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00:01:04,229\n我特別注意到了一件事情因為在很多新聞資料當中看到了石棉建材的問題嚴重的浮現出來因為石棉建材石棉在1977年就被國際認為是一級致癌物部長一定知道這個狀態我們在這一次看到這災情當中的時候好多好多的災民跟清潔人員他們用徒手在搬運破碎的石棉瓦\n\n4\n00:01:05,229 --> 00:01:18,284\n那甚至於有很多車子就碾過了一個破碎的食棉瓦那食棉的一個纖維就是到處在那個粉塵到處在竄那我想請教一下因為在這一次這600億的一個特別預算當中的時候\n\n5\n00:01:22,429 --> 00:01:47,280\n就是環境部有特別編列七億坦白說在六百里面的七億其實不算多可是他很精準的放在實棉建材廢棄物清運的作業這個部分我想請問一下部長現在實棉建材這件事情你認為是一個這是災後碰到的一個問題還是是一個整個公衛的一個問題\n\n6\n00:01:48,300 --> 00:02:15,346\n好謝謝委員第一個是石棉要破損了才要馬上清運如果沒有破損等到整個要改建的時候再把它移除掉就可以了所以我們這種所謂的正常的排除是我們每年大概有兩到三億的預算來補助給地方來做這個事情那這次是因為大規模的這個有一萬五千噸所以我們要處理這個破損的已經破損的量所以這個七億多事實上還有我們有爭取別的預算\n\n7\n00:02:15,486 --> 00:02:42,927\n所以目前每年有2億多是在環境部這邊來協助做這樣一個處理對不對補助給地方我想另外先問下一個問題因為你這邊的時候我看環境部的資料這邊有特別提到全台10萬瓦的建物總共高達24萬全台到處都有24萬多棟你們這部分是怎麼統計出來的這個是用衛星謠測然後繁衍出來推算出來的衛星謠測出來的對不對\n\n8\n00:02:44,868 --> 00:03:10,889\n所以可能是一般的住宅对不对也可能是农舍还有企业企业对不对那可能搞不好文化部他们可能有一些历史建筑可能也都包含在里头是然后可能包括了我们教育部体系下面有很多学校也都会有对不对对OK好那针对这个部分我想请教一下内政部部长\n\n9\n00:03:11,730 --> 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