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00:02:42,853\n不是我的意思是說就像我們剛剛在講的圓玉這家廠商嘛他的光碟板被抽走被吹走他現在不處理嘛那如果最後啦環境部必須要幫他處理的話是可以用這筆錢嗎還是不行基本上不會所有的我們政府不會幫他出一毛錢那這個回收費用不是他繳的嗎他繳他大概只有繳幾年而已那幾年的費用呢可能部分那幾年的部分或許現在如果能源署認定的話就可以退回給他\n\n9\n00:02:43,413 --> 00:03:12,322\n又要重新開始如果說他要重新開始的話沒有到20年部分按照比例退給他所以這筆錢也可以當這個還是請能源署回答好不好因為他有繳一筆錢嘛這筆錢要先扣著嘛不然到時候你如果萬一他最後不給你錢政府如果幫他處理不給你錢然後這筆錢先扣著委員他現在他要去處理他都必須找處理的廠商去簽約那是他們自己的事情你現在大家講就是說他不處理假如他不處理\n\n10\n00:03:12,802 --> 00:03:35,556\n沒關係我先把我的問題問完等一下一起講啦好不好等一下一起講因為現在廠商就不處理你們現在就是用開罰單的方式嘛就是一張三百萬一張三百萬現在已經罰六百萬九百萬了委員現在是最後三十三十三個廠商只有現在最後一個對在旁邊那他呢已經被我們罰了總共九百萬九百萬嘛不是我部長我覺得很奇怪是政府都沒有更積極作為可以讓他來處理嗎\n\n11\n00:03:37,017 --> 00:03:55,626\n委員這是我們用盡非常積極的沒有問題一直講完了因為像這一家原育公司其實你去查你可以發現他們在台灣這個同一個負責人他有非常多的能源公司有包括一大堆像什麼盛群什麼東海而且資本額都不低有的還一億多\n\n12\n00:03:56,306 --> 00:04:12,693\n那這些廠商他勢必也要跟政府去申請他後續的光電啊或是暗場部分都沒有辦法跟這個負責人有比較強硬的手段去跟他講就要趕快處理嘛造成環境的問題這是我第一個問題因為今天主席控制時間比較精準第一個問題\n\n13\n00:04:13,894 --> 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