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00:00:37,970\n還有台電鄭文森董事長市長以及鄭董事長這一次丹納斯颱風對於民眾的生活造成很大的災情跟衝擊我們看雲嘉南地區整個電線桿是倒了3000支以上造成90萬戶以上的民眾他們的電力供應中斷\n\n3\n00:00:40,197 --> 00:01:05,416\n現在我們這個電力中斷不只是停電也會造成停水因為自來水廠以及一般的大樓公寓等等的抽水機沒電就沒辦法抽水就會造成停水也會造成電信跟網路的中斷因為很多基地台也需要電力的相關的運作所以這對民眾生活\n\n4\n00:01:06,357 --> 00:01:20,605\n是衝擊非常的大那這一次我們編列了一百零二億的經費要做這個電線桿的地下化期程大約是兩年啦當然這個電線桿的地下化\n\n5\n00:01:21,585 --> 00:01:44,113\n對於防止風災的這個衝擊是有降低以及相關的一種作用但是因為我過去年輕的時候也在電氣行工作三年多也對這種電力的配置也略懂略懂那我要請教曾董事長像這樣的\n\n6\n00:01:45,765 --> 00:01:49,226\n地下化我們還是有幾個問題要處理像你變壓器的設置你日後的維護管理相關的流程要怎麼去做處理以及你的故障的時候你的故障點也比較難處理這個我們都要相關的資源跟配置另外就是排水的問題\n\n7\n00:02:08,832 --> 00:02:28,530\n因為你在低窪地區容易淹水的時候我們相關的台電面對這樣的一個處置我們必須要有資源要有人力要有相關的維護管理的流程來做這樣的一個電線桿地下化的這樣的一個前提的作業來董事長說明一下\n\n8\n00:02:30,205 --> 00:02:58,899\n报告委员您刚才讲的那个方向其实大的方向都对那我们总经理正好是这个方面的专业我可不可以让总经理给您回答总经理来说明一下报告委员地下化是我们整个在电网韧性计划里面的其中的一种解决方案也就是说当我地下化的时候可以减少风灾造成的一个伤害但是相对它也有它的一些缺点的部分就是您提到的\n\n9\n00:02:59,699 --> 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