的說明會你有出席的沒出席的我也參加了好幾場我現在點出的就是問題所以為什麼現在的我們中小企業在南部當中並沒有感受到政府的我一直強調我希望我們的政府是有溫度跟靠山的\n828476\t845243\t但是是沒有的看得到吃不到了跟委員報告我們都我們都可以來做專案的協助我們在這個高雄地區的話我們有一些法人他就會直接到我們那個扣件扣件的這個我把問題點給你了那如果呢你沒有在\n845983\t864071\t到場到戶到家的主動的而只是純粹的辦說明會而且你的說明會是有限的喔你針對工業區包括一些那個一些協會一些工協會辦完之後就沒有了現在的狀況就是這樣所以這些還是不會寫\n865892\t880143\t還是不會寫第一個知不知道 有沒有全面明顯知道也沒有我要求他們的單據要用選擇勾選題不要用寫一大堆的單數不要超過兩三張能夠讓大家能夠盡快填好\n880783\t883185\t跟委員報告就是我們在第一期的冷鏈計畫其實已經\n908724\t927217\t設計了全台灣的區域物流然後我們第二期的冷鏈計畫也是從今年開始所以在特別在高雄的地方我們也在評估一些適合做區域物流中心的部分去做一個這樣的一個興建我們希望說興建一個台灣的整合冷鏈物流網這第一個第二個部分就是說有關於好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 我們有請院長跟副院長請卓院長還有曾副院長備詢議員好\n在針對這個談判雖然還在進行當中但是有一些事情還是要跟國做個說明跟澄清三有三沒有三爭取823之後賴清德總統要求行政團隊要傾聽民意及時快速的進行社會溝通那本席就給院長跟副院長一個機會針對台美關稅的談判及時澄清及時回應\n好 那請問政府院長在談判團隊到美國是不是有到該到的地方有見到該見的官員有提出保護產業的台灣原則呢這三個有 您要不要說明一下有的 謝謝因為委員的問題因為過去幾個月談判我們跟貿易代表署經過了四輪的實體談判\n還有數次的線上會議也跟美國商務部有許多次的視訊跟會晤每一次談判我都有跟貿易代表署Gareer代表以及美國商務部部長London部長實質的會晤進行整體性的溝通也跟貿易代表署各個議題相關的專家團隊進行技術性的磋商\n所以都有完整該談的該堅持的該建的都有那當然最後沒有達成協議我今天有速度的說明就是最後因為對等跟232我們要一併談這也是後續我們三個目標再降對等爭取不疊加以及232的優惠\n這個在今天早上的時候三爭取的部分其實這個在卓議員長的回應其實都有打打都有說明好那再來針對這個不實的報導這個是不是鄭重的在向國人澄清一下談判團隊是沒有不當投資\n沒有喪權入國沒有出賣台積電您要不要說明一下目前在232的部分有關於供應鏈合作跟相關的投資都還在討論當中所以我們也有說明說相關報導沒有跟我們經貿辦以及相關部會來查證\n那我想在談判過程所有的條件是不是讓談判團隊有空間否則我們也很擔心任何的數字任何的這個都可能會影響談判的結果那您可不可以講個原則那所以我們的原則就是產業利益 國民健康 糧食安全但攸關供應鏈的合作必須立即互利互補\n雙贏的這樣的一個戰略目標底下來談台美的供應鏈合作郭院長你可不可以針對這三個原則再說明一下什麼在投資美國的原則是什麼開放農產品的原則是什麼捍衛護國神山的原則又是什麼可不可以說明一下\n我想美國他自然會要求各國希望開放市場不過我們一定在產業利益國民健康跟糧食安全的原則之上來跟美國進行協商那有關於供應鏈的合作的部分我想台灣的產業的確都在做國際佈局有些企業已經擴大對美投資但我們希望未來的雙方的供應鏈合作能夠互利互補共贏\n能夠一起壯大產業那有關於這個台積電其實每個公司的投資決策政府基本上是尊重公司的決策那他們是跟客戶結合跟市場技術人才的結合我也必須跟委員來回溯一下其實台積電過去在美國在日本在德國等等各國的投資裡面我們看到\n他們在國際佈局的同時台灣的半導體產業也在發展那麼2023年突破4.5兆2024年突破5.3兆我們也預期說今年還會再持續成長半導體產業所以我想院長也宣示非常清楚的原則跟流台灣 研發創新的核心的關鍵技術在台灣但是政府我們也需要產業有利的國際佈局好 本席擔心的是 來\n對美貿易談判不能犧牲傳統產業要請中央拿出對策與決心剛才您的說明還是聚焦在半導體跟資通訊產業二三二條環比對等關稅影響更大民間常聽到的除了最惠國待遇的個位數字的關稅再加上20%的暫時性關稅也就是20加N受衝擊的有汽車零組件石化工具及紡織等產業\n那對貿易這個影響較大的是232條款所造成的關稅美國總統當然基於他國家的安全這樣的232條款是可對進口產業採取限制措施的例如鋼鐵鋁金屬加工被課徵50%這已經是進行中的正在調查中的半導體晶片人員資通訊產業未來可能會被\n課300%的關稅好那這樣可以顯然的行政院剛才副院長您的說明其實將半導體資通訊產業當作談判重點這個是已經顯而易見但本席擔憂的是其他產業是否會變成對美談判可犧牲的籌碼呢我想不會這個跟委員報告我們現在是就這個供應鏈合作232併談\n有共識之後對等關稅就會再降因為我們看到像日韓歐盟拿到比較低的對等關稅在他們跟美國達成對等關稅的協議裡面都同時有爭取到232的優惠也就是雙方在投資跟供應鏈的合作所以我想美方整體看待整個兩國的貿易跟供應鏈的合作所以你的意思就是說絕對\n所以您的意思是說絕對不會有產業被犧牲當然不會 我們要爭取對等再降就是因為對等關稅影響我們很多傳統產業所以這也是我們最重要的目標希望20%的對等關稅再降我就不用通過條例啦5900的條例\n在經濟部下就有1100多億那包括農業的部分其實也聽你的講法是絕對不會被犧牲的那根本就不需要通過條例我幹嘛還提升到5900億呢除了那5900億的這個條例當中這個因應關稅條例當中所以我才讓你說明這個貿易一定有取有捨\n那一定有受衝擊受衝擊我就認真的面對嘛你才讓我在目前讓我們尤其在高雄的部分我的傳統產業 扣件產業也好相關的這個工具相關的金屬扣件相關的產業當然會害怕農業會不會害怕 會呀所以我真的才說好那你要讓他們安心還是照你講的這些完全都不會有受傷害的產業\n這個認要讓認清我會有哪些衝擊這才是重點啊好那今天的產值重要還是就業人口重要你這邊半導體跟資通信的產業啊這個大概有121萬人口他光是121萬人口就有6兆的產值而傳產我這邊找的傳產是鋼鐵產業上中下游金屬製造石化及相關產業包括農業這樣子受衝擊的產業\n大概250萬人好這個是這個表格貿易談判需要捨得交換產值較高的科技產業從業人口只有121萬人產值較低的製造業與農業大概250萬人好目前我們談判內容是不是會為了121萬人的這個高科技產業\n而犧牲了250萬人的這樣的船廠政府有沒有任何的措施讓今天受創級的250萬人受到輔導成為明天的贏家呢好那在財團布局海外的時候船廠是困守孤島嗎既然製造業外移是個趨勢行政院有何這個策略來確保本土研發與製造繼續\n呃這個本呃與製造呃這本土的研發跟製造呢能夠繼續的保持優勢呢好這邊要提到的我船長會面到三大壓力海外布局是布局是不可能像科技產業這麼容易的第一個我們的船長是缺乏國際化的人才第二個他的資金不夠充裕\n第三 他受天災匯率關稅三重打擊 已經無能力來轉型以我北高雄傳產來講 我們就流傳一句話沒單啦 等死啦 接單啦 找死啦現在有人房子面臨把拍有人不知道如何對於之前的員工來交代政府是不能坐等資本來申請補助\n而是要主動下鄉伸出援手搶救養活最多功能的產業好那另外我也會這包括農業的部分美國是農業大國那這個貿易談判當然要達到可能會開放畜牧糧食等那當然這個會有助於降低國內的物價但是農業不只有產糧食自主率的戰略考量還要承載台灣文化記憶與庶民飲食的習慣\n所以這邊也提醒政府應該要重視就算開放市場也要透過冷鏈物流建設輔導產品的認證來協助農友提升競爭力好在這邊\n我具體要求兩項第一個受到關稅與匯率雙重影響的南部產業區中央派出政務委員或等同的同等的首長於高雄設置跨部會的單一窗口會同地方政府組成下鄉的服務團主動服務\n主動服務主動服務我講三次傳統產業跟這個農業的主動服務對接中央補助資源提供融資利息的利率的補貼這一點是重點頭要提供融資利率的補貼\n那對於這個設備購置的獎勵海外參展的輔導等那第二個要求是對於未來可能受到開放美國進口衝擊的農業對於我高雄的岐山美濃或周遭的地區以工建計畫興建冷鏈物流倉儲中心協助我高雄的東九區北屏東台南三區的\n農友協調平衡產銷並請農業部跟經濟部合作規劃特色農產出國參展以分散市場的策略來抵消美國關稅針對這兩項的具體要求院長你怎麼看\n我覺得我們如果設單立窗口是一個很好的建議但是如果需要的話不限於設在哪裡我期待我們現在這次中央政府總共預算的追加預算今年追加預算如果能夠得到大院支持我們試圖把\n中部南部的各地的我們的服務中心把它強化讓各部會去也增加一些專門針對目前關稅受衝擊業務所需要的部會人員去增加這個服務院長你為什麼特別談到跨部會單一窗口現在有啦經濟部有所謂的下鄉服務團是有但是你就是沒有速發部在裡面\n好那包括相關的啊這個部會啊他們就是會推來推去只有經濟部有那其他部會沒有加入好這是第一個那第二個呢我們確實也辦了很多說明會那說明聽完完後啊業者還是不傻傻\n對我中南部業者的這個資源除了資訊不能到位之外通常第一個我們就是不知道有這個價位第二 我不會寫第三個寫了也不會過這差不多是通常中南部在針對我中央政府計畫當中的\n窘境所以我才說主動服務不是只辦了辦了這個說明會你應該到家到府到場的主動告訴人家主動的為他量身地做每一個專屬的他的一個計畫書進而幫他盤點這可能會要花上半年一年的時間就一家\n之後才這個計畫書才是符合他這個的他的需求的來再跟我們申請因為你們也結合了64個法人講得很好聽啊但是這樣的一個單一窗口我講的單一窗口除了法人的整合包括主動出席到場到戶到家的主動輔導量身地座而不是辦了說明會之後沒事了\n產業的服務跟支持經濟部為主我們請市長來說明跟委員報告8月7號我們有將一些計畫用以晚計集的方式預算先挪用來做產業的輔導的部分目前來講其實我們海外訂單的補助已經有187家提出申請\n市長你最好針對我的問題你的說明會你有出席的沒出席的我也參加了好幾場我現在點出的就是問題所以為什麼現在的我們中小企業在南部當中並沒有感受到政府的我一直強調我希望我們的政府是有溫度跟靠山的\n但是是沒有的看得到吃不到了跟委員報告我們都我們都可以來做專案的協助我們在這個高雄地區的話我們有一些法人他就會直接到我們那個扣件扣件的這個我把問題點給你了那如果呢你沒有在\n到場到戶到家的主動的而只是純粹的辦說明會而且你的說明會是有限的喔你針對工業區包括一些那個一些協會一些工協會辦完之後就沒有了現在的狀況就是這樣所以這些還是不會寫\n還是不會寫第一個知不知道 有沒有全面明顯知道也沒有我要求他們的單據要用選擇勾選題不要用寫一大堆的單數不要超過兩三張能夠讓大家能夠盡快填好\n跟委員報告就是我們在第一期的冷鏈計畫其實已經\n設計了全台灣的區域物流然後我們第二期的冷鏈計畫也是從今年開始所以在特別在高雄的地方我們也在評估一些適合做區域物流中心的部分去做一個這樣的一個興建我們希望說興建一個台灣的整合冷鏈物流網這第一個第二個部分就是說有關於好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.097 --> 00:10.482\n好我們有請院長跟副院長請卓院長還有曾副院長備詢議員好\n\n00:22.898 --> 00:48.421\n在針對這個談判雖然還在進行當中但是有一些事情還是要跟國做個說明跟澄清三有三沒有三爭取823之後賴清德總統要求行政團隊要傾聽民意及時快速的進行社會溝通那本席就給院長跟副院長一個機會針對台美關稅的談判及時澄清及時回應\n\n00:50.542 --> 01:15.374\n好那請問政府院長在談判團隊到美國是不是有到該到的地方有見到該見的官員有提出保護產業的台灣原則呢這三個有您要不要說明一下有的謝謝因為委員的問題因為過去幾個月談判我們跟貿易代表署經過了四輪的實體談判\n\n01:16.434 --> 01:36.466\n還有數次的線上會議也跟美國商務部有許多次的視訊跟會晤每一次談判我都有跟貿易代表署Gareer代表以及美國商務部部長London部長實質的會晤進行整體性的溝通也跟貿易代表署各個議題相關的專家團隊進行技術性的磋商\n\n01:37.186 --> 01:52.594\n所以都有完整該談的該堅持的該建的都有那當然最後沒有達成協議我今天有速度的說明就是最後因為對等跟232我們要一併談這也是後續我們三個目標再降對等爭取不疊加以及232的優惠\n\n01:53.935 --> 02:11.494\n這個在今天早上的時候三爭取的部分其實這個在卓議員長的回應其實都有打打都有說明好那再來針對這個不實的報導這個是不是鄭重的在向國人澄清一下談判團隊是沒有不當投資\n\n02:12.495 --> 02:31.756\n沒有喪權入國沒有出賣台積電您要不要說明一下目前在232的部分有關於供應鏈合作跟相關的投資都還在討論當中所以我們也有說明說相關報導沒有跟我們經貿辦以及相關部會來查證\n\n02:33.658 --> 02:54.554\n那我想在談判過程所有的條件是不是讓談判團隊有空間否則我們也很擔心任何的數字任何的這個都可能會影響談判的結果那您可不可以講個原則那所以我們的原則就是產業利益國民健康糧食安全但攸關供應鏈的合作必須立即互利互補\n\n02:55.875 --> 03:13.008\n雙贏的這樣的一個戰略目標底下來談台美的供應鏈合作郭院長你可不可以針對這三個原則再說明一下什麼在投資美國的原則是什麼開放農產品的原則是什麼捍衛護國神山的原則又是什麼可不可以說明一下\n\n03:13.268 --> 03:36.482\n我想美國他自然會要求各國希望開放市場不過我們一定在產業利益國民健康跟糧食安全的原則之上來跟美國進行協商那有關於供應鏈的合作的部分我想台灣的產業的確都在做國際佈局有些企業已經擴大對美投資但我們希望未來的雙方的供應鏈合作能夠互利互補共贏\n\n03:37.402 --> 03:58.554\n能夠一起壯大產業那有關於這個台積電其實每個公司的投資決策政府基本上是尊重公司的決策那他們是跟客戶結合跟市場技術人才的結合我也必須跟委員來回溯一下其實台積電過去在美國在日本在德國等等各國的投資裡面我們看到\n\n03:58.914 --> 04:26.012\n他們在國際佈局的同時台灣的半導體產業也在發展那麼2023年突破4.5兆2024年突破5.3兆我們也預期說今年還會再持續成長半導體產業所以我想院長也宣示非常清楚的原則跟流台灣研發創新的核心的關鍵技術在台灣但是政府我們也需要產業有利的國際佈局好本席擔心的是來\n\n04:27.493 --> 04:52.509\n對美貿易談判不能犧牲傳統產業要請中央拿出對策與決心剛才您的說明還是聚焦在半導體跟資通訊產業二三二條環比對等關稅影響更大民間常聽到的除了最惠國待遇的個位數字的關稅再加上20%的暫時性關稅也就是20加N受衝擊的有汽車零組件石化工具及紡織等產業\n\n04:53.510 --> 05:16.020\n那對貿易這個影響較大的是232條款所造成的關稅美國總統當然基於他國家的安全這樣的232條款是可對進口產業採取限制措施的例如鋼鐵鋁金屬加工被課徵50%這已經是進行中的正在調查中的半導體晶片人員資通訊產業未來可能會被\n\n05:20.922 --> 05:44.858\n課300%的關稅好那這樣可以顯然的行政院剛才副院長您的說明其實將半導體資通訊產業當作談判重點這個是已經顯而易見但本席擔憂的是其他產業是否會變成對美談判可犧牲的籌碼呢我想不會這個跟委員報告我們現在是就這個供應鏈合作232併談\n\n05:46.579 --> 06:09.937\n有共識之後對等關稅就會再降因為我們看到像日韓歐盟拿到比較低的對等關稅在他們跟美國達成對等關稅的協議裡面都同時有爭取到232的優惠也就是雙方在投資跟供應鏈的合作所以我想美方整體看待整個兩國的貿易跟供應鏈的合作所以你的意思就是說絕對\n\n06:11.178 --> 06:24.054\n所以您的意思是說絕對不會有產業被犧牲當然不會我們要爭取對等再降就是因為對等關稅影響我們很多傳統產業所以這也是我們最重要的目標希望20%的對等關稅再降我就不用通過條例啦5900的條例\n\n06:27.959 --> 06:42.202\n在經濟部下就有1100多億那包括農業的部分其實也聽你的講法是絕對不會被犧牲的那根本就不需要通過條例我幹嘛還提升到5900億呢除了那5900億的這個條例當中這個因應關稅條例當中所以我才讓你說明這個貿易一定有取有捨\n\n06:51.204 --> 07:16.078\n那一定有受衝擊受衝擊我就認真的面對嘛你才讓我在目前讓我們尤其在高雄的部分我的傳統產業扣件產業也好相關的這個工具相關的金屬扣件相關的產業當然會害怕農業會不會害怕會呀所以我真的才說好那你要讓他們安心還是照你講的這些完全都不會有受傷害的產業\n\n07:18.520 --> 07:39.988\n這個認要讓認清我會有哪些衝擊這才是重點啊好那今天的產值重要還是就業人口重要你這邊半導體跟資通信的產業啊這個大概有121萬人口他光是121萬人口就有6兆的產值而傳產我這邊找的傳產是鋼鐵產業上中下游金屬製造石化及相關產業包括農業這樣子受衝擊的產業\n\n07:42.689 --> 07:51.594\n大概250萬人好這個是這個表格貿易談判需要捨得交換產值較高的科技產業從業人口只有121萬人產值較低的製造業與農業大概250萬人好目前我們談判內容是不是會為了121萬人的這個高科技產業\n\n08:05.962 --> 08:31.902\n而犧牲了250萬人的這樣的船廠政府有沒有任何的措施讓今天受創級的250萬人受到輔導成為明天的贏家呢好那在財團布局海外的時候船廠是困守孤島嗎既然製造業外移是個趨勢行政院有何這個策略來確保本土研發與製造繼續\n\n08:34.845 --> 08:53.258\n呃這個本呃與製造呃這本土的研發跟製造呢能夠繼續的保持優勢呢好這邊要提到的我船長會面到三大壓力海外布局是布局是不可能像科技產業這麼容易的第一個我們的船長是缺乏國際化的人才第二個他的資金不夠充裕\n\n08:53.658 --> 09:16.135\n第三他受天災匯率關稅三重打擊已經無能力來轉型以我北高雄傳產來講我們就流傳一句話沒單啦等死啦接單啦找死啦現在有人房子面臨把拍有人不知道如何對於之前的員工來交代政府是不能坐等資本來申請補助\n\n09:18.197 --> 09:46.290\n而是要主動下鄉伸出援手搶救養活最多功能的產業好那另外我也會這包括農業的部分美國是農業大國那這個貿易談判當然要達到可能會開放畜牧糧食等那當然這個會有助於降低國內的物價但是農業不只有產糧食自主率的戰略考量還要承載台灣文化記憶與庶民飲食的習慣\n\n09:47.310 --> 09:54.522\n所以這邊也提醒政府應該要重視就算開放市場也要透過冷鏈物流建設輔導產品的認證來協助農友提升競爭力好在這邊\n\n09:59.787 --> 10:16.347\n我具體要求兩項第一個受到關稅與匯率雙重影響的南部產業區中央派出政務委員或等同的同等的首長於高雄設置跨部會的單一窗口會同地方政府組成下鄉的服務團主動服務\n\n10:18.650 --> 10:33.972\n主動服務主動服務我講三次傳統產業跟這個農業的主動服務對接中央補助資源提供融資利息的利率的補貼這一點是重點頭要提供融資利率的補貼\n\n10:35.033 --> 10:56.015\n那對於這個設備購置的獎勵海外參展的輔導等那第二個要求是對於未來可能受到開放美國進口衝擊的農業對於我高雄的岐山美濃或周遭的地區以工建計畫興建冷鏈物流倉儲中心協助我高雄的東九區北屏東台南三區的\n\n10:56.916 --> 11:10.656\n農友協調平衡產銷並請農業部跟經濟部合作規劃特色農產出國參展以分散市場的策略來抵消美國關稅針對這兩項的具體要求院長你怎麼看\n\n11:11.769 --> 11:25.259\n我覺得我們如果設單立窗口是一個很好的建議但是如果需要的話不限於設在哪裡我期待我們現在這次中央政府總共預算的追加預算今年追加預算如果能夠得到大院支持我們試圖把\n\n11:27.320 --> 11:49.361\n中部南部的各地的我們的服務中心把它強化讓各部會去也增加一些專門針對目前關稅受衝擊業務所需要的部會人員去增加這個服務院長你為什麼特別談到跨部會單一窗口現在有啦經濟部有所謂的下鄉服務團是有但是你就是沒有速發部在裡面\n\n11:49.941 --> 12:05.448\n好那包括相關的啊這個部會啊他們就是會推來推去只有經濟部有那其他部會沒有加入好這是第一個那第二個呢我們確實也辦了很多說明會那說明聽完完後啊業者還是不傻傻\n\n12:05.908 --> 12:20.521\n對我中南部業者的這個資源除了資訊不能到位之外通常第一個我們就是不知道有這個價位第二我不會寫第三個寫了也不會過這差不多是通常中南部在針對我中央政府計畫當中的\n\n12:22.304 --> 12:40.899\n窘境所以我才說主動服務不是只辦了辦了這個說明會你應該到家到府到場的主動告訴人家主動的為他量身地做每一個專屬的他的一個計畫書進而幫他盤點這可能會要花上半年一年的時間就一家\n\n12:41.619 --> 13:05.160\n之後才這個計畫書才是符合他這個的他的需求的來再跟我們申請因為你們也結合了64個法人講得很好聽啊但是這樣的一個單一窗口我講的單一窗口除了法人的整合包括主動出席到場到戶到家的主動輔導量身地座而不是辦了說明會之後沒事了\n\n13:06.162 --> 13:28.468\n產業的服務跟支持經濟部為主我們請市長來說明跟委員報告8月7號我們有將一些計畫用以晚計集的方式預算先挪用來做產業的輔導的部分目前來講其實我們海外訂單的補助已經有187家提出申請\n\n13:29.288 --> 13:47.796\n市長你最好針對我的問題你的說明會你有出席的沒出席的我也參加了好幾場我現在點出的就是問題所以為什麼現在的我們中小企業在南部當中並沒有感受到政府的我一直強調我希望我們的政府是有溫度跟靠山的\n\n13:48.476 --> 14:05.243\n但是是沒有的看得到吃不到了跟委員報告我們都我們都可以來做專案的協助我們在這個高雄地區的話我們有一些法人他就會直接到我們那個扣件扣件的這個我把問題點給你了那如果呢你沒有在\n\n14:05.983 --> 14:24.071\n到場到戶到家的主動的而只是純粹的辦說明會而且你的說明會是有限的喔你針對工業區包括一些那個一些協會一些工協會辦完之後就沒有了現在的狀況就是這樣所以這些還是不會寫\n\n14:25.892 --> 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Lutnick部長實質會晤，進行整體性的溝通，也跟貿易代表署各個議題相關的專家團隊進行技術性磋商。"],["林委員岱樺：好。"],["鄭副院長麗君：所以都有完整，該談的、該堅持的、該見的都有。當然最後沒有達成協議，我今天有數度說明，就是最後因為對等跟232我們要一併談，這也是後續我們的三個目標，再降對等、爭取不疊加以及232的優惠一併討論。"],["林委員岱樺：今天早上「3爭取」的部分，這個在卓院長的回應中其實都有談到……"],["鄭副院長麗君：對。"],["林委員岱樺：都有說明。","再來，針對不實的報導，是不是鄭重地再向國人澄清一下談判團隊是沒有不當投資、沒有喪權辱國、沒有出賣台積電，您要不要說明一下呢？"],["鄭副院長麗君：目前在232的部分，有關於供應鏈合作跟相關的投資都還在討論當中，所以我們也有說明，相關報導沒有跟我們經貿辦以及相關部會查證，我想談判過程所有的條件，是不是讓談判團隊有空間？否則我們也很擔心任何的數字、任何的……這個都可能會影響談判的結果，因為這是一個變動的過程。"],["林委員岱樺：好，那你可不可以再講個原則……"],["鄭副院長麗君：所以我們的原則就是產業利益、國民健康、糧食安全，但攸關供應鏈的合作，必須立基於互利、互補、雙贏這樣一個戰略目標底下來談臺美的供應鏈合作。"],["林委員岱樺：好，副院長，你可不可以針對這三個原則再說明一下，投資美國的原則是什麼？開放農產品的原則是什麼？捍衛護國神山的原則又是什麼？可不可以說明一下？"],["鄭副院長麗君：我想美國自然會要求希望各國開放市場，不過我們一定在產業利益、國民健康跟糧食安全的原則之上跟美國進行協商。","有關於供應鏈的合作部分，我想臺灣的產業的確也都在做國際布局，有些企業已經擴大對美投資，但我們希望未來雙方的供應鏈合作能夠互利、互補、共贏，能夠一起壯大產業。","有關於台積電，其實每個公司的投資決策，政府基本上是尊重公司的決策，他們是跟客戶結合、跟市場技術、人才的結合。我也必須來跟委員回溯一下，其實台積電過去在美國、在日本、在德國等等各國的投資裡面，我們看到他們在國際布局的同時，臺灣的半導體產業也在發展，2023年突破4.5兆、2024年突破5.3兆，我們也預期今年半導體產業還會再持續成長。所以我想院長也宣示非常清楚的原則，根留臺灣，研發創新的核心關鍵技術在臺灣，但是政府也協助產業有利的國際布局。"],["林委員岱樺：你再怎麼講都講到資通訊跟半導體產業！本席擔心的是，對美貿易談判不能犧牲傳統產業，要請中央拿出對策與決心。剛才您的說明還是聚焦在半導體和資通訊產業，232條款比對等關稅影響更大。民間常聽到的除了最惠國待遇個位數關稅再加上20%的暫時性關稅，也就是「20+N」，受衝擊的有汽車、零組件、石化、工具機、紡織等產業，對貿易影響較大的是232條款所造成的關稅。美國總統當然基於他的國家安全，這樣的232條款是可對進口產品採取限制措施的，例如鋼鐵、鋁、金屬加工被課徵50%，這已經是進行中的，正在調查中的半導體、晶片、能源、資通訊產業未來可能會被課300%的關稅。副院長剛才的說明將半導體、資通訊產業當做談判重點已經顯而易見，但本席擔憂的是，其他產業是否會變成對美談判可犧牲的籌碼？"],["鄭副院長麗君：我想不會！跟委員報告，我們現在是就供應鏈合作和232併談，有共識之後，對等關稅就會再降。因為我們看到像日、韓、歐盟拿到比較低的對等關稅，在他們跟美國達成的對等關稅協議裡面，都同時有爭取到232的優惠，也就是雙方在投資和供應鏈的合作，所以我想美方是整體看待兩國貿易和供應鏈的合作，因此我們希望在未來……"],["林委員岱樺：所以你的意思是絕對不會有產業被犧牲？"],["鄭副院長麗君：當然不會！我們要爭取對等關稅再降，就是因為對等關稅影響我們很多傳統產業，所以這也是我們最重要的目標，希望20%的對等關稅再降。"],["林委員岱樺：那我就不需要通過條例了啊！5,900億的條例在經濟部下就有一千一百多億，包括農業的部分，聽你的講法是絕對不會被犧牲的，所以根本就不需要通過條例，幹嘛還提升到5,900億呢？那5,900億當中，除了因應關稅……","所以我才讓你說明。貿易一定有取有捨，一定有受衝擊的，受衝擊的我們就認真地面對嘛！尤其在高雄的部分，我們的傳統產業扣件產業也好，相關的工具、相關的金屬扣件等等，相關的產業當然會害怕啊！農業會不會害怕？會啊！所以我才說，好，你要讓他們安心！還是像你講的，完全不會有受傷害的產業？要認清會有哪些衝擊，這才是重點啦！","好，今天是產值重要還是就業人口重要？半導體和資通訊產業大概有121萬就業人口，光是這121萬就業人口，就有6兆的產值，而傳統產業包括鋼鐵產業上中下游、金屬製造、石化及相關產業，加上農業，這些受衝擊產業的就業人口大概有250萬人。貿易談判需要捨得交換，產值較高的科技產業從業人口只有121萬人，產值較低的製造業與農業大概有250萬人，請問目前我們的談判內容是不是會為了121萬人的高科技產業，而犧牲250萬人的傳產？政府有沒有任何措施讓今天受衝擊的250萬人接受輔導，成為明天的贏家呢？財團布局海外的時候，傳產是困守孤島嗎？既然製造業外移是一個趨勢，行政院有何策略確保本土研發與製造能夠繼續保持優勢？","本席要提到傳統產業面臨三大壓力，所以海外布局不可能像科技產業那麼容易，第一個，我們的傳產缺乏國際化人才，第二個，它的資金不夠充裕；第三，它受天災、匯率、關稅三重打擊，已經沒有能力轉型。以北高雄的傳產來講，我們就流傳一句話：沒單等死、接單找死。現在有人房子面臨法拍、有人不知道如何對資遣員工交代。政府不能坐等紙本申請補助，而是要主動下鄉，伸出援手，搶救養活最多工人的產業。","另外，包括農業的部分，美國是農業大國，貿易談判要達成，可能會開放畜牧、糧食等農產品，當然這會有助於降低國內的物價，但是農業不只有糧食自給率的戰略考量，還要承載臺灣文化記憶與庶民飲食習慣。所以這邊也提醒政府應該要重視，就算開放市場，也要透過冷鏈物流建設、輔導產品的認證，協助農友提升競爭力。","在這邊我具體要求兩項，第一個，受到關稅與匯率雙重影響的南部產業，請中央派出政務委員或同等首長，於高雄設置「跨部會專一窗口」，會同地方政府組成下鄉的服務團，主動服務、主動服務、主動服務，我講三次。傳統產業跟農業的主動服務，對接中央補助資源，提供融資利率的補貼，這一點是重點，首要是提供融資利率的補貼，以及對於設備購置的獎勵、海外參展的輔導等。第二個要求是，對於未來可能受到開放美國進口衝擊的農業，對於我高雄的旗山、美濃或周遭的地區，以公建計畫興建冷鏈物流倉儲中心，協助我高雄的東九區、北屏東、臺南三區的農友，協調平衡產銷，並請農業部跟經濟部合作，規劃特色農產出國參展，以分散市場的策略來抵銷美國關稅影響。針對這兩項的具體要求，院長您怎麼看呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：我覺得我們如果設單一窗口是一個很好的建議，但是如果需要，不限於設在哪裡，我期待這次中央政府總預算的追加預算，今年的追加預算如果能夠得到大院支持，我們試圖把北部、中部、南部等各地服務中心強化，讓各部會去，也增加一些專門針對目前關稅受衝擊業務所需要的部會人員，去增加這個服務。"],["林委員岱樺：院長，我為什麼特別談到跨部會單一窗口，現在經濟部有所謂的下鄉服務團，是有的，但是就是沒有數發部在裡面，包括相關的部會，他們就是會推來推去，只有經濟部有，其他部會沒有加入，這是第一個。第二個，我們確實也辦了很多說明會，說明會聽完之後，業者還是「霧煞煞」，對我中南部業者的資源，除了資訊不能到位之外，通常第一個，我們就是不知道有這個計畫；第二個，我不會寫；第三個，寫了也不會過。這差不多通常是中南部在針對中央政府計畫當中的窘境，所以我才說「主動服務」，不是只辦了說明會，你應該到家、到府、到場主動告訴人家，主動為他量身定做每一個專屬他的計畫書，進而幫他盤點，就一家可能都快要花上半年、一年的時間，之後這個計畫書才是符合他的需求，再來跟我們申請，因為你們也結合了64個法人，講得很好聽，但是這樣的一個單一窗口，我講的單一窗口，除了法人的整合，包括主動出席、到場、到戶、到家的主動輔導，量身定做，而不是辦了說明會之後就沒事了。"],["卓院長榮泰：產業的服務跟支持是以經濟部為主，我們請次長說明。"],["何次長晉滄：跟委員報告，8月7日我們有將一些計畫用移緩濟急的方式，預算先挪用來做產業的輔導，目前來講，其實我們海外訂單的補助已經有187家提出申請，而且研發補助也有……"],["林委員岱樺：次長，你最好針對我的問題，你的說明會中，你有出席的、沒出席的，我也參加了好幾場，我現在點出的就是問題，所以為什麼現在我們在南部的中小企業是沒有感受到政府的，我一直強調，我希望我們的政府是有溫度跟靠山的，但是是沒有的，看得到吃不到。"],["何次長晉滄：有，跟委員報告，我們都可以來做專案協助。"],["鄭副院長麗君：現在都在受理。"],["何次長晉滄：我們在高雄地區，有一些法人就會直接到我們扣件的公會……"],["林委員岱樺：好，我把問題點給你了，如果你沒有到場、到戶、到家主動的協助，而只是純粹的辦說明會，而且你的說明會是有限的，你是針對工業區包括一些協會、一些公協會，辦完之後就沒有了，現在的狀況就是這樣，所以這些還是不會寫，還是不會寫，第一個，有沒有全面性知道，也沒有……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們來檢討，我要求他們的單據要用選擇的、用勾選題，不要用寫一大堆的，單數不要超過兩、三張，讓大家能夠儘快填好，這個都一定要徹底做到。"],["林委員岱樺：好，院長，你做了指示，也要主動到任何的百工百業，包括服務業、農企業一樣。","再來，針對以公建計畫興建冷鏈物流倉儲中心，協助我高雄東九區，包括旗山、美濃等地區，以及在他們出國參展上給予支持，部長，你怎麼說呢？"],["陳部長駿季：跟委員報告，我們第一期的冷鏈計畫，其實已經設計了全臺灣的區域物流，然後第二期的冷鏈計畫也是從今年開始，特別在高雄地區，我們也在評估一些適合做區域物流中心的地方去做這樣的興建，我們希望興建一個臺灣的整個冷鏈物流網，這是第一個。第二個，有關於農產品參展的部分，已經列在我們的支持方案裡去做了。"],["林委員岱樺：好，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝林委員，謝謝卓院長跟副院長。","報告院會，休息10分鐘，休息之後，繼續進行質詢。","現在休息。","休息（15時51分）","繼續開會（16時2分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":158,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-26","speakers":["江啟臣","吳思瑤","傅崐萁","許宇甄","林倩綺","陳昭姿","王定宇","黃珊珊","羅美玲","鍾佳濱","羅智強","陳冠廷","高金素梅","李坤城","黃健豪","陳亭妃","賴士葆","林岱樺","徐巧芯","何欣純","楊瓊瓔","陳培瑜","牛煦庭"],"page_start":45,"meetingDate":["2025-08-25"],"gazette_id":"1147401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147401_00003","1147401_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第26次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案\n報告並備質詢─詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147401_00003"}}}