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00:01:37,293\n系统的不稳定我们其实也针对了台湾进行我们也看到台湾进行降尺度分析之后未来的气候推估将会这样子的状况就会是干季越干湿季越湿状况会越来越糟糕高排放的情境之下湿季的降雨量可能会超过20%尤其是南部的地区增加是更为明显的\n\n5\n00:01:37,953 --> 00:02:00,074\n那在2023年呢其實我們把一個叫原本是溫室氣體減量級管理法更名為氣候變遷因應法這個法三讀通過之後呢除了把2050年進行排放正式納入目標之外還增訂了全新的氣候變遷條式篇章專章喔但是我們也看到就是說在幫我按下一頁好了沒有反應可以了\n\n6\n00:02:03,497 --> 00:02:29,838\n就是国家气候变迁条式行动计划目前已经在执行第三期从112年到115年会投入超过4116亿新台币但是我们发现根据立法院预算中心的报告以往灾害是一个独立的领域会整体的来去设计完整的防灾思维包含台风暴雨淹水等等但是这次却把灾害拆掉了理由是因为灾害只是气候变迁的一项结果\n\n7\n00:02:30,758 --> 00:02:53,143\n所以就把它分拆到其他的領域但是我們也看到就是說因為各個領域偏向於各自的目標也就是說水資源他可能就更專注於乾旱缺水產業用水確保供水穩定強化供水韌性但是像淹水這種水災就沒有被完整的納入防洪防淹水的措施就相對缺乏\n\n8\n00:02:53,703 --> 00:03:13,113\n所以呢我們想要了解就是說為何環境部只有認定災害警示氣候變遷的一個結果而不是需要一個完整的規劃因為在國際上面掀台減災這個框架呢是要明示災害風險管理是必須獨立的一個重要政策領域所以我想了解為什麼環境部會這樣子做\n\n9\n00:03:13,373 --> 00:03:37,709\n好謝謝委員因為我自己本身就是做這方面的研究過那其實這個調適是長的然後防災是短的所以在我們政府幾年前他們的定義裡面是就是把防災就防災的這個策略包含防災的體系其實我們國家這個很完整但是長的調適呢跟這個如何融合的確是現在的確是一個很大的一個問題那我有已經有要求我們同仁在下一個階段\n\n10\n00:03:38,590 --> 00:03:58,141\n要各個部會要來提調等於是說調試的報告的時候必須要有一個總和的一個概念來看這個事特別是像這次的天災我們也必須去檢討它是不是氣候變遷極端的調試我們要來預作準備所以我們的確在進行這個探究這個過程當中也希望大概在半年到一年內有一些初步的成果再跟委員報告\n\n11\n00:03:59,082 --> 00:04:17,648\n所以我想請教一下因為想特別提醒我們是不是會跟內政部還有災防中心縣市政府一起來重新檢視目前的這個你剛講的這個調適的計畫對這個很重要因為包含了這個所謂的極端的這個例如說降雨到多少我們要過什麼要準備可能要跟過去是不一樣了了解那聽起來也是會增加一些新的模型進來一起做分析對嗎對\n\n12\n00:04:19,088 --> 00:04:42,170\n好的那我想這個部分的話就是因為其實我想特別針對就是土地與都市規劃領域應該將氣候邊界納入這個環境性影響評估建立永續調適的制度這部分是不是內政部也可以一起來一起來努力一起來討論呢對可以也報告委員這個其實理想上都應該做但是真的落地落實上在政府各個部會要把調適放進去\n\n13\n00:04:43,471 --> 00:04:56,362\n的確是一個很大的難題那我們最近其實我上任其實我就想要做這個工作那當然這個需要一段時間那整個全部教育我們願意來做好了解謝謝那我們接下來有請教育部跟衛福部好教育部衛福部部長可以請回了教育部衛福部今天沒有練習喔OK好沒關係那就是教育部想教育部時間暫停一下時間暫停\n\n14\n00:05:23,308 --> 00:05:50,581\n委員好好謝謝部長那我簡單問兩個問題就是說針對於校園防疫就是因為現在可能我們在開學前都會要求一次的消毒而是因為現在在南部的地區西半部南部的地區他們有非常可能會有一些淹水積水的問題那是不是可以在開學之後呢還是有一些持續的去監管的一個措施可能去要求大家持續的消毒啦或是看一個積水的狀況去確保登革熱的疫情不會爆發是這個部分是不是可以請部長\n\n15\n00:05:52,165 --> 00:05:54,337\n根文報告事實上國教署在8月12號\n\n16\n00:05:57,512 --> 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