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00:04:04,945\n完全潰敗原因在哪裡這就是你要檢討的地方嘛這是第一個第二個的部分呢要如何讓地方的這個儲能系統能夠建構起來漁電共生的部分屬於農業部地面型的部分是屬於你們屋頂型的是屬於你們以後屋頂型是不是擴大是屬於內政部因為它國土屬於後的修法有關係就這三個幫\n\n11\n00:04:06,626 --> 00:04:30,149\n這三個發電系統來說要如何儲能備援共生強化韌性這是非常重要的我覺得這個經濟部分現在編這個8億110億的當中你應該考量到未來的部署的可能性你應該做一個主政單位連同內政部還有包括農業部一起找來你主揪然後做一個專案平台有沒有可能市長\n\n12\n00:04:32,232 --> 00:04:40,456\n我們會再找農業部還有內政部這邊來找對一起來溝通還有台電的曾董事長在嗎時間暫停一下時間暫停\n\n13\n00:04:48,837 --> 00:05:14,046\n曾董這一次的這個通訊電纜之所以全部斷訊的原因是主要有兩大間的民間的業者掛在我們電線上面跟著台電的電感導而斷訊嘛對不對有些是附掛台電電感你們這個有跟他收費嗎台電的電感附掛是要收費的對啊要收費那是不是收得太便宜了將來你不能提高它的價格逼得這個NCC的東西把它地下化有沒有可能\n\n14\n00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:26,125\n報告委員就我覺得要規劃地下化尤其是地下管線是重要我跟委員報告我覺得這一次我們在主幹道的那些電纜地下化事實上對地下化的同時幫電線電纜包括路燈還有交通耗資我們會找交通部一起來合作管道法的部分我有請內政部處理了\n\n15\n00:05:33,969 --> 00:05:56,189\n所以這個部分現階段的行政院的部分是以你們做主政為主政以地下化的部分是以電力系統為主連帶其他的管線單位應該一併處理陳董事長我就是做這提醒你主幹線的部分一定要聯合好不好那接下來我再請次長一下次長最後把握一點時間因為你這一次的預算產發署的部分給一億啦\n\n16\n00:05:57,930 --> 00:06:01,713\n最高給20萬挺多能500家結果你商業署的部分給5.9億最高1萬最高給5.9萬家可是你知道災區的部分的情況底下是製造業的這個受損遠遠高過於服務業結果服務業的部分居然是6倍於這個\n\n17\n00:06:18,805 --> 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