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00:01:58,305\n因為企業都撩多少錢二十萬張經濟暴風橋還要沒哪裡啊所以說這個應該環境部要擔起來我是不是請院長指示一下環境部災區裡頭的中小企業石棉瓦也請環境部用這個7億加7.8億總共14.8億來支付啦這是第一點就是擴大辦理因為這是政府的政策環境部現在就要推石棉瓦的清運計畫嘛另外也拜託劉部長\n\n6\n00:01:59,606 --> 00:02:26,654\n劉部長這次編了21億在做一些拆除房屋老舊拆除的部分但是針對弱勢戶是不是拆除的過程連同石棉瓦是有補助沒有錯但是是不可以擴大到一般戶一般戶的石棉瓦拆除也需要專業因為一般人在拆除這石棉瓦不可能全戶武裝一下子防塵衣就N95口罩又防護鏡然後雙層手掃不可以這麼費工啦我們都要拆我家有可能不夠多一定要拜託專業來拆嘛\n\n7\n00:02:28,434 --> 00:02:53,381\n這兩點是不是能夠擴大來辦理預算都有了一個20億一個是加了7億那是不是請院長裁刺一下或者兩位部長回答一下謝謝好報告委員其實我們現在原來的費用是7.9億還有額外7點多億大概14億左右那是針對農蓄社還有一般的民宅那我們是負責清運那內政部還有經濟部還有農業部都有負責拆除拆除是他們的分類\n\n8\n00:02:53,902 --> 00:03:06,359\n對你都可以跨出到農畜社了對不對農畜社是屬於農業部的你會跨出到那邊你不能跨到這一個經濟部所屬中小企業嗎中小企業的經濟不變得太差啦我跟你們講應該是要來靠這中小企業啦\n\n9\n00:03:10,325 --> 00:03:39,367\n你輸客一個啦OK好委員另外一個是說因為清運是一筆很大的費用因為一噸大概花四萬多塊所以基本上我們那個部分其實有擴大額外再吸收中小企業我有算過你們總共加成原來是71.78億至少有四萬噸的一個量能可以補助所以說你還可以接受新的對象我幫你算過錢這個部分那個內政部可不可以從弱勢戶擴大到一般戶部長我們在這次特別預算裡面大概現在預框是四億左右\n\n10\n00:03:40,208 --> 00:03:57,207\n那如果說我們那個補助計畫裡面把現在你講的弱勢戶先核算一下如果有可能的話如果委員在我們這個預算在審查的過程當中有提這個案我們會遵照立法院所通過的議題來辦理那我再來進行提案謝謝部長的支持那後續我想要請農業部一下\n\n11\n00:03:59,863 --> 00:04:19,674\n兩位請回謝謝院長農業部的部分這次石棉瓦的問題也很多石棉瓦問題多在哪裡多在總共有四百場那裡頭有一百場當中是進行樹理還有三百場那這三百場當中有備時還是傳統的續勤社就是不是暗場登記的這補充內行的都知道問題是這個部分趁這個機會你這邊農業部有兩個一個叫重建一個叫輔導\n\n12\n00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:43,519\n那輔導的部份是什麼意思呢就是能夠讓他升級嘛或者讓他轉型嘛我想說在補電的部分就蓄木業的這個部份當他要另外轉型的時候能不能讓他多一點力氣部長\n\n13\n00:04:44,961 --> 00:05:12,930\n我跟委員報告就是我們這邊的天災的部分大概分為三項一項是就是天然災救助辦法補助下去救助下去不夠用補助的方式補助已經拉到八成了所以這個部分是可以讓他做四度的升級那如果他要改成更高級的這些續勤社的時候我們另外會有專案的方式用個案的方式去處理對啦因為這一種多半你的白色是你那個是高級的\n\n14\n00:05:13,550 --> 00:05:31,504\n而且傳統的都是傳統的古的那個是假的啦是假的啦那他如果賺錢的時候要改做水聯市的你應該讓他倒開一個啦這樣等於是把它升級嘛這是一種另外一種它是已經不行了破損它不行它要離幕你是不是要考慮一下把過去那個離幕專案\n\n15\n00:05:33,685 --> 00:05:52,093\n斷出來讓他離開這個部分才是一種比較好的方式我本身建議你還有一個今年天災不斷我也會刊好幾次結果我們天災一年只能補助一次部長我也跟院長報告多少%你知道嗎20%而已我說拜託院長跟部長\n\n16\n00:05:53,830 --> 00:06:10,112\n做到要死一年頭停頓補助補助去10%那怎麼搞啦院長跟部長是不是嘗試一下長期以來天然救助辦法裡頭只有20%的數字真的是民眾級被拿到也是苦不堪言啦\n\n17\n00:06:11,694 --> 00:06:39,986\n我跟那個委員報告我非常認同你的一個想法就是說我們現在的天然災害救助辦法的救助金的設計是用成本的20%去省不過我們這次去看了有時候很多它損失是全圓全毀但是我們救助只有成本的20%那這次因為大規模我們還有一些所謂的專案補助但是平常是沒有的所以我們也一直在思考我們是不是應該\n\n18\n00:06:41,286 --> 00:07:07,523\n因為農民對於天災不是他願意面對的那這個時候我們是不是可以適度的去提高他的救助的計算的標準這個也會回應到很多委員一直要求我們提高救助金要打破20%的限制啦對提高救助金還是在20%的限制會變成只有隨著物價走所以我們這一次會全盤的重新來考量他的他的這個救助標準的20%是不是可以往上拉部長應該拉高\n\n19\n00:07:08,063 --> 00:07:10,845\n所以說這一次災損的過程當中除了這一個重建20%往上拉打破之外\n\n20\n00:07:26,176 --> 00:07:51,769\n趁這個機會輔導轉型包括我們之前提到的有關於溫室網的部分都要請部長多費心一下這些真的是很多另外復興的部分就是以後整個台南連續這一年之內跟院長報告我們總共四個災情那個災區已經深到人心了所以將來如何觀光復興農村旅遊的部分也請部長指示一下交通部跟農業部一起來帶動一下好不好院長\n\n21\n00:07:54,453 --> 00:08:19,724\n謝謝後面的部分我還有一件事情就是有關於經濟部接下來治水的工程要來就教院長跟經濟部經濟部這次編例的地方預算的搶修還有防汛的設備16億當中本席在所屬的這次最嚴重的南北門區北門區七股細湖還有沙洲富裕還有大寮排水的部分\n\n22\n00:08:20,824 --> 00:08:48,040\n這個已經在協調台南市政府向中央提報已經有高達18億之多了18億之多呢院長我跟經濟部要求說經濟部說等到納入這個4年1000億的預算下一次的狀況1000億還沒通過啊我是跟院長拜託一下這18億當中呢裡頭有屬於這個短中長期的部分就是自然工法跟水工模型測試大概要5億元這個部分全部先花這5億元\n\n23\n00:08:49,241 --> 00:09:16,963\n你總共有66億嘛你撥5億先來做一個比較中長期的部分另外13億的部分再納入1000億的治水預算院長你不能責成經濟部支持一下台南治水能夠速度快一點就是針對搶秋搶險目前看到的必須趕快把它停止下來所在擴大的未來比較中期的規劃就會納到未來的4年1000億裡面來看所以我經濟部請水利署在把委員剛剛所建議的\n\n24\n00:09:17,643 --> 00:09:32,566\n那個地方的一個狀況是不是優先可以來納入優先納入啦好我們來檢討謝謝院長那我跟院長說明一下為什麼一年四次淹三次原因在哪裡原因在本席的選區當中剛好曾文希啊\n\n25\n00:09:33,781 --> 00:09:43,311\n鄭文希流域當中他只要雨大的時候就要洩洪你知道洩洪最大的放流量每秒是2150噸這2150噸是八八風災當初的紀錄\n\n26\n00:09:49,737 --> 00:10:03,589\n另外的部分每天累積的降雨量也是高達400毫米速度都非常的快以至於這種情況一邊在洩洪一邊在下雨所以很容易淹水所以這應該是淹水當中\n\n27\n00:10:05,931 --> 00:10:31,276\n地區當中的重中之重也是應該治水當中最首要的目標所以我要拜託院長跟經濟部要多花一點心思在台南的治水的這部分除了南北門區特別是南科區它又是科技重鎮它雖然南科區裡頭有滋洪池可是周遭的地區都是從業人員沒有辦法上班沒有辦法上班它就影響到生產\n\n28\n00:10:32,632 --> 00:10:51,735\n這是環環相扣的事情所以南科區的治水非常關鍵還有就是曾文區本身就是最大受害的就是馬道那個地方幾乎每次下雨就淹所以真的要請這個經濟部這個水利署所屬的這個單位把台南的治水\n\n29\n00:10:52,556 --> 00:11:08,564\n這個曾文熙言語列為重中之重那個次長跟委員報告那曾文熙的這個排水系統的一個治理計畫在去年12月26號已經核定了那現在水利署跟台南市政府正在辦理這個曾文熙排水治理工程的一個用地取得\n\n30\n00:11:09,284 --> 00:11:29,249\n還有先期作業的這個相關的一些工作那等到我們的這個明年度這個計劃核定之後我們就可以工程可以試我希望能夠趕快看到成果啦那後續的部分我還要就教於這個院長的部分院長你已經有對外宣示說我們的這個台電的這個主要電纜要地下化\n\n31\n00:11:29,909 --> 00:11:54,180\n我覺得這是很好的這是眾多人的期待但是我跟院長報告說明一下我們內政部在2000年的時候就有通過所謂的共同管線管道法第12條當中就規定市區道路修築的時候應該是把電線纜的部分包括電力電信有線電視路燈交通號誌等等這個都是這次受損\n\n32\n00:11:55,547 --> 00:12:20,495\n嚴重的地方啦我想說你乾脆你都要花台電都地下化了那地下化都有地下管溝嘛地下管溝一次成本做的時候八大管線通路你都一併可以執行嘛就要求他們一併做下去嘛像這一次的這一個那個NCC的部分花了2.95元2.65元是給業者重建那我問一下業者有沒有做什麼東西\n\n33\n00:12:21,824 --> 00:12:35,539\n你給他錢業者如果沒有相對做的話也沒有辦法清理天總統下去的時候說以後的這一切整個電纜通訊的韌性強化三大業者都要要求每一次電話都能夠通如果是這樣子的話\n\n34\n00:12:37,601 --> 00:12:58,184\n院長你要指示一下NCC還有相關單位把這些管線單位把它弄成一個共同管線這才是真正的國家基礎建設把它砍敗在一起共同來思考一來它可以強化任性之外二來還可以讓入坪專案不會常常被破壞\n\n35\n00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:17,091\n水挖完換油油挖完換電電化完換電信每天都挖來挖去挖比賽的所以我是想說院長趁這個機會你既然有這個決心已經要從事這個地下化工程能不能把電纜電信還有交通耗資等等一併思考院長\n\n36\n00:13:18,432 --> 00:13:45,397\n有些城市都市已經往這個方向已經做進制了這個經驗跟委員的建議是一樣的我們在規劃的時候就應該加強所謂橫向的一個評估把它融合在一起這個我也請經濟部跟其他的相關部會在規劃的時候要一起來做這個重要的規劃工作這些跨部會的部分要請院長慎重指示一下趁這個機會強化我們真正屬於基礎前瞻的建設那另外一個部分\n\n37\n00:13:46,317 --> 00:14:12,338\n院長剛剛林俊賢大家提我自己感同身透這一次呢第一線的公所人員真的是負擔沉重非常的大我們這次所謂的這個從優從寬我們真的做到了歷史以來我們條件真的最好這點一定要來坤町但是為什麼沒有辦法重塑跟重檢呢一個就是說你把舉證的責任都交給這些災民萬一有火箭輸不爽的地震的或是傷害一大堆\n\n38\n00:14:15,919 --> 00:14:37,562\n那這些舉證的責任導致說我們這個電子化政府推了幾十年了包括所得資料、工商登記、稅籍資料、地址、戶籍這炸到有了啦我意思是說應該我們有一個查證的系統根本不用叫民眾拿那麼多資料來也不用讓基層的公務人員那麼累\n\n39\n00:14:38,183 --> 00:14:53,285\n本身透過電腦連線的時候來查證的時候你某某人你叫過公文我來查查的你這裡的資料都有啊你當時有放養登記你當時有做一些工商登記我都有啊我就不用全部提來了這樣就是一了百了啦\n\n40\n00:14:53,826 --> 00:15:10,603\n一來基層的不用那麼累二來民眾也不用等待那麼久這是第一個本席提醒你的地方第二個本席要肯定你的地方這一次把這個災防指揮所設下來因為依照我們的災防法只是協調所而已你把它拉高\n\n41\n00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:24,950\n結條的部分把重鎮都放在地方政府這一次中央直接下去指揮這是好的做法我希望將來災防法要入法把它成為以後行政的慣性遇到地方政府無法執行的時候中央就必須要介入好謝謝郭國文委員的質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1783\t28453\t謝謝主席有請卓院長還有環境部彭部長以及內政部的劉部長麻煩再請卓院長環境部內政部備詢郭委員好院長好兩位部長好我想這個上面看到的這個地圖是屬於環境部跟民間團體所做的這個實棉地圖實棉網地圖\n30413\t45246\t其中台南是全國最多 總共5萬4千多戶總量數大概10萬但是台南的整個行政區是37個區受災戶高達17個區依照環境部的估計恐怕台南10萬噸當中\n46687\t74029\t只有1萬噸受損其實就17個行政區來說我覺得環境部可能要重新再估計一下是不是只有占十分之一因為行政區37個區怎麼17個區當中只有快一半只有1萬這是第一個另外一個部分我必須肯定一下環境部跟台南市政府清除的速度非常的快已經接近一半但是這裡頭我想說要跟環境部建議一下\n74830\t89144\t就是說我們是清拆運一條龍的這種方式以照目前為止剛剛彭部長在回答林俊憲委員的時候說二十萬在補助中小企業中小企業補助二十萬 請假就補救還有談判官給你來貼這九名幫這補救二十萬不是保生保害啦\n94890\t118305\t因為企業都撩多少錢 二十萬張 經濟暴風橋還要沒哪裡啊所以說這個應該環境部要擔起來我是不是請院長指示一下環境部 災區裡頭的中小企業 石棉瓦也請環境部用這個7億加7.8億 總共14.8億來支付啦這是第一點 就是擴大辦理因為這是政府的政策 環境部現在就要推石棉瓦的清運計畫嘛另外也拜託劉部長\n119606\t146654\t劉部長這次編了21億在做一些拆除房屋老舊拆除的部分但是針對弱勢戶是不是拆除的過程連同石棉瓦是有補助沒有錯但是是不可以擴大到一般戶一般戶的石棉瓦拆除也需要專業因為一般人在拆除這石棉瓦不可能全戶武裝一下子防塵衣就N95口罩又防護鏡然後雙層手掃不可以這麼費工啦我們都要拆我家有可能不夠多一定要拜託專業來拆嘛\n148434\t173381\t這兩點是不是能夠擴大來辦理預算都有了一個20億一個是加了7億那是不是請院長裁刺一下或者兩位部長回答一下 謝謝好 報告委員其實我們現在原來的費用是7.9億還有額外7點多億大概14億左右那是針對農蓄社還有一般的民宅那我們是負責清運那內政部還有經濟部還有農業部都有負責拆除拆除是他們的分類\n173902\t186359\t對 你都可以跨出到農畜社了對不對農畜社是屬於農業部的你會跨出到那邊你不能跨到這一個經濟部所屬中小企業嗎中小企業的經濟不變得太差啦我跟你們講應該是要來靠這中小企業啦\n190325\t219367\t你輸客一個啦OK 好 委員另外一個是說因為清運是一筆很大的費用因為一噸大概花四萬多塊所以基本上我們那個部分其實有擴大額外再吸收中小企業我有算過你們總共加成原來是71.78億至少有四萬噸的一個量能可以補助所以說你還可以接受新的對象我幫你算過錢這個部分那個內政部可不可以從弱勢戶擴大到一般戶 部長我們在這次特別預算裡面大概現在預框是四億左右\n220208\t237207\t那如果說我們那個補助計畫裡面把現在你講的弱勢戶先核算一下如果有可能的話如果委員在我們這個預算在審查的過程當中有提這個案我們會遵照立法院所通過的議題來辦理那我再來進行提案謝謝部長的支持那後續我想要請農業部一下\n239863\t259674\t兩位請回 謝謝院長 農業部的部分這次石棉瓦的問題也很多石棉瓦問題多在哪裡多在總共有四百場那裡頭有一百場當中是進行樹理還有三百場那這三百場當中有備時還是傳統的續勤社就是不是暗場登記的這補充內行的都知道問題是這個部分 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應該拉高\n428063\t430845\t所以說這一次災損的過程當中除了這一個重建20%往上拉打破之外\n446176\t471769\t趁這個機會輔導轉型包括我們之前提到的有關於溫室網的部分都要請部長多費心一下這些真的是很多另外復興的部分就是以後整個台南連續這一年之內跟院長報告我們總共四個災情那個災區已經深到人心了所以將來如何觀光復興農村旅遊的部分也請部長指示一下交通部跟農業部一起來帶動一下好不好 院長\n474453\t499724\t謝謝後面的部分我還有一件事情就是有關於經濟部接下來治水的工程要來就教院長跟經濟部經濟部這次編例的地方預算的搶修還有防汛的設備16億當中本席在所屬的這次最嚴重的南北門區北門區七股細湖還有沙洲富裕還有大寮排水的部分\n500824\t528040\t這個已經在協調台南市政府向中央提報已經有高達18億之多了18億之多呢院長我跟經濟部要求說經濟部說等到納入這個4年1000億的預算下一次的狀況1000億還沒通過啊我是跟院長拜託一下這18億當中呢裡頭有屬於這個短中長期的部分就是自然工法跟水工模型測試大概要5億元這個部分全部先花這5億元\n529241\t556963\t你總共有66億嘛你撥5億先來做一個比較中長期的部分另外13億的部分再納入1000億的治水預算院長你不能責成經濟部支持一下台南治水能夠速度快一點就是針對搶秋搶險目前看到的必須趕快把它停止下來所在擴大的未來比較中期的規劃就會納到未來的4年1000億裡面來看所以我經濟部請水利署在把委員剛剛所建議的\n557643\t572566\t那個地方的一個狀況是不是優先可以來納入優先納入啦好 我們來檢討謝謝院長那我跟院長說明一下為什麼一年四次淹三次原因在哪裡 原因在本席的選區當中剛好曾文希啊\n573781\t583311\t鄭文希流域當中他只要雨大的時候就要洩洪你知道洩洪最大的放流量每秒是2150噸這2150噸是八八風災當初的紀錄\n589737\t603589\t另外的部分每天累積的降雨量也是高達400毫米速度都非常的快以至於這種情況一邊在洩洪一邊在下雨所以很容易淹水所以這應該是淹水當中\n605931\t631276\t地區當中的重中之重也是應該治水當中最首要的目標所以我要拜託院長跟經濟部要多花一點心思在台南的治水的這部分除了南北門區特別是南科區它又是科技重鎮它雖然南科區裡頭有滋洪池可是周遭的地區都是從業人員沒有辦法上班沒有辦法上班它就影響到生產\n632632\t651735\t這是環環相扣的事情所以南科區的治水非常關鍵還有就是曾文區本身就是最大受害的就是馬道那個地方幾乎每次下雨就淹所以真的要請這個經濟部這個水利署所屬的這個單位把台南的治水\n652556\t668564\t這個曾文熙言語列為重中之重那個次長跟委員報告那曾文熙的這個排水系統的一個治理計畫在去年12月26號已經核定了那現在水利署跟台南市政府正在辦理這個曾文熙排水治理工程的一個用地取得\n669284\t689249\t還有先期作業的這個相關的一些工作那等到我們的這個明年度這個計劃核定之後我們就可以工程可以試我希望能夠趕快看到成果啦那後續的部分我還要就教於這個院長的部分院長你已經有對外宣示說我們的這個台電的這個主要電纜要地下化\n689909\t714180\t我覺得這是很好的這是眾多人的期待但是我跟院長報告說明一下我們內政部在2000年的時候就有通過所謂的共同管線管道法第12條當中就規定市區道路修築的時候應該是把電線纜的部分包括電力電信有線電視路燈交通號誌等等這個都是這次受損\n715547\t740495\t嚴重的地方啦我想說你乾脆你都要花台電都地下化了那地下化都有地下管溝嘛地下管溝一次成本做的時候八大管線通路你都一併可以執行嘛就要求他們一併做下去嘛像這一次的這一個那個NCC的部分花了2.95元2.65元是給業者重建那我問一下業者有沒有做什麼東西\n741824\t755539\t你給他錢業者如果沒有相對做的話也沒有辦法清理天總統下去的時候說以後的這一切整個電纜通訊的韌性強化三大業者都要要求每一次電話都能夠通如果是這樣子的話\n757601\t778184\t院長你要指示一下NCC還有相關單位把這些管線單位把它弄成一個共同管線這才是真正的國家基礎建設把它砍敗在一起共同來思考一來它可以強化任性之外二來還可以讓入坪專案不會常常被破壞\n780200\t797091\t水挖完換油 油挖完換電電化完換電信每天都挖來挖去 挖比賽的所以我是想說院長 趁這個機會你既然有這個決心已經要從事這個地下化工程能不能把電纜 電信還有交通耗資等等一併思考 院長\n798432\t825397\t有些城市都市已經往這個方向已經做進制了這個經驗跟委員的建議是一樣的我們在規劃的時候就應該加強所謂橫向的一個評估把它融合在一起這個我也請經濟部跟其他的相關部會在規劃的時候要一起來做這個重要的規劃工作這些跨部會的部分要請院長慎重指示一下趁這個機會強化我們真正屬於基礎前瞻的建設那另外一個部分\n826317\t852338\t院長剛剛林俊賢大家提我自己感同身透這一次呢第一線的公所人員真的是負擔沉重非常的大我們這次所謂的這個從優從寬我們真的做到了歷史以來我們條件真的最好這點一定要來坤町但是為什麼沒有辦法重塑跟重檢呢一個就是說你把舉證的責任都交給這些災民萬一有火箭輸不爽的 地震的或是傷害一大堆\n855919\t877562\t那這些舉證的責任導致說我們這個電子化政府推了幾十年了包括所得資料、工商登記、稅籍資料、地址、戶籍這炸到有了啦我意思是說應該我們有一個查證的系統根本不用叫民眾拿那麼多資料來也不用讓基層的公務人員那麼累\n878183\t893285\t本身透過電腦連線的時候來查證的時候你某某人你叫過公文我來查查的你這裡的資料都有啊你當時有放養登記你當時有做一些工商登記我都有啊我就不用全部提來了這樣就是一了百了啦\n893826\t910603\t一來基層的不用那麼累二來民眾也不用等待那麼久這是第一個本席提醒你的地方第二個本席要肯定你的地方這一次把這個災防指揮所設下來因為依照我們的災防法只是協調所而已你把它拉高\n912100\t924950\t結條的部分把重鎮都放在地方政府這一次中央直接下去指揮這是好的做法我希望將來災防法要入法把它成為以後行政的慣性遇到地方政府無法執行的時候中央就必須要介入好 謝謝郭國文委員的質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請卓院長還有環境部彭部長以及內政部的劉部長麻煩再請卓院長環境部內政部備詢郭委員好院長好兩位部長好我想這個上面看到的這個地圖是屬於環境部跟民間團體所做的這個實棉地圖實棉網地圖\n其中台南是全國最多 總共5萬4千多戶總量數大概10萬但是台南的整個行政區是37個區受災戶高達17個區依照環境部的估計恐怕台南10萬噸當中\n只有1萬噸受損其實就17個行政區來說我覺得環境部可能要重新再估計一下是不是只有占十分之一因為行政區37個區怎麼17個區當中只有快一半只有1萬這是第一個另外一個部分我必須肯定一下環境部跟台南市政府清除的速度非常的快已經接近一半但是這裡頭我想說要跟環境部建議一下\n就是說我們是清拆運一條龍的這種方式以照目前為止剛剛彭部長在回答林俊憲委員的時候說二十萬在補助中小企業中小企業補助二十萬 請假就補救還有談判官給你來貼這九名幫這補救二十萬不是保生保害啦\n因為企業都撩多少錢 二十萬張 經濟暴風橋還要沒哪裡啊所以說這個應該環境部要擔起來我是不是請院長指示一下環境部 災區裡頭的中小企業 石棉瓦也請環境部用這個7億加7.8億 總共14.8億來支付啦這是第一點 就是擴大辦理因為這是政府的政策 環境部現在就要推石棉瓦的清運計畫嘛另外也拜託劉部長\n劉部長這次編了21億在做一些拆除房屋老舊拆除的部分但是針對弱勢戶是不是拆除的過程連同石棉瓦是有補助沒有錯但是是不可以擴大到一般戶一般戶的石棉瓦拆除也需要專業因為一般人在拆除這石棉瓦不可能全戶武裝一下子防塵衣就N95口罩又防護鏡然後雙層手掃不可以這麼費工啦我們都要拆我家有可能不夠多一定要拜託專業來拆嘛\n這兩點是不是能夠擴大來辦理預算都有了一個20億一個是加了7億那是不是請院長裁刺一下或者兩位部長回答一下 謝謝好 報告委員其實我們現在原來的費用是7.9億還有額外7點多億大概14億左右那是針對農蓄社還有一般的民宅那我們是負責清運那內政部還有經濟部還有農業部都有負責拆除拆除是他們的分類\n對 你都可以跨出到農畜社了對不對農畜社是屬於農業部的你會跨出到那邊你不能跨到這一個經濟部所屬中小企業嗎中小企業的經濟不變得太差啦我跟你們講應該是要來靠這中小企業啦\n你輸客一個啦OK 好 委員另外一個是說因為清運是一筆很大的費用因為一噸大概花四萬多塊所以基本上我們那個部分其實有擴大額外再吸收中小企業我有算過你們總共加成原來是71.78億至少有四萬噸的一個量能可以補助所以說你還可以接受新的對象我幫你算過錢這個部分那個內政部可不可以從弱勢戶擴大到一般戶 部長我們在這次特別預算裡面大概現在預框是四億左右\n那如果說我們那個補助計畫裡面把現在你講的弱勢戶先核算一下如果有可能的話如果委員在我們這個預算在審查的過程當中有提這個案我們會遵照立法院所通過的議題來辦理那我再來進行提案謝謝部長的支持那後續我想要請農業部一下\n兩位請回 謝謝院長 農業部的部分這次石棉瓦的問題也很多石棉瓦問題多在哪裡多在總共有四百場那裡頭有一百場當中是進行樹理還有三百場那這三百場當中有備時還是傳統的續勤社就是不是暗場登記的這補充內行的都知道問題是這個部分 趁這個機會你這邊農業部有兩個一個叫重建 一個叫輔導\n那輔導的部份是什麼意思呢就是能夠讓他升級嘛或者讓他轉型嘛我想說在補電的部分就蓄木業的這個部份當他要另外轉型的時候能不能讓他多一點力氣部長\n我跟委員報告就是我們這邊的天災的部分大概分為三項一項是就是天然災救助辦法補助下去救助下去不夠用補助的方式補助已經拉到八成了所以這個部分是可以讓他做四度的升級那如果他要改成更高級的這些續勤社的時候我們另外會有專案的方式用個案的方式去處理對啦 因為這一種多半你的白色是你那個是高級的\n而且傳統的都是傳統的 古的那個是假的啦 是假的啦那他如果賺錢的時候 要改做水聯市的你應該讓他倒開一個啦 這樣等於是把它升級嘛這是一種 另外一種它是已經不行了 破損它不行 它要離幕你是不是要考慮一下 把過去那個離幕專案\n斷出來讓他離開這個部分才是一種比較好的方式我本身建議你還有一個今年天災不斷我也會刊好幾次結果我們天災一年只能補助一次部長我也跟院長報告多少%你知道嗎20%而已我說拜託院長跟部長\n做到要死一年頭停頓補助補助去10%那怎麼搞啦院長跟部長是不是嘗試一下長期以來天然救助辦法裡頭只有20%的數字真的是民眾級被拿到也是苦不堪言啦\n我跟那個委員報告我非常認同你的一個想法就是說我們現在的天然災害救助辦法的救助金的設計是用成本的20%去省不過我們這次去看了有時候很多它損失是全圓全毀但是我們救助只有成本的20%那這次因為大規模我們還有一些所謂的專案補助但是平常是沒有的所以我們也一直在思考我們是不是應該\n因為農民對於天災不是他願意面對的那這個時候我們是不是可以適度的去提高他的救助的計算的標準這個也會回應到很多委員一直要求我們提高救助金要打破20%的限制啦對 提高救助金還是在20%的限制會變成只有隨著物價走所以我們這一次會全盤的重新來考量他的他的這個救助標準的20%是不是可以往上拉部長 應該拉高\n所以說這一次災損的過程當中除了這一個重建20%往上拉打破之外\n趁這個機會輔導轉型包括我們之前提到的有關於溫室網的部分都要請部長多費心一下這些真的是很多另外復興的部分就是以後整個台南連續這一年之內跟院長報告我們總共四個災情那個災區已經深到人心了所以將來如何觀光復興農村旅遊的部分也請部長指示一下交通部跟農業部一起來帶動一下好不好 院長\n謝謝後面的部分我還有一件事情就是有關於經濟部接下來治水的工程要來就教院長跟經濟部經濟部這次編例的地方預算的搶修還有防汛的設備16億當中本席在所屬的這次最嚴重的南北門區北門區七股細湖還有沙洲富裕還有大寮排水的部分\n這個已經在協調台南市政府向中央提報已經有高達18億之多了18億之多呢院長我跟經濟部要求說經濟部說等到納入這個4年1000億的預算下一次的狀況1000億還沒通過啊我是跟院長拜託一下這18億當中呢裡頭有屬於這個短中長期的部分就是自然工法跟水工模型測試大概要5億元這個部分全部先花這5億元\n你總共有66億嘛你撥5億先來做一個比較中長期的部分另外13億的部分再納入1000億的治水預算院長你不能責成經濟部支持一下台南治水能夠速度快一點就是針對搶秋搶險目前看到的必須趕快把它停止下來所在擴大的未來比較中期的規劃就會納到未來的4年1000億裡面來看所以我經濟部請水利署在把委員剛剛所建議的\n那個地方的一個狀況是不是優先可以來納入優先納入啦好 我們來檢討謝謝院長那我跟院長說明一下為什麼一年四次淹三次原因在哪裡 原因在本席的選區當中剛好曾文希啊\n鄭文希流域當中他只要雨大的時候就要洩洪你知道洩洪最大的放流量每秒是2150噸這2150噸是八八風災當初的紀錄\n另外的部分每天累積的降雨量也是高達400毫米速度都非常的快以至於這種情況一邊在洩洪一邊在下雨所以很容易淹水所以這應該是淹水當中\n地區當中的重中之重也是應該治水當中最首要的目標所以我要拜託院長跟經濟部要多花一點心思在台南的治水的這部分除了南北門區特別是南科區它又是科技重鎮它雖然南科區裡頭有滋洪池可是周遭的地區都是從業人員沒有辦法上班沒有辦法上班它就影響到生產\n這是環環相扣的事情所以南科區的治水非常關鍵還有就是曾文區本身就是最大受害的就是馬道那個地方幾乎每次下雨就淹所以真的要請這個經濟部這個水利署所屬的這個單位把台南的治水\n這個曾文熙言語列為重中之重那個次長跟委員報告那曾文熙的這個排水系統的一個治理計畫在去年12月26號已經核定了那現在水利署跟台南市政府正在辦理這個曾文熙排水治理工程的一個用地取得\n還有先期作業的這個相關的一些工作那等到我們的這個明年度這個計劃核定之後我們就可以工程可以試我希望能夠趕快看到成果啦那後續的部分我還要就教於這個院長的部分院長你已經有對外宣示說我們的這個台電的這個主要電纜要地下化\n我覺得這是很好的這是眾多人的期待但是我跟院長報告說明一下我們內政部在2000年的時候就有通過所謂的共同管線管道法第12條當中就規定市區道路修築的時候應該是把電線纜的部分包括電力電信有線電視路燈交通號誌等等這個都是這次受損\n嚴重的地方啦我想說你乾脆你都要花台電都地下化了那地下化都有地下管溝嘛地下管溝一次成本做的時候八大管線通路你都一併可以執行嘛就要求他們一併做下去嘛像這一次的這一個那個NCC的部分花了2.95元2.65元是給業者重建那我問一下業者有沒有做什麼東西\n你給他錢業者如果沒有相對做的話也沒有辦法清理天總統下去的時候說以後的這一切整個電纜通訊的韌性強化三大業者都要要求每一次電話都能夠通如果是這樣子的話\n院長你要指示一下NCC還有相關單位把這些管線單位把它弄成一個共同管線這才是真正的國家基礎建設把它砍敗在一起共同來思考一來它可以強化任性之外二來還可以讓入坪專案不會常常被破壞\n水挖完換油 油挖完換電電化完換電信每天都挖來挖去 挖比賽的所以我是想說院長 趁這個機會你既然有這個決心已經要從事這個地下化工程能不能把電纜 電信還有交通耗資等等一併思考 院長\n有些城市都市已經往這個方向已經做進制了這個經驗跟委員的建議是一樣的我們在規劃的時候就應該加強所謂橫向的一個評估把它融合在一起這個我也請經濟部跟其他的相關部會在規劃的時候要一起來做這個重要的規劃工作這些跨部會的部分要請院長慎重指示一下趁這個機會強化我們真正屬於基礎前瞻的建設那另外一個部分\n院長剛剛林俊賢大家提我自己感同身透這一次呢第一線的公所人員真的是負擔沉重非常的大我們這次所謂的這個從優從寬我們真的做到了歷史以來我們條件真的最好這點一定要來坤町但是為什麼沒有辦法重塑跟重檢呢一個就是說你把舉證的責任都交給這些災民萬一有火箭輸不爽的 地震的或是傷害一大堆\n那這些舉證的責任導致說我們這個電子化政府推了幾十年了包括所得資料、工商登記、稅籍資料、地址、戶籍這炸到有了啦我意思是說應該我們有一個查證的系統根本不用叫民眾拿那麼多資料來也不用讓基層的公務人員那麼累\n本身透過電腦連線的時候來查證的時候你某某人你叫過公文我來查查的你這裡的資料都有啊你當時有放養登記你當時有做一些工商登記我都有啊我就不用全部提來了這樣就是一了百了啦\n一來基層的不用那麼累二來民眾也不用等待那麼久這是第一個本席提醒你的地方第二個本席要肯定你的地方這一次把這個災防指揮所設下來因為依照我們的災防法只是協調所而已你把它拉高\n結條的部分把重鎮都放在地方政府這一次中央直接下去指揮這是好的做法我希望將來災防法要入法把它成為以後行政的慣性遇到地方政府無法執行的時候中央就必須要介入好 謝謝郭國文委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.783 --> 00:28.453\n謝謝主席有請卓院長還有環境部彭部長以及內政部的劉部長麻煩再請卓院長環境部內政部備詢郭委員好院長好兩位部長好我想這個上面看到的這個地圖是屬於環境部跟民間團體所做的這個實棉地圖實棉網地圖\n\n00:30.413 --> 00:45.246\n其中台南是全國最多總共5萬4千多戶總量數大概10萬但是台南的整個行政區是37個區受災戶高達17個區依照環境部的估計恐怕台南10萬噸當中\n\n00:46.687 --> 01:14.029\n只有1萬噸受損其實就17個行政區來說我覺得環境部可能要重新再估計一下是不是只有占十分之一因為行政區37個區怎麼17個區當中只有快一半只有1萬這是第一個另外一個部分我必須肯定一下環境部跟台南市政府清除的速度非常的快已經接近一半但是這裡頭我想說要跟環境部建議一下\n\n01:14.830 --> 01:29.144\n就是說我們是清拆運一條龍的這種方式以照目前為止剛剛彭部長在回答林俊憲委員的時候說二十萬在補助中小企業中小企業補助二十萬請假就補救還有談判官給你來貼這九名幫這補救二十萬不是保生保害啦\n\n01:34.890 --> 01:58.305\n因為企業都撩多少錢二十萬張經濟暴風橋還要沒哪裡啊所以說這個應該環境部要擔起來我是不是請院長指示一下環境部災區裡頭的中小企業石棉瓦也請環境部用這個7億加7.8億總共14.8億來支付啦這是第一點就是擴大辦理因為這是政府的政策環境部現在就要推石棉瓦的清運計畫嘛另外也拜託劉部長\n\n01:59.606 --> 02:26.654\n劉部長這次編了21億在做一些拆除房屋老舊拆除的部分但是針對弱勢戶是不是拆除的過程連同石棉瓦是有補助沒有錯但是是不可以擴大到一般戶一般戶的石棉瓦拆除也需要專業因為一般人在拆除這石棉瓦不可能全戶武裝一下子防塵衣就N95口罩又防護鏡然後雙層手掃不可以這麼費工啦我們都要拆我家有可能不夠多一定要拜託專業來拆嘛\n\n02:28.434 --> 02:53.381\n這兩點是不是能夠擴大來辦理預算都有了一個20億一個是加了7億那是不是請院長裁刺一下或者兩位部長回答一下謝謝好報告委員其實我們現在原來的費用是7.9億還有額外7點多億大概14億左右那是針對農蓄社還有一般的民宅那我們是負責清運那內政部還有經濟部還有農業部都有負責拆除拆除是他們的分類\n\n02:53.902 --> 03:06.359\n對你都可以跨出到農畜社了對不對農畜社是屬於農業部的你會跨出到那邊你不能跨到這一個經濟部所屬中小企業嗎中小企業的經濟不變得太差啦我跟你們講應該是要來靠這中小企業啦\n\n03:10.325 --> 03:39.367\n你輸客一個啦OK好委員另外一個是說因為清運是一筆很大的費用因為一噸大概花四萬多塊所以基本上我們那個部分其實有擴大額外再吸收中小企業我有算過你們總共加成原來是71.78億至少有四萬噸的一個量能可以補助所以說你還可以接受新的對象我幫你算過錢這個部分那個內政部可不可以從弱勢戶擴大到一般戶部長我們在這次特別預算裡面大概現在預框是四億左右\n\n03:40.208 --> 03:57.207\n那如果說我們那個補助計畫裡面把現在你講的弱勢戶先核算一下如果有可能的話如果委員在我們這個預算在審查的過程當中有提這個案我們會遵照立法院所通過的議題來辦理那我再來進行提案謝謝部長的支持那後續我想要請農業部一下\n\n03:59.863 --> 04:19.674\n兩位請回謝謝院長農業部的部分這次石棉瓦的問題也很多石棉瓦問題多在哪裡多在總共有四百場那裡頭有一百場當中是進行樹理還有三百場那這三百場當中有備時還是傳統的續勤社就是不是暗場登記的這補充內行的都知道問題是這個部分趁這個機會你這邊農業部有兩個一個叫重建一個叫輔導\n\n04:28.519 --> 04:43.519\n那輔導的部份是什麼意思呢就是能夠讓他升級嘛或者讓他轉型嘛我想說在補電的部分就蓄木業的這個部份當他要另外轉型的時候能不能讓他多一點力氣部長\n\n04:44.961 --> 05:12.930\n我跟委員報告就是我們這邊的天災的部分大概分為三項一項是就是天然災救助辦法補助下去救助下去不夠用補助的方式補助已經拉到八成了所以這個部分是可以讓他做四度的升級那如果他要改成更高級的這些續勤社的時候我們另外會有專案的方式用個案的方式去處理對啦因為這一種多半你的白色是你那個是高級的\n\n05:13.550 --> 05:31.504\n而且傳統的都是傳統的古的那個是假的啦是假的啦那他如果賺錢的時候要改做水聯市的你應該讓他倒開一個啦這樣等於是把它升級嘛這是一種另外一種它是已經不行了破損它不行它要離幕你是不是要考慮一下把過去那個離幕專案\n\n05:33.685 --> 05:52.093\n斷出來讓他離開這個部分才是一種比較好的方式我本身建議你還有一個今年天災不斷我也會刊好幾次結果我們天災一年只能補助一次部長我也跟院長報告多少%你知道嗎20%而已我說拜託院長跟部長\n\n05:53.830 --> 06:10.112\n做到要死一年頭停頓補助補助去10%那怎麼搞啦院長跟部長是不是嘗試一下長期以來天然救助辦法裡頭只有20%的數字真的是民眾級被拿到也是苦不堪言啦\n\n06:11.694 --> 06:39.986\n我跟那個委員報告我非常認同你的一個想法就是說我們現在的天然災害救助辦法的救助金的設計是用成本的20%去省不過我們這次去看了有時候很多它損失是全圓全毀但是我們救助只有成本的20%那這次因為大規模我們還有一些所謂的專案補助但是平常是沒有的所以我們也一直在思考我們是不是應該\n\n06:41.286 --> 07:07.523\n因為農民對於天災不是他願意面對的那這個時候我們是不是可以適度的去提高他的救助的計算的標準這個也會回應到很多委員一直要求我們提高救助金要打破20%的限制啦對提高救助金還是在20%的限制會變成只有隨著物價走所以我們這一次會全盤的重新來考量他的他的這個救助標準的20%是不是可以往上拉部長應該拉高\n\n07:08.063 --> 07:10.845\n所以說這一次災損的過程當中除了這一個重建20%往上拉打破之外\n\n07:26.176 --> 07:51.769\n趁這個機會輔導轉型包括我們之前提到的有關於溫室網的部分都要請部長多費心一下這些真的是很多另外復興的部分就是以後整個台南連續這一年之內跟院長報告我們總共四個災情那個災區已經深到人心了所以將來如何觀光復興農村旅遊的部分也請部長指示一下交通部跟農業部一起來帶動一下好不好院長\n\n07:54.453 --> 08:19.724\n謝謝後面的部分我還有一件事情就是有關於經濟部接下來治水的工程要來就教院長跟經濟部經濟部這次編例的地方預算的搶修還有防汛的設備16億當中本席在所屬的這次最嚴重的南北門區北門區七股細湖還有沙洲富裕還有大寮排水的部分\n\n08:20.824 --> 08:48.040\n這個已經在協調台南市政府向中央提報已經有高達18億之多了18億之多呢院長我跟經濟部要求說經濟部說等到納入這個4年1000億的預算下一次的狀況1000億還沒通過啊我是跟院長拜託一下這18億當中呢裡頭有屬於這個短中長期的部分就是自然工法跟水工模型測試大概要5億元這個部分全部先花這5億元\n\n08:49.241 --> 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11:54.180\n我覺得這是很好的這是眾多人的期待但是我跟院長報告說明一下我們內政部在2000年的時候就有通過所謂的共同管線管道法第12條當中就規定市區道路修築的時候應該是把電線纜的部分包括電力電信有線電視路燈交通號誌等等這個都是這次受損\n\n11:55.547 --> 12:20.495\n嚴重的地方啦我想說你乾脆你都要花台電都地下化了那地下化都有地下管溝嘛地下管溝一次成本做的時候八大管線通路你都一併可以執行嘛就要求他們一併做下去嘛像這一次的這一個那個NCC的部分花了2.95元2.65元是給業者重建那我問一下業者有沒有做什麼東西\n\n12:21.824 --> 12:35.539\n你給他錢業者如果沒有相對做的話也沒有辦法清理天總統下去的時候說以後的這一切整個電纜通訊的韌性強化三大業者都要要求每一次電話都能夠通如果是這樣子的話\n\n12:37.601 --> 12:58.184\n院長你要指示一下NCC還有相關單位把這些管線單位把它弄成一個共同管線這才是真正的國家基礎建設把它砍敗在一起共同來思考一來它可以強化任性之外二來還可以讓入坪專案不會常常被破壞\n\n13:00.200 --> 13:17.091\n水挖完換油油挖完換電電化完換電信每天都挖來挖去挖比賽的所以我是想說院長趁這個機會你既然有這個決心已經要從事這個地下化工程能不能把電纜電信還有交通耗資等等一併思考院長\n\n13:18.432 --> 13:45.397\n有些城市都市已經往這個方向已經做進制了這個經驗跟委員的建議是一樣的我們在規劃的時候就應該加強所謂橫向的一個評估把它融合在一起這個我也請經濟部跟其他的相關部會在規劃的時候要一起來做這個重要的規劃工作這些跨部會的部分要請院長慎重指示一下趁這個機會強化我們真正屬於基礎前瞻的建設那另外一個部分\n\n13:46.317 --> 14:12.338\n院長剛剛林俊賢大家提我自己感同身透這一次呢第一線的公所人員真的是負擔沉重非常的大我們這次所謂的這個從優從寬我們真的做到了歷史以來我們條件真的最好這點一定要來坤町但是為什麼沒有辦法重塑跟重檢呢一個就是說你把舉證的責任都交給這些災民萬一有火箭輸不爽的地震的或是傷害一大堆\n\n14:15.919 --> 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原因在本席的選區當中剛好曾文希啊"},{"start":573.781,"end":583.311,"text":"鄭文希流域當中他只要雨大的時候就要洩洪你知道洩洪最大的放流量每秒是2150噸這2150噸是八八風災當初的紀錄"},{"start":589.737,"end":603.589,"text":"另外的部分每天累積的降雨量也是高達400毫米速度都非常的快以至於這種情況一邊在洩洪一邊在下雨所以很容易淹水所以這應該是淹水當中"},{"start":605.931,"end":631.276,"text":"地區當中的重中之重也是應該治水當中最首要的目標所以我要拜託院長跟經濟部要多花一點心思在台南的治水的這部分除了南北門區特別是南科區它又是科技重鎮它雖然南科區裡頭有滋洪池可是周遭的地區都是從業人員沒有辦法上班沒有辦法上班它就影響到生產"},{"start":632.632,"end":651.735,"text":"這是環環相扣的事情所以南科區的治水非常關鍵還有就是曾文區本身就是最大受害的就是馬道那個地方幾乎每次下雨就淹所以真的要請這個經濟部這個水利署所屬的這個單位把台南的治水"},{"start":652.556,"end":668.564,"text":"這個曾文熙言語列為重中之重那個次長跟委員報告那曾文熙的這個排水系統的一個治理計畫在去年12月26號已經核定了那現在水利署跟台南市政府正在辦理這個曾文熙排水治理工程的一個用地取得"},{"start":669.284,"end":689.249,"text":"還有先期作業的這個相關的一些工作那等到我們的這個明年度這個計劃核定之後我們就可以工程可以試我希望能夠趕快看到成果啦那後續的部分我還要就教於這個院長的部分院長你已經有對外宣示說我們的這個台電的這個主要電纜要地下化"},{"start":689.909,"end":714.18,"text":"我覺得這是很好的這是眾多人的期待但是我跟院長報告說明一下我們內政部在2000年的時候就有通過所謂的共同管線管道法第12條當中就規定市區道路修築的時候應該是把電線纜的部分包括電力電信有線電視路燈交通號誌等等這個都是這次受損"},{"start":715.547,"end":740.495,"text":"嚴重的地方啦我想說你乾脆你都要花台電都地下化了那地下化都有地下管溝嘛地下管溝一次成本做的時候八大管線通路你都一併可以執行嘛就要求他們一併做下去嘛像這一次的這一個那個NCC的部分花了2.95元2.65元是給業者重建那我問一下業者有沒有做什麼東西"},{"start":741.824,"end":755.539,"text":"你給他錢業者如果沒有相對做的話也沒有辦法清理天總統下去的時候說以後的這一切整個電纜通訊的韌性強化三大業者都要要求每一次電話都能夠通如果是這樣子的話"},{"start":757.601,"end":778.184,"text":"院長你要指示一下NCC還有相關單位把這些管線單位把它弄成一個共同管線這才是真正的國家基礎建設把它砍敗在一起共同來思考一來它可以強化任性之外二來還可以讓入坪專案不會常常被破壞"},{"start":780.2,"end":797.091,"text":"水挖完換油 油挖完換電電化完換電信每天都挖來挖去 挖比賽的所以我是想說院長 趁這個機會你既然有這個決心已經要從事這個地下化工程能不能把電纜 電信還有交通耗資等等一併思考 院長"},{"start":798.432,"end":825.397,"text":"有些城市都市已經往這個方向已經做進制了這個經驗跟委員的建議是一樣的我們在規劃的時候就應該加強所謂橫向的一個評估把它融合在一起這個我也請經濟部跟其他的相關部會在規劃的時候要一起來做這個重要的規劃工作這些跨部會的部分要請院長慎重指示一下趁這個機會強化我們真正屬於基礎前瞻的建設那另外一個部分"},{"start":826.317,"end":852.338,"text":"院長剛剛林俊賢大家提我自己感同身透這一次呢第一線的公所人員真的是負擔沉重非常的大我們這次所謂的這個從優從寬我們真的做到了歷史以來我們條件真的最好這點一定要來坤町但是為什麼沒有辦法重塑跟重檢呢一個就是說你把舉證的責任都交給這些災民萬一有火箭輸不爽的 地震的或是傷害一大堆"},{"start":855.919,"end":877.562,"text":"那這些舉證的責任導致說我們這個電子化政府推了幾十年了包括所得資料、工商登記、稅籍資料、地址、戶籍這炸到有了啦我意思是說應該我們有一個查證的系統根本不用叫民眾拿那麼多資料來也不用讓基層的公務人員那麼累"},{"start":878.183,"end":893.285,"text":"本身透過電腦連線的時候來查證的時候你某某人你叫過公文我來查查的你這裡的資料都有啊你當時有放養登記你當時有做一些工商登記我都有啊我就不用全部提來了這樣就是一了百了啦"},{"start":893.826,"end":910.603,"text":"一來基層的不用那麼累二來民眾也不用等待那麼久這是第一個本席提醒你的地方第二個本席要肯定你的地方這一次把這個災防指揮所設下來因為依照我們的災防法只是協調所而已你把它拉高"},{"start":912.1,"end":924.95,"text":"結條的部分把重鎮都放在地方政府這一次中央直接下去指揮這是好的做法我希望將來災防法要入法把它成為以後行政的慣性遇到地方政府無法執行的時候中央就必須要介入好 謝謝郭國文委員的質詢"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":206,"blocks":[["郭委員國文：（15時7分）謝謝主席，有請卓院長，還有環境部彭部長，以及內政部劉部長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長、環境部、內政部備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：郭委員好。"],["郭委員國文：院長好，兩位部長好。上面看到的這個地圖，是屬於環境部跟民間團體所做的石綿瓦地圖，其中臺南是全國最多，總共五萬四千多戶，總量數大概10萬，但是臺南整個行政區是37個區，受災戶高達17個區，依照環境部的估計，恐怕臺南10萬噸當中，只有1萬噸受損，就17個行政區來說，我覺得環境部可能要重新再估計一下是不是只有占十分之一？因為37個行政區，怎麼可能17個區受損，將近快一半行政區受損，但石綿廢棄物只有1萬噸？這是第一個。","另外一個部分，我必須肯定環境部跟臺南市政府清除的速度非常快，已經接近一半，但是我想要跟環境部建議一下，我們清、拆、運一條龍的這種方式，目前為止，剛剛彭部長在回答林俊憲委員的時候說20萬補助中小企業，中小企業補助20萬「生食都無夠，哪有通曝乾」來拆這些石綿瓦，這不夠，那20萬不是包山包海，淹水讓企業都賠很多錢，補助那20萬已經讓經濟部被罵很慘，所以環境部應該要承擔起來，我是不是請院長指示一下環境部，災區裡頭的中小企業石綿瓦也請環境部用這個7億加7.8億，總共14.8億來支付？這是第一點。就是擴大辦理，因為這是政府的政策，環境部現在就要推石綿瓦的清運計畫嘛！","另外也拜託劉部長，劉部長這次編了21億，在做一些房屋老舊拆除的部分，但是是針對弱勢戶，拆除的過程連同石綿瓦是有補助，沒有錯，但是是不是可以擴大到一般戶？一般戶的石綿瓦拆除也需要專業，因為一般人在拆除石綿瓦不可能全副武裝，一下子防塵衣、N95口罩、防護鏡，又雙層手套，不會那麼費工啦！我家要拆，有可能搞這麼多嗎？一定要拜託專業的來拆嘛！這兩點是不是能夠擴大來辦理？預算都有了，一個20億，一個是加了7億，是不是請院長裁示一下，或者2位部長回答一下？謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：請彭部長先回答。"],["彭部長啓明：報告委員，其實我們現在原來的費用是7.9億，還有額外七點多億，大概14億左右，是針對農畜舍還有一般的民宅，而我們環境部是負責清運，內政部、經濟部，還有農業部都有負責拆除，拆除有他們的分工。"],["郭委員國文：你們都可以跨到農畜舍了，對不對？"],["彭部長啓明：對。"],["郭委員國文：農畜舍是屬於農業部的，你們都能跨到那邊了，難道不能跨到經濟部所屬的中小企業嗎？經濟部在中小企業的預算編太少了，我跟你說，你們那筆預算應該是要來cover這些中小企業，你思考一下啦！好不好？"],["彭部長啓明：OK。委員，另外一個是因為清運是一筆很大的費用……"],["郭委員國文：我知道。"],["彭部長啓明：因為一噸大概花四萬多塊，所以基本上，我們那個部分其實有擴大額外再吸收中小企業，已經在解決。"],["郭委員國文：我有算過，你們總共加起來原本是7.78億，至少有4萬噸的量能可以補助啦！所以你們還可以接受新的補助對象，我幫你算過錢啦！針對這個部分，內政部可不可以從弱勢戶擴大到一般戶？"],["劉部長世芳：報告委員，我們在這次特別預算裡大概現在預匡4億左右啦！如果我們那個補助計畫裡，把現在你講的弱勢戶先核算一下，如果有可能的話，委員在這次預算審查的過程當中有提這個案，我們會遵照立法院所通過預算來辦理。"],["郭委員國文：好，我再來進行提案，也謝謝部長的支持。2位部長請回，謝謝。接下來，我請教一下農業部。"],["主席：請農業部陳部長。"],["郭委員國文：院長，針對農業部的部分，這次石綿瓦的問題也很多啦！石綿瓦問題多在哪裡呢？多在總共有400場，那裡頭有100場當中是進行清理，還有300場，這300場當中有八成是傳統的畜禽舍啦！就是不是案場登記的，這部長是內行的都知道。問題是呢？這部分趁這個機會，你們農業部有兩個：一個叫重建，一個叫輔導。輔導的部分是什麼意思呢？就是能夠讓他們升級，或者讓他們轉型嘛！部長，可不可以就畜牧業的這部分，當他們要另外轉型的時候，能不能讓他們多一點力氣？請教部長。"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，我們這次天災的部分大概分為三項，一項是農業天然災害救助辦法補助下去，如果不夠，我們用補助的方式，補助已經拉到八成了……"],["郭委員國文：對，我知道。"],["陳部長駿季：所以這個部分是可以讓他們作適度的升級，如果他們要改成更高級的這些畜禽舍的時候，我們另外會有專案的方式，也就是用個案的方式去處理。"],["郭委員國文：對啦！因為這一種多半、八成是高級的，這些傳統的都是舊的，養雞的、養豬的，他們如果趁這個時候要改成水簾式的，你們應該要幫忙一下，這樣等於是幫他們升級嘛！這是一種。另外一種，它是已經不行了、破損到不行，他們要離牧，你們是不是要考慮一下把過去那個離牧專案再端出來？讓他們離開，這才是一種比較好的方式，本席建議你。還有一個，今年天災不斷，我也會勘好幾次，結果我們天災一年只能補助一次，部長，我也跟院長報告，你們知道補助多少百分比嗎？20%而已啦！我就拜託院長跟部長，做到要死，一整年只補助20%，這怎麼夠啦！院長跟部長，是不是嘗試一下，長期以來農業天然災害救助辦法裡只有20%的數字，真的是民眾即便拿到也是苦不堪言啦！"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告，我非常認同你的想法，就是我們現在農業天然災害救助辦法的救助金設計是用成本的20%作為計算……"],["郭委員國文：對，20%。"],["陳部長駿季：不過我們這次去看了，有時候他們的損失很多是全園全毀，但是我們救助只有成本的20%……"],["郭委員國文：對，是用成本。"],["陳部長駿季：這次因為是大規模，我們還有一些所謂的專案補助，但是平常是沒有的，所以我們也一直在思考，是不是應該……因為農民對於天災也不是他們願意面對的，而在這個時候，我們是不是可以適度地去提高他們救助的計算標準？這個也會回應到很多委員一直要求我們提高救助金……"],["郭委員國文：要打破20%的限制啦！"],["陳部長駿季：對，提高救助金還是在20%的限制，會變成只有隨著物價走，所以我們這一次會全盤的重新考量救助標準的20%是不是可以往上拉？"],["郭委員國文：對啦，部長，應該拉高啦！拉高到40%……"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，我請農業部趕快來規劃及檢討，並把補助拉高，這個是我們現在應該做的。"],["郭委員國文：謝謝院長的支持啦！這一次災損的過程當中，除了重建20%打破往上拉之外，趁這個機會輔導轉型，包括之前提到關於溫室網的部分，都要請部長多費心一下，這些真的是很多。"],["陳部長駿季：是。"],["郭委員國文：另外關於復興的部分，跟院長報告，整個臺南連續一年之內總共4個災情，災區已經深入人心了，所以將來觀光如何復興及農村旅遊的部分，也請院長指示交通部跟農業部一起來帶動，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：好。"],["郭委員國文：謝謝。","後面的部分我還有一件事情，就是關於經濟部接下來的治水工程要來就教院長跟經濟部。經濟部這次編列的地方預算關於搶修還有防汛設備的66億當中，本席在所屬的這一次最嚴重的南、北門區、七股潟湖沙洲復育，還有大寮排水的部分，已經在協調臺南市政府向中央提報高達18億之多了。院長，我跟經濟部要求，經濟部說要等到納入4年1,000億的預算，下一次的狀況1,000億也還沒通過啊！我跟院長拜託一下，18億當中有屬於短、中、長期的部分，就是自然工法跟水工模型測試大概要5億元，這個部分能不能先花這5億元？總共有66億嘛！先撥5億來做一個比較中長期的部分，另外的13億部分再納入1,000億的治水預算，院長能不能責成經濟部支持一下臺南治水的速度快一點？"],["卓院長榮泰：這次的特別預算就是針對搶修、搶險，目前看到的必須趕快停止損害擴大的部分，比較中期的規劃就會納到未來4年1,000億裡面來看，所以我請經濟部和水利署把委員剛剛所建議關於地方的狀況，是不是可以優先納入這一次的……"],["郭委員國文：優先納入啦！"],["卓院長榮泰：我們來檢討。"],["郭委員國文：謝謝院長。我跟院長說明一下，為什麼1年4次淹3次，原因在哪裡？原因在本席的選區當中，剛好有曾文溪，曾文溪流域只要雨大的時候就要洩洪，你知道洩洪最大的放流量，每秒是2,150噸，2,150噸是八八風災當初的紀錄。另外每天累積的降雨量也是高達400毫米，速度都非常地快，以致於一邊在洩洪，一邊在下雨，所以很容易淹水，這應該是淹水地區當中的重中之重，也應該是治水當中最首要的目標。所以我要拜託院長跟經濟部要多花一點心思在臺南的治水，除了南、北門區，特別南科區又是科技重鎮，雖然南科區裡頭有滯洪池，可是周遭的地區都是從業人員沒有辦法上班。沒有辦法上班就影響到生產，這是環環相扣的事情，所以南科區的治水非常關鍵。還有曾文區本身最大受害的就是麻豆，那個地方幾乎每次下雨就淹，所以真的要請經濟部水利署所屬的單位，把臺南曾文溪沿域的治水列為重中之重。"],["何次長晉滄：跟委員報告，曾文溪排水系統的治理計畫，在去年12月26日已經核定了，現在水利署跟臺南市政府正在辦理曾文溪排水治理工程的用地取得，還有先期作業的相關工作，等到明年度計畫核定之後，工程就會發包……"],["郭委員國文：好啦！我希望能夠趕快看到成果啦！後續我還要就教於院長，院長已經有對外宣示台電的主要電纜要地下化，我覺得這是很好的，也是眾多人的期待。但是我跟院長報告說明一下，內政部在2000年的時候通過共同管道法，其中第十二條規定市區道路修築的時候，應該把電線電纜的部分，包括電力、電信、有線電視、路燈、交通號誌等等，這個都是這次受損嚴重的地方啦！我想你都要台電地下化了，地下化都有地下管溝嘛！地下管溝一次成本去做的時候，包括八大管線通路都可以一併執行嘛！就要求他們一併做下去嘛！像這一次NCC的部分花了2.95億元，2.65億元是給業者重建，那我問一下，業者有沒有做什麼東西？你給他錢，業者如果沒有相對做的話，也沒有辦法啊！前幾天總統下去的時候說以後整個電纜、通訊韌性強化，三大業者都要要求，每一支電話都要能夠通，如果是這樣的話，請院長指示一下NCC還有相關單位，把這些管線弄成共同管線，這才是真正的國家基礎建設！把它combine在一起，共同來思考，一來可以強化韌性，二來還可以貫徹路平專案，不會讓路面常常被破壞，因為水挖完換油，油挖完換電，電挖完換電信，每天都在挖來挖去，挖比賽的，所以我是想院長既然有這個決心，已經要從事地下化工程，能不能趁這個機會把電纜、電信還有交通號誌等等一併思考？"],["卓院長榮泰：有些城市已經往這個方向建置了，我想這個經驗跟委員的建議是一樣的，我們在規劃的時候就應該加強所有橫向的評估，把它融合在一起，這個我會請經濟部和其他的相關部會在規劃的時候，一起來做這個重要的規劃工作。"],["郭委員國文：這些跨部會的部分，要請院長慎重指示一下，趁這個機會強化我們真正屬於基礎、前瞻的建設。","另外一個部分，院長，剛剛林俊憲委員提到，我自己感同身受，這一次第一線的公所人員真的是負擔沉重，這次所謂的從優、從寬，我們真的做到了，有史以來我們的條件真的最好，這點一定要予以肯定，但是為什麼沒有辦法從速跟從簡呢？一個就是你把舉證的責任都交給這些災民，整天戶政事務所、地政事務所的一大堆，老實說我們的電子化政府推了幾十年了，包括所得資料、工商登記、稅籍資料、地籍、戶籍早就有了啦，我的意思是我們應該有一個查證的系統，根本不用叫民眾拿那麼多資料來，也不用讓基層的公務人員那麼累，透過電腦連線來查證的時候，譬如某某人叫郭國文，我一查這些資料都有了，什麼時候有放養登記、什麼時候有做工商登記，政府都有，民眾就不用全部拿來了，這樣就是一了百了啦！一來基層公務人員不用那麼累，二來民眾也不用等待那麼久，這是第一個本席提醒你的地方。第二個本席要肯定你的地方是，這一次設立災防指揮所，因為根據我們的災防法，只是協調所而已，你把它拉高，協調的部分把重鎮都放在地方政府，這一次中央直接下去指揮，這是好的作法，我希望將來災防法要入法，把它變成以後行政的慣性，遇到地方政府無法執行的時候，中央就必須要介入。"],["卓院長榮泰：這次是數量龐大，復原的時間可能很久，這個是復原指揮所以後的辦公室，我們就朝這個方向來做。"],["郭委員國文：對，沒有錯，但是將來比較可長可久的方式還是要用災防法修法會比較好一點，這是本席的建議。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們來研議，謝謝委員。"],["郭委員國文：謝謝院長，謝謝部長。"],["主席：謝謝郭國文委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長的備詢。","接下來請蘇清泉委員質詢，邱議瑩委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":276,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-26","speakers":["韓國瑜","林俊憲","郭國文","蘇清泉","邱議瑩","王鴻薇","陳冠廷","楊瓊瓔","林憶君","王育敏","何欣純","徐巧芯"],"page_start":216,"meetingDate":["2025-08-26"],"gazette_id":"1147401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147401_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第26次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、行政院公共工程委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告\n「中央政府丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147401_00005"}}}