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00:03:08,139\n是所以我在第一時間因為當時候院長說的這個加碼是針對南部縣市我怕院長忘了台中的淹水情況也很嚴重所以我第一時間也趕快行文提醒我們行政院那也謝謝院長跟我們經濟部\n\n9\n00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:38,056\n在第一時間就把台中只要有淹水的情形經過市政府的認定我們行政院也同樣加碼對不對院長是的那我希望呢呈報上來的我們要趕快核定因為呢欠災民的錢不要拖啦要趕啦這第一個呈報的過程也請地方政府能夠把數據能夠出來我們才能夠核算應該是這樣講院長我們第一個要公開透明我們的效率\n\n10\n00:03:39,991 --> 00:04:06,352\n地方政府到底是多久的時間匯集資料那多久的時間送到我們中央我們在同步的縣市政府在做補助的時候我們收到他呈報上來的資料我們如何在最快的速度能夠把加碼的救助金發放出去我覺得這是人民對政府的信任的第一步所以這個效率很重要接著我認為\n\n11\n00:04:07,933 --> 00:04:34,534\n除了給現金給救助金之外最重要的就是要解決問題嘛對不對我這個陰陰陰我沒希望後一天再落大我家又陰水所以我以物風物福為例我剛剛的第一張照片它半夜水淹上來了之後結果事後我們去調查原因它是我們的農水設施做得不夠好因為水閘門關不起來\n\n12\n00:04:38,376 --> 00:04:50,581\n他同時有灌溉溝渠那旁邊就是增淘就是住宅區結果因為旁邊的灌溉溝渠的水閘門現在是老舊的手動式的水閘門\n\n13\n00:04:52,398 --> 00:05:16,560\n因為老舊卡住關不起來所以造成那整個增淘陰水那我覺得這個就是事後檢討我們發現的問題就是要解決問題所以我當下在會看的時候我第一個要求要檢討現行的SOP什麼SOP原來我們農業部的農水署要求各水利單位\n\n14\n00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:32,297\n只有在地方政府宣布開設這個一級二級的災防應變中心之後他們才會跟著啟動SOP來應變結果那一天淹大水的時候台中市政府還沒有宣布\n\n15\n00:05:35,119 --> 00:05:57,111\n這個災變中心而且當時候台中市長人在國外沒人主持大局所以一拖就拖過了所以沒有人發現這個問題結果我們農水署的相關同仁們就被動的等著地方政府來宣布有沒有成立應變中心就錯過了黃金時間所以第一個我要求要檢討現行的SOP\n\n16\n00:05:58,712 --> 00:06:20,733\n不一定要等只要是發生問題了我覺得就應該要及時的因應所以院長是你同意吧部長也在這裡請農水署還有水利署以後這個事情我們提早如何能夠是這個農水署跟水利單位也有關係我跟委員報告一下我們現在在修正的還有在調整的作為就是\n\n17\n00:06:21,704 --> 00:06:48,773\n在颱風任何的可能的雨害來之前就要巡一次至少那個關的部分是沒有問題的然後後續什麼時候關才會搭配著後面的這些災防的這些層級但是一定會有人他的最主要問題是沒有辦法關沒有辦法關開對所以要事前的去巡視他是不是正常這才是重點所以這個部分我已經要求農水組這邊包括他們的水利小組都要再去查一次\n\n18\n00:06:49,573 --> 00:07:18,206\n我會建議院長也在這裡我們今天要通過特別預算應該要好好的盤點因為我們現在有很多的農水利設施是比較老舊的相對的我們現在數位科技化的現在我們可以升級就要利用我們現在的特別預算好好盤點該升級就要升級該增設抽水設施就應該增設抽水設施這也就是部長你剛剛講的我們當然在事前要先去巡查\n\n19\n00:07:18,766 --> 00:07:46,546\n那巡查之後盤點了之後我們該改善就要改善該有特別預算來支應我希望大家要趕快的事先的提出我相信院長一定會支持的嘛譬如說我們現在都說智慧水閘門還有遠端的監控系統如果在這個淹水地區的一個關鍵的這個區域的話我們是不是可以來盤點跟檢討來做這個重建復建跟改進院長這不難吧\n\n20\n00:07:48,089 --> 00:08:05,757\n是我們每次到應變中心都要求抽水機要夠抽水站要能用人車物料要充足那這一個預算裡面我們也編列了大型移動性的抽水機有一億元另外有防水板的相關經費都會落實在這一次預算當中的結構裡面\n\n21\n00:08:06,457 --> 00:08:35,681\n所以我希望部長那院長剛剛有指示我覺得這個是好事也是應該要做的事對人民生活影響很重要的事那我覺得應該要做接著除了淹水的地區我們要發救助金我們要解決問題我們台中有大片的山坡地山坡地的水保是最重要的我在第一時間跑了霧峰北屯還有太平\n\n22\n00:08:36,776 --> 00:08:37,261\n你會看到\n\n23\n00:08:39,932 --> 00:09:07,512\n山邊的農民的土石流就進了他的房子然後呢整個道路是中斷的完全不能通行整個都東山朝山樓上去我們在那幾天台中的大好雨包括霧峰新社潭子豐原東勢北屯太平等地區土石災害農路攤房目前在所謂的75件是地方政府報上來的我相信不止\n\n24\n00:09:08,032 --> 00:09:35,022\n那我也希望在這一次特別預算裡面我們行政院不管是經濟部跟農業部能夠大力的支持協助地方政府來重建不管是農路也好水土保持工程也好或者是相關的道路橋樑這個院長這本來就是我們應該做的對不對所以我們需要特別預算接著我來給你看一個數字院長\n\n25\n00:09:36,206 --> 00:09:50,585\n台中是一個六都的都會區大家會想說怎麼農產的災損我們是最多其實台中的物產風老農業地區也很多我們的農作物相對的也非常多元這個\n\n26\n00:09:52,708 --> 00:10:08,448\n表格計算表格是我們的行政單位給我的那就是0728那7月底的那幾天的豪雨造成了農業的災損的損失的金額統計表我看一下第一名叫屏東縣第二名就叫台中市\n\n27\n00:10:10,385 --> 00:10:33,565\n所以我也希望扶植農民讓農產業能夠復甦摘損能夠得到政府的協助補助讓我們的農民生活可以早日恢復正常而且他才有能力能量在下一次面對下一個年頭的農作或者是下一次的災害我相信災害\n\n28\n00:10:34,666 --> 00:11:02,128\n希望在政府的協助之下不要再多了農民是看天吃飯但是我們希望老天爺能夠天佑臺灣希望我們的政府要做的是什麼在這樣的極端氣候之下災防韌性還有相關的災防建設我們能夠做得到位跟農民一起來抵抗垮梯吃飯這事宜院長這是我們要跟農民站在一起的好不好\n\n29\n00:11:02,748 --> 00:11:29,296\n所以呢在這個六度裡面台中的農產損失是超過一億也許你們說超過一億對一個直轄市來說看起來不多但是呢像我剛剛講從淹水到水土保持到農路到這個農民的災損我想方方面面還有很多其實不只這一億其實不只是這些錢更多的是需要我們政府長期的支持啦院長對不對\n\n30\n00:11:30,816 --> 00:11:48,642\n我們就是不管是從產業從農業這個各方面我們除了原來的計畫之外不夠的部分我們就是用這樣的方式來把它補充那未來包括治水我們還有更多的四年的計畫要做長期支持對政府來講我們就是把政策延續下去\n\n31\n00:11:49,793 --> 00:12:05,701\n對不起院長你剛剛有回答其他委員因為有其他委員在指引過去我們的治水計畫還有治水預算花了那麼多好像沒什麼成效可是院長事實上我們從長遠的角度來看的話跟專業的角度來看的話是有效的\n\n32\n00:12:06,181 --> 00:12:27,790\n是有效的只是我們的極端氣候真的變化的太超乎我們人類所及應該是這樣子講那它變化的速度太快所以造成我們這個治水的一個功效好像讓人覺得打了折扣可是以我在我的選區台中市來看台中市在過去這幾年\n\n33\n00:12:28,570 --> 00:12:44,759\n我們中央支持之下整治了很多的河川還有下水道系統我也爭取在行政院的支持之下也建置了很多那所以相對的我們過去易淹水的地區像剛剛院長回答的面積越來越縮小\n\n34\n00:12:45,379 --> 00:13:10,492\n那退水的這個時間越來越縮短但是我們仍然希望好還要更好所以剛剛院長講到一句話長期的預算的支持治水不管是在農業或者經濟部或者是內政部相關各部會只要是對地方治水有功效的我們都應該要全力的來支持所以我在最後的結語\n\n35\n00:13:11,954 --> 00:13:15,487\n會再問一下我們這個特別預算我要問一下這個院長\n\n36\n00:13:17,056 --> 00:13:45,721\n因為在第二條裡面有講這個台中市雖然有在我們的這個立法說明裡面是一個災區但是範圍是由行政院公告那我剛剛聽到我們這一次特別預算的主責單位叫做公共工程委員會所以呢我們的這個災區的一個範圍公告是行政院公共工程委員會來勘查之後來認定公告院長對不對那請問依照實際的自災情形\n\n37\n00:13:47,403 --> 00:14:01,124\n請問我們這個特別預算通過之後何時公告我認為很快就會依照實際自災情形來公告但大部分的區域都很清楚了如果還有一些不是整個\n\n38\n00:14:02,486 --> 00:14:16,875\n整個直轄市可能某些區域裡面特別嚴重事態情形工程會就有處理這次在特別條例的協調當中就是院長在組織協調當中有附帶決議已經包括台中了\n\n39\n00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:34,008\n台中全市各縣市政府他必須有一個申報我們昨天才開會討論關於災區的審查的標準所以將來會設到工程會然後會召開會議\n\n40\n00:14:36,331 --> 00:14:58,952\n所以主委因為你剛剛講的這些要召開會議然後審查標準要制定那這些呢都需要時間那我只希望說能夠要快要有效率因為我想特別預算草野都支持我們應該會最快的速度來通過那我們希望同時因為那個標準並沒有設定的很嚴格沒有設定很嚴格但是還是要你們審慎對不對\n\n41\n00:15:01,094 --> 00:15:27,191\n那審任跟公告我希望能夠用最快的時間最有效率的方式趕快好不好主委這個院長也有答應那我剛剛也跟院長提到有很多的事情是要長期的我們今天特別預算通過了雖然是針對的這些風災雨災這個天災但是我知道現在我們政府手上四大預算案就是要顧民生要拚經濟所以拜託院長我們一起加油\n\n42\n00:15:29,353 --> 00:15:30,442\n好謝謝何欣淳委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n423\t22641\t僑新委員請準備好 謝謝院長那我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢等一下再請相關部會的首長請卓院長二委員好\n23203\t46520\t院長辛苦了 還是加油我相信不分草野大家都希望台灣更好所以今天我們面對這個特別預算我們希望能夠第一個盡快通過第二個我們現在錢花在刀口上花在真正能夠讓人民有感的地方幫助更多的受災的民眾我想7月的 雖然今天\n47460\t69792\t特別預算裡面大家談的幾乎都是南部地區但是我跟院長報告7月相關的風災雨災在台中也是一個超級大好雨而且是創下70年來同期最多的雨量我想極端氣候大家都談很多但是如何能夠強化災防的韌性\n71513\t100438\t以及讓我們所有的人民能夠安居樂業我想這個是我們政府責無旁貸大家要一起努力的那我在第一頁有一個步風五福社區我為什麼會特別請院長感受一下這個暗示落這麼大落到陰水所以人都睡不著都要起來順大家都會歡樂這個其實就是大多數遇到天災風災雨災\n101238\t127537\t大部分受灾户受灾的人民他的第一时间的心情我想绝对是不美丽而且绝对是很脆弱绝对需要我们政府跟所有相关的单位能够跟他们同理站在第一线上能够协助他们而且要快这也就是为什么我们今天这个特别预算我刚刚一开始说我们希望能够快速通过其实不是只有物丰物福\n129298\t149448\t7月底從28 29 30 31大台中大大小小的災情很多淹水的情況也很多我另外在有一面有一個照片是在烏日的環河路那個淹水這不僅僅是人行走困難那裡也是一個交通要道連汽車機車都會掉車\n153105\t169389\t淹水的問題到底在哪裡其實我覺得第一個我要先謝謝院長因為院長在第一時間有說宣布只要是有淹水縣市政府認定超過50公分除了縣市政府既有的一個救助金之外我們行政院加碼兩萬對不對院長\n172062\t188139\t是 所以我在第一時間因為當時候院長說的這個加碼是針對南部縣市我怕院長忘了台中的淹水情況也很嚴重所以我第一時間也趕快行文提醒我們行政院那也謝謝院長跟我們經濟部\n189400\t218056\t在第一時間就把台中只要有淹水的情形經過市政府的認定我們行政院也同樣加碼 對不對 院長是的那我希望呢 呈報上來的我們要趕快核定因為呢欠災民的錢不要拖啦 要趕啦 這第一個呈報的過程也請地方政府能夠把數據能夠出來我們才能夠核算應該是這樣講 院長我們第一個要公開透明我們的效率\n219991\t246352\t地方政府到底是多久的時間匯集資料那多久的時間送到我們中央我們在同步的縣市政府在做補助的時候我們收到他呈報上來的資料我們如何在最快的速度能夠把加碼的救助金發放出去我覺得這是人民對政府的信任的第一步所以這個效率很重要接著我認為\n247933\t274534\t除了給現金給救助金之外最重要的就是要解決問題嘛對不對我這個陰陰陰我沒希望後一天再落大我家又陰水所以我以物風物福為例我剛剛的第一張照片它半夜水淹上來了之後結果事後我們去調查原因它是我們的農水設施做得不夠好因為水閘門關不起來\n278376\t290581\t他同時有灌溉溝渠那旁邊就是增淘就是住宅區結果因為旁邊的灌溉溝渠的水閘門現在是老舊的手動式的水閘門\n292398\t316560\t因為老舊卡住關不起來所以造成那整個增淘陰水那我覺得這個就是事後檢討我們發現的問題就是要解決問題所以我當下在會看的時候我第一個要求要檢討現行的SOP什麼SOP原來我們農業部的農水署要求各水利單位\n317120\t332297\t只有在地方政府宣布開設這個一級二級的災防應變中心之後他們才會跟著啟動SOP來應變結果那一天淹大水的時候台中市政府還沒有宣布\n335119\t357111\t這個災變中心而且當時候台中市長人在國外沒人主持大局所以一拖就拖過了所以沒有人發現這個問題結果我們農水署的相關同仁們就被動的等著地方政府來宣布有沒有成立應變中心就錯過了黃金時間所以第一個我要求要檢討現行的SOP\n358712\t380733\t不一定要等只要是發生問題了我覺得就應該要及時的因應所以院長是你同意吧部長也在這裡請農水署還有水利署以後這個事情我們提早如何能夠是 這個農水署跟水利單位也有關係我跟委員報告一下我們現在在修正的還有在調整的作為就是\n381704\t408773\t在颱風任何的可能的雨害來之前就要巡一次至少那個關的部分是沒有問題的然後後續什麼時候關才會搭配著後面的這些災防的這些層級但是一定會有人他的最主要問題是沒有辦法關沒有辦法關開對所以要事前的去巡視他是不是正常這才是重點所以這個部分我已經要求農水組這邊包括他們的水利小組都要再去查一次\n409573\t438206\t我會建議院長也在這裡我們今天要通過特別預算應該要好好的盤點因為我們現在有很多的農水利設施是比較老舊的相對的我們現在數位科技化的現在我們可以升級就要利用我們現在的特別預算好好盤點該升級就要升級該增設抽水設施就應該增設抽水設施這也就是部長你剛剛講的我們當然在事前要先去巡查\n438766\t466546\t那巡查之後盤點了之後我們該改善就要改善該有特別預算來支應我希望大家要趕快的事先的提出我相信院長一定會支持的嘛譬如說我們現在都說智慧水閘門還有遠端的監控系統如果在這個淹水地區的一個關鍵的這個區域的話我們是不是可以來盤點跟檢討來做這個重建復建跟改進院長這不難吧\n468089\t485757\t是 我們每次到應變中心都要求抽水機要夠 抽水站要能用人車物料要充足那這一個預算裡面我們也編列了大型移動性的抽水機有一億元另外有防水板的相關經費都會落實在這一次預算當中的結構裡面\n486457\t515681\t所以我希望部長那院長剛剛有指示我覺得這個是好事也是應該要做的事對人民生活影響很重要的事那我覺得應該要做接著除了淹水的地區我們要發救助金我們要解決問題我們台中有大片的山坡地山坡地的水保是最重要的我在第一時間跑了霧峰北屯還有太平\n516776\t517261\t你會看到\n519932\t547512\t山邊的農民的土石流就進了他的房子然後呢 整個道路是中斷的完全不能通行 整個都東山 朝山 樓上去我們在那幾天 台中的大好雨包括霧峰 新社 潭子 豐原 東勢 北屯 太平等地區土石災害 農路攤房目前在所謂的75件是地方政府報上來的我相信不止\n548032\t575022\t那我也希望在這一次特別預算裡面我們行政院不管是經濟部跟農業部能夠大力的支持協助地方政府來重建不管是農路也好水土保持工程也好或者是相關的道路橋樑這個院長這本來就是我們應該做的對不對所以我們需要特別預算接著我來給你看一個數字院長\n576206\t590585\t台中是一個六都的都會區大家會想說怎麼農產的災損我們是最多其實台中的物產風老農業地區也很多我們的農作物相對的也非常多元這個\n592708\t608448\t表格計算表格是我們的行政單位給我的那就是0728那7月底的那幾天的豪雨造成了農業的災損的損失的金額統計表我看一下第一名叫屏東縣第二名就叫台中市\n610385\t633565\t所以我也希望扶植農民讓農產業能夠復甦摘損能夠得到政府的協助補助讓我們的農民生活可以早日恢復正常而且他才有能力能量在下一次面對下一個年頭的農作或者是下一次的災害我相信災害\n634666\t662128\t希望在政府的協助之下不要再多了農民是看天吃飯但是我們希望老天爺能夠天佑臺灣希望我們的政府要做的是什麼在這樣的極端氣候之下災防韌性還有相關的災防建設我們能夠做得到位跟農民一起來抵抗垮梯吃飯這事宜院長這是我們要跟農民站在一起的好不好\n662748\t689296\t所以呢在這個六度裡面台中的農產損失是超過一億也許你們說超過一億對一個直轄市來說看起來不多但是呢像我剛剛講從淹水到水土保持到農路到這個農民的災損我想方方面面還有很多其實不只這一億其實不只是這些錢更多的是需要我們政府長期的支持啦院長對不對\n690816\t708642\t我們就是不管是從產業從農業這個各方面我們除了原來的計畫之外不夠的部分我們就是用這樣的方式來把它補充那未來包括治水我們還有更多的四年的計畫要做長期支持對政府來講我們就是把政策延續下去\n709793\t725701\t對不起院長你剛剛有回答其他委員因為有其他委員在指引過去我們的治水計畫還有治水預算花了那麼多好像沒什麼成效可是院長事實上我們從長遠的角度來看的話跟專業的角度來看的話是有效的\n726181\t747790\t是有效的只是我們的極端氣候真的變化的太超乎我們人類所及應該是這樣子講那它變化的速度太快所以造成我們這個治水的一個功效好像讓人覺得打了折扣可是以我在我的選區台中市來看台中市在過去這幾年\n748570\t764759\t我們中央支持之下整治了很多的河川還有下水道系統我也爭取在行政院的支持之下也建置了很多那所以相對的我們過去易淹水的地區像剛剛院長回答的面積越來越縮小\n765379\t790492\t那退水的這個時間越來越縮短但是我們仍然希望好還要更好所以剛剛院長講到一句話長期的預算的支持治水不管是在農業或者經濟部或者是內政部相關各部會只要是對地方治水有功效的我們都應該要全力的來支持所以我在最後的結語\n791954\t795487\t會再問一下我們這個特別預算我要問一下這個院長\n797056\t825721\t因為在第二條裡面有講這個台中市雖然有在我們的這個立法說明裡面是一個災區但是範圍是由行政院公告那我剛剛聽到我們這一次特別預算的主責單位叫做公共工程委員會所以呢我們的這個災區的一個範圍公告是行政院公共工程委員會來勘查之後來認定公告院長對不對那請問依照實際的自災情形\n827403\t841124\t請問我們這個特別預算通過之後何時公告我認為很快就會依照實際自災情形來公告但大部分的區域都很清楚了如果還有一些不是整個\n842486\t856875\t整個直轄市可能某些區域裡面特別嚴重事態情形工程會就有處理這次在特別條例的協調當中就是院長在組織協調當中有附帶決議已經包括台中了\n857970\t874008\t台中全市各縣市政府他必須有一個申報我們昨天才開會討論關於災區的審查的標準所以將來會設到工程會然後會召開會議\n876331\t898952\t所以主委因為你剛剛講的這些要召開會議然後審查標準要制定那這些呢都需要時間那我只希望說能夠要快要有效率因為我想特別預算草野都支持我們應該會最快的速度來通過那我們希望同時因為那個標準並沒有設定的很嚴格沒有設定很嚴格但是還是要你們審慎對不對\n901094\t927191\t那審任跟公告我希望能夠用最快的時間最有效率的方式趕快好不好主委 這個院長也有答應那我剛剛也跟院長提到有很多的事情是要長期的我們今天特別預算通過了雖然是針對的這些風災雨災這個天災但是我知道現在我們政府手上四大預算案就是要顧民生 要拚經濟所以拜託院長我們一起加油\n929353\t930442\t好 謝謝何欣淳委員質詢\n","txt":"僑新委員請準備好 謝謝院長那我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢等一下再請相關部會的首長請卓院長二委員好\n院長辛苦了 還是加油我相信不分草野大家都希望台灣更好所以今天我們面對這個特別預算我們希望能夠第一個盡快通過第二個我們現在錢花在刀口上花在真正能夠讓人民有感的地方幫助更多的受災的民眾我想7月的 雖然今天\n特別預算裡面大家談的幾乎都是南部地區但是我跟院長報告7月相關的風災雨災在台中也是一個超級大好雨而且是創下70年來同期最多的雨量我想極端氣候大家都談很多但是如何能夠強化災防的韌性\n以及讓我們所有的人民能夠安居樂業我想這個是我們政府責無旁貸大家要一起努力的那我在第一頁有一個步風五福社區我為什麼會特別請院長感受一下這個暗示落這麼大落到陰水所以人都睡不著都要起來順大家都會歡樂這個其實就是大多數遇到天災風災雨災\n大部分受灾户受灾的人民他的第一时间的心情我想绝对是不美丽而且绝对是很脆弱绝对需要我们政府跟所有相关的单位能够跟他们同理站在第一线上能够协助他们而且要快这也就是为什么我们今天这个特别预算我刚刚一开始说我们希望能够快速通过其实不是只有物丰物福\n7月底從28 29 30 31大台中大大小小的災情很多淹水的情況也很多我另外在有一面有一個照片是在烏日的環河路那個淹水這不僅僅是人行走困難那裡也是一個交通要道連汽車機車都會掉車\n淹水的問題到底在哪裡其實我覺得第一個我要先謝謝院長因為院長在第一時間有說宣布只要是有淹水縣市政府認定超過50公分除了縣市政府既有的一個救助金之外我們行政院加碼兩萬對不對院長\n是 所以我在第一時間因為當時候院長說的這個加碼是針對南部縣市我怕院長忘了台中的淹水情況也很嚴重所以我第一時間也趕快行文提醒我們行政院那也謝謝院長跟我們經濟部\n在第一時間就把台中只要有淹水的情形經過市政府的認定我們行政院也同樣加碼 對不對 院長是的那我希望呢 呈報上來的我們要趕快核定因為呢欠災民的錢不要拖啦 要趕啦 這第一個呈報的過程也請地方政府能夠把數據能夠出來我們才能夠核算應該是這樣講 院長我們第一個要公開透明我們的效率\n地方政府到底是多久的時間匯集資料那多久的時間送到我們中央我們在同步的縣市政府在做補助的時候我們收到他呈報上來的資料我們如何在最快的速度能夠把加碼的救助金發放出去我覺得這是人民對政府的信任的第一步所以這個效率很重要接著我認為\n除了給現金給救助金之外最重要的就是要解決問題嘛對不對我這個陰陰陰我沒希望後一天再落大我家又陰水所以我以物風物福為例我剛剛的第一張照片它半夜水淹上來了之後結果事後我們去調查原因它是我們的農水設施做得不夠好因為水閘門關不起來\n他同時有灌溉溝渠那旁邊就是增淘就是住宅區結果因為旁邊的灌溉溝渠的水閘門現在是老舊的手動式的水閘門\n因為老舊卡住關不起來所以造成那整個增淘陰水那我覺得這個就是事後檢討我們發現的問題就是要解決問題所以我當下在會看的時候我第一個要求要檢討現行的SOP什麼SOP原來我們農業部的農水署要求各水利單位\n只有在地方政府宣布開設這個一級二級的災防應變中心之後他們才會跟著啟動SOP來應變結果那一天淹大水的時候台中市政府還沒有宣布\n這個災變中心而且當時候台中市長人在國外沒人主持大局所以一拖就拖過了所以沒有人發現這個問題結果我們農水署的相關同仁們就被動的等著地方政府來宣布有沒有成立應變中心就錯過了黃金時間所以第一個我要求要檢討現行的SOP\n不一定要等只要是發生問題了我覺得就應該要及時的因應所以院長是你同意吧部長也在這裡請農水署還有水利署以後這個事情我們提早如何能夠是 這個農水署跟水利單位也有關係我跟委員報告一下我們現在在修正的還有在調整的作為就是\n在颱風任何的可能的雨害來之前就要巡一次至少那個關的部分是沒有問題的然後後續什麼時候關才會搭配著後面的這些災防的這些層級但是一定會有人他的最主要問題是沒有辦法關沒有辦法關開對所以要事前的去巡視他是不是正常這才是重點所以這個部分我已經要求農水組這邊包括他們的水利小組都要再去查一次\n我會建議院長也在這裡我們今天要通過特別預算應該要好好的盤點因為我們現在有很多的農水利設施是比較老舊的相對的我們現在數位科技化的現在我們可以升級就要利用我們現在的特別預算好好盤點該升級就要升級該增設抽水設施就應該增設抽水設施這也就是部長你剛剛講的我們當然在事前要先去巡查\n那巡查之後盤點了之後我們該改善就要改善該有特別預算來支應我希望大家要趕快的事先的提出我相信院長一定會支持的嘛譬如說我們現在都說智慧水閘門還有遠端的監控系統如果在這個淹水地區的一個關鍵的這個區域的話我們是不是可以來盤點跟檢討來做這個重建復建跟改進院長這不難吧\n是 我們每次到應變中心都要求抽水機要夠 抽水站要能用人車物料要充足那這一個預算裡面我們也編列了大型移動性的抽水機有一億元另外有防水板的相關經費都會落實在這一次預算當中的結構裡面\n所以我希望部長那院長剛剛有指示我覺得這個是好事也是應該要做的事對人民生活影響很重要的事那我覺得應該要做接著除了淹水的地區我們要發救助金我們要解決問題我們台中有大片的山坡地山坡地的水保是最重要的我在第一時間跑了霧峰北屯還有太平\n你會看到\n山邊的農民的土石流就進了他的房子然後呢 整個道路是中斷的完全不能通行 整個都東山 朝山 樓上去我們在那幾天 台中的大好雨包括霧峰 新社 潭子 豐原 東勢 北屯 太平等地區土石災害 農路攤房目前在所謂的75件是地方政府報上來的我相信不止\n那我也希望在這一次特別預算裡面我們行政院不管是經濟部跟農業部能夠大力的支持協助地方政府來重建不管是農路也好水土保持工程也好或者是相關的道路橋樑這個院長這本來就是我們應該做的對不對所以我們需要特別預算接著我來給你看一個數字院長\n台中是一個六都的都會區大家會想說怎麼農產的災損我們是最多其實台中的物產風老農業地區也很多我們的農作物相對的也非常多元這個\n表格計算表格是我們的行政單位給我的那就是0728那7月底的那幾天的豪雨造成了農業的災損的損失的金額統計表我看一下第一名叫屏東縣第二名就叫台中市\n所以我也希望扶植農民讓農產業能夠復甦摘損能夠得到政府的協助補助讓我們的農民生活可以早日恢復正常而且他才有能力能量在下一次面對下一個年頭的農作或者是下一次的災害我相信災害\n希望在政府的協助之下不要再多了農民是看天吃飯但是我們希望老天爺能夠天佑臺灣希望我們的政府要做的是什麼在這樣的極端氣候之下災防韌性還有相關的災防建設我們能夠做得到位跟農民一起來抵抗垮梯吃飯這事宜院長這是我們要跟農民站在一起的好不好\n所以呢在這個六度裡面台中的農產損失是超過一億也許你們說超過一億對一個直轄市來說看起來不多但是呢像我剛剛講從淹水到水土保持到農路到這個農民的災損我想方方面面還有很多其實不只這一億其實不只是這些錢更多的是需要我們政府長期的支持啦院長對不對\n我們就是不管是從產業從農業這個各方面我們除了原來的計畫之外不夠的部分我們就是用這樣的方式來把它補充那未來包括治水我們還有更多的四年的計畫要做長期支持對政府來講我們就是把政策延續下去\n對不起院長你剛剛有回答其他委員因為有其他委員在指引過去我們的治水計畫還有治水預算花了那麼多好像沒什麼成效可是院長事實上我們從長遠的角度來看的話跟專業的角度來看的話是有效的\n是有效的只是我們的極端氣候真的變化的太超乎我們人類所及應該是這樣子講那它變化的速度太快所以造成我們這個治水的一個功效好像讓人覺得打了折扣可是以我在我的選區台中市來看台中市在過去這幾年\n我們中央支持之下整治了很多的河川還有下水道系統我也爭取在行政院的支持之下也建置了很多那所以相對的我們過去易淹水的地區像剛剛院長回答的面積越來越縮小\n那退水的這個時間越來越縮短但是我們仍然希望好還要更好所以剛剛院長講到一句話長期的預算的支持治水不管是在農業或者經濟部或者是內政部相關各部會只要是對地方治水有功效的我們都應該要全力的來支持所以我在最後的結語\n會再問一下我們這個特別預算我要問一下這個院長\n因為在第二條裡面有講這個台中市雖然有在我們的這個立法說明裡面是一個災區但是範圍是由行政院公告那我剛剛聽到我們這一次特別預算的主責單位叫做公共工程委員會所以呢我們的這個災區的一個範圍公告是行政院公共工程委員會來勘查之後來認定公告院長對不對那請問依照實際的自災情形\n請問我們這個特別預算通過之後何時公告我認為很快就會依照實際自災情形來公告但大部分的區域都很清楚了如果還有一些不是整個\n整個直轄市可能某些區域裡面特別嚴重事態情形工程會就有處理這次在特別條例的協調當中就是院長在組織協調當中有附帶決議已經包括台中了\n台中全市各縣市政府他必須有一個申報我們昨天才開會討論關於災區的審查的標準所以將來會設到工程會然後會召開會議\n所以主委因為你剛剛講的這些要召開會議然後審查標準要制定那這些呢都需要時間那我只希望說能夠要快要有效率因為我想特別預算草野都支持我們應該會最快的速度來通過那我們希望同時因為那個標準並沒有設定的很嚴格沒有設定很嚴格但是還是要你們審慎對不對\n那審任跟公告我希望能夠用最快的時間最有效率的方式趕快好不好主委 這個院長也有答應那我剛剛也跟院長提到有很多的事情是要長期的我們今天特別預算通過了雖然是針對的這些風災雨災這個天災但是我知道現在我們政府手上四大預算案就是要顧民生 要拚經濟所以拜託院長我們一起加油\n好 謝謝何欣淳委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.423 --> 00:22.641\n僑新委員請準備好謝謝院長那我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢等一下再請相關部會的首長請卓院長二委員好\n\n00:23.203 --> 00:46.520\n院長辛苦了還是加油我相信不分草野大家都希望台灣更好所以今天我們面對這個特別預算我們希望能夠第一個盡快通過第二個我們現在錢花在刀口上花在真正能夠讓人民有感的地方幫助更多的受災的民眾我想7月的雖然今天\n\n00:47.460 --> 01:09.792\n特別預算裡面大家談的幾乎都是南部地區但是我跟院長報告7月相關的風災雨災在台中也是一個超級大好雨而且是創下70年來同期最多的雨量我想極端氣候大家都談很多但是如何能夠強化災防的韌性\n\n01:11.513 --> 01:40.438\n以及讓我們所有的人民能夠安居樂業我想這個是我們政府責無旁貸大家要一起努力的那我在第一頁有一個步風五福社區我為什麼會特別請院長感受一下這個暗示落這麼大落到陰水所以人都睡不著都要起來順大家都會歡樂這個其實就是大多數遇到天災風災雨災\n\n01:41.238 --> 02:07.537\n大部分受灾户受灾的人民他的第一时间的心情我想绝对是不美丽而且绝对是很脆弱绝对需要我们政府跟所有相关的单位能够跟他们同理站在第一线上能够协助他们而且要快这也就是为什么我们今天这个特别预算我刚刚一开始说我们希望能够快速通过其实不是只有物丰物福\n\n02:09.298 --> 02:29.448\n7月底從28293031大台中大大小小的災情很多淹水的情況也很多我另外在有一面有一個照片是在烏日的環河路那個淹水這不僅僅是人行走困難那裡也是一個交通要道連汽車機車都會掉車\n\n02:33.105 --> 02:49.389\n淹水的問題到底在哪裡其實我覺得第一個我要先謝謝院長因為院長在第一時間有說宣布只要是有淹水縣市政府認定超過50公分除了縣市政府既有的一個救助金之外我們行政院加碼兩萬對不對院長\n\n02:52.062 --> 03:08.139\n是所以我在第一時間因為當時候院長說的這個加碼是針對南部縣市我怕院長忘了台中的淹水情況也很嚴重所以我第一時間也趕快行文提醒我們行政院那也謝謝院長跟我們經濟部\n\n03:09.400 --> 03:38.056\n在第一時間就把台中只要有淹水的情形經過市政府的認定我們行政院也同樣加碼對不對院長是的那我希望呢呈報上來的我們要趕快核定因為呢欠災民的錢不要拖啦要趕啦這第一個呈報的過程也請地方政府能夠把數據能夠出來我們才能夠核算應該是這樣講院長我們第一個要公開透明我們的效率\n\n03:39.991 --> 04:06.352\n地方政府到底是多久的時間匯集資料那多久的時間送到我們中央我們在同步的縣市政府在做補助的時候我們收到他呈報上來的資料我們如何在最快的速度能夠把加碼的救助金發放出去我覺得這是人民對政府的信任的第一步所以這個效率很重要接著我認為\n\n04:07.933 --> 04:34.534\n除了給現金給救助金之外最重要的就是要解決問題嘛對不對我這個陰陰陰我沒希望後一天再落大我家又陰水所以我以物風物福為例我剛剛的第一張照片它半夜水淹上來了之後結果事後我們去調查原因它是我們的農水設施做得不夠好因為水閘門關不起來\n\n04:38.376 --> 04:50.581\n他同時有灌溉溝渠那旁邊就是增淘就是住宅區結果因為旁邊的灌溉溝渠的水閘門現在是老舊的手動式的水閘門\n\n04:52.398 --> 05:16.560\n因為老舊卡住關不起來所以造成那整個增淘陰水那我覺得這個就是事後檢討我們發現的問題就是要解決問題所以我當下在會看的時候我第一個要求要檢討現行的SOP什麼SOP原來我們農業部的農水署要求各水利單位\n\n05:17.120 --> 05:32.297\n只有在地方政府宣布開設這個一級二級的災防應變中心之後他們才會跟著啟動SOP來應變結果那一天淹大水的時候台中市政府還沒有宣布\n\n05:35.119 --> 05:57.111\n這個災變中心而且當時候台中市長人在國外沒人主持大局所以一拖就拖過了所以沒有人發現這個問題結果我們農水署的相關同仁們就被動的等著地方政府來宣布有沒有成立應變中心就錯過了黃金時間所以第一個我要求要檢討現行的SOP\n\n05:58.712 --> 06:20.733\n不一定要等只要是發生問題了我覺得就應該要及時的因應所以院長是你同意吧部長也在這裡請農水署還有水利署以後這個事情我們提早如何能夠是這個農水署跟水利單位也有關係我跟委員報告一下我們現在在修正的還有在調整的作為就是\n\n06:21.704 --> 06:48.773\n在颱風任何的可能的雨害來之前就要巡一次至少那個關的部分是沒有問題的然後後續什麼時候關才會搭配著後面的這些災防的這些層級但是一定會有人他的最主要問題是沒有辦法關沒有辦法關開對所以要事前的去巡視他是不是正常這才是重點所以這個部分我已經要求農水組這邊包括他們的水利小組都要再去查一次\n\n06:49.573 --> 07:18.206\n我會建議院長也在這裡我們今天要通過特別預算應該要好好的盤點因為我們現在有很多的農水利設施是比較老舊的相對的我們現在數位科技化的現在我們可以升級就要利用我們現在的特別預算好好盤點該升級就要升級該增設抽水設施就應該增設抽水設施這也就是部長你剛剛講的我們當然在事前要先去巡查\n\n07:18.766 --> 07:46.546\n那巡查之後盤點了之後我們該改善就要改善該有特別預算來支應我希望大家要趕快的事先的提出我相信院長一定會支持的嘛譬如說我們現在都說智慧水閘門還有遠端的監控系統如果在這個淹水地區的一個關鍵的這個區域的話我們是不是可以來盤點跟檢討來做這個重建復建跟改進院長這不難吧\n\n07:48.089 --> 08:05.757\n是我們每次到應變中心都要求抽水機要夠抽水站要能用人車物料要充足那這一個預算裡面我們也編列了大型移動性的抽水機有一億元另外有防水板的相關經費都會落實在這一次預算當中的結構裡面\n\n08:06.457 --> 08:35.681\n所以我希望部長那院長剛剛有指示我覺得這個是好事也是應該要做的事對人民生活影響很重要的事那我覺得應該要做接著除了淹水的地區我們要發救助金我們要解決問題我們台中有大片的山坡地山坡地的水保是最重要的我在第一時間跑了霧峰北屯還有太平\n\n08:36.776 --> 08:37.261\n你會看到\n\n08:39.932 --> 09:07.512\n山邊的農民的土石流就進了他的房子然後呢整個道路是中斷的完全不能通行整個都東山朝山樓上去我們在那幾天台中的大好雨包括霧峰新社潭子豐原東勢北屯太平等地區土石災害農路攤房目前在所謂的75件是地方政府報上來的我相信不止\n\n09:08.032 --> 09:35.022\n那我也希望在這一次特別預算裡面我們行政院不管是經濟部跟農業部能夠大力的支持協助地方政府來重建不管是農路也好水土保持工程也好或者是相關的道路橋樑這個院長這本來就是我們應該做的對不對所以我們需要特別預算接著我來給你看一個數字院長\n\n09:36.206 --> 09:50.585\n台中是一個六都的都會區大家會想說怎麼農產的災損我們是最多其實台中的物產風老農業地區也很多我們的農作物相對的也非常多元這個\n\n09:52.708 --> 10:08.448\n表格計算表格是我們的行政單位給我的那就是0728那7月底的那幾天的豪雨造成了農業的災損的損失的金額統計表我看一下第一名叫屏東縣第二名就叫台中市\n\n10:10.385 --> 10:33.565\n所以我也希望扶植農民讓農產業能夠復甦摘損能夠得到政府的協助補助讓我們的農民生活可以早日恢復正常而且他才有能力能量在下一次面對下一個年頭的農作或者是下一次的災害我相信災害\n\n10:34.666 --> 11:02.128\n希望在政府的協助之下不要再多了農民是看天吃飯但是我們希望老天爺能夠天佑臺灣希望我們的政府要做的是什麼在這樣的極端氣候之下災防韌性還有相關的災防建設我們能夠做得到位跟農民一起來抵抗垮梯吃飯這事宜院長這是我們要跟農民站在一起的好不好\n\n11:02.748 --> 11:29.296\n所以呢在這個六度裡面台中的農產損失是超過一億也許你們說超過一億對一個直轄市來說看起來不多但是呢像我剛剛講從淹水到水土保持到農路到這個農民的災損我想方方面面還有很多其實不只這一億其實不只是這些錢更多的是需要我們政府長期的支持啦院長對不對\n\n11:30.816 --> 11:48.642\n我們就是不管是從產業從農業這個各方面我們除了原來的計畫之外不夠的部分我們就是用這樣的方式來把它補充那未來包括治水我們還有更多的四年的計畫要做長期支持對政府來講我們就是把政策延續下去\n\n11:49.793 --> 12:05.701\n對不起院長你剛剛有回答其他委員因為有其他委員在指引過去我們的治水計畫還有治水預算花了那麼多好像沒什麼成效可是院長事實上我們從長遠的角度來看的話跟專業的角度來看的話是有效的\n\n12:06.181 --> 12:27.790\n是有效的只是我們的極端氣候真的變化的太超乎我們人類所及應該是這樣子講那它變化的速度太快所以造成我們這個治水的一個功效好像讓人覺得打了折扣可是以我在我的選區台中市來看台中市在過去這幾年\n\n12:28.570 --> 12:44.759\n我們中央支持之下整治了很多的河川還有下水道系統我也爭取在行政院的支持之下也建置了很多那所以相對的我們過去易淹水的地區像剛剛院長回答的面積越來越縮小\n\n12:45.379 --> 13:10.492\n那退水的這個時間越來越縮短但是我們仍然希望好還要更好所以剛剛院長講到一句話長期的預算的支持治水不管是在農業或者經濟部或者是內政部相關各部會只要是對地方治水有功效的我們都應該要全力的來支持所以我在最後的結語\n\n13:11.954 --> 13:15.487\n會再問一下我們這個特別預算我要問一下這個院長\n\n13:17.056 --> 13:45.721\n因為在第二條裡面有講這個台中市雖然有在我們的這個立法說明裡面是一個災區但是範圍是由行政院公告那我剛剛聽到我們這一次特別預算的主責單位叫做公共工程委員會所以呢我們的這個災區的一個範圍公告是行政院公共工程委員會來勘查之後來認定公告院長對不對那請問依照實際的自災情形\n\n13:47.403 --> 14:01.124\n請問我們這個特別預算通過之後何時公告我認為很快就會依照實際自災情形來公告但大部分的區域都很清楚了如果還有一些不是整個\n\n14:02.486 --> 14:16.875\n整個直轄市可能某些區域裡面特別嚴重事態情形工程會就有處理這次在特別條例的協調當中就是院長在組織協調當中有附帶決議已經包括台中了\n\n14:17.970 --> 14:34.008\n台中全市各縣市政府他必須有一個申報我們昨天才開會討論關於災區的審查的標準所以將來會設到工程會然後會召開會議\n\n14:36.331 --> 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這個農水署跟水利單位也有關係我跟委員報告一下我們現在在修正的還有在調整的作為就是"},{"start":381.704,"end":408.773,"text":"在颱風任何的可能的雨害來之前就要巡一次至少那個關的部分是沒有問題的然後後續什麼時候關才會搭配著後面的這些災防的這些層級但是一定會有人他的最主要問題是沒有辦法關沒有辦法關開對所以要事前的去巡視他是不是正常這才是重點所以這個部分我已經要求農水組這邊包括他們的水利小組都要再去查一次"},{"start":409.573,"end":438.206,"text":"我會建議院長也在這裡我們今天要通過特別預算應該要好好的盤點因為我們現在有很多的農水利設施是比較老舊的相對的我們現在數位科技化的現在我們可以升級就要利用我們現在的特別預算好好盤點該升級就要升級該增設抽水設施就應該增設抽水設施這也就是部長你剛剛講的我們當然在事前要先去巡查"},{"start":438.766,"end":466.546,"text":"那巡查之後盤點了之後我們該改善就要改善該有特別預算來支應我希望大家要趕快的事先的提出我相信院長一定會支持的嘛譬如說我們現在都說智慧水閘門還有遠端的監控系統如果在這個淹水地區的一個關鍵的這個區域的話我們是不是可以來盤點跟檢討來做這個重建復建跟改進院長這不難吧"},{"start":468.089,"end":485.757,"text":"是 我們每次到應變中心都要求抽水機要夠 抽水站要能用人車物料要充足那這一個預算裡面我們也編列了大型移動性的抽水機有一億元另外有防水板的相關經費都會落實在這一次預算當中的結構裡面"},{"start":486.457,"end":515.681,"text":"所以我希望部長那院長剛剛有指示我覺得這個是好事也是應該要做的事對人民生活影響很重要的事那我覺得應該要做接著除了淹水的地區我們要發救助金我們要解決問題我們台中有大片的山坡地山坡地的水保是最重要的我在第一時間跑了霧峰北屯還有太平"},{"start":516.776,"end":517.261,"text":"你會看到"},{"start":519.932,"end":547.512,"text":"山邊的農民的土石流就進了他的房子然後呢 整個道路是中斷的完全不能通行 整個都東山 朝山 樓上去我們在那幾天 台中的大好雨包括霧峰 新社 潭子 豐原 東勢 北屯 太平等地區土石災害 農路攤房目前在所謂的75件是地方政府報上來的我相信不止"},{"start":548.032,"end":575.022,"text":"那我也希望在這一次特別預算裡面我們行政院不管是經濟部跟農業部能夠大力的支持協助地方政府來重建不管是農路也好水土保持工程也好或者是相關的道路橋樑這個院長這本來就是我們應該做的對不對所以我們需要特別預算接著我來給你看一個數字院長"},{"start":576.206,"end":590.585,"text":"台中是一個六都的都會區大家會想說怎麼農產的災損我們是最多其實台中的物產風老農業地區也很多我們的農作物相對的也非常多元這個"},{"start":592.708,"end":608.448,"text":"表格計算表格是我們的行政單位給我的那就是0728那7月底的那幾天的豪雨造成了農業的災損的損失的金額統計表我看一下第一名叫屏東縣第二名就叫台中市"},{"start":610.385,"end":633.565,"text":"所以我也希望扶植農民讓農產業能夠復甦摘損能夠得到政府的協助補助讓我們的農民生活可以早日恢復正常而且他才有能力能量在下一次面對下一個年頭的農作或者是下一次的災害我相信災害"},{"start":634.666,"end":662.128,"text":"希望在政府的協助之下不要再多了農民是看天吃飯但是我們希望老天爺能夠天佑臺灣希望我們的政府要做的是什麼在這樣的極端氣候之下災防韌性還有相關的災防建設我們能夠做得到位跟農民一起來抵抗垮梯吃飯這事宜院長這是我們要跟農民站在一起的好不好"},{"start":662.748,"end":689.296,"text":"所以呢在這個六度裡面台中的農產損失是超過一億也許你們說超過一億對一個直轄市來說看起來不多但是呢像我剛剛講從淹水到水土保持到農路到這個農民的災損我想方方面面還有很多其實不只這一億其實不只是這些錢更多的是需要我們政府長期的支持啦院長對不對"},{"start":690.816,"end":708.642,"text":"我們就是不管是從產業從農業這個各方面我們除了原來的計畫之外不夠的部分我們就是用這樣的方式來把它補充那未來包括治水我們還有更多的四年的計畫要做長期支持對政府來講我們就是把政策延續下去"},{"start":709.793,"end":725.701,"text":"對不起院長你剛剛有回答其他委員因為有其他委員在指引過去我們的治水計畫還有治水預算花了那麼多好像沒什麼成效可是院長事實上我們從長遠的角度來看的話跟專業的角度來看的話是有效的"},{"start":726.181,"end":747.79,"text":"是有效的只是我們的極端氣候真的變化的太超乎我們人類所及應該是這樣子講那它變化的速度太快所以造成我們這個治水的一個功效好像讓人覺得打了折扣可是以我在我的選區台中市來看台中市在過去這幾年"},{"start":748.57,"end":764.759,"text":"我們中央支持之下整治了很多的河川還有下水道系統我也爭取在行政院的支持之下也建置了很多那所以相對的我們過去易淹水的地區像剛剛院長回答的面積越來越縮小"},{"start":765.379,"end":790.492,"text":"那退水的這個時間越來越縮短但是我們仍然希望好還要更好所以剛剛院長講到一句話長期的預算的支持治水不管是在農業或者經濟部或者是內政部相關各部會只要是對地方治水有功效的我們都應該要全力的來支持所以我在最後的結語"},{"start":791.954,"end":795.487,"text":"會再問一下我們這個特別預算我要問一下這個院長"},{"start":797.056,"end":825.721,"text":"因為在第二條裡面有講這個台中市雖然有在我們的這個立法說明裡面是一個災區但是範圍是由行政院公告那我剛剛聽到我們這一次特別預算的主責單位叫做公共工程委員會所以呢我們的這個災區的一個範圍公告是行政院公共工程委員會來勘查之後來認定公告院長對不對那請問依照實際的自災情形"},{"start":827.403,"end":841.124,"text":"請問我們這個特別預算通過之後何時公告我認為很快就會依照實際自災情形來公告但大部分的區域都很清楚了如果還有一些不是整個"},{"start":842.486,"end":856.875,"text":"整個直轄市可能某些區域裡面特別嚴重事態情形工程會就有處理這次在特別條例的協調當中就是院長在組織協調當中有附帶決議已經包括台中了"},{"start":857.97,"end":874.008,"text":"台中全市各縣市政府他必須有一個申報我們昨天才開會討論關於災區的審查的標準所以將來會設到工程會然後會召開會議"},{"start":876.331,"end":898.952,"text":"所以主委因為你剛剛講的這些要召開會議然後審查標準要制定那這些呢都需要時間那我只希望說能夠要快要有效率因為我想特別預算草野都支持我們應該會最快的速度來通過那我們希望同時因為那個標準並沒有設定的很嚴格沒有設定很嚴格但是還是要你們審慎對不對"},{"start":901.094,"end":927.191,"text":"那審任跟公告我希望能夠用最快的時間最有效率的方式趕快好不好主委 這個院長也有答應那我剛剛也跟院長提到有很多的事情是要長期的我們今天特別預算通過了雖然是針對的這些風災雨災這個天災但是我知道現在我們政府手上四大預算案就是要顧民生 要拚經濟所以拜託院長我們一起加油"},{"start":929.353,"end":930.442,"text":"好 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