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00:02:34,621\n行政院的版本因為我們其實我們那時候說法務部的版本很快就提到已經提到去年就提到行政院那行政院已經五次的審查我想快要審訊了即將審訊已經到最後的一個階段了那再就會嫌立法院那個司法院就會送到行政院來做一個審議了那委員非常關心這個內統事實上這個內統是人審公分田裡然農這個我想我們的理念都一致的那內統當然不能假設我們是我們是贊同的啊\n\n7\n00:02:34,701 --> 00:02:34,803\n谢谢大家\n\n8\n00:02:35,462 --> 00:03:04,408\n這個我們是贊同的那贊同會有版本嗎因為我為什麼特別講就是當時我們還特別協調然後冷凍一個月因為那時候我是覺得根本不要冷凍一個月可是因為當時你們說你們可以提出版本所以我們就等可是你們最後還是沒有提出版本而在立法院最後處理三讀通過的時候當時民進黨所有的委員通通投下反對票\n\n9\n00:03:05,388 --> 00:03:11,152\n所有民進黨的委員通通投下反對票所以我們就不懂啦在這邊講說願意支持然後願意提版本在我們立法院院會三讀通過的時候民進黨又所有的委員通通投下反對票所以我們就不懂這個到底態度看起來態度就是堅決反對啊不然為什麼全部都投反對票還沒有開放投票喔\n\n10\n00:03:29,784 --> 00:03:54,258\n好所以我想請問一下您剛剛講說現在法務部已經有修法送到行政院所以基本上我們現在立法院我們幾位委員的提案我們法務部是支持的嗎這部分有些部分的因為這要配合回應那個113年宪判八字號的一個判決那也回應到民意\n\n11\n00:03:55,138 --> 00:04:21,170\n那這邊我跟委員報告過了我們對這些天理人神共憤這些特殊重大暴力的犯罪包括這個286刑犯286的這部分我們的立場我們是希望這部分這個不適用假釋的一個規定那我想這部分行政已經在最後是不是在等甚至剛才有委員提到說是不是要在辦公這個範圍的一個問題\n\n12\n00:04:23,351 --> 00:04:42,243\n那我想這個286那這樣好不好因為當然我們這個會期也快要結束了那你們下會期可以送到立法院來嗎我們努力因為這個已經到最後的一個審查階段了對我真的覺得因為你不要每次都嘴巴上說同意然後呢最後都沒有那個行動而且那\n\n13\n00:04:44,585 --> 00:05:09,242\n這個執政黨委員的投票的又變成反對所以這樣的話我們希望說能夠你們就直接在下個會期好不好能夠送進來我覺得很多的法案如果大家有一致就不需要為了對立因為我們說實在啦我們在這個會期尤其在大罷免之前太多只是為了反對而反對好像你再也講提什麼東西我即便是對的是對的你們也要反對反對到底\n\n14\n00:05:13,004 --> 00:05:31,378\n所以我真的覺得這個部分剛才講就是我們如何防止孽兒而且針對凌虐幼兒致死的是大家都知道是凌容忍所以都應該去做我時間還有一點點對不起到後面這個是我這幾天一直很想詢問的\n\n15\n00:05:34,065 --> 00:06:00,282\n最近有幾個案件其實呢大家覺得很有感沒有錯他們是觸犯了相關的法則但是呢說實在對一般人來講那個都是很違罪我們常常在想說你們法院也好檢察官也好累積這麼大量案件這麼多的詐欺案要辦還有你要辦這麼多的司法這個政治的案件\n\n16\n00:06:01,002 --> 00:06:13,435\n還有很多的案件結果我們現在出現的一些法則第一個就是說有一個女子兩年前她在淘寶去買了棉花棒她是買了20包20包一共480塊480塊\n\n17\n00:06:19,782 --> 00:06:42,664\n那他這個當然呢他是違反相關的就是這個你這個醫用型的這些不能夠進口超量那可能一般的人搞不清楚那好好他違法了那那時候呢也被沒收結果兩年後警方上門逮人而且把他拘留在看守所一個晚上買20包的\n\n18\n00:06:46,328 --> 00:06:51,095\n棉花棒要被拘留在看守所一個晚上然後讓他繳十萬塊錢的罰款\n\n19\n00:06:54,881 --> 00:07:21,857\n這樣的一個司法的行為其實我們覺得不解啦這樣可能任何人都可能觸法任何人都可能觸法好另外一個案件貪污是不對的可是像這個清潔隊員他是把廢棄的家具他覺得這個家具人家覺得不要但是呢他在這個資源回收的時候他覺得這個家具是堪用的\n\n20\n00:07:22,757 --> 00:07:26,682\n他就把他呢送給了好友人他覺得很可惜\n\n21\n00:07:27,851 --> 00:07:56,630\n結果依貪污罪起訴面臨五年以上有期徒刑大家都知道一旦是用貪污罪起訴就五年以上有期徒刑所以我要講就是說身在宮門好修行我們對於貪贓枉法違反法令的這個犯罪行為當然要打擊保護好人但是我講的這兩個例子我真的不覺得他們是壞人\n\n22\n00:07:58,051 --> 00:08:16,156\n他們有就是你買個棉花棒然後你要被到看守所還要住一晚很多人都很害怕你知道嗎即便是這種一般人聽到警方上門就嚇死了然後現在讓他到看守所去然後罰20萬對不起罰10萬塊那這個有關於\n\n23\n00:08:20,882 --> 00:08:47,687\n貪污違罪貪污在過去有好幾個案例所以我希望說我們法務部這邊是不是也可以針對這種違罪是不是他一定要處以這麼重的刑罰好像這個清潔隊員我覺得很多人都非常同情啊這個叫貪污那貪污更重的逍遙法外的更多呀\n\n24\n00:08:49,367 --> 00:09:01,549\n所以是不是部長既然我剛才一開始就問你你會不會寫辭職信你說你會堅守崗位好那我也希望人在公門好修行\n\n25\n00:09:02,935 --> 00:09:17,377\n老講法務部這一年多來你的施政的這個其實是非常偏頗的啦你做了很多的司法的案件但是我覺得我們是不是也能夠苦民所苦我剛才講的這個兩個例子\n\n26\n00:09:19,661 --> 00:09:38,032\n能不能在我們在法令上能做一些調整跟修正不要再出現像這樣子的一個小老百姓他也不懂他其實他也他那時候做的時候他也不曉得自己是犯罪但是呢卻要受到這樣的待遇部長可不可以就是我們\n\n27\n00:09:39,413 --> 00:09:54,962\n尤其在這個司法的部分啊能夠讓我們真的是要保護好人而不是去懲戒這些這種其實違罪就不要讓他有面臨這麼重的相關的罰則好不好\n\n28\n00:09:56,203 --> 00:10:21,243\n好謝謝委員那委員關心的就是那個清潔隊員這一種的的確是清清法重那這部分我們保護部都很重視這個問題事實上我們已經把修正草案送給行政院審查那這部分我跟委員報告這個像這個小貪污這部分那貪污自衛條例12條第一項有修正減輕或免除其刑那減輕的話還得減到三分之二\n\n29\n00:10:21,943 --> 00:10:50,613\n那我想這比較合乎到我們一個一個實際上的一個甚至可以免除疾險就不用管嘛那我想這個給法律你是修法嗎是修法好吧你可以把那個修法相關的那個你們的資料提供給我們辦公室一份好不好我覺得因為最近很多人跟我反映這個我自己也心有所感啊另外那個淘寶那個那是屬於衛福部的全職我知道這個那個我沒辦法去處理這個區塊\n\n30\n00:10:51,593 --> 00:11:07,183\n好好好那這個我們會去跟衛福部但是這個衛福部這當然是要罰啦他這個他是有用但是兩年之後又跑過去還要給人家關一個晚上我覺得真的非常離譜啦好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6892\t32266\t好 謝謝主席我請一下法務部長麻煩部長委員好部長好部長請問一下你這個禮拜會不會寫辭職信啊有沒有準備這個我想我每天坐在整個在推動我們這個業務的一個正常推動我想這個是一個\n34045\t37927\t你還是要堅守崗位目前要堅守崗位因為這兩天因為委員都很關心這個問題對 我很關心當然關心我們作為在野監督者當然關心因為院長\n50852\t65237\t說這個禮拜應該會完成整個的內閣改組那現在看起來呢可能要走的閣員都會主動寫個辭職信不想寫可能也被逼著要寫所以我才問您這句話所以應該這個禮拜你們有這個這個可能嘛\n67103\t91128\t謝謝 我很關心好 OK那請問一下就是我們現在討論的就是我們針對虐童不得假釋的部分我不曉得法務部的態度是什麼因為在之前我們針對凌虐幼兒致死那要處以最高可以處以死刑那那個時候是並沒有行政院版本我記得當時我們在做協調的時候那時候\n96400\t123991\t法务部还说会在一个月因为我们就是又被冷冻一个月那法务部还说会提出版本但是最后法务部并没有提出行政院版本那我想请问一下那有关于现在我们立法院很多委员都提案就是虐童致死也最高可以处无期徒刑而且不得假释这个部分法务部的态度是什么那么我们会有行政院的版本吗\n125502\t154621\t行政院的版本因為我們其實我們那時候說法務部的版本很快就提到已經提到去年就提到行政院那行政院已經五次的審查我想快要審訊了即將審訊已經到最後的一個階段了那再就會嫌立法院那個司法院就會送到行政院來做一個審議了那委員非常關心這個內統事實上這個內統是人審公分 田裡然農這個我想我們的理念都一致的那內統當然不能假設我們是我們是贊同的啊\n154701\t154803\t谢谢大家\n155462\t184408\t這個我們是贊同的那贊同會有版本嗎因為我為什麼特別講就是當時我們還特別協調然後冷凍一個月因為那時候我是覺得根本不要冷凍一個月可是因為當時你們說你們可以提出版本所以我們就等可是你們最後還是沒有提出版本而在立法院最後處理三讀通過的時候當時民進黨所有的委員通通投下反對票\n185388\t191152\t所有民進黨的委員通通投下反對票所以我們就不懂啦在這邊講說願意支持然後願意提版本在我們立法院院會三讀通過的時候民進黨又所有的委員通通投下反對票所以我們就不懂這個到底態度看起來態度就是堅決反對啊不然為什麼全部都投反對票還沒有開放投票喔\n209784\t234258\t好 所以我想請問一下您剛剛講說現在法務部已經有修法送到行政院所以基本上我們現在立法院我們幾位委員的提案我們法務部是支持的嗎這部分有些部分的因為這要配合回應那個113年宪判八字號的一個判決那也回應到民意\n235138\t261170\t那這邊我跟委員報告過了我們對這些天理人神共憤這些特殊重大暴力的犯罪包括這個286 刑犯286的這部分我們的立場我們是希望這部分這個不適用假釋的一個規定那我想這部分行政已經在最後是不是在等甚至剛才有委員提到說是不是要在辦公這個範圍的一個問題\n263351\t282243\t那我想這個286那這樣好不好因為當然我們這個會期也快要結束了那你們下會期可以送到立法院來嗎我們努力因為這個已經到最後的一個審查階段了對我真的覺得因為你不要每次都嘴巴上說同意然後呢最後都沒有那個行動而且那\n284585\t309242\t這個執政黨委員的投票的又變成反對所以這樣的話我們希望說能夠你們就直接在下個會期好不好能夠送進來我覺得很多的法案如果大家有一致就不需要為了對立因為我們說實在啦我們在這個會期尤其在大罷免之前太多只是為了反對而反對好像你再也講提什麼東西我即便是對的是對的你們也要反對反對到底\n313004\t331378\t所以我真的覺得這個部分剛才講就是我們如何防止孽兒而且針對凌虐幼兒致死的是大家都知道是凌容忍所以都應該去做我時間還有一點點對不起 到後面這個是我這幾天一直很想詢問的\n334065\t360282\t最近有幾個案件 其實呢 大家覺得很有感沒有錯 他們是觸犯了相關的法則但是呢 說實在 對一般人來講 那個都是很違罪我們常常在想說 你們法院也好 檢察官也好累積這麼大量案件 這麼多的詐欺案要辦還有你要辦這麼多的司法 這個政治的案件\n361002\t373435\t還有很多的案件 結果我們現在出現的一些法則第一個就是說有一個女子兩年前她在淘寶去買了棉花棒她是買了20包 20包一共480塊 480塊\n379782\t402664\t那他這個當然呢他是違反相關的就是這個你這個醫用型的這些不能夠進口超量那可能一般的人搞不清楚那好好他違法了那那時候呢也被沒收結果兩年後警方上門逮人而且把他拘留在看守所一個晚上買20包的\n406328\t411095\t棉花棒要被拘留在看守所一個晚上然後讓他繳十萬塊錢的罰款\n414881\t441857\t這樣的一個司法的行為其實我們覺得不解啦這樣可能任何人都可能觸法任何人都可能觸法好 另外一個案件貪污是不對的可是像這個清潔隊員他是把廢棄的家具他覺得這個家具人家覺得不要但是呢 他在這個資源回收的時候他覺得這個家具是堪用的\n442757\t446682\t他就把他呢送給了好友人他覺得很可惜\n447851\t476630\t結果依貪污罪起訴面臨五年以上有期徒刑大家都知道一旦是用貪污罪起訴就五年以上有期徒刑所以我要講就是說身在宮門好修行我們對於貪贓枉法違反法令的這個犯罪行為當然要打擊保護好人但是我講的這兩個例子我真的不覺得他們是壞人\n478051\t496156\t他們有 就是你買個棉花棒然後你要被到看守所還要住一晚 很多人都很害怕你知道嗎即便是這種一般人聽到警方上門就嚇死了然後現在讓他到看守所去然後罰20萬 對不起 罰10萬塊那這個有關於\n500882\t527687\t貪污 違罪貪污 在過去有好幾個案例所以我希望說我們法務部這邊是不是也可以針對這種違罪是不是他一定要處以這麼重的刑罰好像這個清潔隊員我覺得很多人都非常同情啊這個叫貪污 那貪污更重的逍遙法外的更多呀\n529367\t541549\t所以是不是部長 既然我剛才一開始就問你 你會不會寫辭職信 你說你會堅守崗位好 那我也希望人在公門好修行\n542935\t557377\t老講法務部這一年多來你的施政的這個其實是非常偏頗的啦你做了很多的司法的案件但是我覺得我們是不是也能夠苦民所苦我剛才講的這個兩個例子\n559661\t578032\t能不能在我們在法令上能做一些調整跟修正不要再出現像這樣子的一個小老百姓他也不懂他其實他也他那時候做的時候他也不曉得自己是犯罪但是呢卻要受到這樣的待遇部長可不可以就是我們\n579413\t594962\t尤其在這個司法的部分啊能夠讓我們真的是要保護好人而不是去懲戒這些這種其實違罪就不要讓他有面臨這麼重的相關的罰則好不好\n596203\t621243\t好 謝謝委員那委員關心的就是那個清潔隊員這一種的的確是清清法重那這部分我們保護部都很重視這個問題事實上我們已經把修正草案送給行政院審查那這部分我跟委員報告這個像這個小貪污這部分那貪污自衛條例12條第一項有修正減輕或免除其刑那減輕的話還得減到三分之二\n621943\t650613\t那我想這比較合乎到我們一個一個實際上的一個甚至可以免除疾險就不用管嘛那我想這個給法律你是修法嗎是修法好吧你可以把那個修法相關的那個你們的資料提供給我們辦公室一份好不好我覺得因為最近很多人跟我反映這個我自己也心有所感啊另外那個淘寶那個那是屬於衛福部的全職我知道這個那個我沒辦法去處理這個區塊\n651593\t667183\t好好好那這個我們會去跟衛福部但是這個衛福部這當然是要罰啦他這個他是有用但是兩年之後又跑過去還要給人家關一個晚上我覺得真的非常離譜啦好不好好謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席我請一下法務部長麻煩部長委員好部長好部長請問一下你這個禮拜會不會寫辭職信啊有沒有準備這個我想我每天坐在整個在推動我們這個業務的一個正常推動我想這個是一個\n你還是要堅守崗位目前要堅守崗位因為這兩天因為委員都很關心這個問題對 我很關心當然關心我們作為在野監督者當然關心因為院長\n說這個禮拜應該會完成整個的內閣改組那現在看起來呢可能要走的閣員都會主動寫個辭職信不想寫可能也被逼著要寫所以我才問您這句話所以應該這個禮拜你們有這個這個可能嘛\n謝謝 我很關心好 OK那請問一下就是我們現在討論的就是我們針對虐童不得假釋的部分我不曉得法務部的態度是什麼因為在之前我們針對凌虐幼兒致死那要處以最高可以處以死刑那那個時候是並沒有行政院版本我記得當時我們在做協調的時候那時候\n法务部还说会在一个月因为我们就是又被冷冻一个月那法务部还说会提出版本但是最后法务部并没有提出行政院版本那我想请问一下那有关于现在我们立法院很多委员都提案就是虐童致死也最高可以处无期徒刑而且不得假释这个部分法务部的态度是什么那么我们会有行政院的版本吗\n行政院的版本因為我們其實我們那時候說法務部的版本很快就提到已經提到去年就提到行政院那行政院已經五次的審查我想快要審訊了即將審訊已經到最後的一個階段了那再就會嫌立法院那個司法院就會送到行政院來做一個審議了那委員非常關心這個內統事實上這個內統是人審公分 田裡然農這個我想我們的理念都一致的那內統當然不能假設我們是我們是贊同的啊\n谢谢大家\n這個我們是贊同的那贊同會有版本嗎因為我為什麼特別講就是當時我們還特別協調然後冷凍一個月因為那時候我是覺得根本不要冷凍一個月可是因為當時你們說你們可以提出版本所以我們就等可是你們最後還是沒有提出版本而在立法院最後處理三讀通過的時候當時民進黨所有的委員通通投下反對票\n所有民進黨的委員通通投下反對票所以我們就不懂啦在這邊講說願意支持然後願意提版本在我們立法院院會三讀通過的時候民進黨又所有的委員通通投下反對票所以我們就不懂這個到底態度看起來態度就是堅決反對啊不然為什麼全部都投反對票還沒有開放投票喔\n好 所以我想請問一下您剛剛講說現在法務部已經有修法送到行政院所以基本上我們現在立法院我們幾位委員的提案我們法務部是支持的嗎這部分有些部分的因為這要配合回應那個113年宪判八字號的一個判決那也回應到民意\n那這邊我跟委員報告過了我們對這些天理人神共憤這些特殊重大暴力的犯罪包括這個286 刑犯286的這部分我們的立場我們是希望這部分這個不適用假釋的一個規定那我想這部分行政已經在最後是不是在等甚至剛才有委員提到說是不是要在辦公這個範圍的一個問題\n那我想這個286那這樣好不好因為當然我們這個會期也快要結束了那你們下會期可以送到立法院來嗎我們努力因為這個已經到最後的一個審查階段了對我真的覺得因為你不要每次都嘴巴上說同意然後呢最後都沒有那個行動而且那\n這個執政黨委員的投票的又變成反對所以這樣的話我們希望說能夠你們就直接在下個會期好不好能夠送進來我覺得很多的法案如果大家有一致就不需要為了對立因為我們說實在啦我們在這個會期尤其在大罷免之前太多只是為了反對而反對好像你再也講提什麼東西我即便是對的是對的你們也要反對反對到底\n所以我真的覺得這個部分剛才講就是我們如何防止孽兒而且針對凌虐幼兒致死的是大家都知道是凌容忍所以都應該去做我時間還有一點點對不起 到後面這個是我這幾天一直很想詢問的\n最近有幾個案件 其實呢 大家覺得很有感沒有錯 他們是觸犯了相關的法則但是呢 說實在 對一般人來講 那個都是很違罪我們常常在想說 你們法院也好 檢察官也好累積這麼大量案件 這麼多的詐欺案要辦還有你要辦這麼多的司法 這個政治的案件\n還有很多的案件 結果我們現在出現的一些法則第一個就是說有一個女子兩年前她在淘寶去買了棉花棒她是買了20包 20包一共480塊 480塊\n那他這個當然呢他是違反相關的就是這個你這個醫用型的這些不能夠進口超量那可能一般的人搞不清楚那好好他違法了那那時候呢也被沒收結果兩年後警方上門逮人而且把他拘留在看守所一個晚上買20包的\n棉花棒要被拘留在看守所一個晚上然後讓他繳十萬塊錢的罰款\n這樣的一個司法的行為其實我們覺得不解啦這樣可能任何人都可能觸法任何人都可能觸法好 另外一個案件貪污是不對的可是像這個清潔隊員他是把廢棄的家具他覺得這個家具人家覺得不要但是呢 他在這個資源回收的時候他覺得這個家具是堪用的\n他就把他呢送給了好友人他覺得很可惜\n結果依貪污罪起訴面臨五年以上有期徒刑大家都知道一旦是用貪污罪起訴就五年以上有期徒刑所以我要講就是說身在宮門好修行我們對於貪贓枉法違反法令的這個犯罪行為當然要打擊保護好人但是我講的這兩個例子我真的不覺得他們是壞人\n他們有 就是你買個棉花棒然後你要被到看守所還要住一晚 很多人都很害怕你知道嗎即便是這種一般人聽到警方上門就嚇死了然後現在讓他到看守所去然後罰20萬 對不起 罰10萬塊那這個有關於\n貪污 違罪貪污 在過去有好幾個案例所以我希望說我們法務部這邊是不是也可以針對這種違罪是不是他一定要處以這麼重的刑罰好像這個清潔隊員我覺得很多人都非常同情啊這個叫貪污 那貪污更重的逍遙法外的更多呀\n所以是不是部長 既然我剛才一開始就問你 你會不會寫辭職信 你說你會堅守崗位好 那我也希望人在公門好修行\n老講法務部這一年多來你的施政的這個其實是非常偏頗的啦你做了很多的司法的案件但是我覺得我們是不是也能夠苦民所苦我剛才講的這個兩個例子\n能不能在我們在法令上能做一些調整跟修正不要再出現像這樣子的一個小老百姓他也不懂他其實他也他那時候做的時候他也不曉得自己是犯罪但是呢卻要受到這樣的待遇部長可不可以就是我們\n尤其在這個司法的部分啊能夠讓我們真的是要保護好人而不是去懲戒這些這種其實違罪就不要讓他有面臨這麼重的相關的罰則好不好\n好 謝謝委員那委員關心的就是那個清潔隊員這一種的的確是清清法重那這部分我們保護部都很重視這個問題事實上我們已經把修正草案送給行政院審查那這部分我跟委員報告這個像這個小貪污這部分那貪污自衛條例12條第一項有修正減輕或免除其刑那減輕的話還得減到三分之二\n那我想這比較合乎到我們一個一個實際上的一個甚至可以免除疾險就不用管嘛那我想這個給法律你是修法嗎是修法好吧你可以把那個修法相關的那個你們的資料提供給我們辦公室一份好不好我覺得因為最近很多人跟我反映這個我自己也心有所感啊另外那個淘寶那個那是屬於衛福部的全職我知道這個那個我沒辦法去處理這個區塊\n好好好那這個我們會去跟衛福部但是這個衛福部這當然是要罰啦他這個他是有用但是兩年之後又跑過去還要給人家關一個晚上我覺得真的非常離譜啦好不好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.892 --> 00:32.266\n好謝謝主席我請一下法務部長麻煩部長委員好部長好部長請問一下你這個禮拜會不會寫辭職信啊有沒有準備這個我想我每天坐在整個在推動我們這個業務的一個正常推動我想這個是一個\n\n00:34.045 --> 00:37.927\n你還是要堅守崗位目前要堅守崗位因為這兩天因為委員都很關心這個問題對我很關心當然關心我們作為在野監督者當然關心因為院長\n\n00:50.852 --> 01:05.237\n說這個禮拜應該會完成整個的內閣改組那現在看起來呢可能要走的閣員都會主動寫個辭職信不想寫可能也被逼著要寫所以我才問您這句話所以應該這個禮拜你們有這個這個可能嘛\n\n01:07.103 --> 01:31.128\n謝謝我很關心好OK那請問一下就是我們現在討論的就是我們針對虐童不得假釋的部分我不曉得法務部的態度是什麼因為在之前我們針對凌虐幼兒致死那要處以最高可以處以死刑那那個時候是並沒有行政院版本我記得當時我們在做協調的時候那時候\n\n01:36.400 --> 02:03.991\n法务部还说会在一个月因为我们就是又被冷冻一个月那法务部还说会提出版本但是最后法务部并没有提出行政院版本那我想请问一下那有关于现在我们立法院很多委员都提案就是虐童致死也最高可以处无期徒刑而且不得假释这个部分法务部的态度是什么那么我们会有行政院的版本吗\n\n02:05.502 --> 02:34.621\n行政院的版本因為我們其實我們那時候說法務部的版本很快就提到已經提到去年就提到行政院那行政院已經五次的審查我想快要審訊了即將審訊已經到最後的一個階段了那再就會嫌立法院那個司法院就會送到行政院來做一個審議了那委員非常關心這個內統事實上這個內統是人審公分田裡然農這個我想我們的理念都一致的那內統當然不能假設我們是我們是贊同的啊\n\n02:34.701 --> 02:34.803\n谢谢大家\n\n02:35.462 --> 03:04.408\n這個我們是贊同的那贊同會有版本嗎因為我為什麼特別講就是當時我們還特別協調然後冷凍一個月因為那時候我是覺得根本不要冷凍一個月可是因為當時你們說你們可以提出版本所以我們就等可是你們最後還是沒有提出版本而在立法院最後處理三讀通過的時候當時民進黨所有的委員通通投下反對票\n\n03:05.388 --> 03:11.152\n所有民進黨的委員通通投下反對票所以我們就不懂啦在這邊講說願意支持然後願意提版本在我們立法院院會三讀通過的時候民進黨又所有的委員通通投下反對票所以我們就不懂這個到底態度看起來態度就是堅決反對啊不然為什麼全部都投反對票還沒有開放投票喔\n\n03:29.784 --> 03:54.258\n好所以我想請問一下您剛剛講說現在法務部已經有修法送到行政院所以基本上我們現在立法院我們幾位委員的提案我們法務部是支持的嗎這部分有些部分的因為這要配合回應那個113年宪判八字號的一個判決那也回應到民意\n\n03:55.138 --> 04:21.170\n那這邊我跟委員報告過了我們對這些天理人神共憤這些特殊重大暴力的犯罪包括這個286刑犯286的這部分我們的立場我們是希望這部分這個不適用假釋的一個規定那我想這部分行政已經在最後是不是在等甚至剛才有委員提到說是不是要在辦公這個範圍的一個問題\n\n04:23.351 --> 04:42.243\n那我想這個286那這樣好不好因為當然我們這個會期也快要結束了那你們下會期可以送到立法院來嗎我們努力因為這個已經到最後的一個審查階段了對我真的覺得因為你不要每次都嘴巴上說同意然後呢最後都沒有那個行動而且那\n\n04:44.585 --> 05:09.242\n這個執政黨委員的投票的又變成反對所以這樣的話我們希望說能夠你們就直接在下個會期好不好能夠送進來我覺得很多的法案如果大家有一致就不需要為了對立因為我們說實在啦我們在這個會期尤其在大罷免之前太多只是為了反對而反對好像你再也講提什麼東西我即便是對的是對的你們也要反對反對到底\n\n05:13.004 --> 05:31.378\n所以我真的覺得這個部分剛才講就是我們如何防止孽兒而且針對凌虐幼兒致死的是大家都知道是凌容忍所以都應該去做我時間還有一點點對不起到後面這個是我這幾天一直很想詢問的\n\n05:34.065 --> 06:00.282\n最近有幾個案件其實呢大家覺得很有感沒有錯他們是觸犯了相關的法則但是呢說實在對一般人來講那個都是很違罪我們常常在想說你們法院也好檢察官也好累積這麼大量案件這麼多的詐欺案要辦還有你要辦這麼多的司法這個政治的案件\n\n06:01.002 --> 06:13.435\n還有很多的案件結果我們現在出現的一些法則第一個就是說有一個女子兩年前她在淘寶去買了棉花棒她是買了20包20包一共480塊480塊\n\n06:19.782 --> 06:42.664\n那他這個當然呢他是違反相關的就是這個你這個醫用型的這些不能夠進口超量那可能一般的人搞不清楚那好好他違法了那那時候呢也被沒收結果兩年後警方上門逮人而且把他拘留在看守所一個晚上買20包的\n\n06:46.328 --> 06:51.095\n棉花棒要被拘留在看守所一個晚上然後讓他繳十萬塊錢的罰款\n\n06:54.881 --> 07:21.857\n這樣的一個司法的行為其實我們覺得不解啦這樣可能任何人都可能觸法任何人都可能觸法好另外一個案件貪污是不對的可是像這個清潔隊員他是把廢棄的家具他覺得這個家具人家覺得不要但是呢他在這個資源回收的時候他覺得這個家具是堪用的\n\n07:22.757 --> 07:26.682\n他就把他呢送給了好友人他覺得很可惜\n\n07:27.851 --> 07:56.630\n結果依貪污罪起訴面臨五年以上有期徒刑大家都知道一旦是用貪污罪起訴就五年以上有期徒刑所以我要講就是說身在宮門好修行我們對於貪贓枉法違反法令的這個犯罪行為當然要打擊保護好人但是我講的這兩個例子我真的不覺得他們是壞人\n\n07:58.051 --> 08:16.156\n他們有就是你買個棉花棒然後你要被到看守所還要住一晚很多人都很害怕你知道嗎即便是這種一般人聽到警方上門就嚇死了然後現在讓他到看守所去然後罰20萬對不起罰10萬塊那這個有關於\n\n08:20.882 --> 08:47.687\n貪污違罪貪污在過去有好幾個案例所以我希望說我們法務部這邊是不是也可以針對這種違罪是不是他一定要處以這麼重的刑罰好像這個清潔隊員我覺得很多人都非常同情啊這個叫貪污那貪污更重的逍遙法外的更多呀\n\n08:49.367 --> 09:01.549\n所以是不是部長既然我剛才一開始就問你你會不會寫辭職信你說你會堅守崗位好那我也希望人在公門好修行\n\n09:02.935 --> 09:17.377\n老講法務部這一年多來你的施政的這個其實是非常偏頗的啦你做了很多的司法的案件但是我覺得我們是不是也能夠苦民所苦我剛才講的這個兩個例子\n\n09:19.661 --> 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