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00:02:06,893\n是由我們現在坐在這邊的閣員們所提出來的他不能說他沒有看過這些預算書是不是那但是呢我不曉得會走多少人也就是說也許你提了預算書最後不是你在執行所以那個改組的幅度是重要的但是呢\n\n7\n00:02:08,066 --> 00:02:33,839\n最近您也可以看到除了賴總統他的民調滿意度已經跌破三成以下包含您本身以及內閣的滿意度也跌到三成以下所以我想請問院長我想請問院長除了內閣改組之外現在我們所提出來的追加預算我們如果按照你們所提出來878億也就是\n\n8\n00:02:37,521 --> 00:02:58,175\n如果全數給你們的話那麼今年度的預算就突破了三兆突破了三兆原來就已經是歷史新高現在又變成歷史新高而且突破三兆所以我想請問院長在我們這些追加預算裡面\n\n9\n00:02:59,653 --> 00:03:08,244\n您認為你提出了什麼樣的有感的政策讓人民會有感會提升你們的施政滿意度\n\n10\n00:03:09,636 --> 00:03:35,528\n就是照這次在大院審查今年度中央政權總預算的時候這個通山部分的939億那讓行政院要自行刪減636億這個部分確實讓大家都有感而且是非常不好的感覺不論是中央或是我們後來沒有辦法左撿地方你刪掉地方補助款大家人民才覺得不好啊\n\n11\n00:03:36,528 --> 00:03:52,267\n大家感覺才不好啊中央如果自行刪減636億將會造成所有的預算變成自力破碎很多的部會要被刪減到無法執行我想這也不是當初包括委員您大院所有委員所希望看到院長啊\n\n12\n00:03:52,768 --> 00:04:08,360\n你們還在追究636億其實我要告訴你在你878億裡面待會我會跟你說哪些部分基本上我們會支持但是我現在要跟你討論的是\n\n13\n00:04:09,801 --> 00:04:32,626\n你們現在除了那有幾項是因為新增或者因為法定就是我們立法院通過的法令通過的預算之外你們有關於各部會所提出來的預算包含外交部一共提出來了142億的追加碼對不對包含外交部啊\n\n14\n00:04:33,922 --> 00:04:57,907\n外交部沒有提出142億我就說各部會再加上外交部外交部11億嘛對不對然後你其他各部會是132億嘛院長我不曉得你有沒有看這些預算這些所有的這個132億的預算幾乎大部分都是什麼呢他不是新的證物\n\n15\n00:04:59,022 --> 00:05:19,396\n他不是新的政務原來的預算經刪減之後他無法支應這個政務的執行被立法院刪減之後呢你們現在來搞復活賽嘛就先來搞一個復活賽因為你不爽不爽被刪嘛然後現在要求把它編回來這沒有什麼不爽所以我才問這個追加預算\n\n16\n00:05:25,140 --> 00:05:44,292\n這些132億哪一個符合預算法裡面的追加預算預算法它是說如果你執行證物有新的事項發生執行有重大事件重大事件發生那這個就是因為重大事件譬如說像罷免嘛公投吧\n\n17\n00:05:45,336 --> 00:06:13,902\n这个是属于预算法追加预算符合其他都是你这130岁你刚讲了绝大部分都是你们在114年度总预算送到立法院来被我们删除之后你现在又要求重编回来请问一下他有什么第一个他有重大事故吗第二个他是新设计官吗第三个他是因为法律而增加吗都不是\n\n18\n00:06:14,762 --> 00:06:33,228\n所以基本上他們並不符合預算法裡面應該追加預算的連主計長上來我看他都在那邊手忙腳亂所以院長啊我剛剛講你們現在說要調整你們的步伐調整你們的政策\n\n19\n00:06:36,488 --> 00:07:00,624\n賴總統說從現在開始要民生優先經濟優先弱勢優先青年優先我沒有看過這樣自贈己罪的啦這代表什麼呢你們之前這些都沒有優先不是這樣的邏輯當然是你為什麼現在說我要調整這些要優先所以你之前這些都沒有優先你們之前都在搞政治囉你們之前都在搞鬥爭囉沒有沒有這個委員不要這樣誤會總統的意思\n\n20\n00:07:02,205 --> 00:07:05,506\n所以在你們這878億裡面我剛才講譬如說你對於地方補助款的636億基本上我們會支持因為現在地方政府嗷嗷待哺有些地方政府都在舉債很可憐\n\n21\n00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:57,498\n所以我們不得不支持你進法補償條例是因為立法院通過的預算所以我們也可以支持還有包含國軍的加薪我們也可以支持但是其他有關的一些項目你讓我們怎麼支持呢我剛講公投的預算也要支持我待會就要講這個事你們很扯\n\n22\n00:07:58,700 --> 00:08:17,237\n你要讲公投公投和罢免我先讲这132亿里面绝大部分都是回补回编过来我还没讲完回编过来我刚讲想搞复活赛吗比如说内政部他的回编率高达九成以上\n\n23\n00:08:18,098 --> 00:08:36,733\n海委會高達八成以上那我想請問我就很仔細看這預算書囉有什麼我們輸漏的當時給你刪掉的譬如你們那時候在這個預算啊藍白亂山預算一大堆的謠言我就請問了內政部說我們把房屋租金刪掉了有回編回來嗎有嗎來\n\n24\n00:08:40,396 --> 00:08:55,358\n劳动部说我们把育儿留职津贴删掉了有吗劳动部里面的预算书里面有吗张尊涵马上叫当你的秘书长说我们把中小企业的预算都删掉了请问一下预算书里面有吗有删吗\n\n25\n00:08:56,255 --> 00:09:21,391\n當初也許是因為有些是凍結那我們在論書的時候把凍結跟刪除院長要不要道歉如果是因為院長要不要道歉如果我們論刪請問為什麼這件預算書裡面沒有編回來為什麼沒有你要不要道歉報告委員如果是因為凍結而誤戳為刪除那這一點我表示道歉但是凍結之後有回復的部分我也表示感謝\n\n26\n00:09:22,961 --> 00:09:36,974\n所以當時有多少造謠尤其在這邊包含內政部長勞動部長財政部長你們造謠多少如果當時有一扇玉山你們應該別回來確實有很多是三尺的我們該刪應當刪就刪你剛剛講公投和罷免\n\n27\n00:09:48,339 --> 00:09:52,208\n崩頭和罷免請問一下我們曾經問過你們的二背經\n\n28\n00:09:55,672 --> 00:10:23,905\n來我們先放二倍金二倍金在8月15號二倍金裡面就已經有因應公投以及罷免的相關預算的請款請問一下為什麼又要編在追加預算是怎麼樣你們要再搞一次大罷免嗎二倍金有二倍金更需要的用途那如果這間預算能夠同意的話那這個會歸電給二倍金那二倍金他會比較完整以應不時之需謝謝委員\n\n29\n00:10:24,645 --> 00:10:42,392\n因為當時我們就說嘛你們搞一個罷免用的就是二倍金是救命錢你們現在害怕了來追加預算院長你也當過政治人物除了組紀長之外你們兩位都當過政治人物\n\n30\n00:10:43,459 --> 00:11:00,264\n你來罷免我你來罷免我現在請我把這個錢給你罷免的錢給你用納稅人的錢給你請問一下全體老百姓這都是全體納稅人的錢納稅人有讓你們搞大罷免嗎\n\n31\n00:11:01,530 --> 00:11:20,738\n那些人又要讓你們搞這樣鬥爭嗎然後現在你還可以誇誇其言說欸公投跟罷免的錢你們應該要給我們公投會給你公投是立法院通過的請問罷免罷免是現在從726到823你可以看到人民的選擇\n\n32\n00:11:23,659 --> 00:11:49,633\n台灣人民太有智慧了台灣人民太有智慧結果你現在要納稅人錢幫你付這個大罷免錢你去跟民進黨黨部要好不好你不應該去跟民進黨黨部要跟七鳥要啊對不對那黑熊要啊第一段是我沒有罷免你我們這個我沒有罷免你這是第一段第一段公投是公民所發動的對不起罷免是公民所發動的\n\n33\n00:11:51,394 --> 00:12:09,283\n公投是立法院所發動的在行政機關看起來都是一樣而且我認為如果以人民至上的話更不應該說立法院發動的您支持人民發動的您不支持人民發動是人民發動的嗎還是民進黨發動民進黨團天天在這邊大罷免大成功我跟你講啊罷免的錢拜託你\n\n34\n00:12:18,587 --> 00:12:26,630\n去跟民進黨跟民進黨去黨部去要時間暫停一下時間暫停一下我請顧立雄部長時間暫停我請顧立雄部長麻煩請國防部長備詢\n\n35\n00:12:51,075 --> 00:13:05,490\n委員請部長在這一次的追加預算裡面院長我跟你講你的沒宣費也全部把它編回來這個部分我直接講我們不會同意另外這兩天\n\n36\n00:13:08,152 --> 00:13:29,686\n國防部要求各級單位不能再用志願役加緊三萬塊再來招募人員那這裡面其實已引起很多的現役軍人的反彈或者他們的焦慮昨天還有就是我們現役軍人的眷屬來拜託我說這一筆拜託因為他們還在\n\n37\n00:13:32,828 --> 00:13:48,776\n養小孩能不能就能夠實現所以我想請教部長在今年非常特殊我們過去這些軍事學校常常都招不足兵員出現了問題他們的未來我們的兵員\n\n38\n00:13:49,716 --> 00:14:11,764\n就今年很特別清閣軍事院校報到人數創新高全部招收額滿這當然跟在立法院通過的這個加薪的法案有關係好現在呢你們不編預算請問一下部長你認為會不會重創我們現役現在一線國軍弟兄的士氣\n\n39\n00:14:13,333 --> 00:14:27,069\n跟委員報告我想提升國軍的待遇來照顧官兵及家軍的福利是我們慈恆一直在做事實上今年的四月一號六月一號七月一號行政院都已經合併陸續來提高\n\n40\n00:14:29,472 --> 00:14:52,845\n志願役的家籍戰鬥部隊的家籍我們剛剛講你們追加預算我們會同意我們追加預算讓院長放心就是追加這個國軍待遇的部分我們會同意但是現在是立法院所通過的你們不編預算會不會衝創國軍士氣另外比如說像三立新聞因為為了要護航嘛他說\n\n41\n00:14:54,159 --> 00:14:58,962\n軍人不是以服從為天職嗎現在阿兵哥比上班族還敢喊加薪喔部長你同不同意這句話剛沒聽清楚您說\n\n42\n00:15:05,165 --> 00:15:33,391\n他說軍人不是以服從為天職嗎現在阿兵哥比上班族還敢喊加薪嗎請問您同不同意這個話同不同意這樣的論述我想國防部的立場就是我們後續還會有相關的規劃包括我們考量部隊的人力專長任務的性質還有危險的工作危險的程度等等我們會來持續規劃那現在我想行政院有其整體的考量\n\n43\n00:15:34,031 --> 00:15:46,801\n就這一個您現在提到的應該是志願役三萬塊的這個加級的部分嘛那志願役三萬塊加級的部分依照行政院的指導它整體上有一個整體性的考量一個橫平性的考量院長完全不會編這筆預算嗎\n\n44\n00:16:16,774 --> 00:16:18,955\n好謝謝王宏偉委員質詢也謝謝卓院長相關部會\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6363\t26580\t好 謝謝主席 先請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢黃委員好好 院長好在談預算之前先談執行預算的人\n27540\t53169\t您昨天有講內閣改組大概這個禮拜完成那我想請問一下內閣改組的幅度那這次會撤換的相關的閣員包含國安的部分會超過五人以上嗎包含國安喔國安不在我們現在所謂內閣的名單當中那是府方在處理的那會超過五人以上嗎\n55535\t77241\t有的是首長們自行因為自己的原因提出了我知道有人提此自信有人不願意提此自信如果是從部長加次長的話我認為人數超過五人超過五人有可能超過十人以上嗎這個十人以下五人以上\n79118\t86230\t數字不代表一切啦我們希望如果有熱誠進來團隊服務的未來是要展現出院長我為什麼問這個問題\n88570\t107749\t因為其實內閣改組的幅度外界是非常關切的尤其你們已經相繼提出包含今天的追加預算還有明年度的總預算因為預算是人在執行的所以為什麼要問內閣改組的幅度因為今天我們看到的預算書\n109571\t126893\t是由我們現在坐在這邊的閣員們所提出來的他不能說他沒有看過這些預算書是不是那但是呢我不曉得會走多少人也就是說也許你提了預算書最後不是你在執行所以那個改組的幅度是重要的但是呢\n128066\t153839\t最近您也可以看到除了賴總統他的民調滿意度已經跌破三成以下包含您本身以及內閣的滿意度也跌到三成以下所以我想請問院長我想請問院長除了內閣改組之外現在我們所提出來的追加預算我們如果按照你們所提出來878億也就是\n157521\t178175\t如果全數給你們的話那麼今年度的預算就突破了三兆突破了三兆原來就已經是歷史新高現在又變成歷史新高而且突破三兆所以我想請問院長在我們這些追加預算裡面\n179653\t188244\t您認為你提出了什麼樣的有感的政策讓人民會有感會提升你們的施政滿意度\n189636\t215528\t就是照這次在大院審查今年度中央政權總預算的時候這個通山部分的939億那讓行政院要自行刪減636億這個部分確實讓大家都有感而且是非常不好的感覺不論是中央或是我們後來沒有辦法 左撿地方你刪掉地方補助款大家人民才覺得不好啊\n216528\t232267\t大家感覺才不好啊中央如果自行刪減636億將會造成所有的預算變成自力破碎很多的部會要被刪減到無法執行我想這也不是當初包括委員您大院所有委員所希望看到院長啊\n232768\t248360\t你們還在追究636億其實我要告訴你在你878億裡面待會我會跟你說哪些部分基本上我們會支持但是我現在要跟你討論的是\n249801\t272626\t你們現在除了那有幾項是因為新增或者因為法定就是我們立法院通過的法令通過的預算之外你們有關於各部會所提出來的預算包含外交部一共提出來了142億的追加碼對不對包含外交部啊\n273922\t297907\t外交部沒有提出142億我就說各部會再加上外交部外交部11億嘛對不對然後你其他各部會是132億嘛院長我不曉得你有沒有看這些預算這些所有的這個132億的預算幾乎大部分都是什麼呢他不是新的證物\n299022\t319396\t他不是新的政務原來的預算經刪減之後他無法支應這個政務的執行被立法院刪減之後呢你們現在來搞復活賽嘛就先來搞一個復活賽因為你不爽不爽被刪嘛然後現在要求把它編回來這沒有什麼不爽所以我才問這個追加預算\n325140\t344292\t這些132億哪一個符合預算法裡面的追加預算預算法它是說如果你執行證物有新的事項發生執行有重大事件重大事件發生那這個就是因為重大事件譬如說像罷免嘛公投吧\n345336\t373902\t这个是属于预算法追加预算符合其他都是你这130岁你刚讲了绝大部分都是你们在114年度总预算送到立法院来被我们删除之后你现在又要求重编回来请问一下他有什么第一个他有重大事故吗第二个他是新设计官吗第三个他是因为法律而增加吗都不是\n374762\t393228\t所以基本上他們並不符合預算法裡面應該追加預算的連主計長上來我看他都在那邊手忙腳亂所以院長啊我剛剛講你們現在說要調整你們的步伐調整你們的政策\n396488\t420624\t賴總統說從現在開始要民生優先 經濟優先 弱勢優先 青年優先我沒有看過這樣自贈己罪的啦這代表什麼呢 你們之前這些都沒有優先不是這樣的邏輯當然是 你為什麼現在說我要調整這些要優先 所以你之前這些都沒有優先你們之前都在搞政治囉 你們之前都在搞鬥爭囉沒有沒有 這個委員不要這樣誤會總統的意思\n422205\t425506\t所以在你們這878億裡面我剛才講譬如說你對於地方補助款的636億基本上我們會支持因為現在地方政府嗷嗷待哺有些地方政府都在舉債很可憐\n448448\t477498\t所以我們不得不支持你進法補償條例是因為立法院通過的預算所以我們也可以支持還有包含國軍的加薪我們也可以支持但是其他有關的一些項目你讓我們怎麼支持呢我剛講公投的預算也要支持我待會就要講這個事你們很扯\n478700\t497237\t你要讲公投公投和罢免我先讲这132亿里面绝大部分都是回补回编过来我还没讲完回编过来我刚讲想搞复活赛吗比如说内政部他的回编率高达九成以上\n498098\t516733\t海委會高達八成以上那我想請問我就很仔細看這預算書囉有什麼我們輸漏的當時給你刪掉的譬如你們那時候在這個預算啊藍白亂山預算一大堆的謠言我就請問了內政部說我們把房屋租金刪掉了有回編回來嗎有嗎來\n520396\t535358\t劳动部说我们把育儿留职津贴删掉了有吗劳动部里面的预算书里面有吗张尊涵马上叫当你的秘书长说我们把中小企业的预算都删掉了请问一下预算书里面有吗有删吗\n536255\t561391\t當初也許是因為有些是凍結那我們在論書的時候把凍結跟刪除 院長要不要道歉如果是因為 院長要不要道歉如果我們論刪 請問為什麼這件預算書裡面沒有編回來為什麼沒有 你要不要道歉報告委員 如果是因為凍結而誤戳為刪除那這一點我表示道歉但是凍結之後有回復的部分我也表示感謝\n562961\t576974\t所以當時有多少造謠 尤其在這邊包含內政部長 勞動部長 財政部長你們造謠多少 如果當時有一扇玉山 你們應該別回來確實有很多是三尺的我們該刪 應當刪就刪 你剛剛講公投和罷免\n588339\t592208\t崩頭和罷免 請問一下我們曾經問過你們的二背經\n595672\t623905\t來我們先放二倍金二倍金在8月15號二倍金裡面就已經有因應公投以及罷免的相關預算的請款請問一下為什麼又要編在追加預算是怎麼樣你們要再搞一次大罷免嗎二倍金有二倍金更需要的用途那如果這間預算能夠同意的話那這個會歸電給二倍金那二倍金他會比較完整以應不時之需謝謝委員\n624645\t642392\t因為當時我們就說嘛你們搞一個罷免用的就是二倍金是救命錢你們現在害怕了來追加預算院長你也當過政治人物除了組紀長之外你們兩位都當過政治人物\n643459\t660264\t你來罷免我你來罷免我現在請我把這個錢給你罷免的錢給你用納稅人的錢給你請問一下全體老百姓這都是全體納稅人的錢納稅人有讓你們搞大罷免嗎\n661530\t680738\t那些人又要讓你們搞這樣鬥爭嗎然後現在你還可以誇誇其言說欸公投跟罷免的錢你們應該要給我們公投會給你公投是立法院通過的請問罷免罷免是現在從726到823你可以看到人民的選擇\n683659\t709633\t台灣人民太有智慧了台灣人民太有智慧結果你現在要納稅人錢幫你付這個大罷免錢你去跟民進黨黨部要好不好你不應該去跟民進黨黨部要 跟七鳥要啊對不對 那黑熊要啊第一段是我沒有罷免你我們這個我沒有罷免你 這是第一段第一段公投是公民所發動的對不起 罷免是公民所發動的\n711394\t729283\t公投是立法院所發動的在行政機關看起來都是一樣而且我認為如果以人民至上的話更不應該說立法院發動的您支持人民發動的您不支持人民發動是人民發動的嗎還是民進黨發動民進黨團天天在這邊大罷免大成功我跟你講啊罷免的錢拜託你\n738587\t746630\t去跟民進黨跟民進黨去黨部去要時間暫停一下時間暫停一下我請顧立雄部長時間暫停我請顧立雄部長麻煩請國防部長備詢\n771075\t785490\t委員請部長在這一次的追加預算裡面院長我跟你講你的沒宣費也全部把它編回來這個部分我直接講我們不會同意另外這兩天\n788152\t809686\t國防部要求各級單位不能再用志願役加緊三萬塊再來招募人員那這裡面其實已引起很多的現役軍人的反彈或者他們的焦慮昨天還有就是我們現役軍人的眷屬來拜託我說這一筆拜託因為他們還在\n812828\t828776\t養小孩能不能就能夠實現所以我想請教部長在今年非常特殊我們過去這些軍事學校常常都招不足兵員出現了問題他們的未來我們的兵員\n829716\t851764\t就今年很特別清閣軍事院校報到人數創新高全部招收額滿這當然跟在立法院通過的這個加薪的法案有關係好現在呢你們不編預算請問一下部長你認為會不會重創我們現役現在一線國軍弟兄的士氣\n853333\t867069\t跟委員報告我想提升國軍的待遇來照顧官兵及家軍的福利是我們慈恆一直在做事實上今年的四月一號六月一號七月一號行政院都已經合併陸續來提高\n869472\t892845\t志願役的家籍 戰鬥部隊的家籍我們剛剛講你們追加預算 我們會同意我們追加預算讓院長放心就是追加這個國軍待遇的部分我們會同意但是現在是立法院所通過的你們不編預算會不會衝創國軍士氣另外 比如說像三立新聞因為為了要護航嘛 他說\n894159\t898962\t軍人不是以服從為天職嗎現在阿兵哥比上班族還敢喊加薪喔部長 你同不同意這句話剛沒聽清楚 您說\n905165\t933391\t他說軍人不是以服從為天職嗎現在阿兵哥比上班族還敢喊加薪嗎請問您同不同意這個話同不同意這樣的論述我想國防部的立場就是我們後續還會有相關的規劃包括我們考量部隊的人力專長任務的性質還有危險的工作危險的程度等等我們會來持續規劃那現在我想行政院有其整體的考量\n934031\t946801\t就這一個您現在提到的應該是志願役三萬塊的這個加級的部分嘛那志願役三萬塊加級的部分依照行政院的指導它整體上有一個整體性的考量一個橫平性的考量院長 完全不會編這筆預算嗎\n976774\t978955\t好 謝謝王宏偉委員質詢也謝謝卓院長相關部會\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 先請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢黃委員好好 院長好在談預算之前先談執行預算的人\n您昨天有講內閣改組大概這個禮拜完成那我想請問一下內閣改組的幅度那這次會撤換的相關的閣員包含國安的部分會超過五人以上嗎包含國安喔國安不在我們現在所謂內閣的名單當中那是府方在處理的那會超過五人以上嗎\n有的是首長們自行因為自己的原因提出了我知道有人提此自信有人不願意提此自信如果是從部長加次長的話我認為人數超過五人超過五人有可能超過十人以上嗎這個十人以下五人以上\n數字不代表一切啦我們希望如果有熱誠進來團隊服務的未來是要展現出院長我為什麼問這個問題\n因為其實內閣改組的幅度外界是非常關切的尤其你們已經相繼提出包含今天的追加預算還有明年度的總預算因為預算是人在執行的所以為什麼要問內閣改組的幅度因為今天我們看到的預算書\n是由我們現在坐在這邊的閣員們所提出來的他不能說他沒有看過這些預算書是不是那但是呢我不曉得會走多少人也就是說也許你提了預算書最後不是你在執行所以那個改組的幅度是重要的但是呢\n最近您也可以看到除了賴總統他的民調滿意度已經跌破三成以下包含您本身以及內閣的滿意度也跌到三成以下所以我想請問院長我想請問院長除了內閣改組之外現在我們所提出來的追加預算我們如果按照你們所提出來878億也就是\n如果全數給你們的話那麼今年度的預算就突破了三兆突破了三兆原來就已經是歷史新高現在又變成歷史新高而且突破三兆所以我想請問院長在我們這些追加預算裡面\n您認為你提出了什麼樣的有感的政策讓人民會有感會提升你們的施政滿意度\n就是照這次在大院審查今年度中央政權總預算的時候這個通山部分的939億那讓行政院要自行刪減636億這個部分確實讓大家都有感而且是非常不好的感覺不論是中央或是我們後來沒有辦法 左撿地方你刪掉地方補助款大家人民才覺得不好啊\n大家感覺才不好啊中央如果自行刪減636億將會造成所有的預算變成自力破碎很多的部會要被刪減到無法執行我想這也不是當初包括委員您大院所有委員所希望看到院長啊\n你們還在追究636億其實我要告訴你在你878億裡面待會我會跟你說哪些部分基本上我們會支持但是我現在要跟你討論的是\n你們現在除了那有幾項是因為新增或者因為法定就是我們立法院通過的法令通過的預算之外你們有關於各部會所提出來的預算包含外交部一共提出來了142億的追加碼對不對包含外交部啊\n外交部沒有提出142億我就說各部會再加上外交部外交部11億嘛對不對然後你其他各部會是132億嘛院長我不曉得你有沒有看這些預算這些所有的這個132億的預算幾乎大部分都是什麼呢他不是新的證物\n他不是新的政務原來的預算經刪減之後他無法支應這個政務的執行被立法院刪減之後呢你們現在來搞復活賽嘛就先來搞一個復活賽因為你不爽不爽被刪嘛然後現在要求把它編回來這沒有什麼不爽所以我才問這個追加預算\n這些132億哪一個符合預算法裡面的追加預算預算法它是說如果你執行證物有新的事項發生執行有重大事件重大事件發生那這個就是因為重大事件譬如說像罷免嘛公投吧\n这个是属于预算法追加预算符合其他都是你这130岁你刚讲了绝大部分都是你们在114年度总预算送到立法院来被我们删除之后你现在又要求重编回来请问一下他有什么第一个他有重大事故吗第二个他是新设计官吗第三个他是因为法律而增加吗都不是\n所以基本上他們並不符合預算法裡面應該追加預算的連主計長上來我看他都在那邊手忙腳亂所以院長啊我剛剛講你們現在說要調整你們的步伐調整你們的政策\n賴總統說從現在開始要民生優先 經濟優先 弱勢優先 青年優先我沒有看過這樣自贈己罪的啦這代表什麼呢 你們之前這些都沒有優先不是這樣的邏輯當然是 你為什麼現在說我要調整這些要優先 所以你之前這些都沒有優先你們之前都在搞政治囉 你們之前都在搞鬥爭囉沒有沒有 這個委員不要這樣誤會總統的意思\n所以在你們這878億裡面我剛才講譬如說你對於地方補助款的636億基本上我們會支持因為現在地方政府嗷嗷待哺有些地方政府都在舉債很可憐\n所以我們不得不支持你進法補償條例是因為立法院通過的預算所以我們也可以支持還有包含國軍的加薪我們也可以支持但是其他有關的一些項目你讓我們怎麼支持呢我剛講公投的預算也要支持我待會就要講這個事你們很扯\n你要讲公投公投和罢免我先讲这132亿里面绝大部分都是回补回编过来我还没讲完回编过来我刚讲想搞复活赛吗比如说内政部他的回编率高达九成以上\n海委會高達八成以上那我想請問我就很仔細看這預算書囉有什麼我們輸漏的當時給你刪掉的譬如你們那時候在這個預算啊藍白亂山預算一大堆的謠言我就請問了內政部說我們把房屋租金刪掉了有回編回來嗎有嗎來\n劳动部说我们把育儿留职津贴删掉了有吗劳动部里面的预算书里面有吗张尊涵马上叫当你的秘书长说我们把中小企业的预算都删掉了请问一下预算书里面有吗有删吗\n當初也許是因為有些是凍結那我們在論書的時候把凍結跟刪除 院長要不要道歉如果是因為 院長要不要道歉如果我們論刪 請問為什麼這件預算書裡面沒有編回來為什麼沒有 你要不要道歉報告委員 如果是因為凍結而誤戳為刪除那這一點我表示道歉但是凍結之後有回復的部分我也表示感謝\n所以當時有多少造謠 尤其在這邊包含內政部長 勞動部長 財政部長你們造謠多少 如果當時有一扇玉山 你們應該別回來確實有很多是三尺的我們該刪 應當刪就刪 你剛剛講公投和罷免\n崩頭和罷免 請問一下我們曾經問過你們的二背經\n來我們先放二倍金二倍金在8月15號二倍金裡面就已經有因應公投以及罷免的相關預算的請款請問一下為什麼又要編在追加預算是怎麼樣你們要再搞一次大罷免嗎二倍金有二倍金更需要的用途那如果這間預算能夠同意的話那這個會歸電給二倍金那二倍金他會比較完整以應不時之需謝謝委員\n因為當時我們就說嘛你們搞一個罷免用的就是二倍金是救命錢你們現在害怕了來追加預算院長你也當過政治人物除了組紀長之外你們兩位都當過政治人物\n你來罷免我你來罷免我現在請我把這個錢給你罷免的錢給你用納稅人的錢給你請問一下全體老百姓這都是全體納稅人的錢納稅人有讓你們搞大罷免嗎\n那些人又要讓你們搞這樣鬥爭嗎然後現在你還可以誇誇其言說欸公投跟罷免的錢你們應該要給我們公投會給你公投是立法院通過的請問罷免罷免是現在從726到823你可以看到人民的選擇\n台灣人民太有智慧了台灣人民太有智慧結果你現在要納稅人錢幫你付這個大罷免錢你去跟民進黨黨部要好不好你不應該去跟民進黨黨部要 跟七鳥要啊對不對 那黑熊要啊第一段是我沒有罷免你我們這個我沒有罷免你 這是第一段第一段公投是公民所發動的對不起 罷免是公民所發動的\n公投是立法院所發動的在行政機關看起來都是一樣而且我認為如果以人民至上的話更不應該說立法院發動的您支持人民發動的您不支持人民發動是人民發動的嗎還是民進黨發動民進黨團天天在這邊大罷免大成功我跟你講啊罷免的錢拜託你\n去跟民進黨跟民進黨去黨部去要時間暫停一下時間暫停一下我請顧立雄部長時間暫停我請顧立雄部長麻煩請國防部長備詢\n委員請部長在這一次的追加預算裡面院長我跟你講你的沒宣費也全部把它編回來這個部分我直接講我們不會同意另外這兩天\n國防部要求各級單位不能再用志願役加緊三萬塊再來招募人員那這裡面其實已引起很多的現役軍人的反彈或者他們的焦慮昨天還有就是我們現役軍人的眷屬來拜託我說這一筆拜託因為他們還在\n養小孩能不能就能夠實現所以我想請教部長在今年非常特殊我們過去這些軍事學校常常都招不足兵員出現了問題他們的未來我們的兵員\n就今年很特別清閣軍事院校報到人數創新高全部招收額滿這當然跟在立法院通過的這個加薪的法案有關係好現在呢你們不編預算請問一下部長你認為會不會重創我們現役現在一線國軍弟兄的士氣\n跟委員報告我想提升國軍的待遇來照顧官兵及家軍的福利是我們慈恆一直在做事實上今年的四月一號六月一號七月一號行政院都已經合併陸續來提高\n志願役的家籍 戰鬥部隊的家籍我們剛剛講你們追加預算 我們會同意我們追加預算讓院長放心就是追加這個國軍待遇的部分我們會同意但是現在是立法院所通過的你們不編預算會不會衝創國軍士氣另外 比如說像三立新聞因為為了要護航嘛 他說\n軍人不是以服從為天職嗎現在阿兵哥比上班族還敢喊加薪喔部長 你同不同意這句話剛沒聽清楚 您說\n他說軍人不是以服從為天職嗎現在阿兵哥比上班族還敢喊加薪嗎請問您同不同意這個話同不同意這樣的論述我想國防部的立場就是我們後續還會有相關的規劃包括我們考量部隊的人力專長任務的性質還有危險的工作危險的程度等等我們會來持續規劃那現在我想行政院有其整體的考量\n就這一個您現在提到的應該是志願役三萬塊的這個加級的部分嘛那志願役三萬塊加級的部分依照行政院的指導它整體上有一個整體性的考量一個橫平性的考量院長 完全不會編這筆預算嗎\n好 謝謝王宏偉委員質詢也謝謝卓院長相關部會\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.363 --> 00:26.580\n好謝謝主席先請卓院長麻煩請卓院長備詢黃委員好好院長好在談預算之前先談執行預算的人\n\n00:27.540 --> 00:53.169\n您昨天有講內閣改組大概這個禮拜完成那我想請問一下內閣改組的幅度那這次會撤換的相關的閣員包含國安的部分會超過五人以上嗎包含國安喔國安不在我們現在所謂內閣的名單當中那是府方在處理的那會超過五人以上嗎\n\n00:55.535 --> 01:17.241\n有的是首長們自行因為自己的原因提出了我知道有人提此自信有人不願意提此自信如果是從部長加次長的話我認為人數超過五人超過五人有可能超過十人以上嗎這個十人以下五人以上\n\n01:19.118 --> 01:26.230\n數字不代表一切啦我們希望如果有熱誠進來團隊服務的未來是要展現出院長我為什麼問這個問題\n\n01:28.570 --> 01:47.749\n因為其實內閣改組的幅度外界是非常關切的尤其你們已經相繼提出包含今天的追加預算還有明年度的總預算因為預算是人在執行的所以為什麼要問內閣改組的幅度因為今天我們看到的預算書\n\n01:49.571 --> 02:06.893\n是由我們現在坐在這邊的閣員們所提出來的他不能說他沒有看過這些預算書是不是那但是呢我不曉得會走多少人也就是說也許你提了預算書最後不是你在執行所以那個改組的幅度是重要的但是呢\n\n02:08.066 --> 02:33.839\n最近您也可以看到除了賴總統他的民調滿意度已經跌破三成以下包含您本身以及內閣的滿意度也跌到三成以下所以我想請問院長我想請問院長除了內閣改組之外現在我們所提出來的追加預算我們如果按照你們所提出來878億也就是\n\n02:37.521 --> 02:58.175\n如果全數給你們的話那麼今年度的預算就突破了三兆突破了三兆原來就已經是歷史新高現在又變成歷史新高而且突破三兆所以我想請問院長在我們這些追加預算裡面\n\n02:59.653 --> 03:08.244\n您認為你提出了什麼樣的有感的政策讓人民會有感會提升你們的施政滿意度\n\n03:09.636 --> 03:35.528\n就是照這次在大院審查今年度中央政權總預算的時候這個通山部分的939億那讓行政院要自行刪減636億這個部分確實讓大家都有感而且是非常不好的感覺不論是中央或是我們後來沒有辦法左撿地方你刪掉地方補助款大家人民才覺得不好啊\n\n03:36.528 --> 03:52.267\n大家感覺才不好啊中央如果自行刪減636億將會造成所有的預算變成自力破碎很多的部會要被刪減到無法執行我想這也不是當初包括委員您大院所有委員所希望看到院長啊\n\n03:52.768 --> 04:08.360\n你們還在追究636億其實我要告訴你在你878億裡面待會我會跟你說哪些部分基本上我們會支持但是我現在要跟你討論的是\n\n04:09.801 --> 04:32.626\n你們現在除了那有幾項是因為新增或者因為法定就是我們立法院通過的法令通過的預算之外你們有關於各部會所提出來的預算包含外交部一共提出來了142億的追加碼對不對包含外交部啊\n\n04:33.922 --> 04:57.907\n外交部沒有提出142億我就說各部會再加上外交部外交部11億嘛對不對然後你其他各部會是132億嘛院長我不曉得你有沒有看這些預算這些所有的這個132億的預算幾乎大部分都是什麼呢他不是新的證物\n\n04:59.022 --> 05:19.396\n他不是新的政務原來的預算經刪減之後他無法支應這個政務的執行被立法院刪減之後呢你們現在來搞復活賽嘛就先來搞一個復活賽因為你不爽不爽被刪嘛然後現在要求把它編回來這沒有什麼不爽所以我才問這個追加預算\n\n05:25.140 --> 05:44.292\n這些132億哪一個符合預算法裡面的追加預算預算法它是說如果你執行證物有新的事項發生執行有重大事件重大事件發生那這個就是因為重大事件譬如說像罷免嘛公投吧\n\n05:45.336 --> 06:13.902\n这个是属于预算法追加预算符合其他都是你这130岁你刚讲了绝大部分都是你们在114年度总预算送到立法院来被我们删除之后你现在又要求重编回来请问一下他有什么第一个他有重大事故吗第二个他是新设计官吗第三个他是因为法律而增加吗都不是\n\n06:14.762 --> 06:33.228\n所以基本上他們並不符合預算法裡面應該追加預算的連主計長上來我看他都在那邊手忙腳亂所以院長啊我剛剛講你們現在說要調整你們的步伐調整你們的政策\n\n06:36.488 --> 07:00.624\n賴總統說從現在開始要民生優先經濟優先弱勢優先青年優先我沒有看過這樣自贈己罪的啦這代表什麼呢你們之前這些都沒有優先不是這樣的邏輯當然是你為什麼現在說我要調整這些要優先所以你之前這些都沒有優先你們之前都在搞政治囉你們之前都在搞鬥爭囉沒有沒有這個委員不要這樣誤會總統的意思\n\n07:02.205 --> 07:05.506\n所以在你們這878億裡面我剛才講譬如說你對於地方補助款的636億基本上我們會支持因為現在地方政府嗷嗷待哺有些地方政府都在舉債很可憐\n\n07:28.448 --> 07:57.498\n所以我們不得不支持你進法補償條例是因為立法院通過的預算所以我們也可以支持還有包含國軍的加薪我們也可以支持但是其他有關的一些項目你讓我們怎麼支持呢我剛講公投的預算也要支持我待會就要講這個事你們很扯\n\n07:58.700 --> 08:17.237\n你要讲公投公投和罢免我先讲这132亿里面绝大部分都是回补回编过来我还没讲完回编过来我刚讲想搞复活赛吗比如说内政部他的回编率高达九成以上\n\n08:18.098 --> 08:36.733\n海委會高達八成以上那我想請問我就很仔細看這預算書囉有什麼我們輸漏的當時給你刪掉的譬如你們那時候在這個預算啊藍白亂山預算一大堆的謠言我就請問了內政部說我們把房屋租金刪掉了有回編回來嗎有嗎來\n\n08:40.396 --> 08:55.358\n劳动部说我们把育儿留职津贴删掉了有吗劳动部里面的预算书里面有吗张尊涵马上叫当你的秘书长说我们把中小企业的预算都删掉了请问一下预算书里面有吗有删吗\n\n08:56.255 --> 09:21.391\n當初也許是因為有些是凍結那我們在論書的時候把凍結跟刪除院長要不要道歉如果是因為院長要不要道歉如果我們論刪請問為什麼這件預算書裡面沒有編回來為什麼沒有你要不要道歉報告委員如果是因為凍結而誤戳為刪除那這一點我表示道歉但是凍結之後有回復的部分我也表示感謝\n\n09:22.961 --> 09:36.974\n所以當時有多少造謠尤其在這邊包含內政部長勞動部長財政部長你們造謠多少如果當時有一扇玉山你們應該別回來確實有很多是三尺的我們該刪應當刪就刪你剛剛講公投和罷免\n\n09:48.339 --> 09:52.208\n崩頭和罷免請問一下我們曾經問過你們的二背經\n\n09:55.672 --> 10:23.905\n來我們先放二倍金二倍金在8月15號二倍金裡面就已經有因應公投以及罷免的相關預算的請款請問一下為什麼又要編在追加預算是怎麼樣你們要再搞一次大罷免嗎二倍金有二倍金更需要的用途那如果這間預算能夠同意的話那這個會歸電給二倍金那二倍金他會比較完整以應不時之需謝謝委員\n\n10:24.645 --> 10:42.392\n因為當時我們就說嘛你們搞一個罷免用的就是二倍金是救命錢你們現在害怕了來追加預算院長你也當過政治人物除了組紀長之外你們兩位都當過政治人物\n\n10:43.459 --> 11:00.264\n你來罷免我你來罷免我現在請我把這個錢給你罷免的錢給你用納稅人的錢給你請問一下全體老百姓這都是全體納稅人的錢納稅人有讓你們搞大罷免嗎\n\n11:01.530 --> 11:20.738\n那些人又要讓你們搞這樣鬥爭嗎然後現在你還可以誇誇其言說欸公投跟罷免的錢你們應該要給我們公投會給你公投是立法院通過的請問罷免罷免是現在從726到823你可以看到人民的選擇\n\n11:23.659 --> 11:49.633\n台灣人民太有智慧了台灣人民太有智慧結果你現在要納稅人錢幫你付這個大罷免錢你去跟民進黨黨部要好不好你不應該去跟民進黨黨部要跟七鳥要啊對不對那黑熊要啊第一段是我沒有罷免你我們這個我沒有罷免你這是第一段第一段公投是公民所發動的對不起罷免是公民所發動的\n\n11:51.394 --> 12:09.283\n公投是立法院所發動的在行政機關看起來都是一樣而且我認為如果以人民至上的話更不應該說立法院發動的您支持人民發動的您不支持人民發動是人民發動的嗎還是民進黨發動民進黨團天天在這邊大罷免大成功我跟你講啊罷免的錢拜託你\n\n12:18.587 --> 12:26.630\n去跟民進黨跟民進黨去黨部去要時間暫停一下時間暫停一下我請顧立雄部長時間暫停我請顧立雄部長麻煩請國防部長備詢\n\n12:51.075 --> 13:05.490\n委員請部長在這一次的追加預算裡面院長我跟你講你的沒宣費也全部把它編回來這個部分我直接講我們不會同意另外這兩天\n\n13:08.152 --> 13:29.686\n國防部要求各級單位不能再用志願役加緊三萬塊再來招募人員那這裡面其實已引起很多的現役軍人的反彈或者他們的焦慮昨天還有就是我們現役軍人的眷屬來拜託我說這一筆拜託因為他們還在\n\n13:32.828 --> 13:48.776\n養小孩能不能就能夠實現所以我想請教部長在今年非常特殊我們過去這些軍事學校常常都招不足兵員出現了問題他們的未來我們的兵員\n\n13:49.716 --> 14:11.764\n就今年很特別清閣軍事院校報到人數創新高全部招收額滿這當然跟在立法院通過的這個加薪的法案有關係好現在呢你們不編預算請問一下部長你認為會不會重創我們現役現在一線國軍弟兄的士氣\n\n14:13.333 --> 14:27.069\n跟委員報告我想提升國軍的待遇來照顧官兵及家軍的福利是我們慈恆一直在做事實上今年的四月一號六月一號七月一號行政院都已經合併陸續來提高\n\n14:29.472 --> 14:52.845\n志願役的家籍戰鬥部隊的家籍我們剛剛講你們追加預算我們會同意我們追加預算讓院長放心就是追加這個國軍待遇的部分我們會同意但是現在是立法院所通過的你們不編預算會不會衝創國軍士氣另外比如說像三立新聞因為為了要護航嘛他說\n\n14:54.159 --> 14:58.962\n軍人不是以服從為天職嗎現在阿兵哥比上班族還敢喊加薪喔部長你同不同意這句話剛沒聽清楚您說\n\n15:05.165 --> 15:33.391\n他說軍人不是以服從為天職嗎現在阿兵哥比上班族還敢喊加薪嗎請問您同不同意這個話同不同意這樣的論述我想國防部的立場就是我們後續還會有相關的規劃包括我們考量部隊的人力專長任務的性質還有危險的工作危險的程度等等我們會來持續規劃那現在我想行政院有其整體的考量\n\n15:34.031 --> 15:46.801\n就這一個您現在提到的應該是志願役三萬塊的這個加級的部分嘛那志願役三萬塊加級的部分依照行政院的指導它整體上有一個整體性的考量一個橫平性的考量院長完全不會編這筆預算嗎\n\n16:16.774 --> 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罷免是公民所發動的"},{"start":711.394,"end":729.283,"text":"公投是立法院所發動的在行政機關看起來都是一樣而且我認為如果以人民至上的話更不應該說立法院發動的您支持人民發動的您不支持人民發動是人民發動的嗎還是民進黨發動民進黨團天天在這邊大罷免大成功我跟你講啊罷免的錢拜託你"},{"start":738.587,"end":746.63,"text":"去跟民進黨跟民進黨去黨部去要時間暫停一下時間暫停一下我請顧立雄部長時間暫停我請顧立雄部長麻煩請國防部長備詢"},{"start":771.075,"end":785.49,"text":"委員請部長在這一次的追加預算裡面院長我跟你講你的沒宣費也全部把它編回來這個部分我直接講我們不會同意另外這兩天"},{"start":788.152,"end":809.686,"text":"國防部要求各級單位不能再用志願役加緊三萬塊再來招募人員那這裡面其實已引起很多的現役軍人的反彈或者他們的焦慮昨天還有就是我們現役軍人的眷屬來拜託我說這一筆拜託因為他們還在"},{"start":812.828,"end":828.776,"text":"養小孩能不能就能夠實現所以我想請教部長在今年非常特殊我們過去這些軍事學校常常都招不足兵員出現了問題他們的未來我們的兵員"},{"start":829.716,"end":851.764,"text":"就今年很特別清閣軍事院校報到人數創新高全部招收額滿這當然跟在立法院通過的這個加薪的法案有關係好現在呢你們不編預算請問一下部長你認為會不會重創我們現役現在一線國軍弟兄的士氣"},{"start":853.333,"end":867.069,"text":"跟委員報告我想提升國軍的待遇來照顧官兵及家軍的福利是我們慈恆一直在做事實上今年的四月一號六月一號七月一號行政院都已經合併陸續來提高"},{"start":869.472,"end":892.845,"text":"志願役的家籍 戰鬥部隊的家籍我們剛剛講你們追加預算 我們會同意我們追加預算讓院長放心就是追加這個國軍待遇的部分我們會同意但是現在是立法院所通過的你們不編預算會不會衝創國軍士氣另外 比如說像三立新聞因為為了要護航嘛 他說"},{"start":894.159,"end":898.962,"text":"軍人不是以服從為天職嗎現在阿兵哥比上班族還敢喊加薪喔部長 你同不同意這句話剛沒聽清楚 您說"},{"start":905.165,"end":933.391,"text":"他說軍人不是以服從為天職嗎現在阿兵哥比上班族還敢喊加薪嗎請問您同不同意這個話同不同意這樣的論述我想國防部的立場就是我們後續還會有相關的規劃包括我們考量部隊的人力專長任務的性質還有危險的工作危險的程度等等我們會來持續規劃那現在我想行政院有其整體的考量"},{"start":934.031,"end":946.801,"text":"就這一個您現在提到的應該是志願役三萬塊的這個加級的部分嘛那志願役三萬塊加級的部分依照行政院的指導它整體上有一個整體性的考量一個橫平性的考量院長 完全不會編這筆預算嗎"},{"start":976.774,"end":978.955,"text":"好 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的部分，依照行政院的指導，行政院有一個整體性的考量、一個衡平性的考量。"],["王委員鴻薇：院長，完全不會編這筆預算嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：我再重複一次，這個預算我們認為程序上有瑕疵，對憲政、憲法的解釋跟法律的解釋，所以我們送請大法官解釋，也聲請暫時處分，大法官解釋出來之後，它如果違憲，我們共同遵守，它如果沒有違憲，我們當時就找出財源，我們來編列，而且可以回溯。"],["王委員鴻薇：院長，你現在沒有編就是違憲。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們有暫時處分。"],["王委員鴻薇：我直接說，你現在沒有編就是違憲。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們有暫時處分，謝謝委員，也請委員支持這次的追加預算。"],["主席：好，謝謝王鴻薇委員質詢，也謝謝卓院長、相關部會首長備詢。","接下來我們請張啓楷委員質詢，吳思瑤委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":215,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-26","speakers":["韓國瑜","王鴻薇","張啓楷","吳思瑤","洪孟楷","鍾佳濱","許宇甄","陳亭妃","賴士葆","賴惠員","翁曉玲","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe"],"page_start":159,"meetingDate":["2025-08-26"],"gazette_id":"1147401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147401_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第26次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「114年度中央政府總預算追加預算\n案」編製經過並備質詢─詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147401_00004"}}}