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00:01:04,309\n我說今天我們來這裡報告是一個月以前就排定的時間我要問的是在賴清的總統的宣誓之後你認為朝野協商我們這樣子的對話需不需要我們縣我們行政院跟在野黨的協商跟溝通的管道跟方式需不需要有所改變\n\n4\n00:01:05,149 --> 00:01:25,040\n我們調整財政體質調整兩院互動調整這個施政順序調整內閣人士那賴清德總統說調整的順序第一個就是經濟優先那我想當然也包含台美關稅民生若是青年優先那請問一下我們卓內閣之前的優先訊是什麼第一優先是什麼\n\n5\n00:01:27,085 --> 00:01:44,878\n去年520來的時候總統要求的第一個就是經濟發展不對喔不對喔劉慶德總統說要調整順序要調整的意思代表什麼代表本來不是嘛所以你現在告訴我說第一個順序叫做經濟那既然第一個順序叫做經濟那現在要調整什麼嘛\n\n6\n00:01:45,560 --> 00:02:03,096\n就讓我們經濟體質更好要調整得更好所以只不過是本來不夠好所以要更好那不算什麼調整嘛那第二個順序是什麼第二個順序是什麼來第二個順序是什麼卓內閣的第二個優先順序你施政順序的第二個是什麼\n\n7\n00:02:03,777 --> 00:02:22,008\n你說總統說的你說的我在問你啊我說總統要求我們第一個就是經濟發展我說的是在8.23之前不要浪費我的時間好那總之賴清德總統強調呢要改變行政跟立法的互動但是呢我們可以看到今天質詢我覺得沒有任何的改變啊\n\n8\n00:02:22,648 --> 00:02:42,307\n跟823以前完全沒有不一樣啊你採納了哪一個在野黨的立委的意見呢賴清的俗話你根本沒有在聽嘛比方說賴清的總統有沒有講四個優先有青年優先有沒有有沒有嘛你不要一直浪費我的時間嘛四個優先你該不會沒有去看那場記者會吧\n\n9\n00:02:43,459 --> 00:03:11,716\n我們未來在他講的第四個優先就是青年優先沒有什麼未不未來結果行政院隔天拿財化法去綁架小學生啊不讓他們喝水缺冷氣用點拿小學生開刀對嗎財化法各個縣市都已經有去投入他們的整個規劃也行政院相關的一定都知道講過很多次了例如台北市2500多億要投入捷運要蓋社會住宅改善交通興建醫療場所\n\n10\n00:03:13,297 --> 00:03:33,785\n你可以跟地方政府溝通啊不是溝通是823當天賴清德總統講的嗎結果你有沒有跟各縣市溝通就直接開刀要綁架小孩的權益啊有嗎這件事情你們有跟地方溝通完成協商完畢才公布的嗎委員你們在定裁判法新的時候有沒有跟行政院\n\n11\n00:03:34,685 --> 00:03:59,648\n溝通過想到說行政院要被拿去三千七百多億財政收支劃分法講了二十多年了以前賴清德總統也同意嘛所以我們才說的嘛所以我要講的事情是你覺得作為一個行政院中央的機關你都編列了財化法的預算了然後你今天要綁架小朋友的這些吹冷氣的費用你不需要跟地方公眾溝通完畢之後再告訴大眾\n\n12\n00:04:00,709 --> 00:04:08,494\n不需要用這種字眼用這種字眼來抹煞跟扭曲行政院的做法我們是才華嘛媽媽群組都已經炸過了這叫什麼凹人一時爽啊全越火葬場啊\n\n13\n00:04:16,378 --> 00:04:29,884\n總統的話拜託行政院要聽緊去啊你可以跟地方政府討論完畢之後共同公佈啊我剛剛問的事情是你們討論完共同公佈了沒有嗎跟委員報告我們都有跟地方政府溝通結果呢溝通的結果是什麼正向的負向的\n\n14\n00:04:42,550 --> 00:05:05,461\n告訴而已台北市比今年114年增加420億我都知道我問你也是電力的部分你跟政府溝通之後成功了沒有嗎我沒有跟地方政府溝通柴化法的分配啊所以你的意思是台北市告訴你說他同意新北市告訴你說他同意他們現在這些市長都在騙人\n\n15\n00:05:07,142 --> 00:05:07,783\n沒有什麼騙人\n\n16\n00:05:37,322 --> 00:05:58,476\n共同報告很好啊結果沒有啊賴清德總統說的是要朝野溝通朝野多話行政跟立法溝通當然也要跟地方溝通你溝通沒有成功今天就片面的來宣布這是大家覺得很荒謬的地方我們過去兩三個禮拜很多重要法案一步一步的推我覺得這是一個新的模式\n\n17\n00:05:58,956 --> 00:06:19,068\n你新的模式裡面你對於我們剛剛講的你就是認識嘛你不要拿其他的議題來讀我這個議題嘛我剛剛問的就是沒有溝通出正向的結果就貿然的公佈導致於地方縣市政府跟媽媽群都非常的不滿嘛好我們今天的重要主題是關於台美的關稅我要詢問的是20%的關稅是暫時性的\n\n18\n00:06:25,071 --> 00:06:53,639\n那現在已經25天快要一個月了請問這個暫時性什麼時候要結束要多久從今天早上開始諮詢到現在這個已經好幾次提出的問題因為你們沒有解決跟答案所以每個人都要問啊我不問是我不盡責啊在說些什麼啊是謝謝委員台美持續三分鐘每一個人都問一次也是應當的啊我們希望越快能夠談出一個結果越快越好嘛好全力努力\n\n19\n00:06:54,300 --> 00:07:10,540\n剛剛聽了質詢發現大多數都是視訊會議很少是實體磋商只有四次而已嗎每一輪都有數天的時間但是總體數大多都是線上磋商為主嗎不是實體磋商為主\n\n20\n00:07:11,161 --> 00:07:25,097\n然後中間四輪而且每次去都是數天數天那請問線上的會議開了幾次實體磋商之間就會透過視訊會議實體磋商之間還透過視訊會議所以實體磋商實體磋商不一定是讓我完整講完才有資訊\n\n21\n00:07:30,123 --> 00:07:57,228\n我會問你會讓你講好嗎我會給你時間所以實體磋商這四個字不代表都是面對面中間還有視訊的部分是嗎實體磋商就是我們人到華府面對面雙方的談判團隊坐下來數天的時間就各項議題逐一的磋商那對方除了我們組團的對代表也有他們相關的議題的專家那我方有我楊政委也有相關的部會就不同的議題大家就來進行磋商\n\n22\n00:07:58,068 --> 00:08:12,536\n沒有視訊的部分實體的話就不是視訊嗎實體就是我們人到華府實體跟實體之間呢就會透過視訊會議保持這個相關的持續的操作跟聯繫剛才您剛剛講了三次疊加當實體在面對面談判的時候我們整個台灣在台北\n\n23\n00:08:17,859 --> 00:08:26,603\n也配合美國時間總統領隊一直到深夜運動一直沒有離開剛才因為講到一個就是沒有講清楚就是實體跟視訊的部分那剛才講清楚我現在了解了我可以接受啊那但是我要問的是您剛剛說三次最近的視訊會議都有向美方表達說不要用疊加的方式那請問對方的意見是正向還是負向的\n\n24\n00:08:45,032 --> 00:09:13,490\n還是沒有評論我們持續的正向朝向最後總結會議在持續的磋商當中但是要最終因為通常是達成協議的時候會去談最終美方降稅的方案那美方降稅方案裡面我們裡面就會觸及疊加不疊加所以還有距離原則上各國都是沒有疊加但歐盟有例外所以現在還有一段距離是嗎各國都是疊加歐盟例外不疊加所以不疊加最後談出來\n\n25\n00:09:14,611 --> 00:09:28,078\n但是不疊加的可能性很高我們也要爭取不疊加就是最後不疊加比照你所說的其他國家而非歐盟的機會非常高是嗎歐盟是例外所以他是例外的話我們可以成為\n\n26\n00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:37,065\n無論例外跟原則我方的目標就是全力努力爭取再這樣會抗毀黨跟不疊加我們就是全力努力爭取\n\n27\n00:09:45,012 --> 00:10:03,648\n那剛才這個賴世保委員的詢問你們只承認市場要開放沒有說要零關稅好那沒關係我們針對市場開放來做一個討論你們今天的報告寫的有關於呢這個糧食安全希望能夠從美國採購黃豆玉米小麥石油天然氣跟農工產品\n\n28\n00:10:04,629 --> 00:10:26,632\n但是媒體額外報導的部分有關於牛肉豬肉的動植物檢驗措施還有我特別針對家禽跟蛋製品兩個詢問好了家禽跟蛋製品的部分要讓他取消美國產品的限制跟許可這個是假消息假新聞還是真的有這件事\n\n29\n00:10:28,033 --> 00:10:42,210\n這個報導剛剛今天有速度回答我只問這個我只問我只問佳琴跟沒有像經貿辦跟我們查證那其實每一方每一年他都會公布一個關稅貿易障礙的年度報告我想委員這都是公開資訊\n\n30\n00:10:43,491 --> 00:11:11,863\n這裡面提到很多項都是美國他會對每一國公布他認為的關稅貿易障礙那在這些範圍裡面美方當然會提出他的期待來協商但是我們的一個原則就是國民健康糧食安全當然嘛所以我認為說在家禽跟淡製品這兩種我就問這兩種就好了在家禽類就是如雞等等還有在這個蛋的限制跟許可會在這個關稅談判當中去取消它嗎\n\n31\n00:11:13,959 --> 00:11:43,532\n不瞭解委員的問題是什麼我跟委員報告齁就是您剛才講的那個家禽跟就是雞啊或是蛋的部分齁那相對的就是美國他有提出不同包括農林漁區的品項都希望說某個程度的開放這是他們的期待那我們也有我們要守護的部分所以針對兩三天的部分我理解了那我要問代表啊那就是針對這個部分他剛才已經解釋給你聽了嘛那請問在這個部分我們要他們要我們開放的部分我們要談及到\n\n32\n00:11:43,592 --> 00:11:59,709\n我們工業部跟我們是一起我們各部位都是一起去那我們有談及到這個部分然後我們的態度是什麼那不要開放時刻嘛那你們每一個今天從早上到現在每一個都是持續溝通那這樣的話就沒有回答到我們真正的問題因為還沒有定案\n\n33\n00:12:00,930 --> 00:12:29,853\n如果還沒有定案那今天大家來質詢那意義在哪裡我再問一個問題喔如果開放零關稅的話農業項目包包含麵粉有討論到這個問題麵粉的零關稅開放美國開放麵粉零關稅有沒有討論到我跟委員報告黃曉玉還有小玉的小就是小麥的部分就是跟麵粉的部分現在就是零關稅那這一類的產品進來國內的話反而是降低國內的生產成本是對於國內的消費是有幫助的黃曉玉可以問我單純問麵粉的部分\n\n34\n00:12:31,239 --> 00:12:52,385\n對因為整個的一個小麥的部分它有非常多的衰殖耗類其中有一個衰殖耗類就是麵粉的部分是所以你認為這個反而對我國的麵粉會有幫助有一些關稅低的時候對我們的生產成本降低是有幫助的有些大宗原物料本國也在進行採購不過我想就這個相關項目這個沒有問題剛剛你們已經回答了\n\n35\n00:12:54,646 --> 00:13:15,482\n再来我想要问关于台美关税的另外一个重点就是横平台美的贸易顺差其中有一项有机会记录的当然是武器的采购也就是军购在国防预算里面我们的武器采购有两种方式一种是FMS的军购就是军售政府对政府的\n\n36\n00:13:15,802 --> 00:13:43,364\n另外一種是DCS的商售是向軍火商購買的那請問我們目前來講平均兩種採購的比率是百分之多少對百分之多少這個部分我們還要在因為雙方的計算跟品項的設定到現在我們沒有辦法在這個地方講出一個設定出來你不要回答不出來就說不知道就是7比3\n\n37\n00:13:44,165 --> 00:14:02,101\n就是FMS是70DCS是30因為外交部他們國防部都曾經回答過類似的問題所以你不要你不要自己回答不出來就說這個還要怎樣這一點都不細項我們的軍售是跟政府對政府或者是向軍售商軍火商購買這哪裡細項啦\n\n38\n00:14:10,988 --> 00:14:28,465\n我問一下現在政府對政府的採購能不能夠進入台美的貿易額之中能不能夠去衡量在有關軍購的部分我們尊重國防部的規劃是由國防部在進行規劃的外交部說不行啊不能進在這個台美貿易稅的當中啊\n\n39\n00:14:29,105 --> 00:14:53,193\n那我的意思是說基本的貿易順利差的確但是我們在談判當中我方也向美方表達我國賴清德總統在2月的時候就已經有正式公開的承諾所以這部分就是我方自己的一個承諾我知道嘛70%是走政府對政府嘛那這樣子我算出來大概是6656億沒有辦法算進去去橫平這個差額嘛\n\n40\n00:14:57,774 --> 00:15:25,621\n你不會不知道這件事吧我們不能這樣計算這個不是這樣的計算標準這是這樣去算的這是外交部的政務次長陳明齊他說的他說透過美國軍售FMS的管道不算在台美貿易額當中雙售DCS才算我要讓我再問一個問題我們有沒有辦法向美國爭取FMS的軍售也可以列入貿易米查我們有很多雙方的立場跟條件都互相在討論\n\n41\n00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:34,204\n她的事情就是在那邊講說什麼奧巴海奧會\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5958\t30228\t謝謝主席 我們先請卓院長請卓院長備詢首先我要詢問一下在823 32比0之後呢台美關稅在朝野的對話能不能夠提升 您覺得\n31829\t43550\t我們應大院要求今天來做報告那這個時間這是在8月23日之前但爛線的總統發表談話是昨天我的意思是說從今天開始會不會比前天更好\n45182\t64309\t我說今天我們來這裡報告是一個月以前就排定的時間我要問的是在賴清的總統的宣誓之後你認為朝野協商我們這樣子的對話需不需要我們縣我們行政院跟在野黨的協商跟溝通的管道跟方式需不需要有所改變\n65149\t85040\t我們調整財政體質 調整兩院互動調整這個施政順序 調整內閣人士那賴清德總統說調整的順序第一個就是經濟優先那我想當然也包含台美關稅民生若是青年優先 那請問一下我們卓內閣之前的優先訊是什麼第一優先是什麼\n87085\t104878\t去年520來的時候總統要求的第一個就是經濟發展不對喔 不對喔 劉慶德總統說要調整順序要調整的意思代表什麼 代表本來不是嘛所以你現在告訴我說第一個順序叫做經濟那既然第一個順序叫做經濟 那現在要調整什麼嘛\n105560\t123096\t就讓我們經濟體質更好要調整得更好所以只不過是本來不夠好所以要更好那不算什麼調整嘛那第二個順序是什麼第二個順序是什麼來 第二個順序是什麼卓內閣的第二個優先順序你施政順序的第二個是什麼\n123777\t142008\t你說總統說的你說的我在問你啊我說總統要求我們第一個就是經濟發展我說的是在8.23之前不要浪費我的時間好那總之賴清德總統強調呢要改變行政跟立法的互動但是呢我們可以看到今天質詢我覺得沒有任何的改變啊\n142648\t162307\t跟823以前完全沒有不一樣啊你採納了哪一個在野黨的立委的意見呢賴清的俗話你根本沒有在聽嘛比方說賴清的總統有沒有講四個優先有青年優先有沒有有沒有嘛你不要一直浪費我的時間嘛四個優先你該不會沒有去看那場記者會吧\n163459\t191716\t我們未來在他講的第四個優先就是青年優先沒有什麼未不未來結果行政院隔天拿財化法去綁架小學生啊不讓他們喝水缺冷氣用點拿小學生開刀對嗎財化法各個縣市都已經有去投入他們的整個規劃也行政院相關的一定都知道講過很多次了例如台北市2500多億要投入捷運要蓋社會住宅改善交通興建醫療場所\n193297\t213785\t你可以跟地方政府溝通啊不是溝通是823當天賴清德總統講的嗎結果你有沒有跟各縣市溝通就直接開刀要綁架小孩的權益啊有嗎這件事情你們有跟地方溝通完成協商完畢才公布的嗎委員你們在定裁判法新的時候有沒有跟行政院\n214685\t239648\t溝通過 想到說行政院要被拿去三千七百多億財政收支劃分法講了二十多年了以前賴清德總統也同意嘛所以我們才說的嘛所以我要講的事情是你覺得作為一個行政院中央的機關你都編列了財化法的預算了然後你今天要綁架小朋友的這些吹冷氣的費用你不需要跟地方公眾溝通完畢之後再告訴大眾\n240709\t248494\t不需要用這種字眼用這種字眼來抹煞跟扭曲行政院的做法我們是才華嘛媽媽群組都已經炸過了這叫什麼凹人一時爽啊 全越火葬場啊\n256378\t269884\t總統的話拜託行政院要聽緊去啊你可以跟地方政府討論完畢之後共同公佈啊我剛剛問的事情是你們討論完共同公佈了沒有嗎跟委員報告 我們都有跟地方政府溝通結果呢 溝通的結果是什麼正向的負向的\n282550\t305461\t告訴而已台北市比今年114年增加420億我都知道我問你也是電力的部分你跟政府溝通之後成功了沒有嗎我沒有跟地方政府溝通柴化法的分配啊所以你的意思是台北市告訴你說他同意新北市告訴你說他同意他們現在這些市長都在騙人\n307142\t307783\t沒有什麼騙人\n337322\t358476\t共同報告很好啊 結果沒有啊賴清德總統說的是要朝野溝通朝野多話行政跟立法溝通當然也要跟地方溝通你溝通沒有成功今天就片面的來宣布這是大家覺得很荒謬的地方我們過去兩三個禮拜很多重要法案一步一步的推我覺得這是一個新的模式\n358956\t379068\t你新的模式裡面你對於我們剛剛講的你就是認識嘛你不要拿其他的議題來讀我這個議題嘛我剛剛問的就是沒有溝通出正向的結果就貿然的公佈導致於地方縣市政府跟媽媽群都非常的不滿嘛好 我們今天的重要主題是關於台美的關稅我要詢問的是20%的關稅是暫時性的\n385071\t413639\t那現在已經25天快要一個月了請問這個暫時性什麼時候要結束要多久從今天早上開始諮詢到現在這個已經好幾次提出的問題因為你們沒有解決跟答案所以每個人都要問啊我不問是我不盡責啊在說些什麼啊是謝謝委員台美持續三分鐘每一個人都問一次也是應當的啊我們希望越快能夠談出一個結果越快越好嘛好全力努力\n414300\t430540\t剛剛聽了質詢發現大多數都是視訊會議很少是實體磋商只有四次而已嗎每一輪都有數天的時間但是總體數大多都是線上磋商為主嗎不是實體磋商為主\n431161\t445097\t然後中間四輪而且每次去都是數天數天那請問線上的會議開了幾次實體磋商之間就會透過視訊會議實體磋商之間還透過視訊會議所以實體磋商實體磋商不一定是讓我完整講完才有資訊\n450123\t477228\t我會問你會讓你講好嗎我會給你時間所以實體磋商這四個字不代表都是面對面中間還有視訊的部分是嗎實體磋商就是我們人到華府面對面雙方的談判團隊坐下來數天的時間就各項議題逐一的磋商那對方除了我們組團的對代表也有他們相關的議題的專家那我方有我楊政委也有相關的部會就不同的議題大家就來進行磋商\n478068\t492536\t沒有視訊的部分實體的話就不是視訊嗎實體就是我們人到華府實體跟實體之間呢就會透過視訊會議保持這個相關的持續的操作跟聯繫剛才您剛剛講了三次疊加當實體在面對面談判的時候我們整個台灣在台北\n497859\t506603\t也配合美國時間總統領隊一直到深夜運動一直沒有離開剛才因為講到一個就是沒有講清楚就是實體跟視訊的部分那剛才講清楚我現在了解了我可以接受啊那但是我要問的是您剛剛說三次最近的視訊會議都有向美方表達說不要用疊加的方式那請問對方的意見是正向還是負向的\n525032\t553490\t還是沒有評論我們持續的正向朝向最後總結會議在持續的磋商當中但是要最終因為通常是達成協議的時候會去談最終美方降稅的方案那美方降稅方案裡面我們裡面就會觸及疊加不疊加所以還有距離原則上各國都是沒有疊加但歐盟有例外所以現在還有一段距離是嗎各國都是疊加歐盟例外不疊加所以不疊加最後談出來\n554611\t568078\t但是不疊加的可能性很高我們也要爭取不疊加就是最後不疊加比照你所說的其他國家而非歐盟的機會非常高是嗎歐盟是例外所以他是例外的話我們可以成為\n570200\t577065\t無論例外跟原則我方的目標就是全力努力爭取再這樣會抗毀黨跟不疊加我們就是全力努力爭取\n585012\t603648\t那剛才這個賴世保委員的詢問你們只承認市場要開放沒有說要零關稅好 那沒關係我們針對市場開放來做一個討論你們今天的報告寫的有關於呢這個糧食安全希望能夠從美國採購黃豆 玉米 小麥 石油 天然氣 跟農工產品\n604629\t626632\t但是媒體額外報導的部分有關於牛肉豬肉的動植物檢驗措施還有我特別針對家禽跟蛋製品兩個詢問好了家禽跟蛋製品的部分要讓他取消美國產品的限制跟許可這個是假消息假新聞還是真的有這件事\n628033\t642210\t這個報導剛剛今天有速度回答我只問這個我只問我只問佳琴跟沒有像經貿辦跟我們查證那其實每一方每一年他都會公布一個關稅貿易障礙的年度報告我想委員這都是公開資訊\n643491\t671863\t這裡面提到很多項都是美國他會對每一國公布他認為的關稅貿易障礙那在這些範圍裡面美方當然會提出他的期待來協商但是我們的一個原則就是國民健康糧食安全當然嘛所以我認為說在家禽跟淡製品這兩種我就問這兩種就好了在家禽類就是如雞等等還有在這個蛋的限制跟許可會在這個關稅談判當中去取消它嗎\n673959\t703532\t不瞭解委員的問題是什麼我跟委員報告齁就是您剛才講的那個家禽跟就是雞啊或是蛋的部分齁那相對的就是美國他有提出不同包括農林漁區的品項都希望說某個程度的開放這是他們的期待那我們也有我們要守護的部分所以針對兩三天的部分我理解了那我要問代表啊那就是針對這個部分他剛才已經解釋給你聽了嘛那請問在這個部分我們要他們要我們開放的部分我們要談及到\n703592\t719709\t我們工業部跟我們是一起我們各部位都是一起去那我們有談及到這個部分然後我們的態度是什麼那不要開放時刻嘛那你們每一個今天從早上到現在每一個都是持續溝通那這樣的話就沒有回答到我們真正的問題因為還沒有定案\n720930\t749853\t如果還沒有定案那今天大家來質詢那意義在哪裡我再問一個問題喔如果開放零關稅的話農業項目包包含麵粉有討論到這個問題麵粉的零關稅開放美國開放麵粉零關稅有沒有討論到我跟委員報告黃曉玉還有小玉的小就是小麥的部分就是跟麵粉的部分現在就是零關稅那這一類的產品進來國內的話反而是降低國內的生產成本是對於國內的消費是有幫助的黃曉玉可以問我單純問麵粉的部分\n751239\t772385\t對 因為整個的一個小麥的部分它有非常多的衰殖耗類其中有一個衰殖耗類就是麵粉的部分是 所以你認為這個反而對我國的麵粉會有幫助有一些關稅低的時候對我們的生產成本降低是有幫助的有些大宗原物料本國也在進行採購不過我想就這個相關項目這個沒有問題 剛剛你們已經回答了\n774646\t795482\t再来我想要问关于台美关税的另外一个重点就是横平台美的贸易顺差其中有一项有机会记录的当然是武器的采购也就是军购在国防预算里面我们的武器采购有两种方式一种是FMS的军购就是军售政府对政府的\n795802\t823364\t另外一種是DCS的商售是向軍火商購買的那請問我們目前來講平均兩種採購的比率是百分之多少對百分之多少這個部分我們還要在因為雙方的計算跟品項的設定到現在我們沒有辦法在這個地方講出一個設定出來你不要回答不出來就說不知道就是7比3\n824165\t842101\t就是FMS是70 DCS是30因為外交部他們國防部都曾經回答過類似的問題所以你不要你不要自己回答不出來就說這個還要怎樣這一點都不細項我們的軍售是跟政府對政府或者是向軍售商軍火商購買這哪裡細項啦\n850988\t868465\t我問一下現在政府對政府的採購能不能夠進入台美的貿易額之中能不能夠去衡量在有關軍購的部分我們尊重國防部的規劃是由國防部在進行規劃的外交部說不行啊不能進在這個台美貿易稅的當中啊\n869105\t893193\t那我的意思是說基本的貿易順利差的確但是我們在談判當中我方也向美方表達我國賴清德總統在2月的時候就已經有正式公開的承諾所以這部分就是我方自己的一個承諾我知道嘛70%是走政府對政府嘛那這樣子我算出來大概是6656億沒有辦法算進去去橫平這個差額嘛\n897774\t925621\t你不會不知道這件事吧我們不能這樣計算這個不是這樣的計算標準這是這樣去算的這是外交部的政務次長陳明齊他說的他說透過美國軍售FMS的管道不算在台美貿易額當中雙售DCS才算我要讓我再問一個問題我們有沒有辦法向美國爭取FMS的軍售也可以列入貿易米查我們有很多雙方的立場跟條件都互相在討論\n931670\t934204\t她的事情就是在那邊講說什麼奧巴海奧會\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們先請卓院長請卓院長備詢首先我要詢問一下在823 32比0之後呢台美關稅在朝野的對話能不能夠提升 您覺得\n我們應大院要求今天來做報告那這個時間這是在8月23日之前但爛線的總統發表談話是昨天我的意思是說從今天開始會不會比前天更好\n我說今天我們來這裡報告是一個月以前就排定的時間我要問的是在賴清的總統的宣誓之後你認為朝野協商我們這樣子的對話需不需要我們縣我們行政院跟在野黨的協商跟溝通的管道跟方式需不需要有所改變\n我們調整財政體質 調整兩院互動調整這個施政順序 調整內閣人士那賴清德總統說調整的順序第一個就是經濟優先那我想當然也包含台美關稅民生若是青年優先 那請問一下我們卓內閣之前的優先訊是什麼第一優先是什麼\n去年520來的時候總統要求的第一個就是經濟發展不對喔 不對喔 劉慶德總統說要調整順序要調整的意思代表什麼 代表本來不是嘛所以你現在告訴我說第一個順序叫做經濟那既然第一個順序叫做經濟 那現在要調整什麼嘛\n就讓我們經濟體質更好要調整得更好所以只不過是本來不夠好所以要更好那不算什麼調整嘛那第二個順序是什麼第二個順序是什麼來 第二個順序是什麼卓內閣的第二個優先順序你施政順序的第二個是什麼\n你說總統說的你說的我在問你啊我說總統要求我們第一個就是經濟發展我說的是在8.23之前不要浪費我的時間好那總之賴清德總統強調呢要改變行政跟立法的互動但是呢我們可以看到今天質詢我覺得沒有任何的改變啊\n跟823以前完全沒有不一樣啊你採納了哪一個在野黨的立委的意見呢賴清的俗話你根本沒有在聽嘛比方說賴清的總統有沒有講四個優先有青年優先有沒有有沒有嘛你不要一直浪費我的時間嘛四個優先你該不會沒有去看那場記者會吧\n我們未來在他講的第四個優先就是青年優先沒有什麼未不未來結果行政院隔天拿財化法去綁架小學生啊不讓他們喝水缺冷氣用點拿小學生開刀對嗎財化法各個縣市都已經有去投入他們的整個規劃也行政院相關的一定都知道講過很多次了例如台北市2500多億要投入捷運要蓋社會住宅改善交通興建醫療場所\n你可以跟地方政府溝通啊不是溝通是823當天賴清德總統講的嗎結果你有沒有跟各縣市溝通就直接開刀要綁架小孩的權益啊有嗎這件事情你們有跟地方溝通完成協商完畢才公布的嗎委員你們在定裁判法新的時候有沒有跟行政院\n溝通過 想到說行政院要被拿去三千七百多億財政收支劃分法講了二十多年了以前賴清德總統也同意嘛所以我們才說的嘛所以我要講的事情是你覺得作為一個行政院中央的機關你都編列了財化法的預算了然後你今天要綁架小朋友的這些吹冷氣的費用你不需要跟地方公眾溝通完畢之後再告訴大眾\n不需要用這種字眼用這種字眼來抹煞跟扭曲行政院的做法我們是才華嘛媽媽群組都已經炸過了這叫什麼凹人一時爽啊 全越火葬場啊\n總統的話拜託行政院要聽緊去啊你可以跟地方政府討論完畢之後共同公佈啊我剛剛問的事情是你們討論完共同公佈了沒有嗎跟委員報告 我們都有跟地方政府溝通結果呢 溝通的結果是什麼正向的負向的\n告訴而已台北市比今年114年增加420億我都知道我問你也是電力的部分你跟政府溝通之後成功了沒有嗎我沒有跟地方政府溝通柴化法的分配啊所以你的意思是台北市告訴你說他同意新北市告訴你說他同意他們現在這些市長都在騙人\n沒有什麼騙人\n共同報告很好啊 結果沒有啊賴清德總統說的是要朝野溝通朝野多話行政跟立法溝通當然也要跟地方溝通你溝通沒有成功今天就片面的來宣布這是大家覺得很荒謬的地方我們過去兩三個禮拜很多重要法案一步一步的推我覺得這是一個新的模式\n你新的模式裡面你對於我們剛剛講的你就是認識嘛你不要拿其他的議題來讀我這個議題嘛我剛剛問的就是沒有溝通出正向的結果就貿然的公佈導致於地方縣市政府跟媽媽群都非常的不滿嘛好 我們今天的重要主題是關於台美的關稅我要詢問的是20%的關稅是暫時性的\n那現在已經25天快要一個月了請問這個暫時性什麼時候要結束要多久從今天早上開始諮詢到現在這個已經好幾次提出的問題因為你們沒有解決跟答案所以每個人都要問啊我不問是我不盡責啊在說些什麼啊是謝謝委員台美持續三分鐘每一個人都問一次也是應當的啊我們希望越快能夠談出一個結果越快越好嘛好全力努力\n剛剛聽了質詢發現大多數都是視訊會議很少是實體磋商只有四次而已嗎每一輪都有數天的時間但是總體數大多都是線上磋商為主嗎不是實體磋商為主\n然後中間四輪而且每次去都是數天數天那請問線上的會議開了幾次實體磋商之間就會透過視訊會議實體磋商之間還透過視訊會議所以實體磋商實體磋商不一定是讓我完整講完才有資訊\n我會問你會讓你講好嗎我會給你時間所以實體磋商這四個字不代表都是面對面中間還有視訊的部分是嗎實體磋商就是我們人到華府面對面雙方的談判團隊坐下來數天的時間就各項議題逐一的磋商那對方除了我們組團的對代表也有他們相關的議題的專家那我方有我楊政委也有相關的部會就不同的議題大家就來進行磋商\n沒有視訊的部分實體的話就不是視訊嗎實體就是我們人到華府實體跟實體之間呢就會透過視訊會議保持這個相關的持續的操作跟聯繫剛才您剛剛講了三次疊加當實體在面對面談判的時候我們整個台灣在台北\n也配合美國時間總統領隊一直到深夜運動一直沒有離開剛才因為講到一個就是沒有講清楚就是實體跟視訊的部分那剛才講清楚我現在了解了我可以接受啊那但是我要問的是您剛剛說三次最近的視訊會議都有向美方表達說不要用疊加的方式那請問對方的意見是正向還是負向的\n還是沒有評論我們持續的正向朝向最後總結會議在持續的磋商當中但是要最終因為通常是達成協議的時候會去談最終美方降稅的方案那美方降稅方案裡面我們裡面就會觸及疊加不疊加所以還有距離原則上各國都是沒有疊加但歐盟有例外所以現在還有一段距離是嗎各國都是疊加歐盟例外不疊加所以不疊加最後談出來\n但是不疊加的可能性很高我們也要爭取不疊加就是最後不疊加比照你所說的其他國家而非歐盟的機會非常高是嗎歐盟是例外所以他是例外的話我們可以成為\n無論例外跟原則我方的目標就是全力努力爭取再這樣會抗毀黨跟不疊加我們就是全力努力爭取\n那剛才這個賴世保委員的詢問你們只承認市場要開放沒有說要零關稅好 那沒關係我們針對市場開放來做一個討論你們今天的報告寫的有關於呢這個糧食安全希望能夠從美國採購黃豆 玉米 小麥 石油 天然氣 跟農工產品\n但是媒體額外報導的部分有關於牛肉豬肉的動植物檢驗措施還有我特別針對家禽跟蛋製品兩個詢問好了家禽跟蛋製品的部分要讓他取消美國產品的限制跟許可這個是假消息假新聞還是真的有這件事\n這個報導剛剛今天有速度回答我只問這個我只問我只問佳琴跟沒有像經貿辦跟我們查證那其實每一方每一年他都會公布一個關稅貿易障礙的年度報告我想委員這都是公開資訊\n這裡面提到很多項都是美國他會對每一國公布他認為的關稅貿易障礙那在這些範圍裡面美方當然會提出他的期待來協商但是我們的一個原則就是國民健康糧食安全當然嘛所以我認為說在家禽跟淡製品這兩種我就問這兩種就好了在家禽類就是如雞等等還有在這個蛋的限制跟許可會在這個關稅談判當中去取消它嗎\n不瞭解委員的問題是什麼我跟委員報告齁就是您剛才講的那個家禽跟就是雞啊或是蛋的部分齁那相對的就是美國他有提出不同包括農林漁區的品項都希望說某個程度的開放這是他們的期待那我們也有我們要守護的部分所以針對兩三天的部分我理解了那我要問代表啊那就是針對這個部分他剛才已經解釋給你聽了嘛那請問在這個部分我們要他們要我們開放的部分我們要談及到\n我們工業部跟我們是一起我們各部位都是一起去那我們有談及到這個部分然後我們的態度是什麼那不要開放時刻嘛那你們每一個今天從早上到現在每一個都是持續溝通那這樣的話就沒有回答到我們真正的問題因為還沒有定案\n如果還沒有定案那今天大家來質詢那意義在哪裡我再問一個問題喔如果開放零關稅的話農業項目包包含麵粉有討論到這個問題麵粉的零關稅開放美國開放麵粉零關稅有沒有討論到我跟委員報告黃曉玉還有小玉的小就是小麥的部分就是跟麵粉的部分現在就是零關稅那這一類的產品進來國內的話反而是降低國內的生產成本是對於國內的消費是有幫助的黃曉玉可以問我單純問麵粉的部分\n對 因為整個的一個小麥的部分它有非常多的衰殖耗類其中有一個衰殖耗類就是麵粉的部分是 所以你認為這個反而對我國的麵粉會有幫助有一些關稅低的時候對我們的生產成本降低是有幫助的有些大宗原物料本國也在進行採購不過我想就這個相關項目這個沒有問題 剛剛你們已經回答了\n再来我想要问关于台美关税的另外一个重点就是横平台美的贸易顺差其中有一项有机会记录的当然是武器的采购也就是军购在国防预算里面我们的武器采购有两种方式一种是FMS的军购就是军售政府对政府的\n另外一種是DCS的商售是向軍火商購買的那請問我們目前來講平均兩種採購的比率是百分之多少對百分之多少這個部分我們還要在因為雙方的計算跟品項的設定到現在我們沒有辦法在這個地方講出一個設定出來你不要回答不出來就說不知道就是7比3\n就是FMS是70 DCS是30因為外交部他們國防部都曾經回答過類似的問題所以你不要你不要自己回答不出來就說這個還要怎樣這一點都不細項我們的軍售是跟政府對政府或者是向軍售商軍火商購買這哪裡細項啦\n我問一下現在政府對政府的採購能不能夠進入台美的貿易額之中能不能夠去衡量在有關軍購的部分我們尊重國防部的規劃是由國防部在進行規劃的外交部說不行啊不能進在這個台美貿易稅的當中啊\n那我的意思是說基本的貿易順利差的確但是我們在談判當中我方也向美方表達我國賴清德總統在2月的時候就已經有正式公開的承諾所以這部分就是我方自己的一個承諾我知道嘛70%是走政府對政府嘛那這樣子我算出來大概是6656億沒有辦法算進去去橫平這個差額嘛\n你不會不知道這件事吧我們不能這樣計算這個不是這樣的計算標準這是這樣去算的這是外交部的政務次長陳明齊他說的他說透過美國軍售FMS的管道不算在台美貿易額當中雙售DCS才算我要讓我再問一個問題我們有沒有辦法向美國爭取FMS的軍售也可以列入貿易米查我們有很多雙方的立場跟條件都互相在討論\n她的事情就是在那邊講說什麼奧巴海奧會\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.958 --> 00:30.228\n謝謝主席我們先請卓院長請卓院長備詢首先我要詢問一下在82332比0之後呢台美關稅在朝野的對話能不能夠提升您覺得\n\n00:31.829 --> 00:43.550\n我們應大院要求今天來做報告那這個時間這是在8月23日之前但爛線的總統發表談話是昨天我的意思是說從今天開始會不會比前天更好\n\n00:45.182 --> 01:04.309\n我說今天我們來這裡報告是一個月以前就排定的時間我要問的是在賴清的總統的宣誓之後你認為朝野協商我們這樣子的對話需不需要我們縣我們行政院跟在野黨的協商跟溝通的管道跟方式需不需要有所改變\n\n01:05.149 --> 01:25.040\n我們調整財政體質調整兩院互動調整這個施政順序調整內閣人士那賴清德總統說調整的順序第一個就是經濟優先那我想當然也包含台美關稅民生若是青年優先那請問一下我們卓內閣之前的優先訊是什麼第一優先是什麼\n\n01:27.085 --> 01:44.878\n去年520來的時候總統要求的第一個就是經濟發展不對喔不對喔劉慶德總統說要調整順序要調整的意思代表什麼代表本來不是嘛所以你現在告訴我說第一個順序叫做經濟那既然第一個順序叫做經濟那現在要調整什麼嘛\n\n01:45.560 --> 02:03.096\n就讓我們經濟體質更好要調整得更好所以只不過是本來不夠好所以要更好那不算什麼調整嘛那第二個順序是什麼第二個順序是什麼來第二個順序是什麼卓內閣的第二個優先順序你施政順序的第二個是什麼\n\n02:03.777 --> 02:22.008\n你說總統說的你說的我在問你啊我說總統要求我們第一個就是經濟發展我說的是在8.23之前不要浪費我的時間好那總之賴清德總統強調呢要改變行政跟立法的互動但是呢我們可以看到今天質詢我覺得沒有任何的改變啊\n\n02:22.648 --> 02:42.307\n跟823以前完全沒有不一樣啊你採納了哪一個在野黨的立委的意見呢賴清的俗話你根本沒有在聽嘛比方說賴清的總統有沒有講四個優先有青年優先有沒有有沒有嘛你不要一直浪費我的時間嘛四個優先你該不會沒有去看那場記者會吧\n\n02:43.459 --> 03:11.716\n我們未來在他講的第四個優先就是青年優先沒有什麼未不未來結果行政院隔天拿財化法去綁架小學生啊不讓他們喝水缺冷氣用點拿小學生開刀對嗎財化法各個縣市都已經有去投入他們的整個規劃也行政院相關的一定都知道講過很多次了例如台北市2500多億要投入捷運要蓋社會住宅改善交通興建醫療場所\n\n03:13.297 --> 03:33.785\n你可以跟地方政府溝通啊不是溝通是823當天賴清德總統講的嗎結果你有沒有跟各縣市溝通就直接開刀要綁架小孩的權益啊有嗎這件事情你們有跟地方溝通完成協商完畢才公布的嗎委員你們在定裁判法新的時候有沒有跟行政院\n\n03:34.685 --> 03:59.648\n溝通過想到說行政院要被拿去三千七百多億財政收支劃分法講了二十多年了以前賴清德總統也同意嘛所以我們才說的嘛所以我要講的事情是你覺得作為一個行政院中央的機關你都編列了財化法的預算了然後你今天要綁架小朋友的這些吹冷氣的費用你不需要跟地方公眾溝通完畢之後再告訴大眾\n\n04:00.709 --> 04:08.494\n不需要用這種字眼用這種字眼來抹煞跟扭曲行政院的做法我們是才華嘛媽媽群組都已經炸過了這叫什麼凹人一時爽啊全越火葬場啊\n\n04:16.378 --> 04:29.884\n總統的話拜託行政院要聽緊去啊你可以跟地方政府討論完畢之後共同公佈啊我剛剛問的事情是你們討論完共同公佈了沒有嗎跟委員報告我們都有跟地方政府溝通結果呢溝通的結果是什麼正向的負向的\n\n04:42.550 --> 05:05.461\n告訴而已台北市比今年114年增加420億我都知道我問你也是電力的部分你跟政府溝通之後成功了沒有嗎我沒有跟地方政府溝通柴化法的分配啊所以你的意思是台北市告訴你說他同意新北市告訴你說他同意他們現在這些市長都在騙人\n\n05:07.142 --> 05:07.783\n沒有什麼騙人\n\n05:37.322 --> 05:58.476\n共同報告很好啊結果沒有啊賴清德總統說的是要朝野溝通朝野多話行政跟立法溝通當然也要跟地方溝通你溝通沒有成功今天就片面的來宣布這是大家覺得很荒謬的地方我們過去兩三個禮拜很多重要法案一步一步的推我覺得這是一個新的模式\n\n05:58.956 --> 06:19.068\n你新的模式裡面你對於我們剛剛講的你就是認識嘛你不要拿其他的議題來讀我這個議題嘛我剛剛問的就是沒有溝通出正向的結果就貿然的公佈導致於地方縣市政府跟媽媽群都非常的不滿嘛好我們今天的重要主題是關於台美的關稅我要詢問的是20%的關稅是暫時性的\n\n06:25.071 --> 06:53.639\n那現在已經25天快要一個月了請問這個暫時性什麼時候要結束要多久從今天早上開始諮詢到現在這個已經好幾次提出的問題因為你們沒有解決跟答案所以每個人都要問啊我不問是我不盡責啊在說些什麼啊是謝謝委員台美持續三分鐘每一個人都問一次也是應當的啊我們希望越快能夠談出一個結果越快越好嘛好全力努力\n\n06:54.300 --> 07:10.540\n剛剛聽了質詢發現大多數都是視訊會議很少是實體磋商只有四次而已嗎每一輪都有數天的時間但是總體數大多都是線上磋商為主嗎不是實體磋商為主\n\n07:11.161 --> 07:25.097\n然後中間四輪而且每次去都是數天數天那請問線上的會議開了幾次實體磋商之間就會透過視訊會議實體磋商之間還透過視訊會議所以實體磋商實體磋商不一定是讓我完整講完才有資訊\n\n07:30.123 --> 07:57.228\n我會問你會讓你講好嗎我會給你時間所以實體磋商這四個字不代表都是面對面中間還有視訊的部分是嗎實體磋商就是我們人到華府面對面雙方的談判團隊坐下來數天的時間就各項議題逐一的磋商那對方除了我們組團的對代表也有他們相關的議題的專家那我方有我楊政委也有相關的部會就不同的議題大家就來進行磋商\n\n07:58.068 --> 08:12.536\n沒有視訊的部分實體的話就不是視訊嗎實體就是我們人到華府實體跟實體之間呢就會透過視訊會議保持這個相關的持續的操作跟聯繫剛才您剛剛講了三次疊加當實體在面對面談判的時候我們整個台灣在台北\n\n08:17.859 --> 08:26.603\n也配合美國時間總統領隊一直到深夜運動一直沒有離開剛才因為講到一個就是沒有講清楚就是實體跟視訊的部分那剛才講清楚我現在了解了我可以接受啊那但是我要問的是您剛剛說三次最近的視訊會議都有向美方表達說不要用疊加的方式那請問對方的意見是正向還是負向的\n\n08:45.032 --> 09:13.490\n還是沒有評論我們持續的正向朝向最後總結會議在持續的磋商當中但是要最終因為通常是達成協議的時候會去談最終美方降稅的方案那美方降稅方案裡面我們裡面就會觸及疊加不疊加所以還有距離原則上各國都是沒有疊加但歐盟有例外所以現在還有一段距離是嗎各國都是疊加歐盟例外不疊加所以不疊加最後談出來\n\n09:14.611 --> 09:28.078\n但是不疊加的可能性很高我們也要爭取不疊加就是最後不疊加比照你所說的其他國家而非歐盟的機會非常高是嗎歐盟是例外所以他是例外的話我們可以成為\n\n09:30.200 --> 09:37.065\n無論例外跟原則我方的目標就是全力努力爭取再這樣會抗毀黨跟不疊加我們就是全力努力爭取\n\n09:45.012 --> 10:03.648\n那剛才這個賴世保委員的詢問你們只承認市場要開放沒有說要零關稅好那沒關係我們針對市場開放來做一個討論你們今天的報告寫的有關於呢這個糧食安全希望能夠從美國採購黃豆玉米小麥石油天然氣跟農工產品\n\n10:04.629 --> 10:26.632\n但是媒體額外報導的部分有關於牛肉豬肉的動植物檢驗措施還有我特別針對家禽跟蛋製品兩個詢問好了家禽跟蛋製品的部分要讓他取消美國產品的限制跟許可這個是假消息假新聞還是真的有這件事\n\n10:28.033 --> 10:42.210\n這個報導剛剛今天有速度回答我只問這個我只問我只問佳琴跟沒有像經貿辦跟我們查證那其實每一方每一年他都會公布一個關稅貿易障礙的年度報告我想委員這都是公開資訊\n\n10:43.491 --> 11:11.863\n這裡面提到很多項都是美國他會對每一國公布他認為的關稅貿易障礙那在這些範圍裡面美方當然會提出他的期待來協商但是我們的一個原則就是國民健康糧食安全當然嘛所以我認為說在家禽跟淡製品這兩種我就問這兩種就好了在家禽類就是如雞等等還有在這個蛋的限制跟許可會在這個關稅談判當中去取消它嗎\n\n11:13.959 --> 11:43.532\n不瞭解委員的問題是什麼我跟委員報告齁就是您剛才講的那個家禽跟就是雞啊或是蛋的部分齁那相對的就是美國他有提出不同包括農林漁區的品項都希望說某個程度的開放這是他們的期待那我們也有我們要守護的部分所以針對兩三天的部分我理解了那我要問代表啊那就是針對這個部分他剛才已經解釋給你聽了嘛那請問在這個部分我們要他們要我們開放的部分我們要談及到\n\n11:43.592 --> 11:59.709\n我們工業部跟我們是一起我們各部位都是一起去那我們有談及到這個部分然後我們的態度是什麼那不要開放時刻嘛那你們每一個今天從早上到現在每一個都是持續溝通那這樣的話就沒有回答到我們真正的問題因為還沒有定案\n\n12:00.930 --> 12:29.853\n如果還沒有定案那今天大家來質詢那意義在哪裡我再問一個問題喔如果開放零關稅的話農業項目包包含麵粉有討論到這個問題麵粉的零關稅開放美國開放麵粉零關稅有沒有討論到我跟委員報告黃曉玉還有小玉的小就是小麥的部分就是跟麵粉的部分現在就是零關稅那這一類的產品進來國內的話反而是降低國內的生產成本是對於國內的消費是有幫助的黃曉玉可以問我單純問麵粉的部分\n\n12:31.239 --> 12:52.385\n對因為整個的一個小麥的部分它有非常多的衰殖耗類其中有一個衰殖耗類就是麵粉的部分是所以你認為這個反而對我國的麵粉會有幫助有一些關稅低的時候對我們的生產成本降低是有幫助的有些大宗原物料本國也在進行採購不過我想就這個相關項目這個沒有問題剛剛你們已經回答了\n\n12:54.646 --> 13:15.482\n再来我想要问关于台美关税的另外一个重点就是横平台美的贸易顺差其中有一项有机会记录的当然是武器的采购也就是军购在国防预算里面我们的武器采购有两种方式一种是FMS的军购就是军售政府对政府的\n\n13:15.802 --> 13:43.364\n另外一種是DCS的商售是向軍火商購買的那請問我們目前來講平均兩種採購的比率是百分之多少對百分之多少這個部分我們還要在因為雙方的計算跟品項的設定到現在我們沒有辦法在這個地方講出一個設定出來你不要回答不出來就說不知道就是7比3\n\n13:44.165 --> 14:02.101\n就是FMS是70DCS是30因為外交部他們國防部都曾經回答過類似的問題所以你不要你不要自己回答不出來就說這個還要怎樣這一點都不細項我們的軍售是跟政府對政府或者是向軍售商軍火商購買這哪裡細項啦\n\n14:10.988 --> 14:28.465\n我問一下現在政府對政府的採購能不能夠進入台美的貿易額之中能不能夠去衡量在有關軍購的部分我們尊重國防部的規劃是由國防部在進行規劃的外交部說不行啊不能進在這個台美貿易稅的當中啊\n\n14:29.105 --> 14:53.193\n那我的意思是說基本的貿易順利差的確但是我們在談判當中我方也向美方表達我國賴清德總統在2月的時候就已經有正式公開的承諾所以這部分就是我方自己的一個承諾我知道嘛70%是走政府對政府嘛那這樣子我算出來大概是6656億沒有辦法算進去去橫平這個差額嘛\n\n14:57.774 --> 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因為整個的一個小麥的部分它有非常多的衰殖耗類其中有一個衰殖耗類就是麵粉的部分是 所以你認為這個反而對我國的麵粉會有幫助有一些關稅低的時候對我們的生產成本降低是有幫助的有些大宗原物料本國也在進行採購不過我想就這個相關項目這個沒有問題 剛剛你們已經回答了"},{"start":774.646,"end":795.482,"text":"再来我想要问关于台美关税的另外一个重点就是横平台美的贸易顺差其中有一项有机会记录的当然是武器的采购也就是军购在国防预算里面我们的武器采购有两种方式一种是FMS的军购就是军售政府对政府的"},{"start":795.802,"end":823.364,"text":"另外一種是DCS的商售是向軍火商購買的那請問我們目前來講平均兩種採購的比率是百分之多少對百分之多少這個部分我們還要在因為雙方的計算跟品項的設定到現在我們沒有辦法在這個地方講出一個設定出來你不要回答不出來就說不知道就是7比3"},{"start":824.165,"end":842.101,"text":"就是FMS是70 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？"],["鄭副院長麗君：但是我要跟委員報告，原則上各國都是疊加，但歐盟有例外……"],["徐委員巧芯：所以現在還有一段距離是嗎？"],["鄭副院長麗君：各國都是疊加，歐盟例外不疊加，我們知道日方也在爭取，我們也要爭取……"],["徐委員巧芯：所以最後談出不疊加的可能性很高，我可以這麼說嗎？"],["鄭副院長麗君：我們也要爭取不疊加。"],["徐委員巧芯：就是最後不疊加，比照你所說的其他國家，而非歐盟的機會非常高，是嗎？"],["鄭副院長麗君：歐盟是例外，但是……"],["徐委員巧芯：如果他是例外的話，我們也有很高的機會成為例外嗎？"],["鄭副院長麗君：無論例外跟原則，我方的目標就是全力努力爭取再降、對等和不疊加……"],["徐委員巧芯：目標是目標，但是你們自己一定會評估一個機會嘛！你們一定會評估一個機會，坦白說，如果是正向的，今天這麼多委員問，你們早就講了。","剛才賴士葆委員的詢問，你們只承認市場要開放，沒有說要零關稅。沒關係，我們針對市場開放來做一個討論，你們今天的報告寫到，有關於糧食安全，希望能夠從美國採購黃豆、玉米、小麥、石油、天然氣等農工產品，但是媒體額外報導的部分有關於牛肉、豬肉的動植物檢驗措施，我特別針對家禽和蛋製品兩個部分來詢問好了，聽說家禽和蛋製品要取消美國產品進口限制及許可要求，請問這個是假消息、假新聞還是真的有這件事？"],["鄭副院長麗君：關於這則報導，今天已經數度回答，並沒有向……"],["徐委員巧芯：我只問家禽和蛋製品。"],["鄭副院長麗君：沒有向經貿辦跟我們查證，其實美方每一年都會公布一個關稅貿易障礙的年度報告，這都是公開資訊，這裡面提到很多項都是美國會對每一國公布他認為的關稅貿易障礙，在這些範圍裡面，美方當然會提出他的期待來協商，但是我們的原則就是以國民健康、糧食安全為依據及原則來進行協商。"],["徐委員巧芯：當然嘛，所以我只問家禽和蛋製品這兩種，我就問這兩種就好了，家禽類就是如雞鴨等等，還有關於蛋的限制及許可，會在這個關稅談判當中去取消它嗎？"],["鄭副院長麗君：不了解委員的問題是什麼。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，關於您剛才講的雞鴨等家禽及蛋的部分，美國提出相關不同的品項，包括農林漁畜的品項都希望某個程度的開放，這是他們的期待，但我們也有我們要守護的部分，所以針對糧食安全的部分現在還在談。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，我理解了。那我要問代表，針對這個部分陳部長剛剛已經解釋給你聽了，請問他們要我們開放的部分有沒有談及到？"],["鄭副院長麗君：農業部跟我們是一起的，我們各部會都是一起組成談判小組……"],["徐委員巧芯：那我們有沒有談及到這個部分？我們的態度是什麼？"],["陳部長駿季：現在是持續在溝通……"],["徐委員巧芯：那要不要開放許可？"],["鄭副院長麗君：我就跟委員回答……"],["徐委員巧芯：今天從早上到現在，你們每一個都說持續溝通，這樣根本就沒有回答到我們真正的問題……"],["陳部長駿季：因為還沒有定案……"],["鄭副院長麗君：因為還在談判中……"],["徐委員巧芯：所有東西都還沒有定案，那今天大家來質詢的意義在哪裡？我再問一個問題，如果開放零關稅的話，農業項目包不包含麵粉？有討論到麵粉零關稅這個問題嗎？美國開放麵粉零關稅的問題有沒有討論到？"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，黃小玉的「小」就是指小麥的部分，就是有關麵粉的部分，現在就是零關稅，這一類產品進來國內的話，反而是降低國內的生產成本，對於國內的消費是有幫助的。"],["徐委員巧芯：麵粉，我單純問麵粉的部分。"],["陳部長駿季：對。因為整個小麥的部分有非常多的稅則號列，其中有一個稅則號列就是麵粉的部分。"],["徐委員巧芯：是，所以你認為這個反而對我國的麵粉未來有幫助？"],["陳部長駿季：對，有一些關稅低的時候，對我們的生產成本降低是有幫助的。"],["鄭副院長麗君：有些大宗原物料本國也在進行採購……"],["徐委員巧芯：OK。"],["鄭副院長麗君：不過我想就相關項目因為很多委員都關心……"],["徐委員巧芯：這個沒有問題，剛剛你們已經回答了。"],["鄭副院長麗君：是不是我想幾秒鐘……"],["徐委員巧芯：再來，我想要問關於臺美關稅另外一個重點，就是衡平臺美的貿易順差，其中有一項有機會計入的當然是武器的採購，也就是軍購，編在國防預算裡面。我們的武器採購有兩種方式，一種是FMS的軍售，也就是政府對政府的；另外一種是DCS的商售，是向軍火商購買的。請問我們目前來講，平均兩種採購的比率是百分之多少對百分之多少？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個部分我們還要再……因為雙方的計算跟品項的設定……"],["徐委員巧芯：No！No！No！"],["卓院長榮泰：到現在我們沒有辦法在這個地方講出一個設定出來……"],["徐委員巧芯：No！No！No！國防部都知道。No！No！No！No！"],["卓院長榮泰：這個沒有辦法回答委員。"],["徐委員巧芯：你不要回答不出來就說不知道，就是7比3……"],["卓院長榮泰：沒有，這個……"],["徐委員巧芯：就是FMS是70%，DCS是30%，為什麼要這樣講？"],["卓院長榮泰：這樣的算法很籠統……"],["徐委員巧芯：因為外交部和國防部都曾經回答過類似的問題，所以你不要自己回答不出來，就說這個還要如何、如何，這樣很煩……"],["卓院長榮泰：不是，我們現在沒有辦法就這個細項來跟委員做說明。"],["徐委員巧芯：這一點都不細項！我們的軍售是政府對政府，或者是向軍售商、軍火商購買，這哪裡細項了？好，我問一下，現在政府對政府的採購能不能夠計入臺美的貿易額之中？能不能夠去衡平它？"],["鄭副院長麗君：有關軍購的部分，我們尊重國防部的規劃，是由國防部在進行規劃的……"],["徐委員巧芯：外交部說不行啊！不能計在臺美貿易額當中。我的意思是說70%的軍購……"],["鄭副院長麗君：最基本的貿易順逆差……"],["徐委員巧芯：順逆差的衡平嘛！"],["鄭副院長麗君：基本的貿易順逆差的確……但是在談判當中，我方也向美方表達我國賴清德總統在2月的時候就已經有正式公開的承諾……"],["徐委員巧芯：對啊，但是我要講的是70%是走……"],["鄭副院長麗君：所以這部分就是我方自己的承諾。"],["徐委員巧芯：我知道嘛。70%是走政府對政府的部分，這樣子我算出來大概是6,656億沒有辦法算進去去衡平這個差額，你不會不知道這件事吧？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們不能這樣計算，這個不是這樣的計算標準。"],["徐委員巧芯：這是這樣去算的，這是外交部的政務次長陳明祺他說的，他說透過美國軍售（FMS）的管道不算在臺美貿易額當中，商售（DCS）才算。那我再問你一個問題，我們有沒有辦法向美國爭取FMS的軍售也可以列入貿易逆差？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們有很多雙方的立場跟條件都互相在討論當中，所以我們不希望在這個時候透露我們的方式……"],["徐委員巧芯：好，你等於什麼都沒有回答嘛！你回答了老半天，一個問題都沒有回答，然後不知道的事情就在那邊講說什麼這還要回去看看，拜託，先把事情搞清楚再上臺，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：問也要問清楚再上來，謝謝！"],["徐委員巧芯：我問得非常清楚！是你不懂啦！"],["主席：好，謝謝徐委員，謝謝卓院長。","下一位請何欣純委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":158,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-26","speakers":["江啟臣","吳思瑤","傅崐萁","許宇甄","林倩綺","陳昭姿","王定宇","黃珊珊","羅美玲","鍾佳濱","羅智強","陳冠廷","高金素梅","李坤城","黃健豪","陳亭妃","賴士葆","林岱樺","徐巧芯","何欣純","楊瓊瓔","陳培瑜","牛煦庭"],"page_start":45,"meetingDate":["2025-08-25"],"gazette_id":"1147401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147401_00003","1147401_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第26次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長提出「臺美關稅談判之進程、方針、原則及臺灣產業可能遭受之衝擊影響評估」專案\n報告並備質詢─詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147401_00003"}}}