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00:02:35,706\n坦白講就是跟區公所嘛農民一定是跟在地的公所最有連結嘛對不對所以這一個這樣的機制跨部會協調是政府的工作不管是中央政府或地方政府或跨部會其實都是各部會政府的工作嘛這個完全同意嘛所以我對您這邊的期待要求就是未來大家的這個SOP可以建立得更好跨部會的協調更好啦那\n\n8\n00:02:36,306 --> 00:03:02,151\n主委可能就到這邊謝謝因為剩下的我要問陳部長主委就請先回去先回座休息謝謝好部長那我就接下去跟你問剛剛金山的那一塊田我們金山的這塊田接下來就進入到了農損農損就是災後重建要怎麼得到第一步的支援的部分好我去問了公所了那部長現在這個損害怎麼認定您認為要怎麼處理\n\n9\n00:03:05,723 --> 00:03:23,764\n我跟委員報告就是說有關於是不是救助這個作物第一個一定會先公告公告完了以後他就可以到公所去申請申請的部分會有一個公所的縣刊會來處理縣刊誰做縣刊是公所的人員來做公所會做嗎\n\n10\n00:03:25,031 --> 00:03:50,431\n公所我們在每一種作物的現刊之前都會開講習會讓公所了解主委我就是等您這句話啦時間的關係我就直接說我的需求我們其實災害地方不是常常都有像過去沒有人想過金山會淹水金山在山上沒有人想過金山會淹水所以你已經讓區公所的人來做第一線協助他們都很辛苦了\n\n11\n00:03:50,811 --> 00:04:11,621\n可是你叫公所的人馬上就會認定農損他們會怕他不知道要怎麼認定接下來發出去的都是國家的錢公務員也會擔心嘛所以如果您認同未來全國各地都有可能因為極端氣候發生災害的話那麼我認為重建量能當中的這種像災損的認定人員的訓練也應該成為新常態的一環主委認同嗎\n\n12\n00:04:16,923 --> 00:04:23,048\n我非常認同特別是在中南部很多公所的人員因為異動的關係所以變成是一個新手很辛苦但是我們就給他配備包括知識量能的配備我們一定會做能難訓練因為真的時間大家都很趕所以這一條是這樣實際跟您說\n\n13\n00:04:34,358 --> 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我去問了公所了那部長現在這個損害怎麼認定您認為要怎麼處理\n我跟委員報告就是說有關於是不是救助這個作物第一個一定會先公告公告完了以後他就可以到公所去申請申請的部分會有一個公所的縣刊會來處理縣刊誰做縣刊是公所的人員來做公所會做嗎\n公所我們在每一種作物的現刊之前都會開講習會讓公所了解主委我就是等您這句話啦時間的關係我就直接說我的需求我們其實災害地方不是常常都有像過去沒有人想過金山會淹水金山在山上沒有人想過金山會淹水所以你已經讓區公所的人來做第一線協助他們都很辛苦了\n可是你叫公所的人馬上就會認定農損他們會怕他不知道要怎麼認定接下來發出去的都是國家的錢公務員也會擔心嘛所以如果您認同未來全國各地都有可能因為極端氣候發生災害的話那麼我認為重建量能當中的這種像災損的認定人員的訓練也應該成為新常態的一環主委認同嗎\n我非常認同特別是在中南部很多公所的人員因為異動的關係所以變成是一個新手很辛苦但是我們就給他配備包括知識量能的配備我們一定會做能難訓練因為真的時間大家都很趕所以這一條是這樣實際跟您說\n第二個您說剛剛關於這個紓困貸款的部分那我也認同應該要有紓困可是主委我從過去在跟您請教的有一條就是我們有一個這個青壯年農民從農貸款要點我相信部長您一定很清楚嘛陳部長\n可是部長直接跟你討論我的爭點我們的第三條第四款當中有說我們去貸款這個青壯年農民從農貸款的人他在全年的非農業的收入的部分不能超過基本工資的1.25倍這是多少錢你知道嗎\n四十三萬全年不得超過四十三萬可是以我剛剛東北的東北岸的這個農民來說我十二月這整個冬季我都沒有辦法從農他大概就四個月所以如果我要去繳一個貸款通常這\n農作會停要休耕貸款不會停啊所以我還是必須要打工來還這一筆這個費用就差不多就是這個事實了那現在再加上天災的部分就更多如果我因為這樣損害剝奪了我的身份貸款身份我覺得這樣是不妥的啦這個平常就會發生那我認為災後更會啦所以特別提醒這一點我們希望可以再討論放寬\n好 謝謝部長 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.351 --> 00:01.757\n陳主委還有那個農業部部長\n\n00:06.351 --> 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