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00:01:18,010\n為了國家的民生經濟為了國人的就業為了很多的民生的食品安全等等我想我們盡力很多談判兩個字就是有來有往我們有要進攻也有要守護的\n\n5\n00:01:19,671 --> 00:01:33,458\n可以從跟美國好好的談判的這個過程裡面能夠截取國家最大的利益院長這個才是我們真的今天這個專案報告安排需要好好談清楚之所在對不對院長\n\n6\n00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:49,174\n對我們一直秉持以國家利益產業利益為最大優先進行談判那很多的細節我們都說過國際談判的慣例在還沒有到細節完全底定的時候是不能夠全部向外界來說明的但是我們有承諾依法\n\n7\n00:01:50,323 --> 00:02:13,795\n談判抵定之後一定送到國會這個必須要的程序也是我們的憲政體制所以我們一定遵守我們要大大方方而且清楚直白的向國人說清楚免除國人的疑慮這就是我們行政院的責任對不對院長早上在報告裡面我也強調過這一點我們一定在談判\n\n8\n00:02:15,100 --> 00:02:31,582\n達到協議的時候要向國人向社會向國會做說明同時依照條約第第結法相關裡面的條文必須送國會來審議我想這個是基本而且是必要的程序我也希望大家說總統希望兩院互動模式調整\n\n9\n00:02:32,483 --> 00:02:52,014\n我也不認為這應該只是單方面的調整像這種質詢的內容應該體諒到整個談判團隊在目前他有一些必要的難處所以應該讓談判團隊更有大的一個空間但是只要原則性大家都能夠體會到支持談判團隊去把談判做好才是談判團隊最大的本錢\n\n10\n00:02:53,542 --> 00:03:17,220\n我同意院長但是同樣站在監督的角色我也期待也認為行政院呢在對美談判的這個過程當中可以講的可以公開的應該要講清楚我覺得第一個這叫安民心第二個這個是讓我們國人知道我們的談判團隊是如何的辛苦因為我剛剛光是聽到\n\n11\n00:03:18,661 --> 00:03:38,033\n我們到底實體去談判了幾次跟線上視訊的會議談判了幾次在野黨委員搞不清楚那如果連在野黨的委員都搞不清楚那表示一般國人也搞不清楚甚至產業界也搞不清楚那我的意思是說我們該讓人民知道的就該讓\n\n12\n00:03:39,594 --> 00:03:54,050\n他們知道而且要清楚明白的講清楚我們實體的去談判四次就是四次有誰去每一次到底談判的團隊到底有誰又是談的相關可以公開的議題第二個\n\n13\n00:03:54,611 --> 00:04:10,647\n我們視訊會議有三次三次我們又談了哪些又該是怎麼樣的讓階段性的讓國人清楚讓產業安心我覺得這個在我們作為監督的角色希望行政院跟談判團隊可不可以\n\n14\n00:04:12,008 --> 00:04:36,061\n我們一定說明更清楚視訊會議是八月以來三次之前加起來十幾次所以剛剛在野黨委員所得知的跟現在講的你看次數又不一樣副院長有意思強調八月一號回來以後是三次報告委員四月以來四次實體每一次是數天然後中間有十次的視訊會議那我剛說明的三次是八月一號\n\n15\n00:04:38,102 --> 00:05:01,842\n這個我們7月31號公布台灣階段性對等稅率之後我們又進行了三次的視訊會議那我們想每一次的實體會議都是我跟楊政委還有跨部會的代表一起去那每次會他們都有發布新聞不過盧委員所說的我們會善盡說明的責任我想我們會持續的向國會跟社會來說明談判的進度我覺得這是一定要的\n\n16\n00:05:02,543 --> 00:05:25,264\n不然會造成很多不必要的誤解譬如說我們台中是傳統製造業在這一次受美國關稅衝擊最嚴重的地方之前我也要請鄭麗君副院長到台中來開過座談會那時候還沒有啟動談判之前那產業界就非常的擔心那時候也謝謝鄭麗君副院長代表院長來到現場來\n\n17\n00:05:28,267 --> 00:05:49,661\n說明了一些我們可能會碰到的問題還有產業界提出的問題我們又該如何的有配套因應的措施我們台中現在不僅僅是美國關稅的問題加上匯率的問題雪上加霜雙重壓力造成我必須要讓院長跟各位知道這個無薪假\n\n18\n00:05:50,481 --> 00:06:16,928\n越來越多製造業減班休息創今年來的新高這個都是勞動部的一個數字今天的自由時報也是大篇幅的報導台中的工具機模具塑膠製品電子材料等傳統製造業大受影響事實上我必須說不是只有這些產業只要涉及所有出口的產業都非常的\n\n19\n00:06:17,688 --> 00:06:43,494\n民不聊生我要用這四個字為什麼要用這四個字因為呢在我台中的很多的產業還感受不到政府的這個輔助的措施到底能不能讓他們挺過這一次的難關院長這個就是說我是一個監督的角色我也必須要務實的把這些問題帶給行政院行政院的就應該要好好的對外說清楚我們有哪些的\n\n20\n00:06:44,154 --> 00:07:12,057\n輔助方案我們又能夠怎麼簡化有效率能夠讓這些產業中小企業及其勞工知道院長您上個禮拜有到台中來開過座談會座談會上各工協會的理事長幹部也都有提出一些問題雖然在現場的時間很短沒有辦法一一的回答但是我請教一下院長您上次來到台中跟各工協會一起在討論座談那他們提出的問題\n\n21\n00:07:13,058 --> 00:07:34,318\n有解方嗎中規矩向第一個我想大部分都提到了金融支持希望能夠給他們更多實質有效的金融支持這個回來我們已經請相關財政單位來做處理希望銀行能夠做一些有效的開放銀行會主委在這裡再來就是申請的手續太過的繁雜我們也希望說表格要簡化\n\n22\n00:07:34,798 --> 00:07:57,425\n第二個我要一直要求經濟部從身份別來告訴你是什麼業者你是什麼身份你可以得到什麼樣的保障用這個方向來出發比他一個一個去查他能夠所有的產業支持的方案這樣可能比較有效如果你是中小企業你是手工具你是水母機你是用這個身份別來告訴業者你這樣就可以清楚\n\n23\n00:07:59,086 --> 00:08:24,326\n必須要用產業鏈的一個概念來做輔導跟做補助我不能只有ABC我產業鏈裡面有可能他的協力廠商都是相關受到衝擊的那按照產業別之外還要用產業鏈的一個協力的一個團隊的一個產業來共同的來受到政府的補助或者是政府的支持我覺得這是很重要的一件事包括剛剛講的資金\n\n24\n00:08:26,748 --> 00:08:43,721\n彈性調度以及金融支持的部分主委你要不要補充跟委員報告我們這次設計的那個這個產業支持方案其實我們除了有個案申請外我們還有這個研發的整個多家提案的一個補助就是剛剛委員提到的就是整個產業鏈\n\n25\n00:08:45,043 --> 00:09:00,580\n整個供應鏈主委你剛剛講到研發兩個字我認為你要再回去調整現在受美國關稅跟不景氣的影響都已經衝擊很大了我們的企業端資方要在所謂的研發在投入資金對他們來講是難善加難\n\n26\n00:09:02,222 --> 00:09:25,512\n所以你的這個資金的彈性運用是要如何因應這一次美國關稅以及匯率的影響造成雙重的壓力所以經濟不景氣沒有訂單所以他們維持他們員工的生計有困難所以他們企業的一個資金的調度需要政府支持我覺得用這樣子的角度去好好調整你的金融的協助對策確實我們在鍾曉微的這個貸款計畫裡面\n\n27\n00:09:30,914 --> 00:09:53,276\n是有這樣的一個設計就是說我們除了新保金提高保證程數以外我們還有做利息補貼也可以讓中小企業可以減輕他的一個負擔院長我會問這一件事就在於我們過去對於這個中小微企業的一個金融支持我們綁了很多條件那如果我們這一次像今天的專案報告我們這一次是因應美國的關稅的一個衝擊\n\n28\n00:09:55,158 --> 00:10:09,984\n這麼的嚴重的影響到國內的產業那也間接的直接的就影響到勞工員工那我覺得這樣子的資金的一個金融支持就應該要什麼應該要減變而且要大力的支持啦院長已經有指示從寬從減從速\n\n29\n00:10:14,526 --> 00:10:17,931\n中小微的貸款最高額度3500萬然後在250萬以內利息減碼1.5%然後100萬以內保證成數是10成另外還有外銷貸款的部分每一家最高6000萬的保證額度保證成數是\n\n30\n00:10:33,513 --> 00:10:53,864\n這個九成五那也減免這個保證的手續費最長兩年那麼另外有兩項補助轉型的補助當然雖然有研發可是也支持轉型包含設備購置的補助每一家五百萬那剛剛委員提到供應鏈如果一起來的話申請的話可以最高聯盟四千萬那海外分散訂單\n\n31\n00:10:55,585 --> 00:11:22,857\n分散市場海外訂單每一家五百萬如果一起來的話聯盟申請最高兩千萬我想這些兩項補助兩項貸款這個是現在已經都在受理中的那院長也有特別指示這個重減重塑以外針對這個加總關稅以後稅率比較高以及面對競爭對手他的關稅比較劣勢的特定的項目我們再加碼給予特別個案的支持\n\n32\n00:11:23,305 --> 00:11:49,789\n我還有兩項我希望舊貸不收新貸速審舊貸款不會把它收回來在這個時候新的貸款加速審查院長這兩句話是重點但是我要請主委好好的要求銀行我們在實務面上看到中小微企業碰到的銀行來的壓力不太像是院長所說的這兩個原則我們請主委來說明一下我想過去金融業過去面對到很多次類似的\n\n33\n00:11:50,709 --> 00:12:08,981\n這樣的一個困境的時候都有採取類似的動作我想這次也不例外陳同剛才院長講的就是我們只要是你這個展期比我們到今年12月31號你只要繼續經營而且繳期正常了這部分我們會展延這個六個月絕對沒問題假設我已經有看到這個問題的話我們會來了解來督促我們銀行確實辦理\n\n34\n00:12:12,714 --> 00:12:39,603\n我跟你講實際的狀況跟你了解的可能有落差我是希望我們早時間會後再來好好討論我下一頁就要告訴你為什麼資金的調度跟金融的支持很重要我去爬梳了一下數據院長你看到你會嚇一跳我們今年6月份的數據工廠歇業的數量比去年的同期多了174%\n\n35\n00:12:44,340 --> 00:12:55,423\n174%這個是從你們的資料調來的我必須講這個數字你可以再去doublecheck但是以我在中部地區我台中我剛剛講產業鏈的一個關係我的選區是最多的協力加工廠\n\n36\n00:13:09,827 --> 00:13:34,023\n你可以去我們各大這個工業區或是周邊零星工業區或是周邊區域去看一看這個歇業或者是這個門關起來沒有在運作的工廠廠房真的比以前多了很多那這個就是我剛剛講的很多工廠因為沒有訂單做事修山還好有的甚至叫做山修士\n\n37\n00:13:41,275 --> 00:13:42,621\n為什麼無薪假的人數會\n\n38\n00:13:44,714 --> 00:14:10,213\n創新高原因就在這裡啊那當然我知道我們勞動部部長你會跟我說我們有啟動一些的補助方案但是呢有很多中小微型特別是微型的加工廠他去申請的這個所有勞工的支持補助方案的比例是不高的部長你可以回去用你的這個補助的一個數據裡面好好的去盤點一下為什麼\n\n39\n00:14:11,354 --> 00:14:16,607\n特別是微型的加工廠他們可以申請到政府補助的比例是相對的低\n\n40\n00:14:17,543 --> 00:14:42,521\n跟委員說明其實現在我們從數據上面看到來申請的這個的減班休息的薪資補貼的大部分其實都是中小微的廠商中小微裡面我希望你能夠再進一步的去盤點中小微裡面的各自的申請比例因為這樣子才能夠作為政策的依據我們市民應該更大力的支持微型加工業\n\n41\n00:14:43,562 --> 00:15:09,331\n是那沒有錯比方說的確現在我覺得比較具挑戰比較辛苦的就是比如說金屬製品加工跟工具機跟機械業其實蠻多確實都是在中部的地方那這裡面他的確他有過去跟中國在搶單的問題但也有現在關稅跟匯率同時遇到的問題所以我們現在在我們的薪資補貼的範疇裡面其實我們把它放寬了現在放蠻寬的\n\n42\n00:15:10,447 --> 00:15:23,852\n是把匯率的影響也放進來不只是關稅的影響我們就覺得不用再特別一定要去區別你是匯率還是關稅所以這個特別請你大力宣傳有很多中小微企業是不知道的我最後的時間我是建議院長長期的基金來扶持\n\n43\n00:15:40,031 --> 00:15:40,052\n好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3305\t6609\t好 謝謝副院長那我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢\n19597\t40871\t委員長辛苦了剛剛看到在野黨委員的質詢真的是不給你講話的機會也不給同來背詢的各位首長講話的機會事實上質詢就是要好好的講清楚就算是在野監督執政也是要理性好好的溝通好好的講清楚\n41451\t63062\t真理是越辯越明讲清楚才能够让我们所有的台湾人民知道我们政府正在努力做什么就如同我们今天的专案报告对美的关税的谈判我们现在是暂时性的关税那也正在协商当中这一个立场这一个态度我想为了\n63682\t78010\t為了國家的民生經濟為了國人的就業為了很多的民生的食品安全等等我想我們盡力很多談判兩個字就是有來有往我們有要進攻也有要守護的\n79671\t93458\t可以從跟美國好好的談判的這個過程裡面能夠截取國家最大的利益院長這個才是我們真的今天這個專案報告安排需要好好談清楚之所在對不對院長\n94640\t109174\t對 我們一直秉持以國家利益 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製造業減班休息創今年來的新高這個都是勞動部的一個數字今天的自由時報也是大篇幅的報導台中的工具機 模具 塑膠製品 電子材料等傳統製造業大受影響 事實上我必須說不是只有這些產業只要涉及所有出口的產業都非常的\n377688\t403494\t民不聊生我要用這四個字為什麼要用這四個字因為呢在我台中的很多的產業還感受不到政府的這個輔助的措施到底能不能讓他們挺過這一次的難關院長這個就是說我是一個監督的角色我也必須要務實的把這些問題帶給行政院行政院的就應該要好好的對外說清楚我們有哪些的\n404154\t432057\t輔助方案我們又能夠怎麼簡化有效率能夠讓這些產業中小企業及其勞工知道院長您上個禮拜有到台中來開過座談會座談會上各工協會的理事長幹部也都有提出一些問題雖然在現場的時間很短沒有辦法一一的回答但是我請教一下院長您上次來到台中跟各工協會一起在討論座談那他們提出的問題\n433058\t454318\t有解方嗎中規矩向第一個我想大部分都提到了金融支持希望能夠給他們更多實質有效的金融支持這個回來我們已經請相關財政單位來做處理希望銀行能夠做一些有效的開放銀行會主委在這裡再來就是申請的手續太過的繁雜我們也希望說表格要簡化\n454798\t477425\t第二個我要一直要求經濟部從身份別來告訴你是什麼業者你是什麼身份你可以得到什麼樣的保障用這個方向來出發比他一個一個去查他能夠所有的產業支持的方案這樣可能比較有效如果你是中小企業你是手工具你是水母機你是用這個身份別來告訴業者你這樣就可以清楚\n479086\t504326\t必須要用產業鏈的一個概念來做輔導跟做補助我不能只有ABC我產業鏈裡面有可能他的協力廠商都是相關受到衝擊的那按照產業別之外還要用產業鏈的一個協力的一個團隊的一個產業來共同的來受到政府的補助或者是政府的支持我覺得這是很重要的一件事包括剛剛講的資金\n506748\t523721\t彈性調度以及金融支持的部分主委你要不要補充跟委員報告我們這次設計的那個這個產業支持方案其實我們除了有個案申請外我們還有這個研發的整個多家提案的一個補助就是剛剛委員提到的就是整個產業鏈\n525043\t540580\t整個供應鏈主委你剛剛講到研發兩個字我認為你要再回去調整現在受美國關稅跟不景氣的影響都已經衝擊很大了我們的企業端資方要在所謂的研發在投入資金對他們來講是難善加難\n542222\t565512\t所以你的這個資金的彈性運用是要如何因應這一次美國關稅以及匯率的影響造成雙重的壓力所以經濟不景氣沒有訂單所以他們維持他們員工的生計有困難所以他們企業的一個資金的調度需要政府支持我覺得用這樣子的角度去好好調整你的金融的協助對策確實我們在鍾曉微的這個貸款計畫裡面\n570914\t593276\t是有這樣的一個設計就是說我們除了新保金提高保證程數以外我們還有做利息補貼也可以讓中小企業可以減輕他的一個負擔院長我會問這一件事就在於我們過去對於這個中小微企業的一個金融支持我們綁了很多條件那如果我們這一次像今天的專案報告我們這一次是因應美國的關稅的一個衝擊\n595158\t609984\t這麼的嚴重的影響到國內的產業那也間接的直接的就影響到勞工員工那我覺得這樣子的資金的一個金融支持就應該要什麼應該要減變而且要大力的支持啦院長已經有指示從寬從減從速\n614526\t617931\t中小微的貸款最高額度3500萬然後在250萬以內利息減碼1.5%然後100萬以內保證成數是10成另外還有外銷貸款的部分每一家最高6000萬的保證額度保證成數是\n633513\t653864\t這個九成五那也減免這個保證的手續費最長兩年那麼另外有兩項補助轉型的補助當然雖然有研發可是也支持轉型包含設備購置的補助每一家五百萬那剛剛委員提到供應鏈如果一起來的話申請的話可以最高聯盟四千萬那海外分散訂單\n655585\t682857\t分散市場海外訂單每一家五百萬如果一起來的話聯盟申請最高兩千萬我想這些兩項補助兩項貸款這個是現在已經都在受理中的那院長也有特別指示這個重減重塑以外針對這個加總關稅以後稅率比較高以及面對競爭對手他的關稅比較劣勢的特定的項目我們再加碼給予特別個案的支持\n683305\t709789\t我還有兩項 我希望舊貸不收新貸速審舊貸款不會把它收回來在這個時候新的貸款加速審查院長這兩句話是重點但是我要請主委好好的要求銀行我們在實務面上看到中小微企業碰到的銀行來的壓力不太像是院長所說的這兩個原則我們請主委來說明一下我想過去金融業過去面對到很多次類似的\n710709\t728981\t這樣的一個困境的時候都有採取類似的動作我想這次也不例外陳同剛才院長講的就是我們只要是你這個展期比我們到今年12月31號你只要繼續經營而且繳期正常了這部分我們會展延這個六個月絕對沒問題假設我已經有看到這個問題的話我們會來了解來督促我們銀行確實辦理\n732714\t759603\t我跟你講實際的狀況跟你了解的可能有落差我是希望我們早時間會後再來好好討論我下一頁就要告訴你為什麼資金的調度跟金融的支持很重要我去爬梳了一下數據院長你看到你會嚇一跳我們今年6月份的數據工廠歇業的數量比去年的同期多了174%\n764340\t775423\t174%這個是從你們的資料調來的我必須講這個數字你可以再去double check但是以我在中部地區我台中我剛剛講產業鏈的一個關係我的選區是最多的協力加工廠\n789827\t814023\t你可以去我們各大這個工業區或是周邊零星工業區或是周邊區域去看一看這個歇業或者是這個門關起來沒有在運作的工廠廠房真的比以前多了很多那這個就是我剛剛講的很多工廠因為沒有訂單做事修山還好有的甚至叫做山修士\n821275\t822621\t為什麼無薪假的人數會\n824714\t850213\t創新高原因就在這裡啊那當然我知道我們勞動部部長你會跟我說我們有啟動一些的補助方案但是呢有很多中小微型特別是微型的加工廠他去申請的這個所有勞工的支持補助方案的比例是不高的部長你可以回去用你的這個補助的一個數據裡面好好的去盤點一下為什麼\n851354\t856607\t特別是微型的加工廠他們可以申請到政府補助的比例是相對的低\n857543\t882521\t跟委員說明其實現在我們從數據上面看到來申請的這個的減班休息的薪資補貼的大部分其實都是中小微的廠商中小微裡面我希望你能夠再進一步的去盤點中小微裡面的各自的申請比例因為這樣子才能夠作為政策的依據我們市民應該更大力的支持微型加工業\n883562\t909331\t是那沒有錯比方說的確現在我覺得比較具挑戰比較辛苦的就是比如說金屬製品加工跟工具機跟機械業其實蠻多確實都是在中部的地方那這裡面他的確他有過去跟中國在搶單的問題但也有現在關稅跟匯率同時遇到的問題所以我們現在在我們的薪資補貼的範疇裡面其實我們把它放寬了現在放蠻寬的\n910447\t923852\t是把匯率的影響也放進來不只是關稅的影響我們就覺得不用再特別一定要去區別你是匯率還是關稅所以這個特別請你大力宣傳有很多中小微企業是不知道的我最後的時間我是建議院長長期的基金來扶持\n940031\t940052\t好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝副院長那我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢\n委員長辛苦了剛剛看到在野黨委員的質詢真的是不給你講話的機會也不給同來背詢的各位首長講話的機會事實上質詢就是要好好的講清楚就算是在野監督執政也是要理性好好的溝通好好的講清楚\n真理是越辯越明讲清楚才能够让我们所有的台湾人民知道我们政府正在努力做什么就如同我们今天的专案报告对美的关税的谈判我们现在是暂时性的关税那也正在协商当中这一个立场这一个态度我想为了\n為了國家的民生經濟為了國人的就業為了很多的民生的食品安全等等我想我們盡力很多談判兩個字就是有來有往我們有要進攻也有要守護的\n可以從跟美國好好的談判的這個過程裡面能夠截取國家最大的利益院長這個才是我們真的今天這個專案報告安排需要好好談清楚之所在對不對院長\n對 我們一直秉持以國家利益 產業利益為最大優先進行談判那很多的細節我們都說過國際談判的慣例在還沒有到細節完全底定的時候是不能夠全部向外界來說明的但是我們有承諾依法\n談判抵定之後一定送到國會這個必須要的程序也是我們的憲政體制所以我們一定遵守我們要大大方方而且清楚直白的向國人說清楚免除國人的疑慮這就是我們行政院的責任對不對院長早上在報告裡面我也強調過這一點我們一定在談判\n達到協議的時候要向國人 向社會 向國會做說明同時依照條約第第結法相關裡面的條文必須送國會來審議我想這個是基本而且是必要的程序我也希望大家說總統希望兩院互動模式調整\n我也不認為這應該只是單方面的調整像這種質詢的內容應該體諒到整個談判團隊在目前他有一些必要的難處所以應該讓談判團隊更有大的一個空間但是只要原則性大家都能夠體會到支持談判團隊去把談判做好才是談判團隊最大的本錢\n我同意院長但是同樣站在監督的角色我也期待也認為行政院呢在對美談判的這個過程當中可以講的可以公開的應該要講清楚我覺得第一個這叫安民心第二個這個是讓我們國人知道我們的談判團隊是如何的辛苦因為我剛剛光是聽到\n我們到底實體去談判了幾次跟線上視訊的會議談判了幾次在野黨委員搞不清楚那如果連在野黨的委員都搞不清楚那表示一般國人也搞不清楚甚至產業界也搞不清楚那我的意思是說我們該讓人民知道的就該讓\n他們知道而且要清楚明白的講清楚我們實體的去談判四次就是四次有誰去每一次到底談判的團隊到底有誰又是談的相關可以公開的議題第二個\n我們視訊會議有三次三次我們又談了哪些又該是怎麼樣的讓階段性的讓國人清楚讓產業安心我覺得這個在我們作為監督的角色希望行政院跟談判團隊可不可以\n我們一定說明更清楚視訊會議是八月以來三次之前加起來十幾次所以剛剛在野黨委員所得知的跟現在講的你看次數又不一樣副院長有意思強調八月一號回來以後是三次報告委員四月以來四次實體每一次是數天然後中間有十次的視訊會議那我剛說明的三次是八月一號\n這個我們7月31號公布台灣階段性對等稅率之後我們又進行了三次的視訊會議那我們想每一次的實體會議都是我跟楊政委還有跨部會的代表一起去那每次會他們都有發布新聞不過盧委員所說的我們會善盡說明的責任我想我們會持續的向國會跟社會來說明談判的進度我覺得這是一定要的\n不然會造成很多不必要的誤解譬如說我們台中是傳統製造業在這一次受美國關稅衝擊最嚴重的地方之前我也要請鄭麗君副院長到台中來開過座談會那時候還沒有啟動談判之前那產業界就非常的擔心那時候也謝謝鄭麗君副院長代表院長來到現場來\n說明了一些我們可能會碰到的問題還有產業界提出的問題我們又該如何的有配套因應的措施我們台中現在不僅僅是美國關稅的問題加上匯率的問題雪上加霜雙重壓力造成我必須要讓院長跟各位知道這個無薪假\n越來越多 製造業減班休息創今年來的新高這個都是勞動部的一個數字今天的自由時報也是大篇幅的報導台中的工具機 模具 塑膠製品 電子材料等傳統製造業大受影響 事實上我必須說不是只有這些產業只要涉及所有出口的產業都非常的\n民不聊生我要用這四個字為什麼要用這四個字因為呢在我台中的很多的產業還感受不到政府的這個輔助的措施到底能不能讓他們挺過這一次的難關院長這個就是說我是一個監督的角色我也必須要務實的把這些問題帶給行政院行政院的就應該要好好的對外說清楚我們有哪些的\n輔助方案我們又能夠怎麼簡化有效率能夠讓這些產業中小企業及其勞工知道院長您上個禮拜有到台中來開過座談會座談會上各工協會的理事長幹部也都有提出一些問題雖然在現場的時間很短沒有辦法一一的回答但是我請教一下院長您上次來到台中跟各工協會一起在討論座談那他們提出的問題\n有解方嗎中規矩向第一個我想大部分都提到了金融支持希望能夠給他們更多實質有效的金融支持這個回來我們已經請相關財政單位來做處理希望銀行能夠做一些有效的開放銀行會主委在這裡再來就是申請的手續太過的繁雜我們也希望說表格要簡化\n第二個我要一直要求經濟部從身份別來告訴你是什麼業者你是什麼身份你可以得到什麼樣的保障用這個方向來出發比他一個一個去查他能夠所有的產業支持的方案這樣可能比較有效如果你是中小企業你是手工具你是水母機你是用這個身份別來告訴業者你這樣就可以清楚\n必須要用產業鏈的一個概念來做輔導跟做補助我不能只有ABC我產業鏈裡面有可能他的協力廠商都是相關受到衝擊的那按照產業別之外還要用產業鏈的一個協力的一個團隊的一個產業來共同的來受到政府的補助或者是政府的支持我覺得這是很重要的一件事包括剛剛講的資金\n彈性調度以及金融支持的部分主委你要不要補充跟委員報告我們這次設計的那個這個產業支持方案其實我們除了有個案申請外我們還有這個研發的整個多家提案的一個補助就是剛剛委員提到的就是整個產業鏈\n整個供應鏈主委你剛剛講到研發兩個字我認為你要再回去調整現在受美國關稅跟不景氣的影響都已經衝擊很大了我們的企業端資方要在所謂的研發在投入資金對他們來講是難善加難\n所以你的這個資金的彈性運用是要如何因應這一次美國關稅以及匯率的影響造成雙重的壓力所以經濟不景氣沒有訂單所以他們維持他們員工的生計有困難所以他們企業的一個資金的調度需要政府支持我覺得用這樣子的角度去好好調整你的金融的協助對策確實我們在鍾曉微的這個貸款計畫裡面\n是有這樣的一個設計就是說我們除了新保金提高保證程數以外我們還有做利息補貼也可以讓中小企業可以減輕他的一個負擔院長我會問這一件事就在於我們過去對於這個中小微企業的一個金融支持我們綁了很多條件那如果我們這一次像今天的專案報告我們這一次是因應美國的關稅的一個衝擊\n這麼的嚴重的影響到國內的產業那也間接的直接的就影響到勞工員工那我覺得這樣子的資金的一個金融支持就應該要什麼應該要減變而且要大力的支持啦院長已經有指示從寬從減從速\n中小微的貸款最高額度3500萬然後在250萬以內利息減碼1.5%然後100萬以內保證成數是10成另外還有外銷貸款的部分每一家最高6000萬的保證額度保證成數是\n這個九成五那也減免這個保證的手續費最長兩年那麼另外有兩項補助轉型的補助當然雖然有研發可是也支持轉型包含設備購置的補助每一家五百萬那剛剛委員提到供應鏈如果一起來的話申請的話可以最高聯盟四千萬那海外分散訂單\n分散市場海外訂單每一家五百萬如果一起來的話聯盟申請最高兩千萬我想這些兩項補助兩項貸款這個是現在已經都在受理中的那院長也有特別指示這個重減重塑以外針對這個加總關稅以後稅率比較高以及面對競爭對手他的關稅比較劣勢的特定的項目我們再加碼給予特別個案的支持\n我還有兩項 我希望舊貸不收新貸速審舊貸款不會把它收回來在這個時候新的貸款加速審查院長這兩句話是重點但是我要請主委好好的要求銀行我們在實務面上看到中小微企業碰到的銀行來的壓力不太像是院長所說的這兩個原則我們請主委來說明一下我想過去金融業過去面對到很多次類似的\n這樣的一個困境的時候都有採取類似的動作我想這次也不例外陳同剛才院長講的就是我們只要是你這個展期比我們到今年12月31號你只要繼續經營而且繳期正常了這部分我們會展延這個六個月絕對沒問題假設我已經有看到這個問題的話我們會來了解來督促我們銀行確實辦理\n我跟你講實際的狀況跟你了解的可能有落差我是希望我們早時間會後再來好好討論我下一頁就要告訴你為什麼資金的調度跟金融的支持很重要我去爬梳了一下數據院長你看到你會嚇一跳我們今年6月份的數據工廠歇業的數量比去年的同期多了174%\n174%這個是從你們的資料調來的我必須講這個數字你可以再去double check但是以我在中部地區我台中我剛剛講產業鏈的一個關係我的選區是最多的協力加工廠\n你可以去我們各大這個工業區或是周邊零星工業區或是周邊區域去看一看這個歇業或者是這個門關起來沒有在運作的工廠廠房真的比以前多了很多那這個就是我剛剛講的很多工廠因為沒有訂單做事修山還好有的甚至叫做山修士\n為什麼無薪假的人數會\n創新高原因就在這裡啊那當然我知道我們勞動部部長你會跟我說我們有啟動一些的補助方案但是呢有很多中小微型特別是微型的加工廠他去申請的這個所有勞工的支持補助方案的比例是不高的部長你可以回去用你的這個補助的一個數據裡面好好的去盤點一下為什麼\n特別是微型的加工廠他們可以申請到政府補助的比例是相對的低\n跟委員說明其實現在我們從數據上面看到來申請的這個的減班休息的薪資補貼的大部分其實都是中小微的廠商中小微裡面我希望你能夠再進一步的去盤點中小微裡面的各自的申請比例因為這樣子才能夠作為政策的依據我們市民應該更大力的支持微型加工業\n是那沒有錯比方說的確現在我覺得比較具挑戰比較辛苦的就是比如說金屬製品加工跟工具機跟機械業其實蠻多確實都是在中部的地方那這裡面他的確他有過去跟中國在搶單的問題但也有現在關稅跟匯率同時遇到的問題所以我們現在在我們的薪資補貼的範疇裡面其實我們把它放寬了現在放蠻寬的\n是把匯率的影響也放進來不只是關稅的影響我們就覺得不用再特別一定要去區別你是匯率還是關稅所以這個特別請你大力宣傳有很多中小微企業是不知道的我最後的時間我是建議院長長期的基金來扶持\n好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.305 --> 00:06.609\n好謝謝副院長那我們請卓院長請卓院長備詢\n\n00:19.597 --> 00:40.871\n委員長辛苦了剛剛看到在野黨委員的質詢真的是不給你講話的機會也不給同來背詢的各位首長講話的機會事實上質詢就是要好好的講清楚就算是在野監督執政也是要理性好好的溝通好好的講清楚\n\n00:41.451 --> 01:03.062\n真理是越辯越明讲清楚才能够让我们所有的台湾人民知道我们政府正在努力做什么就如同我们今天的专案报告对美的关税的谈判我们现在是暂时性的关税那也正在协商当中这一个立场这一个态度我想为了\n\n01:03.682 --> 01:18.010\n為了國家的民生經濟為了國人的就業為了很多的民生的食品安全等等我想我們盡力很多談判兩個字就是有來有往我們有要進攻也有要守護的\n\n01:19.671 --> 01:33.458\n可以從跟美國好好的談判的這個過程裡面能夠截取國家最大的利益院長這個才是我們真的今天這個專案報告安排需要好好談清楚之所在對不對院長\n\n01:34.640 --> 01:49.174\n對我們一直秉持以國家利益產業利益為最大優先進行談判那很多的細節我們都說過國際談判的慣例在還沒有到細節完全底定的時候是不能夠全部向外界來說明的但是我們有承諾依法\n\n01:50.323 --> 02:13.795\n談判抵定之後一定送到國會這個必須要的程序也是我們的憲政體制所以我們一定遵守我們要大大方方而且清楚直白的向國人說清楚免除國人的疑慮這就是我們行政院的責任對不對院長早上在報告裡面我也強調過這一點我們一定在談判\n\n02:15.100 --> 02:31.582\n達到協議的時候要向國人向社會向國會做說明同時依照條約第第結法相關裡面的條文必須送國會來審議我想這個是基本而且是必要的程序我也希望大家說總統希望兩院互動模式調整\n\n02:32.483 --> 02:52.014\n我也不認為這應該只是單方面的調整像這種質詢的內容應該體諒到整個談判團隊在目前他有一些必要的難處所以應該讓談判團隊更有大的一個空間但是只要原則性大家都能夠體會到支持談判團隊去把談判做好才是談判團隊最大的本錢\n\n02:53.542 --> 03:17.220\n我同意院長但是同樣站在監督的角色我也期待也認為行政院呢在對美談判的這個過程當中可以講的可以公開的應該要講清楚我覺得第一個這叫安民心第二個這個是讓我們國人知道我們的談判團隊是如何的辛苦因為我剛剛光是聽到\n\n03:18.661 --> 03:38.033\n我們到底實體去談判了幾次跟線上視訊的會議談判了幾次在野黨委員搞不清楚那如果連在野黨的委員都搞不清楚那表示一般國人也搞不清楚甚至產業界也搞不清楚那我的意思是說我們該讓人民知道的就該讓\n\n03:39.594 --> 03:54.050\n他們知道而且要清楚明白的講清楚我們實體的去談判四次就是四次有誰去每一次到底談判的團隊到底有誰又是談的相關可以公開的議題第二個\n\n03:54.611 --> 04:10.647\n我們視訊會議有三次三次我們又談了哪些又該是怎麼樣的讓階段性的讓國人清楚讓產業安心我覺得這個在我們作為監督的角色希望行政院跟談判團隊可不可以\n\n04:12.008 --> 04:36.061\n我們一定說明更清楚視訊會議是八月以來三次之前加起來十幾次所以剛剛在野黨委員所得知的跟現在講的你看次數又不一樣副院長有意思強調八月一號回來以後是三次報告委員四月以來四次實體每一次是數天然後中間有十次的視訊會議那我剛說明的三次是八月一號\n\n04:38.102 --> 05:01.842\n這個我們7月31號公布台灣階段性對等稅率之後我們又進行了三次的視訊會議那我們想每一次的實體會議都是我跟楊政委還有跨部會的代表一起去那每次會他們都有發布新聞不過盧委員所說的我們會善盡說明的責任我想我們會持續的向國會跟社會來說明談判的進度我覺得這是一定要的\n\n05:02.543 --> 05:25.264\n不然會造成很多不必要的誤解譬如說我們台中是傳統製造業在這一次受美國關稅衝擊最嚴重的地方之前我也要請鄭麗君副院長到台中來開過座談會那時候還沒有啟動談判之前那產業界就非常的擔心那時候也謝謝鄭麗君副院長代表院長來到現場來\n\n05:28.267 --> 05:49.661\n說明了一些我們可能會碰到的問題還有產業界提出的問題我們又該如何的有配套因應的措施我們台中現在不僅僅是美國關稅的問題加上匯率的問題雪上加霜雙重壓力造成我必須要讓院長跟各位知道這個無薪假\n\n05:50.481 --> 06:16.928\n越來越多製造業減班休息創今年來的新高這個都是勞動部的一個數字今天的自由時報也是大篇幅的報導台中的工具機模具塑膠製品電子材料等傳統製造業大受影響事實上我必須說不是只有這些產業只要涉及所有出口的產業都非常的\n\n06:17.688 --> 06:43.494\n民不聊生我要用這四個字為什麼要用這四個字因為呢在我台中的很多的產業還感受不到政府的這個輔助的措施到底能不能讓他們挺過這一次的難關院長這個就是說我是一個監督的角色我也必須要務實的把這些問題帶給行政院行政院的就應該要好好的對外說清楚我們有哪些的\n\n06:44.154 --> 07:12.057\n輔助方案我們又能夠怎麼簡化有效率能夠讓這些產業中小企業及其勞工知道院長您上個禮拜有到台中來開過座談會座談會上各工協會的理事長幹部也都有提出一些問題雖然在現場的時間很短沒有辦法一一的回答但是我請教一下院長您上次來到台中跟各工協會一起在討論座談那他們提出的問題\n\n07:13.058 --> 07:34.318\n有解方嗎中規矩向第一個我想大部分都提到了金融支持希望能夠給他們更多實質有效的金融支持這個回來我們已經請相關財政單位來做處理希望銀行能夠做一些有效的開放銀行會主委在這裡再來就是申請的手續太過的繁雜我們也希望說表格要簡化\n\n07:34.798 --> 07:57.425\n第二個我要一直要求經濟部從身份別來告訴你是什麼業者你是什麼身份你可以得到什麼樣的保障用這個方向來出發比他一個一個去查他能夠所有的產業支持的方案這樣可能比較有效如果你是中小企業你是手工具你是水母機你是用這個身份別來告訴業者你這樣就可以清楚\n\n07:59.086 --> 08:24.326\n必須要用產業鏈的一個概念來做輔導跟做補助我不能只有ABC我產業鏈裡面有可能他的協力廠商都是相關受到衝擊的那按照產業別之外還要用產業鏈的一個協力的一個團隊的一個產業來共同的來受到政府的補助或者是政府的支持我覺得這是很重要的一件事包括剛剛講的資金\n\n08:26.748 --> 08:43.721\n彈性調度以及金融支持的部分主委你要不要補充跟委員報告我們這次設計的那個這個產業支持方案其實我們除了有個案申請外我們還有這個研發的整個多家提案的一個補助就是剛剛委員提到的就是整個產業鏈\n\n08:45.043 --> 09:00.580\n整個供應鏈主委你剛剛講到研發兩個字我認為你要再回去調整現在受美國關稅跟不景氣的影響都已經衝擊很大了我們的企業端資方要在所謂的研發在投入資金對他們來講是難善加難\n\n09:02.222 --> 09:25.512\n所以你的這個資金的彈性運用是要如何因應這一次美國關稅以及匯率的影響造成雙重的壓力所以經濟不景氣沒有訂單所以他們維持他們員工的生計有困難所以他們企業的一個資金的調度需要政府支持我覺得用這樣子的角度去好好調整你的金融的協助對策確實我們在鍾曉微的這個貸款計畫裡面\n\n09:30.914 --> 09:53.276\n是有這樣的一個設計就是說我們除了新保金提高保證程數以外我們還有做利息補貼也可以讓中小企業可以減輕他的一個負擔院長我會問這一件事就在於我們過去對於這個中小微企業的一個金融支持我們綁了很多條件那如果我們這一次像今天的專案報告我們這一次是因應美國的關稅的一個衝擊\n\n09:55.158 --> 10:09.984\n這麼的嚴重的影響到國內的產業那也間接的直接的就影響到勞工員工那我覺得這樣子的資金的一個金融支持就應該要什麼應該要減變而且要大力的支持啦院長已經有指示從寬從減從速\n\n10:14.526 --> 10:17.931\n中小微的貸款最高額度3500萬然後在250萬以內利息減碼1.5%然後100萬以內保證成數是10成另外還有外銷貸款的部分每一家最高6000萬的保證額度保證成數是\n\n10:33.513 --> 10:53.864\n這個九成五那也減免這個保證的手續費最長兩年那麼另外有兩項補助轉型的補助當然雖然有研發可是也支持轉型包含設備購置的補助每一家五百萬那剛剛委員提到供應鏈如果一起來的話申請的話可以最高聯盟四千萬那海外分散訂單\n\n10:55.585 --> 11:22.857\n分散市場海外訂單每一家五百萬如果一起來的話聯盟申請最高兩千萬我想這些兩項補助兩項貸款這個是現在已經都在受理中的那院長也有特別指示這個重減重塑以外針對這個加總關稅以後稅率比較高以及面對競爭對手他的關稅比較劣勢的特定的項目我們再加碼給予特別個案的支持\n\n11:23.305 --> 11:49.789\n我還有兩項我希望舊貸不收新貸速審舊貸款不會把它收回來在這個時候新的貸款加速審查院長這兩句話是重點但是我要請主委好好的要求銀行我們在實務面上看到中小微企業碰到的銀行來的壓力不太像是院長所說的這兩個原則我們請主委來說明一下我想過去金融業過去面對到很多次類似的\n\n11:50.709 --> 12:08.981\n這樣的一個困境的時候都有採取類似的動作我想這次也不例外陳同剛才院長講的就是我們只要是你這個展期比我們到今年12月31號你只要繼續經營而且繳期正常了這部分我們會展延這個六個月絕對沒問題假設我已經有看到這個問題的話我們會來了解來督促我們銀行確實辦理\n\n12:12.714 --> 12:39.603\n我跟你講實際的狀況跟你了解的可能有落差我是希望我們早時間會後再來好好討論我下一頁就要告訴你為什麼資金的調度跟金融的支持很重要我去爬梳了一下數據院長你看到你會嚇一跳我們今年6月份的數據工廠歇業的數量比去年的同期多了174%\n\n12:44.340 --> 12:55.423\n174%這個是從你們的資料調來的我必須講這個數字你可以再去doublecheck但是以我在中部地區我台中我剛剛講產業鏈的一個關係我的選區是最多的協力加工廠\n\n13:09.827 --> 13:34.023\n你可以去我們各大這個工業區或是周邊零星工業區或是周邊區域去看一看這個歇業或者是這個門關起來沒有在運作的工廠廠房真的比以前多了很多那這個就是我剛剛講的很多工廠因為沒有訂單做事修山還好有的甚至叫做山修士\n\n13:41.275 --> 13:42.621\n為什麼無薪假的人數會\n\n13:44.714 --> 14:10.213\n創新高原因就在這裡啊那當然我知道我們勞動部部長你會跟我說我們有啟動一些的補助方案但是呢有很多中小微型特別是微型的加工廠他去申請的這個所有勞工的支持補助方案的比例是不高的部長你可以回去用你的這個補助的一個數據裡面好好的去盤點一下為什麼\n\n14:11.354 --> 14:16.607\n特別是微型的加工廠他們可以申請到政府補助的比例是相對的低\n\n14:17.543 --> 14:42.521\n跟委員說明其實現在我們從數據上面看到來申請的這個的減班休息的薪資補貼的大部分其實都是中小微的廠商中小微裡面我希望你能夠再進一步的去盤點中小微裡面的各自的申請比例因為這樣子才能夠作為政策的依據我們市民應該更大力的支持微型加工業\n\n14:43.562 --> 15:09.331\n是那沒有錯比方說的確現在我覺得比較具挑戰比較辛苦的就是比如說金屬製品加工跟工具機跟機械業其實蠻多確實都是在中部的地方那這裡面他的確他有過去跟中國在搶單的問題但也有現在關稅跟匯率同時遇到的問題所以我們現在在我們的薪資補貼的範疇裡面其實我們把它放寬了現在放蠻寬的\n\n15:10.447 --> 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