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00:02:26,379\n楊柳颱風首受的災害因為它也是在七二八之後的連續豪雨它應該歸納整個適用範圍謝謝院長我對你民視第二個問題就是這一次的楊柳颱風在我們屏東我們霧台山頂門就是大社那邊五間柱十六戶的街柱都土都崩壞了現在這裡要求說\n\n7\n00:02:44,204 --> 00:03:10,696\n以前你那裡八八風災的時候永久屋他們沒有下來也沒有竊竊下來那像這一些是不是可以從寬的來跟他處理這個院長可以考慮嗎實際的狀況是不是請屏東縣政府跟我們的前進指揮所的辦公室一起來研究我們希望用更簡便的方法從優從寬來認定\n\n8\n00:03:12,810 --> 00:03:41,636\n因為這個對他們來講是一輩子的大事啦對我們來講可能是小事那上次我在關心的就是從寬的認定剛剛好幾位委員也都一樣大家都很關心我發現這個災害不管哪一個政黨都非常關心而且都是以百姓人民的出發點真的是很溫暖啦謝謝大家用非常快的速度通過了特別的條例以及今天來審查特別預算謝謝\n\n9\n00:03:42,332 --> 00:04:00,517\n那再來就是我們農損從寬洞認定上次我提的就是像嘉義那個蚵仔麵一盤補五百塊沒中對不對對啦叫那個香港社會的人去找白鴨車去現場那去想那時候去看那時候那風雲那麼大說有這麼可靠這麼無聊的一個農業部居然會這種要求\n\n10\n00:04:11,806 --> 00:04:38,232\n用空拍機用搖桿這個是很現代化的東西所以不要再去做那些無聊違反科學的空拍機現在那麼多無聯機那麼多只要去企業全品項全方位剛剛你講的嘛我們要以百姓為優先嘛我就一直在講農業部最大存在的價值就是照顧這三百萬農漁牧的\n\n11\n00:04:41,220 --> 00:05:01,592\n我們的人民我們的國民農漁牧三百萬人所以關稅應用特別都很高興到現在不知道有沒有透明都搞不清楚所以這個一定要院長一定要好好的把持這些人就是我們的國民我們最疼惜的好不好\n\n12\n00:05:03,173 --> 00:05:22,172\n我跟委員報告一下就是現在目前的勘災的部分在路上就是用勘災APP照相以後公所就會認定那這個部分大概大部分的很多公所都已經確認可以用這個了那您至於說海上的部分我們也寫到公所是可以必要的時候我們用空拍機去直接去拍\n\n13\n00:05:22,833 --> 00:05:46,544\n然後如果要出去看的時候一定要風平浪靜這個我想我們也會在公所會確認那後續我們會把海上的這些空拍的系統直接納到一個現勘的一個作業規範裡面好謝謝部長很辛苦表現非常好那剛剛有好幾個委員也在講阿你那波族的金魚農損的金額部長院長我還要跟你講一件\n\n14\n00:05:47,932 --> 00:05:55,145\n你用身份的20%來補助然後你的榮損的金額就是用那60%\n\n15\n00:05:56,779 --> 00:06:24,203\n所以你每次公佈的農損的金額都是很少那這樣是顯示什麼顯示說災害很輕還是你在蒙蔽什麼院長這種計算方式是不是要改這個沒有人看的原因這個計算的標準應該是行之多年一直沒有檢討那農業部應該來檢討去面對這樣極端氣候全面檢討是必要的\n\n16\n00:06:24,563 --> 00:06:50,481\n對啦這個用這種農事我每次都看不下去誰想生死五十年你跟我說生死五十千萬笑死人了對不對我們會衡量現在整個財政的結構對盡量來幫助農漁民你用你的身份的資格來補助我上次講了嘛育兒包一分多如果能收成能收二三十萬結果你一分多補助六千八千\n\n17\n00:06:52,405 --> 00:07:12,817\n可能補償的方式沒有辦法達到市價或是實際價錢能夠再起這個做跟做的這個作用幫他能夠重新再能夠起來這個才是我們的作用有一點點感而且一塊農地一年才補助一次喔\n\n18\n00:07:15,548 --> 00:07:41,757\n所以這個金額要提高啦不是我講的剛才古來的委員也講啊國國也講啊頂頂啊所以這要檢討啦我們請農業部來檢討讓他能夠重新復耕能力這樣的方式來做檢討好那再來我再跟你講東港的這印度你今天要給我答應我今天要再出來當天跟你喝水啊就每天如果大大流\n\n19\n00:07:43,220 --> 00:08:09,370\n上潮、大潮就陰當天接下來有一個成功搜水站有一個光屋搜水站那是在馬英九時代、阿扁時代就起了現在這邊只剩東港大排還有有無溪、小甲的地方如果大潮開,那裡就有水災了那水災面,我去廢坑久了幾年了就好像差在京府,暗瓶有多少錢\n\n20\n00:08:10,700 --> 00:08:28,539\n對把他關心一下把他答應一下這齁這是笑死人了一個又贏兩次了還要放開來製作的提升兩邊的戶題是一個方式或是如果有抽水站抽水機加大他抽派的這個作品沒錯做個抽水站在那邊就比較\n\n21\n00:08:30,143 --> 00:08:58,206\n假來那兩咖案就解決了這如果做了演完一四人都感謝你經濟部水利署去現場了解我們能夠緊急的或是優先來處理我們來納入現場不然的話你看這個每一個也演兩次來下一張我們來講這個就是損害的部分我不用在最初剛剛已經有講了溫室的東西啦我這一次發現屏東的韌性比較強\n\n22\n00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:23,946\n屏東一天到晚外國起床所以這間林佳嵐真的是百年沒有颱風直撲陳部長常常去我常常去屏東勘災所以大家的記憶很重所以我這次看台南那邊的災害真的是很大很突然所以一定要寬烈那屏東台東比照嘛好下一張\n\n23\n00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:36,483\n我現在再來就是跟環境部有關我們環境部處理這一個嘉義那個我們有去現勘我們有去勘這是當局加當的外海\n\n24\n00:09:48,107 --> 00:10:16,841\n那個太陽能板現在知道那個公司是台灣的公司標的那個泰國的公司我不知道啦這如果是違法就要板啦你給他發三百萬三百萬三百萬給他發三百萬他也不給你信到啊你說什麼要請去廟裡請去哪裡要去分解就現場都給你搞啦就給你分解啦部長院長這你看啊你怎麼看下去\n\n25\n00:10:17,583 --> 00:10:44,418\n報告委員元玉科技的公司他已經被我們罰到900萬了他也提出一個清理的計畫書當然我們還是給他時間因為他有給我們一個新的承諾書是9月5號以前在這個池現在池的上面已經沒有了自動池上面沒有了是他放在旁邊但是我們認為他還是違反廢清法而且我們還是給他一點點時間他們提出來希望9月5號以前我們現在正在審他的這個計畫\n\n26\n00:10:45,459 --> 00:11:12,118\n那如果他真的是非常糟糕的話那我已經公開說了我會接手而且代位求償然後給他最重的處罰甚至他以後都沒有辦法營運所以這個他要負起責任的那另外一個剛剛委員說的是那個屏東的三寶那這個已經被我們退回去了那希望他們再補正因為這邊算是什麼優良的農地他們必須考量限地的一個狀況所以我們其實環境部已經退回去了\n\n27\n00:11:12,972 --> 00:11:40,621\n院長院長我看喔家裡那個光電板那個可能是擺爛啊不然放到桌子裡啦到樓北還是政府要去檢查那個環境部是強力的要求他我們到現場去看我也強力的要求他那都那三館是誰人的是公司都炒不夠亂七八糟相同地區啊相同地區有其他的我們本土的廠商跟我們配合的意願結果都很好就這一家喔他這個這個態度上我覺得大有問題那\n\n28\n00:11:41,981 --> 00:12:05,078\n環境部已經連續開發而且有更強硬的手段高委員我們台灣壞了三十幾個地方啦大的三十幾個地方那其他都清完了只剩下這個地方就是新莊志鴻池好我們看那個老批農場這個剛剛部長有講了我非常欽佩你把這個三家公司院長這就是屏東內部的老批農場這裡有八百公頃\n\n29\n00:12:11,406 --> 00:12:24,012\n平地茶有坡度的茶現在整個都要弄光電盤三家公司那也是水土保護區什麼區什麼區都有然後我們的環境部把它退回\n\n30\n00:12:26,113 --> 00:12:53,476\n我覺得很有勇氣不過我看他們會再檢討重來我們不要再破壞我們的環境了好不好再搞一搞又變成土石油了不會我已經公開宣布地方有重大疑慮的破壞生態的我們的疑慮不應該核准好院長的承諾好這個是更誇張的我們的台東沿岸要踩50多公里風車\n\n31\n00:12:55,154 --> 00:13:15,285\n現在要去屏東的榜山還有獅子鄉要再採11基然後東海岸反風車大聯盟已經成立我們屏東這裡我們加入了叫做東海岸南迴恆春半島反風車大聯盟這就是預計在榜山要採的\n\n32\n00:13:19,593 --> 00:13:38,949\n這個一個風車造價2012年是1.2億1.3億現在可能搞不好2億都要以前海上的風車一隻要8億現在可能要十幾億所以這個成本很高然後賣給台電賣到6塊7塊8塊\n\n33\n00:13:42,747 --> 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15級所以這個在屏東在台東也應該要感受一下因為你現在這個災害也分不清了院長這樣可以嗎\n112395\t133055\t這次的特別預算名稱縱然叫做中央政府丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建那我們知道728之後是連續性的豪雨豪雨到楊柳颱風來我想這是一個連貫性的氣候的變遷那麼我日前到南部去的時候我們已經正式的有公佈\n134396\t146379\t楊柳颱風首受的災害因為它也是在七二八之後的連續豪雨它應該歸納整個適用範圍謝謝院長我對你民視第二個問題就是這一次的楊柳颱風在我們屏東我們霧台 山頂門就是大社那邊五間柱 十六戶的街柱都 土都崩壞了現在這裡要求說\n164204\t190696\t以前你那裡 八八風災的時候永久屋他們沒有下來 也沒有竊竊下來那像這一些是不是可以從寬的來跟他處理這個院長可以考慮嗎實際的狀況是不是請屏東縣政府跟我們的前進指揮所的辦公室一起來研究我們希望用更簡便的方法從優從寬來認定\n192810\t221636\t因為這個對他們來講是一輩子的大事啦對我們來講可能是小事那上次我在關心的就是從寬的認定剛剛好幾位委員也都一樣大家都很關心我發現這個災害不管哪一個政黨都非常關心而且都是以百姓人民的出發點真的是很溫暖啦謝謝大家用非常快的速度通過了特別的條例以及今天來審查特別預算 謝謝\n222332\t240517\t那再來就是我們農損從寬洞認定上次我提的就是像嘉義那個蚵仔麵一盤補五百塊沒中對不對對啦 叫那個香港社會的人去找白鴨車去現場那去想那時候去看那時候那風雲那麼大說有這麼可靠 這麼無聊的一個農業部居然會這種要求\n251806\t278232\t用空拍機 用搖桿 這個是很現代化的東西所以不要再去做那些無聊 違反科學的空拍機現在那麼多 無聯機那麼多只要去企業全品項 全方位 剛剛你講的嘛我們要以百姓為優先嘛我就一直在講 農業部最大存在的價值就是照顧這三百萬農漁牧的\n281220\t301592\t我們的人民 我們的國民 農漁牧三百萬人所以關稅應用特別 都很高興到現在不知道有沒有透明都搞不清楚所以這個一定要 院長一定要好好的把持這些人就是我們的國民我們最疼惜的 好不好\n303173\t322172\t我跟委員報告一下就是現在目前的勘災的部分在路上就是用勘災APP照相以後公所就會認定那這個部分大概大部分的很多公所都已經確認可以用這個了那您至於說海上的部分我們也寫到公所是可以必要的時候我們用空拍機去直接去拍\n322833\t346544\t然後如果要出去看的時候一定要風平浪靜這個我想我們也會在公所會確認那後續我們會把海上的這些空拍的系統直接納到一個現勘的一個作業規範裡面好 謝謝 部長很辛苦 表現非常好那剛剛有好幾個委員也在講阿你那波族的金魚 農損的金額部長 院長我還要跟你講一件\n347932\t355145\t你用身份的20%來補助然後你的榮損的金額就是用那60%\n356779\t384203\t所以你每次公佈的農損的金額都是很少那這樣是顯示什麼顯示說災害很輕還是你在蒙蔽什麼院長 這種計算方式是不是要改這個沒有人看的原因這個計算的標準應該是行之多年一直沒有檢討那農業部應該來檢討去面對這樣極端氣候全面檢討是必要的\n384563\t410481\t對啦 這個用這種農事我每次都看不下去誰想生死五十年你跟我說生死五十千萬 笑死人了 對不對我們會衡量現在整個財政的結構對 盡量來幫助農漁民你用你的身份的資格來補助我上次講了嘛 育兒包一分多如果能收成 能收二三十萬結果你一分多補助六千八千\n412405\t432817\t可能補償的方式沒有辦法達到市價或是實際價錢能夠再起這個做跟做的這個作用幫他能夠重新再能夠起來這個才是我們的作用有一點點感而且一塊農地一年才補助一次喔\n435548\t461757\t所以這個金額要提高啦不是我講的 剛才古來的委員也講啊國國也講啊 頂頂啊所以這要檢討啦我們請農業部來檢討讓他能夠重新復耕能力這樣的方式來做檢討好 那再來我再跟你講東港的這印度你今天要給我答應我今天要再出來當天跟你喝水啊就每天如果大大流\n463220\t489370\t上潮、大潮就陰當天接下來有一個成功搜水站有一個光屋搜水站那是在馬英九時代、阿扁時代就起了現在這邊只剩東港大排還有有無溪、小甲的地方如果大潮開,那裡就有水災了那水災面,我去廢坑久了幾年了就好像差在京府,暗瓶有多少錢\n490700\t508539\t對 把他關心一下 把他答應一下這齁 這是笑死人了 一個又贏兩次了還要放開來製作的提升兩邊的戶題是一個方式或是如果有抽水站 抽水機加大他抽派的這個作品沒錯 做個抽水站在那邊就比較\n510143\t538206\t假來那兩咖 案就解決了這如果做了 演完一四人都感謝你經濟部水利署去現場了解我們能夠緊急的或是優先來處理我們來納入現場不然的話你看這個每一個也演兩次來 下一張我們來講這個就是損害的部分我不用在最初剛剛已經有講了溫室的東西啦我這一次發現屏東的韌性比較強\n539400\t563946\t屏東一天到晚外國起床所以這間林佳嵐真的是百年沒有颱風直撲陳部長常常去我常常去屏東勘災所以大家的記憶很重所以我這次看台南那邊的災害真的是很大很突然所以一定要寬烈那屏東台東比照嘛好 下一張\n567000\t576483\t我現在再來就是跟環境部有關我們環境部處理這一個嘉義那個我們有去現勘我們有去勘這是當局 加當的外海\n588107\t616841\t那個太陽能板現在知道那個公司是台灣的公司標的那個泰國的公司 我不知道啦這如果是違法就要板啦你給他發三百萬 三百萬 三百萬給他發三百萬他也不給你信到啊你說什麼要請去廟裡 請去哪裡要去分解就現場都給你搞啦 就給你分解啦部長 院長這你看啊 你怎麼看下去\n617583\t644418\t報告委員 元玉科技的公司他已經被我們罰到900萬了他也提出一個清理的計畫書當然我們還是給他時間因為他有給我們一個新的承諾書是9月5號以前在這個池 現在池的上面已經沒有了自動池上面沒有了是他放在旁邊但是我們認為他還是違反廢清法而且我們還是給他一點點時間他們提出來希望9月5號以前我們現在正在審他的這個計畫\n645459\t672118\t那如果他真的是非常糟糕的話那我已經公開說了我會接手而且代位求償然後給他最重的處罰甚至他以後都沒有辦法營運所以這個他要負起責任的那另外一個剛剛委員說的是那個屏東的三寶那這個已經被我們退回去了那希望他們再補正因為這邊算是什麼優良的農地他們必須考量限地的一個狀況所以我們其實環境部已經退回去了\n672972\t700621\t院長 院長我看喔 家裡那個光電板那個可能是擺爛 啊不然放到桌子裡啦到樓北還是政府要去檢查那個環境部是強力的要求他我們到現場去看 我也強力的要求他那都 那三館是誰人的 是公司都炒不夠 亂七八糟相同地區啊 相同地區有其他的我們本土的廠商跟我們配合的意願 結果都很好就這一家喔 他這個這個態度上我覺得大有問題那\n701981\t725078\t環境部已經連續開發而且有更強硬的手段高委員我們台灣壞了三十幾個地方啦大的三十幾個地方那其他都清完了只剩下這個地方就是新莊 志鴻池好 我們看那個老批農場這個剛剛部長有講了我非常欽佩你把這個三家公司院長這就是屏東內部的老批農場這裡有八百公頃\n731406\t744012\t平地茶有坡度的茶現在整個都要弄光電盤三家公司那也是水土保護區什麼區什麼區都有然後我們的環境部把它退回\n746113\t773476\t我覺得很有勇氣不過我看他們會再檢討重來我們不要再破壞我們的環境了好不好再搞一搞又變成土石油了不會 我已經公開宣布地方有重大疑慮的破壞生態的我們的疑慮不應該核准好 院長的承諾好 這個是更誇張的我們的台東沿岸要踩50多公里風車\n775154\t795285\t現在要去屏東的榜山還有獅子鄉要再採11基然後東海岸反風車大聯盟已經成立我們屏東這裡我們加入了叫做東海岸南迴恆春半島反風車大聯盟這就是預計在榜山要採的\n799593\t818949\t這個一個風車造價2012年是1.2億 1.3億現在可能搞不好2億都要以前海上的風車一隻要8億現在可能要十幾億所以這個成本很高然後賣給台電賣到6塊 7塊 8塊\n822747\t841301\t然後1.1塊錢的核能你不用你去用7、8塊錢的然後虧損一大堆這個都是要新蓋的然後一支一電風車一年的發電量最多五、六百萬度五、六百萬度而已然後它的低頻\n842990\t861017\t所以他們現在反對大聯盟那我屏東也加入他們要組團來環境部來經濟部抗爭我說我支持你們台東的也要加入這也不用再補了啦花東那邊都是\n862335\t871747\t大颱風來 首當其衝十六級 十七級 欸 不一定前兩天 藍營十七級 爆表那風車動會掉嗎那風車要怎麼回去\n876716\t902092\t報告委員 我以前已經在台東有公開說對於這樣的我們是不鼓勵也不支持那他現在是他想要開發但是也報告委員我們在過去這幾個月我們已經把幾個類似這樣的案例全部擋掉了 全部退回了所以請委員放心因為有剩下30秒 議長我要跟你說你最近去屏東 我都沒出息我都不會去 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叫那個香港社會的人去找白鴨車去現場那去想那時候去看那時候那風雲那麼大說有這麼可靠 這麼無聊的一個農業部居然會這種要求\n用空拍機 用搖桿 這個是很現代化的東西所以不要再去做那些無聊 違反科學的空拍機現在那麼多 無聯機那麼多只要去企業全品項 全方位 剛剛你講的嘛我們要以百姓為優先嘛我就一直在講 農業部最大存在的價值就是照顧這三百萬農漁牧的\n我們的人民 我們的國民 農漁牧三百萬人所以關稅應用特別 都很高興到現在不知道有沒有透明都搞不清楚所以這個一定要 院長一定要好好的把持這些人就是我們的國民我們最疼惜的 好不好\n我跟委員報告一下就是現在目前的勘災的部分在路上就是用勘災APP照相以後公所就會認定那這個部分大概大部分的很多公所都已經確認可以用這個了那您至於說海上的部分我們也寫到公所是可以必要的時候我們用空拍機去直接去拍\n然後如果要出去看的時候一定要風平浪靜這個我想我們也會在公所會確認那後續我們會把海上的這些空拍的系統直接納到一個現勘的一個作業規範裡面好 謝謝 部長很辛苦 表現非常好那剛剛有好幾個委員也在講阿你那波族的金魚 農損的金額部長 院長我還要跟你講一件\n你用身份的20%來補助然後你的榮損的金額就是用那60%\n所以你每次公佈的農損的金額都是很少那這樣是顯示什麼顯示說災害很輕還是你在蒙蔽什麼院長 這種計算方式是不是要改這個沒有人看的原因這個計算的標準應該是行之多年一直沒有檢討那農業部應該來檢討去面對這樣極端氣候全面檢討是必要的\n對啦 這個用這種農事我每次都看不下去誰想生死五十年你跟我說生死五十千萬 笑死人了 對不對我們會衡量現在整個財政的結構對 盡量來幫助農漁民你用你的身份的資格來補助我上次講了嘛 育兒包一分多如果能收成 能收二三十萬結果你一分多補助六千八千\n可能補償的方式沒有辦法達到市價或是實際價錢能夠再起這個做跟做的這個作用幫他能夠重新再能夠起來這個才是我們的作用有一點點感而且一塊農地一年才補助一次喔\n所以這個金額要提高啦不是我講的 剛才古來的委員也講啊國國也講啊 頂頂啊所以這要檢討啦我們請農業部來檢討讓他能夠重新復耕能力這樣的方式來做檢討好 那再來我再跟你講東港的這印度你今天要給我答應我今天要再出來當天跟你喝水啊就每天如果大大流\n上潮、大潮就陰當天接下來有一個成功搜水站有一個光屋搜水站那是在馬英九時代、阿扁時代就起了現在這邊只剩東港大排還有有無溪、小甲的地方如果大潮開,那裡就有水災了那水災面,我去廢坑久了幾年了就好像差在京府,暗瓶有多少錢\n對 把他關心一下 把他答應一下這齁 這是笑死人了 一個又贏兩次了還要放開來製作的提升兩邊的戶題是一個方式或是如果有抽水站 抽水機加大他抽派的這個作品沒錯 做個抽水站在那邊就比較\n假來那兩咖 案就解決了這如果做了 演完一四人都感謝你經濟部水利署去現場了解我們能夠緊急的或是優先來處理我們來納入現場不然的話你看這個每一個也演兩次來 下一張我們來講這個就是損害的部分我不用在最初剛剛已經有講了溫室的東西啦我這一次發現屏東的韌性比較強\n屏東一天到晚外國起床所以這間林佳嵐真的是百年沒有颱風直撲陳部長常常去我常常去屏東勘災所以大家的記憶很重所以我這次看台南那邊的災害真的是很大很突然所以一定要寬烈那屏東台東比照嘛好 下一張\n我現在再來就是跟環境部有關我們環境部處理這一個嘉義那個我們有去現勘我們有去勘這是當局 加當的外海\n那個太陽能板現在知道那個公司是台灣的公司標的那個泰國的公司 我不知道啦這如果是違法就要板啦你給他發三百萬 三百萬 三百萬給他發三百萬他也不給你信到啊你說什麼要請去廟裡 請去哪裡要去分解就現場都給你搞啦 就給你分解啦部長 院長這你看啊 你怎麼看下去\n報告委員 元玉科技的公司他已經被我們罰到900萬了他也提出一個清理的計畫書當然我們還是給他時間因為他有給我們一個新的承諾書是9月5號以前在這個池 現在池的上面已經沒有了自動池上面沒有了是他放在旁邊但是我們認為他還是違反廢清法而且我們還是給他一點點時間他們提出來希望9月5號以前我們現在正在審他的這個計畫\n那如果他真的是非常糟糕的話那我已經公開說了我會接手而且代位求償然後給他最重的處罰甚至他以後都沒有辦法營運所以這個他要負起責任的那另外一個剛剛委員說的是那個屏東的三寶那這個已經被我們退回去了那希望他們再補正因為這邊算是什麼優良的農地他們必須考量限地的一個狀況所以我們其實環境部已經退回去了\n院長 院長我看喔 家裡那個光電板那個可能是擺爛 啊不然放到桌子裡啦到樓北還是政府要去檢查那個環境部是強力的要求他我們到現場去看 我也強力的要求他那都 那三館是誰人的 是公司都炒不夠 亂七八糟相同地區啊 相同地區有其他的我們本土的廠商跟我們配合的意願 結果都很好就這一家喔 他這個這個態度上我覺得大有問題那\n環境部已經連續開發而且有更強硬的手段高委員我們台灣壞了三十幾個地方啦大的三十幾個地方那其他都清完了只剩下這個地方就是新莊 志鴻池好 我們看那個老批農場這個剛剛部長有講了我非常欽佩你把這個三家公司院長這就是屏東內部的老批農場這裡有八百公頃\n平地茶有坡度的茶現在整個都要弄光電盤三家公司那也是水土保護區什麼區什麼區都有然後我們的環境部把它退回\n我覺得很有勇氣不過我看他們會再檢討重來我們不要再破壞我們的環境了好不好再搞一搞又變成土石油了不會 我已經公開宣布地方有重大疑慮的破壞生態的我們的疑慮不應該核准好 院長的承諾好 這個是更誇張的我們的台東沿岸要踩50多公里風車\n現在要去屏東的榜山還有獅子鄉要再採11基然後東海岸反風車大聯盟已經成立我們屏東這裡我們加入了叫做東海岸南迴恆春半島反風車大聯盟這就是預計在榜山要採的\n這個一個風車造價2012年是1.2億 1.3億現在可能搞不好2億都要以前海上的風車一隻要8億現在可能要十幾億所以這個成本很高然後賣給台電賣到6塊 7塊 8塊\n然後1.1塊錢的核能你不用你去用7、8塊錢的然後虧損一大堆這個都是要新蓋的然後一支一電風車一年的發電量最多五、六百萬度五、六百萬度而已然後它的低頻\n所以他們現在反對大聯盟那我屏東也加入他們要組團來環境部來經濟部抗爭我說我支持你們台東的也要加入這也不用再補了啦花東那邊都是\n大颱風來 首當其衝十六級 十七級 欸 不一定前兩天 藍營十七級 爆表那風車動會掉嗎那風車要怎麼回去\n報告委員 我以前已經在台東有公開說對於這樣的我們是不鼓勵也不支持那他現在是他想要開發但是也報告委員我們在過去這幾個月我們已經把幾個類似這樣的案例全部擋掉了 全部退回了所以請委員放心因為有剩下30秒 議長我要跟你說你最近去屏東 我都沒出息我都不會去 是怎樣你敢知道\n我最近幾次到各縣市看災我都特別要求我們不要那個儀式型的簡報講話等等我只要聽聽現場的狀況所以我們都沒有公開的儀式也不會主動的通知那這一點\n好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.508 --> 00:28.264\n謝謝院長謝謝主席我請卓院長農業部陳部長麻煩再請卓院長農業部陳部長農業部備詢環境部彭部長環境部備詢蘇委員好院長辛苦了大家辛苦謝謝講幾天了不簡單\n\n00:31.690 --> 00:55.889\n好這個是我們今天講的特別條例是丹納斯颱風728豪雨緊接著就是楊柳颱風楊柳颱風在台東在屏東造成很大的傷害我去現場看事實上我也分不清這是新鮮還是古鮮來下一張這個是在來義看到的\n\n01:03.069 --> 01:24.181\n那個壓溪啦,都壞掉了,淹得一塌糊塗,連橋都斷了。那我就問那個鄉長說,這是新鄉還是古的鄉,他說不知道,分不清啊。所以我跟院長這邊要確認,就是說這個丹納斯加上728,因為那個豪雨在屏東,\n\n01:25.382 --> 01:50.213\n在原鄉那邊六天的雨量幾乎是2800公里以上已經跟莫拉克差不多甚至於超過這個洋流風速有1415級所以這個在屏東在台東也應該要感受一下因為你現在這個災害也分不清了院長這樣可以嗎\n\n01:52.395 --> 02:13.055\n這次的特別預算名稱縱然叫做中央政府丹納斯颱風及728豪雨災後復原重建那我們知道728之後是連續性的豪雨豪雨到楊柳颱風來我想這是一個連貫性的氣候的變遷那麼我日前到南部去的時候我們已經正式的有公佈\n\n02:14.396 --> 02:26.379\n楊柳颱風首受的災害因為它也是在七二八之後的連續豪雨它應該歸納整個適用範圍謝謝院長我對你民視第二個問題就是這一次的楊柳颱風在我們屏東我們霧台山頂門就是大社那邊五間柱十六戶的街柱都土都崩壞了現在這裡要求說\n\n02:44.204 --> 03:10.696\n以前你那裡八八風災的時候永久屋他們沒有下來也沒有竊竊下來那像這一些是不是可以從寬的來跟他處理這個院長可以考慮嗎實際的狀況是不是請屏東縣政府跟我們的前進指揮所的辦公室一起來研究我們希望用更簡便的方法從優從寬來認定\n\n03:12.810 --> 03:41.636\n因為這個對他們來講是一輩子的大事啦對我們來講可能是小事那上次我在關心的就是從寬的認定剛剛好幾位委員也都一樣大家都很關心我發現這個災害不管哪一個政黨都非常關心而且都是以百姓人民的出發點真的是很溫暖啦謝謝大家用非常快的速度通過了特別的條例以及今天來審查特別預算謝謝\n\n03:42.332 --> 04:00.517\n那再來就是我們農損從寬洞認定上次我提的就是像嘉義那個蚵仔麵一盤補五百塊沒中對不對對啦叫那個香港社會的人去找白鴨車去現場那去想那時候去看那時候那風雲那麼大說有這麼可靠這麼無聊的一個農業部居然會這種要求\n\n04:11.806 --> 04:38.232\n用空拍機用搖桿這個是很現代化的東西所以不要再去做那些無聊違反科學的空拍機現在那麼多無聯機那麼多只要去企業全品項全方位剛剛你講的嘛我們要以百姓為優先嘛我就一直在講農業部最大存在的價值就是照顧這三百萬農漁牧的\n\n04:41.220 --> 05:01.592\n我們的人民我們的國民農漁牧三百萬人所以關稅應用特別都很高興到現在不知道有沒有透明都搞不清楚所以這個一定要院長一定要好好的把持這些人就是我們的國民我們最疼惜的好不好\n\n05:03.173 --> 05:22.172\n我跟委員報告一下就是現在目前的勘災的部分在路上就是用勘災APP照相以後公所就會認定那這個部分大概大部分的很多公所都已經確認可以用這個了那您至於說海上的部分我們也寫到公所是可以必要的時候我們用空拍機去直接去拍\n\n05:22.833 --> 05:46.544\n然後如果要出去看的時候一定要風平浪靜這個我想我們也會在公所會確認那後續我們會把海上的這些空拍的系統直接納到一個現勘的一個作業規範裡面好謝謝部長很辛苦表現非常好那剛剛有好幾個委員也在講阿你那波族的金魚農損的金額部長院長我還要跟你講一件\n\n05:47.932 --> 05:55.145\n你用身份的20%來補助然後你的榮損的金額就是用那60%\n\n05:56.779 --> 06:24.203\n所以你每次公佈的農損的金額都是很少那這樣是顯示什麼顯示說災害很輕還是你在蒙蔽什麼院長這種計算方式是不是要改這個沒有人看的原因這個計算的標準應該是行之多年一直沒有檢討那農業部應該來檢討去面對這樣極端氣候全面檢討是必要的\n\n06:24.563 --> 06:50.481\n對啦這個用這種農事我每次都看不下去誰想生死五十年你跟我說生死五十千萬笑死人了對不對我們會衡量現在整個財政的結構對盡量來幫助農漁民你用你的身份的資格來補助我上次講了嘛育兒包一分多如果能收成能收二三十萬結果你一分多補助六千八千\n\n06:52.405 --> 07:12.817\n可能補償的方式沒有辦法達到市價或是實際價錢能夠再起這個做跟做的這個作用幫他能夠重新再能夠起來這個才是我們的作用有一點點感而且一塊農地一年才補助一次喔\n\n07:15.548 --> 07:41.757\n所以這個金額要提高啦不是我講的剛才古來的委員也講啊國國也講啊頂頂啊所以這要檢討啦我們請農業部來檢討讓他能夠重新復耕能力這樣的方式來做檢討好那再來我再跟你講東港的這印度你今天要給我答應我今天要再出來當天跟你喝水啊就每天如果大大流\n\n07:43.220 --> 08:09.370\n上潮、大潮就陰當天接下來有一個成功搜水站有一個光屋搜水站那是在馬英九時代、阿扁時代就起了現在這邊只剩東港大排還有有無溪、小甲的地方如果大潮開,那裡就有水災了那水災面,我去廢坑久了幾年了就好像差在京府,暗瓶有多少錢\n\n08:10.700 --> 08:28.539\n對把他關心一下把他答應一下這齁這是笑死人了一個又贏兩次了還要放開來製作的提升兩邊的戶題是一個方式或是如果有抽水站抽水機加大他抽派的這個作品沒錯做個抽水站在那邊就比較\n\n08:30.143 --> 08:58.206\n假來那兩咖案就解決了這如果做了演完一四人都感謝你經濟部水利署去現場了解我們能夠緊急的或是優先來處理我們來納入現場不然的話你看這個每一個也演兩次來下一張我們來講這個就是損害的部分我不用在最初剛剛已經有講了溫室的東西啦我這一次發現屏東的韌性比較強\n\n08:59.400 --> 09:23.946\n屏東一天到晚外國起床所以這間林佳嵐真的是百年沒有颱風直撲陳部長常常去我常常去屏東勘災所以大家的記憶很重所以我這次看台南那邊的災害真的是很大很突然所以一定要寬烈那屏東台東比照嘛好下一張\n\n09:27.000 --> 09:36.483\n我現在再來就是跟環境部有關我們環境部處理這一個嘉義那個我們有去現勘我們有去勘這是當局加當的外海\n\n09:48.107 --> 10:16.841\n那個太陽能板現在知道那個公司是台灣的公司標的那個泰國的公司我不知道啦這如果是違法就要板啦你給他發三百萬三百萬三百萬給他發三百萬他也不給你信到啊你說什麼要請去廟裡請去哪裡要去分解就現場都給你搞啦就給你分解啦部長院長這你看啊你怎麼看下去\n\n10:17.583 --> 10:44.418\n報告委員元玉科技的公司他已經被我們罰到900萬了他也提出一個清理的計畫書當然我們還是給他時間因為他有給我們一個新的承諾書是9月5號以前在這個池現在池的上面已經沒有了自動池上面沒有了是他放在旁邊但是我們認為他還是違反廢清法而且我們還是給他一點點時間他們提出來希望9月5號以前我們現在正在審他的這個計畫\n\n10:45.459 --> 11:12.118\n那如果他真的是非常糟糕的話那我已經公開說了我會接手而且代位求償然後給他最重的處罰甚至他以後都沒有辦法營運所以這個他要負起責任的那另外一個剛剛委員說的是那個屏東的三寶那這個已經被我們退回去了那希望他們再補正因為這邊算是什麼優良的農地他們必須考量限地的一個狀況所以我們其實環境部已經退回去了\n\n11:12.972 --> 11:40.621\n院長院長我看喔家裡那個光電板那個可能是擺爛啊不然放到桌子裡啦到樓北還是政府要去檢查那個環境部是強力的要求他我們到現場去看我也強力的要求他那都那三館是誰人的是公司都炒不夠亂七八糟相同地區啊相同地區有其他的我們本土的廠商跟我們配合的意願結果都很好就這一家喔他這個這個態度上我覺得大有問題那\n\n11:41.981 --> 12:05.078\n環境部已經連續開發而且有更強硬的手段高委員我們台灣壞了三十幾個地方啦大的三十幾個地方那其他都清完了只剩下這個地方就是新莊志鴻池好我們看那個老批農場這個剛剛部長有講了我非常欽佩你把這個三家公司院長這就是屏東內部的老批農場這裡有八百公頃\n\n12:11.406 --> 12:24.012\n平地茶有坡度的茶現在整個都要弄光電盤三家公司那也是水土保護區什麼區什麼區都有然後我們的環境部把它退回\n\n12:26.113 --> 12:53.476\n我覺得很有勇氣不過我看他們會再檢討重來我們不要再破壞我們的環境了好不好再搞一搞又變成土石油了不會我已經公開宣布地方有重大疑慮的破壞生態的我們的疑慮不應該核准好院長的承諾好這個是更誇張的我們的台東沿岸要踩50多公里風車\n\n12:55.154 --> 13:15.285\n現在要去屏東的榜山還有獅子鄉要再採11基然後東海岸反風車大聯盟已經成立我們屏東這裡我們加入了叫做東海岸南迴恆春半島反風車大聯盟這就是預計在榜山要採的\n\n13:19.593 --> 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是怎樣你敢知道"},{"start":903.677,"end":913.325,"text":"我最近幾次到各縣市看災我都特別要求我們不要那個儀式型的簡報講話等等我只要聽聽現場的狀況所以我們都沒有公開的儀式也不會主動的通知那這一點"},{"start":942.447,"end":942.467,"text":"好,謝謝"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":260,"blocks":[["蘇委員清泉：（15時23分）謝謝主席，我請卓院長、農業部陳部長還有環境部彭部長。"],["主席：麻煩再請卓院長、農業部陳部長和環境部彭部長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：蘇委員好。"],["蘇委員清泉：院長辛苦了。"],["卓院長榮泰：大家辛苦，謝謝。"],["蘇委員清泉：站整天不簡單。我們今天講的這個特別條例是丹娜絲颱風、七二八豪雨，緊接著就是楊柳颱風，楊柳颱風在臺東、屏東造成很大的傷害，我去現場看，事實上我也分不清這是新傷還是舊傷。這個是在來義看到的，那個野溪都壞掉了，淹得一塌糊塗，連橋都斷了，我就問那個鄉長，這是新傷還是舊傷？他說不知道，分不清了。所以我跟院長這邊確認，丹娜絲颱風加上七二八豪雨，因為豪雨在屏東、原鄉那邊6天的雨量幾乎是兩千八百公釐以上，已經跟莫拉克颱風差不多，甚至於超過。楊柳颱風的風速有14、15級，所以在屏東、臺東也應該要檢討一下，因為災害現在也分不清了。院長，這樣可以嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：是，這次的特別預算名稱縱然叫做中央政府「丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建」，我們知道七二八之後是連續性豪雨，直到楊柳颱風來，這是一個連貫性的氣候變遷。日前我到南部去的時候，我們已經正式公布，楊柳颱風所受的災害，因為也是在七二八之後的連續豪雨，應該歸納成整個適用範圍……"],["蘇委員清泉：謝謝院長。第二個問題，這次楊柳颱風在屏東，霧臺、三地門大社那邊，有5間房子，16戶人家的房子，土都崩下來了，現在那裡他們要求，以前禮納里，就是八八風災的時候，永久屋沒有下來、也沒有切結，像這一些是不是可以從寬處理，院長可以考慮嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：實際的狀況是不是請屏東縣政府跟我們前進指揮所辦公室一起來研究？我們希望用更簡便的方法從優、從寬認定。"],["蘇委員清泉：好，因為對他們來講是一輩子的大事，對我們來講可能是小事。上次我在關心的就是從寬認定，剛剛有好幾位委員也一樣、大家都很關心，我發現這個災害，不管哪一個政黨都非常關心，而且都以百姓、人民為出發點，真的是很溫暖！我這裡也要跟……"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝大院非常快的速度通過了特別條例，以及今天來審查特別預算，謝謝。"],["蘇委員清泉：再來就是農損從寬認定，上次我提的，就像嘉義，蚵棚一坪補助500元，部長，對不對？對吧！"],["陳部長駿季：對。"],["蘇委員清泉：叫鄉公所的人要坐「牌仔車」去現場照相，去看的時候，風浪那麼大，說是哪有這麼苛刻、無聊，一個農業部居然會做這種要求！用空拍機、用搖桿，這是很現代化的東西。所以不要再去做那些，很無聊、違反科學，現在空拍機、無人機那麼多，直接去拍一拍，全品項、全方位，剛剛你講的，要以百姓為優先嘛！我就一直在講，農業部存在的最大價值就是照顧這300萬農漁牧的人民、國民，農漁牧有300萬人！關稅會不會影響到，也都很煩惱，到現在也不知道、也不透明，都搞不清楚！所以院長，一定要好好地把持住，這些人就是我們的國民、我們最疼惜的，好不好？"],["陳部長駿季：我跟委員報告一下，目前勘災的部分，在路上就是用勘災app，照相以後公所就會認定，大部分、很多的公所都已經確認可以用這個了。至於海上部分，我們也協調公所，是不是必要時我們用空拍機直接去拍，如果要出去看一定是在風平浪靜的時候，這個我們在公所也會確認，後續我們會把海上這些空拍系統直接納到現勘的一個作業規範裡面。"],["蘇委員清泉：好，謝謝部長，很辛苦，表現得非常好。","剛剛有好幾個委員也在講，你補助的金額、農損的金額，院長，我要再跟你說一遍，你用成本的20%來補助，然後農損的金額就是用那20%！實際上成本就要再多5倍了，所以你每次公布的農損金額都很少，這樣是顯示什麼？顯示災害很輕，還是你在蒙蔽什麼？院長，這種的計算方式是不是要改？這個沒有人看得下去。"],["卓院長榮泰：計算的標準應該是行之多年，一直沒有檢討，那農業部應該來檢討，尤其面對極端氣候，全面檢討是必要的。"],["蘇委員清泉：對啦，用這種方式計算農損，我們實在看不下去，實際上損失50億，你跟我說損失五、六千萬，笑死人了！對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：我們會衡量現在整個財政的結構，儘量來幫助農、漁民，但是……"],["蘇委員清泉：你用成本的20%來補助，我上次講了，玉荷包一分地可以收成二、三十萬，結果你一分地補助六千、八千。"],["卓院長榮泰：可能補償的方式沒有辦法達到市價或實際上的價錢，我們是讓它能夠再起耕作的作用，幫它能夠重新再起來，這個才是我們的作用。"],["蘇委員清泉：你要讓農民有一點點感覺嘛，而且一塊農地一年才補助一次喔，第二次就沒有了，所以這個金額要提高，不是我講的，剛才好幾位委員都這樣講，郭國文委員也講，所以這要檢討。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們請農業部來檢討，讓它能夠重新復耕，用這樣的方式來檢討。"],["蘇委員清泉：再來，我再跟你講我們東港的情形，院長，你今天要答應我啦，我今天早上出來，東港又在淹水了，每次如果大潮就淹，東港市區有一個成功抽水站，有一個光復抽水站，那是在馬英九時代、在阿扁時代就蓋的，現在這邊只剩東港大排還有牛埔溪交會的那個地方，如果大潮起來應該要做水閘門，那個水閘門我去會勘好幾次了，就只差經費，也沒有多少錢，請院長關心一下，答應我，這笑死人了！一個月淹兩次，如果颱風又來……"],["卓院長榮泰：適度提升兩邊的護堤是一個方式，或是如果有抽水站、抽水機，加大它抽水的……"],["蘇委員清泉：沒錯，做個抽水站在那邊，就比照市區那兩個，這樣就解決了。這如果做下去，我們一輩子都感謝你。"],["卓院長榮泰：我會請經濟部水利署去現場了解，如果能夠緊急的或優先來處理，我們來納入檢討。"],["蘇委員清泉：對，不然的話，你看每一個月淹兩次。","損害的部分，我不用再贅述，剛剛已經有講了。關於溫室的東西，我這一次發現屏東的韌性比較強，屏東一天到晚被吹得歪七扭八，這次雲嘉南百年沒有颱風直撲，陳部長和我常常去屏東勘災，大家的韌性都變得比較強，所以我這次看臺南那邊的災害，真的是很大、很突然，所以一定要寬列，屏東、臺東比照。","下一張，再來就是跟環境部有關的，部長，你也很認真啦，我們環境部處理嘉義魚塭的太陽能板，我們有去現勘，這是東港、佳冬的外海，那個太陽能板，現在知道是臺灣的公司標一標再移轉給泰國的公司，真的還是假的我不知道啦，但這如果違法就要辦啦，你罰它300萬，罰3次，它也不吃你這一套啊！你說什麼要拆去苗栗還是哪裡分解，它在現場就給你分解啦！部長、院長，你們怎樣看？你們看得下去嗎？"],["彭部長啓明：報告委員，元昱科技公司已經被我們罰到900萬了，它也提出了一個清理計畫書，當然我們還是給它時間，因為它有給我們一個新的承諾數字，9月5號以前。現在滯洪池上面已經沒有了，它是放在旁邊，但是我們認為它還是違反廢清法，我們還是給它一點點時間，那他們提出來希望9月5號以前，我們現在正在審這個計畫，如果它真的是非常糟糕的話，我已經公開說了，我會接手，而且代位求償，然後給它最重的處罰，甚至它以後都沒有辦法營運，所以這個它要負起責任的啦。","另外一個剛剛委員說的是屏東的寶晶，這個已經被我們退回去了，希望他們再補正，因為當地算是優良的農地，他們必須考量現地的狀況，所以我們環境部已經退回去了。"],["蘇委員清泉：院長，我看嘉義那個光電板可能是擺爛，不然就是放著讓它倒，到最後還是政府要去擦屁股。"],["卓院長榮泰：環境部是強力的要求它，我們到現場去看，我也強力的要求它。"],["蘇委員清泉：產權是誰的？還是公司都插暗股，亂七八糟，要叫檢調下去查啦！"],["卓院長榮泰：相同地區有其他本土的廠商跟我們配合的意願，結果都很好，就這一家，它這個態度上，我覺得大有問題，環境部已經連續開罰，而且有更強硬的手段。"],["蘇委員清泉：好。"],["彭部長啓明：報告委員，我們臺灣壞了三十幾個地方，大的有三十幾個地方，其他都清完了，只剩下這個地方，就是新庄滯洪池。"],["蘇委員清泉：好，我們看老埤農場，這個剛剛部長有講了，我非常欽佩，你把這三家公司都退回了，院長，這就是屏東內埔的老埤農場，這裡有差不多800公頃都在種茶，種平地茶、有坡度的茶，現在整個都要弄光電板，有三家公司，也是水土保護區，什麼區都有啦，而我們的環境部把它退回了，我覺得很有勇氣，不過我看他們會再捲土重來，我們不要再破壞我們的環境了，好不好？再搞一搞又變成土石流了。"],["卓院長榮泰：不會，我已經公開宣布，地方有重大疑慮的、破壞生態的，我們都一律不應該核准。"],["蘇委員清泉：好，院長的承諾。","這個是更誇張的，我們的臺東沿岸要設置五十幾支風車，現在要再去屏東的枋山還有獅子鄉再放11支，東海岸反風車大聯盟已經成立，而我們屏東這裡，我們也加入了，叫做東海岸南迴恆春半島反風車大聯盟，這就是預計在枋山那裡要設置的。以2012年來看，一個風車造價是1.2億、1.3億，現在可能搞不好兩億都要了，以前海上的風車一支要8億，現在可能要十幾億，所以這個成本很高，賣給台電賣到6塊、7塊、8塊，1.1塊錢的核能你不用，你去用七、八塊錢的，然後虧損一大堆。這個都是要新蓋的，一支風車一年的發電量最多五、六百萬度而已，然後還有低頻噪音的問題，所以他們現在成立反對大聯盟，我屏東也加入，他們要組團來環境部、來經濟部抗爭，我說：我支持你們。臺東的也要加入，這不要再搞了啦！花東那邊大颱風來都是首當其衝，16級、17級。院長，前兩天蘭嶼17級爆表，風車擋得住嗎？風機葉片如果斷掉呢？"],["彭部長啓明：報告委員，我其實已經在臺東有公開說對於這樣的，我們是不鼓勵也不支持，現在是它想要開發，但是也報告委員，我們在過去這幾個月，我們已經把幾個類似這樣的案例全部擋掉了、全部退回了，所以請委員放心。"],["蘇委員清泉：好，因為我剩下30秒。院長，我要跟你說，你最近去屏東，我都沒出席，我都不太想去，為什麼你知道嗎？要通知、不通知，隨便你們，有人要通知就通知，不要通知就不要通知。第二，去到現場，我們好像透明人一樣，我們在野黨的委員好像透明人一樣，感覺很差喔！"],["卓院長榮泰：委員，抱歉！我最近幾次到各縣市勘災，我都特別要求，我們不要那個儀式型的簡報、講話等等，我只要聽聽現場的狀況，所以我們都沒有公開的儀式，也不會主動的通知，這一點請委員能夠體諒，對大家都一樣，可能有委員會自己來，我們沒有特別通知，但以後我們再改進，是不是不一定都用這種方式。"],["蘇委員清泉：好。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝蘇清泉委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、各部會首長的備詢，謝謝。","接下來請邱議瑩委員質詢，王鴻薇委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":276,"meet_id":"院會-11-3-26","speakers":["韓國瑜","林俊憲","郭國文","蘇清泉","邱議瑩","王鴻薇","陳冠廷","楊瓊瓔","林憶君","王育敏","何欣純","徐巧芯"],"page_start":216,"meetingDate":["2025-08-26"],"gazette_id":"1147401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147401_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期第26次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、行政院公共工程委員會主任委員及相關部會首長列席報告\n「中央政府丹娜絲颱風及七二八豪雨災後復原重建特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147401_00005"}}}