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00:02:03,615\n我昨天說過我們對花蓮這災區我們非常的感覺到痛心尤其對於罹難的人我們給最高的哀悼我們有七個順序要做第一個就是搶救生命一個就是恢復家園\n\n6\n00:02:05,034 --> 00:02:27,896\n第三個就是把這些垃圾要清掉第四個就是恢復它的環境跟交通這四個我們現在希望在中秋節以前能夠達到基本生活的正常那接下來的第五項就是對於農損房屋毀損還有公共設施毀損包括交通毀損我們全面性的展開重建的工作這個是重建的工作\n\n7\n00:02:28,877 --> 00:02:46,275\n再來一個第六個就是當這些補償都完成之後這種全面性的重建的復原工作要中央跟地方合力來完成這個完這個之後我們還有第七個就是那為什麼會發生這樣的災害我們一定要把原因找出來\n\n8\n00:02:47,520 --> 00:03:04,133\n在大自然底下我們認為做的有沒有疏失以利於未來我們還有其他煙色湖啊比方說我們在新竹尖石鄉還有一個太剛溪的煙色湖雖然不大但是我們還有很多煙色湖一定要用這次的經驗讓未來不會發生同樣的悲劇\n\n9\n00:03:05,506 --> 00:03:25,353\n好謝謝院長也希望現在災民最希望的就是希望政府可以給他們災民最大的實質上的補助我們會努力來做到像我們的前進協調所無論是剛開始的賴建信次長以及現在的紀連城政府都非常專心的投入我也希望能夠跟地方能夠取得充分的合作好謝謝\n\n10\n00:03:27,387 --> 00:03:45,240\n接下來針對今天的預算我想說Bency想要請問院長我們現在的年度的總預算難道已經無法因應國際的情勢的變動了嗎否則為什麼會需要特別提出這個預算案還有台美對等的關稅談判究竟結果是如何有什麼進展嗎\n\n11\n00:03:47,972 --> 00:04:17,155\n我記得去年520之前總統在跟我談未來工作的時候我們都同樣有想法總統也指示我們盡量不舉債盡量不編特別預算所以你看我們去年到現在除了以前年度編的特別預算我們沒有真的編特別預算這次是特別那我們也希望能夠不舉債但是因為我們支出實在是太多了稅數不夠所以我們一定要舉債那因為這次我們幾項的特別預算包括\n\n12\n00:04:18,032 --> 00:04:26,823\n今天討論的這個強化韌性這是因應國際情勢不得不這麼做另外我們的這個丹納斯颱風也不得不做特別的預算\n\n13\n00:04:28,471 --> 00:04:47,628\n這個都雖然違背我們過去一年多前的想法但是我們認為國際情勢在改變國內的情勢在改變而且災害的頻頻的發生我們必須要給人民更大的安心所以我們編了這個特別預算特別預算當中有的是沿用過去的年度的稅基剩餘有的必須再舉債\n\n14\n00:04:49,368 --> 00:05:10,399\n這個也已經不是我們原來的初衷的想法但是我們認為既然國家需要既然社會人民需要我們就這樣跟大院來取得支持之後我們還是秉持那種當用財用當用折用的這個原則我們會把每一筆預算每一分錢用到最需要而且我們會珍惜這樣的一個國家資源\n\n15\n00:05:12,388 --> 00:05:29,977\n因為院長這次其實從行政院提出的特別預算來看高達五千五百億當然涵蓋了很多的部會包括內政國防經濟還有農業醫療還有教育這些本來只是因為本來這個特別預算是要因應美國川普的總統\n\n16\n00:05:31,158 --> 00:05:49,599\n對台灣的加徵的關稅的經濟衝擊還有給全民普發一萬元以外但問題是現在也僅僅只有經濟預算還包括了國土安全韌性然後本席看了一下整個的預算書的內容發現因應關稅衝擊的支持產業的經濟韌性竟然只有780億元\n\n17\n00:05:51,201 --> 00:06:07,436\n而國土安全韌性卻高達到1500億元整個預算的主次顛倒表示行政院根本可能就沒有把因應對等關稅的衝擊放在第一位這如何提供產業充分的支持呢還有如何提升國際的競爭力呢\n\n18\n00:06:09,218 --> 00:06:35,680\n因為賴清德總統從就職開始就不斷地一直在強調國安的韌性但無論國家安全或者國土安全都是政府平常就應該要做的事情應該在每年的總預算中就要體現出來沒有理由需要編特別的預算那到現在有什麼就是重大威脅國土安全的事件嗎還是特別需要編列這個特別預算呢因為我們看了根據了整個預算法第83條的規定\n\n19\n00:06:37,381 --> 00:07:06,373\n特別預算只有在國防緊急設施或戰爭還有國家經濟重大變故還有重大的災變還有不定期或數年一次的重大的震勢這四個情況才能得以編列但是川普關稅的衝擊整個的是整個經濟毫無疑問的國家經濟重大的變故所以編列那請問這上面哪一項是國土安全韌性編列的1500億的特別預算的理由呢\n\n20\n00:07:06,833 --> 00:07:29,174\n在副部長答覆之前我先跟委員報告我們雖然支持產業有780億當中有180億是農業的支持另外我們有安定就業的150億我們還有照顧民生包括普發現金總共有3070億再加起來才是整個特別預算當中的大宗至於1500億的國土安全韌性這個部分請副部長來答覆\n\n21\n00:07:32,457 --> 00:07:46,702\n跟委員簡要報告我想我們六個案子裡面大概分兩大類一個就是自動電作業環境及設備的提升這是一大類另外一大類就是改善及強化各重要防衛設施並整建各式的庫儲設施\n\n22\n00:07:48,042 --> 00:08:10,768\n現在跟委員報告主要就是在於說我們的自動電作業環境跟設備的提升如果我們要按照一般的公務預算來編列的話都只能夠在維持各部隊的這些有關通識電設備還有核心管道的電路的更換跟指揮所內部電路的修繕等等這些例行性的工項所以我們如果要一次性的達成這個\n\n23\n00:08:12,648 --> 00:08:25,296\n多路的備援機動的部署跟快速恢復這樣子的一個能力的話我們需要有這樣子的一個一筆的預算然後我們快速的能夠形成戰力那有關那個\n\n24\n00:08:28,235 --> 00:08:50,863\n強化國土防衛能量的部分也是如此因為如果我們按照這個年度的這樣的預算來排列的話呢相關的這些預算的這個金額都只能夠做基本的維持沒有辦法一次性的快速的整建所以我們現在一定要快速來進行後備戰力改革還有回復一年級151的實戰化的訓練所以\n\n25\n00:08:52,463 --> 00:09:15,169\n各式的訓場要快速的整建那我們後續會有很多很多的新式的武器要進來所以庫儲的設施如果按照我們原來作業為職會來編的話那我們編的金額也是相當的低那沒有辦法一次性的把所有我們需要的彈藥的庫儲的設施做一次性的整建那剛才部長的意思是說這樣的話這一次的預算會編在武器上面嗎\n\n26\n00:09:16,289 --> 00:09:43,491\n這些預算會編在這上面嗎沒有編在武器上面它兩大類一個是資通電的部分然後這一個部分就是主要在建構備援機動跟韌性另外一大類就是整個的所謂的國土防衛能量這個包括訓場庫儲設施還有我們的戰備的存量打算要加倍然後要比如說所以這次的特別預算會不會編在武器上面這一次的特別預算沒有在武器裝備這個部分\n\n27\n00:09:45,782 --> 00:10:00,986\n也跟委員報告因為我們現在這是談判的過程內容我們不是關稅的談判我們著重的是對等關稅還有非關稅的貿易障礙還有貿易便捷化另外一個就是經濟安全\n\n28\n00:10:01,286 --> 00:10:16,565\n所以我們對於席產地違規轉運我們還是要做有效的防範不論是國防或海巡將來在這個部分都必須對我們的海域海疆做更多的資通信安全的保障也必須充實我們更多的能量也包括這個硬體的能量跟軟體的設備都一定要\n\n29\n00:10:17,426 --> 00:10:35,709\n提升起來我們才有辦法在經濟安全這個向下提升我們自己的力量防止稀產地防止這個違規轉移好那我再請問部長部長在這邊這有關強化國安韌性在內政部國防部還有農業部還有海洋委員會其實都有編了強化國土防衛能量的這些預算\n\n30\n00:10:36,750 --> 00:10:56,842\n當然賴清德總統在9月20號出席全社會防衛任性的國際論壇中他也有提出來說政府將具體的行動持續強化實力提升國防力量同時編列強化國土安全任性的預算但是我們回頭想一下我們歷年來的我們的萬安演習其實為什麼現在還停留在\n\n31\n00:10:57,242 --> 00:11:12,745\n街上停車進行形式化的交通人員的管制呢因為現在萬安演習其實是全台整個居民的合作應該要提高國安任性的重要的是一個實戰的演練初衷當然就是教育全民在面對\n\n32\n00:11:13,866 --> 00:11:37,299\n管事突發戰爭還是突然災害的時候我們大家要如何避難的自保但是長期以來都太流於形式了讓人民不把演習當認真甚至連政府有時候部門也會覺得說不要引起恐慌為理由然後把整個演習可能簡化了也可能把它壓縮了然後就變成一個例行的公司甚至變成一個\n\n33\n00:11:37,719 --> 00:12:03,695\n可能是變成一個年度的一個作秀的大戰所以我相對的我看了一個對應在我們跟我們比較好的鄰近的國家日本他的經驗他們的防災教育就是從小都養成了而且他們就是在全民的平常的基本的素養裡面日本把防災教育融入了學校也融入了社區也融入了工作場所和家庭都是有例行的防災的訓練還有備品的整個檢查\n\n34\n00:12:06,116 --> 00:12:27,478\n連在台灣最知名的櫻桃小丸子這樣的卡通其實我們都可以看到整個的演習的細節都會在卡通裡面都有呈現但是訪觀台灣我們不要說防災的知識可能教育不足甚至連資訊都更不足所以為什麼日本可以做到防災變成全民的DNA\n\n35\n00:12:28,038 --> 00:12:52,799\n但台灣卻永遠都在亡羊補牢是政府對災害避難的宣導不夠嗎還是根本沒有落實還是因為政府把這個平常應該花在刀口上面有效宣傳的防災避難的預算宣導這整個的費用會不會拿去了大內宣還是洋網軍呢因為我們從這一次花蓮這樣的整個災害的事件來看然後中央長期防災的\n\n36\n00:12:53,919 --> 00:13:08,107\n體系可能已經不足了尤其是演習教育落後的一個警訊所以國防部最近也發布了一個叫新版的全民國防手冊說當危機來的時候台灣全民安全的整個指引\n\n37\n00:13:08,887 --> 00:13:29,540\n當然未來規劃這個會每一個家家戶戶可能都會拿到這個指引但是然後呢政府到底為了人民做了些什麼什麼是可以有效的提升我們國安的韌性呢所以我們再看一下先進的這些國家其實在面對這整個一連串的複合性的災害不管是減災還有包括整個整備\n\n38\n00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:44,647\n都是一條邊的整個治理但是台灣在災防的資訊上面可能是無法整合所以發生的時候經常會讓民眾有時候陷入了生命財產風險的整個的疑慮像這一次的馬太安的艷澀湖的這個悲劇\n\n39\n00:13:46,028 --> 00:14:09,753\n可能就是一個非常具體的展現了所以災害防治還有後續的救災還有國土的防衛任性的這個整個責任絕對是中央政府的責任當然身為負責的執政者就應該為老百姓備妥這一整個的準備而不是讓人民在災難來的時候才學會怎麼樣去應對而且\n\n40\n00:14:10,453 --> 00:14:26,025\n不可以讓老百姓真的連避難所在哪裡都不知道也不知道到時候遇到這種情況的時候到底要跑到哪裡去躲其實災害是沒有畫面的所以我們也知道當它沒有畫面的時候其實每一個人思考\n\n41\n00:14:26,405 --> 00:14:41,281\n都是不一樣的那院長你知不知道現在全世界這幾年其實在災害的避難的宣導上面也都開始強調所謂的共同圖像因為有一個共同圖像背後才有共同語彙及共同的整個架構\n\n42\n00:14:42,142 --> 00:14:56,713\n因為這次我有看協助的花蓮災區的民眾加速整個家園的重建當然本席非常感謝這次國防部有投入全力執行救災其中有看到陸軍司令部首次也一個\n\n43\n00:14:57,453 --> 00:15:25,792\n對外公開一個叫做救災神器運用了TAK的部隊的覺知應用套印製的這個整個套件運用了TAK的手機於圖上標會災區的情形提供各級的部隊長及時回饋當前的需求整合救災整個資訊建立救災共同圖像所以我想說院長你知道現在執政團隊的各部會有整合救災或國安的共同圖像嗎因為這個是非常重要的\n\n44\n00:15:27,331 --> 00:15:39,224\n跟委員報告我想在我們這一次的韌性特別預算裡面其實就有一個居民共同圖像系統監偵能力案的一個建制所以我們會就海域的部分\n\n45\n00:16:36,715 --> 00:16:45,063\n好谢谢谢谢林一军委员咨询谢谢卓院长相关部会首长备询谢谢谢谢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n21068\t35923\t謝謝主席有請行政院長麻煩請卓院長備刑林委員好\n36977\t64259\t主委院長好其實在今天進入整個問題之前本席還是先幫我們花蓮人請命這一次馬太安艷澀湖的潰堤的整個悲劇給政府也是一個很大的警惕希望未來不要有這種遺憾的事情再發生所以希望針對這一次艷澀湖造成的災情我們大家還是同島迎命讓我們全民都可以看到政府守護人民的決心\n64839\t86196\t也希望中央和地方都能共同救災不分你我一起幫助災民渡過難關讓花蓮人民可以回歸正常的生活讓花蓮的觀光還有經濟都可以復甦因為畢竟災後這整個重建的工作是一個大的工作而且不能只是單靠志工還有這些地方政府的力量\n86696\t106355\t所以我們當然也知道中央有很多現在很多事情要處理的還有要面對的但是此時此刻對我們花蓮來說最希望的就是院長能給我們災民最快速的協助還有最實質的協助和補助趕緊讓花蓮的家園重建讓人民恢復正常的生活\n107843\t123615\t我昨天說過我們對花蓮這災區我們非常的感覺到痛心尤其對於罹難的人我們給最高的哀悼我們有七個順序要做第一個就是搶救生命一個就是恢復家園\n125034\t147896\t第三個就是把這些垃圾要清掉第四個就是恢復它的環境跟交通這四個我們現在希望在中秋節以前能夠達到基本生活的正常那接下來的第五項就是對於農損 房屋毀損還有公共設施毀損 包括交通毀損我們全面性的展開重建的工作這個是重建的工作\n148877\t166275\t再來一個第六個就是當這些補償都完成之後這種全面性的重建的復原工作要中央跟地方合力來完成這個完這個之後我們還有第七個就是那為什麼會發生這樣的災害我們一定要把原因找出來\n167520\t184133\t在大自然底下我們認為做的有沒有疏失以利於未來我們還有其他煙色湖啊比方說我們在新竹尖石鄉還有一個太剛溪的煙色湖雖然不大但是我們還有很多煙色湖一定要用這次的經驗讓未來不會發生同樣的悲劇\n185506\t205353\t好 謝謝院長也希望現在災民最希望的就是希望政府可以給他們災民最大的實質上的補助我們會努力來做到像我們的前進協調所無論是剛開始的賴建信次長以及現在的紀連城政府都非常專心的投入我也希望能夠跟地方能夠取得充分的合作好 謝謝\n207387\t225240\t接下來針對今天的預算我想說Bency想要請問院長我們現在的年度的總預算難道已經無法因應國際的情勢的變動了嗎否則為什麼會需要特別提出這個預算案還有台美對等的關稅談判究竟結果是如何有什麼進展嗎\n227972\t257155\t我記得去年520之前總統在跟我談未來工作的時候我們都同樣有想法總統也指示我們盡量不舉債盡量不編特別預算所以你看我們去年到現在除了以前年度編的特別預算我們沒有真的編特別預算這次是特別那我們也希望能夠不舉債但是因為我們支出實在是太多了稅數不夠所以我們一定要舉債那因為這次我們幾項的特別預算包括\n258032\t266823\t今天討論的這個強化韌性這是因應國際情勢不得不這麼做另外我們的這個丹納斯颱風也不得不做特別的預算\n268471\t287628\t這個都雖然違背我們過去一年多前的想法但是我們認為國際情勢在改變國內的情勢在改變而且災害的頻頻的發生我們必須要給人民更大的安心所以我們編了這個特別預算特別預算當中有的是沿用過去的年度的稅基剩餘有的必須再舉債\n289368\t310399\t這個也已經不是我們原來的初衷的想法但是我們認為既然國家需要既然社會人民需要我們就這樣跟大院來取得支持之後我們還是秉持那種當用財用當用折用的這個原則我們會把每一筆預算每一分錢用到最需要而且我們會珍惜這樣的一個國家資源\n312388\t329977\t因為院長這次其實從行政院提出的特別預算來看高達五千五百億當然涵蓋了很多的部會包括內政國防經濟還有農業醫療還有教育這些本來只是因為本來這個特別預算是要因應美國川普的總統\n331158\t349599\t對台灣的加徵的關稅的經濟衝擊還有給全民普發一萬元以外但問題是現在也僅僅只有經濟預算還包括了國土安全韌性然後本席看了一下整個的預算書的內容發現因應關稅衝擊的支持產業的經濟韌性竟然只有780億元\n351201\t367436\t而國土安全韌性卻高達到1500億元整個預算的主次顛倒表示行政院根本可能就沒有把因應對等關稅的衝擊放在第一位這如何提供產業充分的支持呢還有如何提升國際的競爭力呢\n369218\t395680\t因為賴清德總統從就職開始就不斷地一直在強調國安的韌性但無論國家安全或者國土安全都是政府平常就應該要做的事情應該在每年的總預算中就要體現出來沒有理由需要編特別的預算那到現在有什麼就是重大威脅國土安全的事件嗎還是特別需要編列這個特別預算呢因為我們看了根據了整個預算法第83條的規定\n397381\t426373\t特別預算只有在國防緊急設施或戰爭還有國家經濟重大變故還有重大的災變還有不定期或數年一次的重大的震勢這四個情況才能得以編列但是川普關稅的衝擊整個的是整個經濟毫無疑問的國家經濟重大的變故所以編列那請問這上面哪一項是國土安全韌性編列的1500億的特別預算的理由呢\n426833\t449174\t在副部長答覆之前我先跟委員報告我們雖然支持產業有780億當中有180億是農業的支持另外我們有安定就業的150億我們還有照顧民生包括普發現金總共有3070億再加起來才是整個特別預算當中的大宗至於1500億的國土安全韌性這個部分請副部長來答覆\n452457\t466702\t跟委員簡要報告我想我們六個案子裡面大概分兩大類一個就是自動電作業環境及設備的提升這是一大類另外一大類就是改善及強化各重要防衛設施並整建各式的庫儲設施\n468042\t490768\t現在跟委員報告主要就是在於說我們的自動電作業環境跟設備的提升如果我們要按照一般的公務預算來編列的話都只能夠在維持各部隊的這些有關通識電設備還有核心管道的電路的更換跟指揮所內部電路的修繕等等這些例行性的工項所以我們如果要一次性的達成這個\n492648\t505296\t多路的備援 機動的部署跟快速恢復這樣子的一個能力的話我們需要有這樣子的一個一筆的預算然後我們快速的能夠形成戰力那有關那個\n508235\t530863\t強化國土防衛能量的部分也是如此因為如果我們按照這個年度的這樣的預算來排列的話呢相關的這些預算的這個金額都只能夠做基本的維持沒有辦法一次性的快速的整建所以我們現在一定要快速來進行後備戰力改革還有回復一年級151的實戰化的訓練所以\n532463\t555169\t各式的訓場要快速的整建那我們後續會有很多很多的新式的武器要進來所以庫儲的設施如果按照我們原來作業為職會來編的話那我們編的金額也是相當的低那沒有辦法一次性的把所有我們需要的彈藥的庫儲的設施做一次性的整建那剛才部長的意思是說這樣的話這一次的預算會編在武器上面嗎\n556289\t583491\t這些預算會編在這上面嗎沒有 編在武器上面它兩大類一個是資通電的部分然後這一個部分就是主要在建構備援機動跟韌性另外一大類就是整個的所謂的國土防衛能量這個包括訓場 庫儲設施還有我們的戰備的存量打算要加倍然後要比如說所以這次的特別預算會不會編在武器上面這一次的特別預算沒有在武器裝備這個部分\n585782\t600986\t也跟委員報告因為我們現在這是談判的過程內容我們不是關稅的談判我們著重的是對等關稅還有非關稅的貿易障礙還有貿易便捷化另外一個就是經濟安全\n601286\t616565\t所以我們對於席產地違規轉運我們還是要做有效的防範不論是國防或海巡將來在這個部分都必須對我們的海域海疆做更多的資通信安全的保障也必須充實我們更多的能量也包括這個硬體的能量跟軟體的設備都一定要\n617426\t635709\t提升起來 我們才有辦法在經濟安全這個向下提升我們自己的力量防止稀產地 防止這個違規轉移好 那我再請問部長 部長在這邊這有關強化國安韌性在內政部 國防部還有農業部 還有海洋委員會其實都有編了強化國土防衛能量的這些預算\n636750\t656842\t當然賴清德總統在9月20號出席全社會防衛任性的國際論壇中他也有提出來說政府將具體的行動持續強化實力提升國防力量同時編列強化國土安全任性的預算但是我們回頭想一下我們歷年來的我們的萬安演習其實為什麼現在還停留在\n657242\t672745\t街上停車進行形式化的交通人員的管制呢因為現在萬安演習其實是全台整個居民的合作應該要提高國安任性的重要的是一個實戰的演練初衷當然就是教育全民在面對\n673866\t697299\t管事突發戰爭還是突然災害的時候我們大家要如何避難的自保但是長期以來都太流於形式了讓人民不把演習當認真甚至連政府有時候部門也會覺得說不要引起恐慌為理由然後把整個演習可能簡化了也可能把它壓縮了然後就變成一個例行的公司甚至變成一個\n697719\t723695\t可能是變成一個年度的一個作秀的大戰所以我相對的我看了一個對應在我們跟我們比較好的鄰近的國家日本他的經驗他們的防災教育就是從小都養成了而且他們就是在全民的平常的基本的素養裡面日本把防災教育融入了學校也融入了社區也融入了工作場所和家庭都是有例行的防災的訓練還有備品的整個檢查\n726116\t747478\t連在台灣最知名的櫻桃小丸子這樣的卡通其實我們都可以看到整個的演習的細節都會在卡通裡面都有呈現但是訪觀台灣我們不要說防災的知識可能教育不足甚至連資訊都更不足所以為什麼日本可以做到防災變成全民的DNA\n748038\t772799\t但台灣卻永遠都在亡羊補牢是政府對災害避難的宣導不夠嗎還是根本沒有落實還是因為政府把這個平常應該花在刀口上面有效宣傳的防災避難的預算宣導這整個的費用會不會拿去了大內宣還是洋網軍呢因為我們從這一次花蓮這樣的整個災害的事件來看然後中央長期防災的\n773919\t788107\t體系可能已經不足了尤其是演習教育落後的一個警訊所以國防部最近也發布了一個叫新版的全民國防手冊說當危機來的時候台灣全民安全的整個指引\n788887\t809540\t當然未來規劃這個會每一個家家戶戶可能都會拿到這個指引但是然後呢政府到底為了人民做了些什麼什麼是可以有效的提升我們國安的韌性呢所以我們再看一下先進的這些國家其實在面對這整個一連串的複合性的災害不管是減災還有包括整個整備\n810280\t824647\t都是一條邊的整個治理但是台灣在災防的資訊上面可能是無法整合所以發生的時候經常會讓民眾有時候陷入了生命財產風險的整個的疑慮像這一次的馬太安的艷澀湖的這個悲劇\n826028\t849753\t可能就是一個非常具體的展現了所以災害防治還有後續的救災還有國土的防衛任性的這個整個責任絕對是中央政府的責任當然身為負責的執政者就應該為老百姓備妥這一整個的準備而不是讓人民在災難來的時候才學會怎麼樣去應對而且\n850453\t866025\t不可以讓老百姓真的連避難所在哪裡都不知道也不知道到時候遇到這種情況的時候到底要跑到哪裡去躲其實災害是沒有畫面的所以我們也知道當它沒有畫面的時候其實每一個人思考\n866405\t881281\t都是不一樣的那院長你知不知道現在全世界這幾年其實在災害的避難的宣導上面也都開始強調所謂的共同圖像因為有一個共同圖像背後才有共同語彙及共同的整個架構\n882142\t896713\t因為這次我有看協助的花蓮災區的民眾加速整個家園的重建當然本席非常感謝這次國防部有投入全力執行救災其中有看到陸軍司令部首次也一個\n897453\t925792\t對外公開一個叫做救災神器運用了TAK的部隊的覺知應用套印製的這個整個套件運用了TAK的手機於圖上標會災區的情形提供各級的部隊長及時回饋當前的需求整合救災整個資訊建立救災共同圖像所以我想說院長你知道現在執政團隊的各部會有整合救災或國安的共同圖像嗎因為這個是非常重要的\n927331\t939224\t跟委員報告我想在我們這一次的韌性特別預算裡面其實就有一個居民共同圖像系統監偵能力案的一個建制所以我們會就海域的部分\n996715\t1005063\t好 谢谢谢谢林一军委员咨询谢谢卓院长相关部会首长备询谢谢谢谢\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請行政院長麻煩請卓院長備刑林委員好\n主委院長好其實在今天進入整個問題之前本席還是先幫我們花蓮人請命這一次馬太安艷澀湖的潰堤的整個悲劇給政府也是一個很大的警惕希望未來不要有這種遺憾的事情再發生所以希望針對這一次艷澀湖造成的災情我們大家還是同島迎命讓我們全民都可以看到政府守護人民的決心\n也希望中央和地方都能共同救災不分你我一起幫助災民渡過難關讓花蓮人民可以回歸正常的生活讓花蓮的觀光還有經濟都可以復甦因為畢竟災後這整個重建的工作是一個大的工作而且不能只是單靠志工還有這些地方政府的力量\n所以我們當然也知道中央有很多現在很多事情要處理的還有要面對的但是此時此刻對我們花蓮來說最希望的就是院長能給我們災民最快速的協助還有最實質的協助和補助趕緊讓花蓮的家園重建讓人民恢復正常的生活\n我昨天說過我們對花蓮這災區我們非常的感覺到痛心尤其對於罹難的人我們給最高的哀悼我們有七個順序要做第一個就是搶救生命一個就是恢復家園\n第三個就是把這些垃圾要清掉第四個就是恢復它的環境跟交通這四個我們現在希望在中秋節以前能夠達到基本生活的正常那接下來的第五項就是對於農損 房屋毀損還有公共設施毀損 包括交通毀損我們全面性的展開重建的工作這個是重建的工作\n再來一個第六個就是當這些補償都完成之後這種全面性的重建的復原工作要中央跟地方合力來完成這個完這個之後我們還有第七個就是那為什麼會發生這樣的災害我們一定要把原因找出來\n在大自然底下我們認為做的有沒有疏失以利於未來我們還有其他煙色湖啊比方說我們在新竹尖石鄉還有一個太剛溪的煙色湖雖然不大但是我們還有很多煙色湖一定要用這次的經驗讓未來不會發生同樣的悲劇\n好 謝謝院長也希望現在災民最希望的就是希望政府可以給他們災民最大的實質上的補助我們會努力來做到像我們的前進協調所無論是剛開始的賴建信次長以及現在的紀連城政府都非常專心的投入我也希望能夠跟地方能夠取得充分的合作好 謝謝\n接下來針對今天的預算我想說Bency想要請問院長我們現在的年度的總預算難道已經無法因應國際的情勢的變動了嗎否則為什麼會需要特別提出這個預算案還有台美對等的關稅談判究竟結果是如何有什麼進展嗎\n我記得去年520之前總統在跟我談未來工作的時候我們都同樣有想法總統也指示我們盡量不舉債盡量不編特別預算所以你看我們去年到現在除了以前年度編的特別預算我們沒有真的編特別預算這次是特別那我們也希望能夠不舉債但是因為我們支出實在是太多了稅數不夠所以我們一定要舉債那因為這次我們幾項的特別預算包括\n今天討論的這個強化韌性這是因應國際情勢不得不這麼做另外我們的這個丹納斯颱風也不得不做特別的預算\n這個都雖然違背我們過去一年多前的想法但是我們認為國際情勢在改變國內的情勢在改變而且災害的頻頻的發生我們必須要給人民更大的安心所以我們編了這個特別預算特別預算當中有的是沿用過去的年度的稅基剩餘有的必須再舉債\n這個也已經不是我們原來的初衷的想法但是我們認為既然國家需要既然社會人民需要我們就這樣跟大院來取得支持之後我們還是秉持那種當用財用當用折用的這個原則我們會把每一筆預算每一分錢用到最需要而且我們會珍惜這樣的一個國家資源\n因為院長這次其實從行政院提出的特別預算來看高達五千五百億當然涵蓋了很多的部會包括內政國防經濟還有農業醫療還有教育這些本來只是因為本來這個特別預算是要因應美國川普的總統\n對台灣的加徵的關稅的經濟衝擊還有給全民普發一萬元以外但問題是現在也僅僅只有經濟預算還包括了國土安全韌性然後本席看了一下整個的預算書的內容發現因應關稅衝擊的支持產業的經濟韌性竟然只有780億元\n而國土安全韌性卻高達到1500億元整個預算的主次顛倒表示行政院根本可能就沒有把因應對等關稅的衝擊放在第一位這如何提供產業充分的支持呢還有如何提升國際的競爭力呢\n因為賴清德總統從就職開始就不斷地一直在強調國安的韌性但無論國家安全或者國土安全都是政府平常就應該要做的事情應該在每年的總預算中就要體現出來沒有理由需要編特別的預算那到現在有什麼就是重大威脅國土安全的事件嗎還是特別需要編列這個特別預算呢因為我們看了根據了整個預算法第83條的規定\n特別預算只有在國防緊急設施或戰爭還有國家經濟重大變故還有重大的災變還有不定期或數年一次的重大的震勢這四個情況才能得以編列但是川普關稅的衝擊整個的是整個經濟毫無疑問的國家經濟重大的變故所以編列那請問這上面哪一項是國土安全韌性編列的1500億的特別預算的理由呢\n在副部長答覆之前我先跟委員報告我們雖然支持產業有780億當中有180億是農業的支持另外我們有安定就業的150億我們還有照顧民生包括普發現金總共有3070億再加起來才是整個特別預算當中的大宗至於1500億的國土安全韌性這個部分請副部長來答覆\n跟委員簡要報告我想我們六個案子裡面大概分兩大類一個就是自動電作業環境及設備的提升這是一大類另外一大類就是改善及強化各重要防衛設施並整建各式的庫儲設施\n現在跟委員報告主要就是在於說我們的自動電作業環境跟設備的提升如果我們要按照一般的公務預算來編列的話都只能夠在維持各部隊的這些有關通識電設備還有核心管道的電路的更換跟指揮所內部電路的修繕等等這些例行性的工項所以我們如果要一次性的達成這個\n多路的備援 機動的部署跟快速恢復這樣子的一個能力的話我們需要有這樣子的一個一筆的預算然後我們快速的能夠形成戰力那有關那個\n強化國土防衛能量的部分也是如此因為如果我們按照這個年度的這樣的預算來排列的話呢相關的這些預算的這個金額都只能夠做基本的維持沒有辦法一次性的快速的整建所以我們現在一定要快速來進行後備戰力改革還有回復一年級151的實戰化的訓練所以\n各式的訓場要快速的整建那我們後續會有很多很多的新式的武器要進來所以庫儲的設施如果按照我們原來作業為職會來編的話那我們編的金額也是相當的低那沒有辦法一次性的把所有我們需要的彈藥的庫儲的設施做一次性的整建那剛才部長的意思是說這樣的話這一次的預算會編在武器上面嗎\n這些預算會編在這上面嗎沒有 編在武器上面它兩大類一個是資通電的部分然後這一個部分就是主要在建構備援機動跟韌性另外一大類就是整個的所謂的國土防衛能量這個包括訓場 庫儲設施還有我們的戰備的存量打算要加倍然後要比如說所以這次的特別預算會不會編在武器上面這一次的特別預算沒有在武器裝備這個部分\n也跟委員報告因為我們現在這是談判的過程內容我們不是關稅的談判我們著重的是對等關稅還有非關稅的貿易障礙還有貿易便捷化另外一個就是經濟安全\n所以我們對於席產地違規轉運我們還是要做有效的防範不論是國防或海巡將來在這個部分都必須對我們的海域海疆做更多的資通信安全的保障也必須充實我們更多的能量也包括這個硬體的能量跟軟體的設備都一定要\n提升起來 我們才有辦法在經濟安全這個向下提升我們自己的力量防止稀產地 防止這個違規轉移好 那我再請問部長 部長在這邊這有關強化國安韌性在內政部 國防部還有農業部 還有海洋委員會其實都有編了強化國土防衛能量的這些預算\n當然賴清德總統在9月20號出席全社會防衛任性的國際論壇中他也有提出來說政府將具體的行動持續強化實力提升國防力量同時編列強化國土安全任性的預算但是我們回頭想一下我們歷年來的我們的萬安演習其實為什麼現在還停留在\n街上停車進行形式化的交通人員的管制呢因為現在萬安演習其實是全台整個居民的合作應該要提高國安任性的重要的是一個實戰的演練初衷當然就是教育全民在面對\n管事突發戰爭還是突然災害的時候我們大家要如何避難的自保但是長期以來都太流於形式了讓人民不把演習當認真甚至連政府有時候部門也會覺得說不要引起恐慌為理由然後把整個演習可能簡化了也可能把它壓縮了然後就變成一個例行的公司甚至變成一個\n可能是變成一個年度的一個作秀的大戰所以我相對的我看了一個對應在我們跟我們比較好的鄰近的國家日本他的經驗他們的防災教育就是從小都養成了而且他們就是在全民的平常的基本的素養裡面日本把防災教育融入了學校也融入了社區也融入了工作場所和家庭都是有例行的防災的訓練還有備品的整個檢查\n連在台灣最知名的櫻桃小丸子這樣的卡通其實我們都可以看到整個的演習的細節都會在卡通裡面都有呈現但是訪觀台灣我們不要說防災的知識可能教育不足甚至連資訊都更不足所以為什麼日本可以做到防災變成全民的DNA\n但台灣卻永遠都在亡羊補牢是政府對災害避難的宣導不夠嗎還是根本沒有落實還是因為政府把這個平常應該花在刀口上面有效宣傳的防災避難的預算宣導這整個的費用會不會拿去了大內宣還是洋網軍呢因為我們從這一次花蓮這樣的整個災害的事件來看然後中央長期防災的\n體系可能已經不足了尤其是演習教育落後的一個警訊所以國防部最近也發布了一個叫新版的全民國防手冊說當危機來的時候台灣全民安全的整個指引\n當然未來規劃這個會每一個家家戶戶可能都會拿到這個指引但是然後呢政府到底為了人民做了些什麼什麼是可以有效的提升我們國安的韌性呢所以我們再看一下先進的這些國家其實在面對這整個一連串的複合性的災害不管是減災還有包括整個整備\n都是一條邊的整個治理但是台灣在災防的資訊上面可能是無法整合所以發生的時候經常會讓民眾有時候陷入了生命財產風險的整個的疑慮像這一次的馬太安的艷澀湖的這個悲劇\n可能就是一個非常具體的展現了所以災害防治還有後續的救災還有國土的防衛任性的這個整個責任絕對是中央政府的責任當然身為負責的執政者就應該為老百姓備妥這一整個的準備而不是讓人民在災難來的時候才學會怎麼樣去應對而且\n不可以讓老百姓真的連避難所在哪裡都不知道也不知道到時候遇到這種情況的時候到底要跑到哪裡去躲其實災害是沒有畫面的所以我們也知道當它沒有畫面的時候其實每一個人思考\n都是不一樣的那院長你知不知道現在全世界這幾年其實在災害的避難的宣導上面也都開始強調所謂的共同圖像因為有一個共同圖像背後才有共同語彙及共同的整個架構\n因為這次我有看協助的花蓮災區的民眾加速整個家園的重建當然本席非常感謝這次國防部有投入全力執行救災其中有看到陸軍司令部首次也一個\n對外公開一個叫做救災神器運用了TAK的部隊的覺知應用套印製的這個整個套件運用了TAK的手機於圖上標會災區的情形提供各級的部隊長及時回饋當前的需求整合救災整個資訊建立救災共同圖像所以我想說院長你知道現在執政團隊的各部會有整合救災或國安的共同圖像嗎因為這個是非常重要的\n跟委員報告我想在我們這一次的韌性特別預算裡面其實就有一個居民共同圖像系統監偵能力案的一個建制所以我們會就海域的部分\n好 谢谢谢谢林一军委员咨询谢谢卓院长相关部会首长备询谢谢谢谢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:21.068 --> 00:35.923\n謝謝主席有請行政院長麻煩請卓院長備刑林委員好\n\n00:36.977 --> 01:04.259\n主委院長好其實在今天進入整個問題之前本席還是先幫我們花蓮人請命這一次馬太安艷澀湖的潰堤的整個悲劇給政府也是一個很大的警惕希望未來不要有這種遺憾的事情再發生所以希望針對這一次艷澀湖造成的災情我們大家還是同島迎命讓我們全民都可以看到政府守護人民的決心\n\n01:04.839 --> 01:26.196\n也希望中央和地方都能共同救災不分你我一起幫助災民渡過難關讓花蓮人民可以回歸正常的生活讓花蓮的觀光還有經濟都可以復甦因為畢竟災後這整個重建的工作是一個大的工作而且不能只是單靠志工還有這些地方政府的力量\n\n01:26.696 --> 01:46.355\n所以我們當然也知道中央有很多現在很多事情要處理的還有要面對的但是此時此刻對我們花蓮來說最希望的就是院長能給我們災民最快速的協助還有最實質的協助和補助趕緊讓花蓮的家園重建讓人民恢復正常的生活\n\n01:47.843 --> 02:03.615\n我昨天說過我們對花蓮這災區我們非常的感覺到痛心尤其對於罹難的人我們給最高的哀悼我們有七個順序要做第一個就是搶救生命一個就是恢復家園\n\n02:05.034 --> 02:27.896\n第三個就是把這些垃圾要清掉第四個就是恢復它的環境跟交通這四個我們現在希望在中秋節以前能夠達到基本生活的正常那接下來的第五項就是對於農損房屋毀損還有公共設施毀損包括交通毀損我們全面性的展開重建的工作這個是重建的工作\n\n02:28.877 --> 02:46.275\n再來一個第六個就是當這些補償都完成之後這種全面性的重建的復原工作要中央跟地方合力來完成這個完這個之後我們還有第七個就是那為什麼會發生這樣的災害我們一定要把原因找出來\n\n02:47.520 --> 03:04.133\n在大自然底下我們認為做的有沒有疏失以利於未來我們還有其他煙色湖啊比方說我們在新竹尖石鄉還有一個太剛溪的煙色湖雖然不大但是我們還有很多煙色湖一定要用這次的經驗讓未來不會發生同樣的悲劇\n\n03:05.506 --> 03:25.353\n好謝謝院長也希望現在災民最希望的就是希望政府可以給他們災民最大的實質上的補助我們會努力來做到像我們的前進協調所無論是剛開始的賴建信次長以及現在的紀連城政府都非常專心的投入我也希望能夠跟地方能夠取得充分的合作好謝謝\n\n03:27.387 --> 03:45.240\n接下來針對今天的預算我想說Bency想要請問院長我們現在的年度的總預算難道已經無法因應國際的情勢的變動了嗎否則為什麼會需要特別提出這個預算案還有台美對等的關稅談判究竟結果是如何有什麼進展嗎\n\n03:47.972 --> 04:17.155\n我記得去年520之前總統在跟我談未來工作的時候我們都同樣有想法總統也指示我們盡量不舉債盡量不編特別預算所以你看我們去年到現在除了以前年度編的特別預算我們沒有真的編特別預算這次是特別那我們也希望能夠不舉債但是因為我們支出實在是太多了稅數不夠所以我們一定要舉債那因為這次我們幾項的特別預算包括\n\n04:18.032 --> 04:26.823\n今天討論的這個強化韌性這是因應國際情勢不得不這麼做另外我們的這個丹納斯颱風也不得不做特別的預算\n\n04:28.471 --> 04:47.628\n這個都雖然違背我們過去一年多前的想法但是我們認為國際情勢在改變國內的情勢在改變而且災害的頻頻的發生我們必須要給人民更大的安心所以我們編了這個特別預算特別預算當中有的是沿用過去的年度的稅基剩餘有的必須再舉債\n\n04:49.368 --> 05:10.399\n這個也已經不是我們原來的初衷的想法但是我們認為既然國家需要既然社會人民需要我們就這樣跟大院來取得支持之後我們還是秉持那種當用財用當用折用的這個原則我們會把每一筆預算每一分錢用到最需要而且我們會珍惜這樣的一個國家資源\n\n05:12.388 --> 05:29.977\n因為院長這次其實從行政院提出的特別預算來看高達五千五百億當然涵蓋了很多的部會包括內政國防經濟還有農業醫療還有教育這些本來只是因為本來這個特別預算是要因應美國川普的總統\n\n05:31.158 --> 05:49.599\n對台灣的加徵的關稅的經濟衝擊還有給全民普發一萬元以外但問題是現在也僅僅只有經濟預算還包括了國土安全韌性然後本席看了一下整個的預算書的內容發現因應關稅衝擊的支持產業的經濟韌性竟然只有780億元\n\n05:51.201 --> 06:07.436\n而國土安全韌性卻高達到1500億元整個預算的主次顛倒表示行政院根本可能就沒有把因應對等關稅的衝擊放在第一位這如何提供產業充分的支持呢還有如何提升國際的競爭力呢\n\n06:09.218 --> 06:35.680\n因為賴清德總統從就職開始就不斷地一直在強調國安的韌性但無論國家安全或者國土安全都是政府平常就應該要做的事情應該在每年的總預算中就要體現出來沒有理由需要編特別的預算那到現在有什麼就是重大威脅國土安全的事件嗎還是特別需要編列這個特別預算呢因為我們看了根據了整個預算法第83條的規定\n\n06:37.381 --> 07:06.373\n特別預算只有在國防緊急設施或戰爭還有國家經濟重大變故還有重大的災變還有不定期或數年一次的重大的震勢這四個情況才能得以編列但是川普關稅的衝擊整個的是整個經濟毫無疑問的國家經濟重大的變故所以編列那請問這上面哪一項是國土安全韌性編列的1500億的特別預算的理由呢\n\n07:06.833 --> 07:29.174\n在副部長答覆之前我先跟委員報告我們雖然支持產業有780億當中有180億是農業的支持另外我們有安定就業的150億我們還有照顧民生包括普發現金總共有3070億再加起來才是整個特別預算當中的大宗至於1500億的國土安全韌性這個部分請副部長來答覆\n\n07:32.457 --> 07:46.702\n跟委員簡要報告我想我們六個案子裡面大概分兩大類一個就是自動電作業環境及設備的提升這是一大類另外一大類就是改善及強化各重要防衛設施並整建各式的庫儲設施\n\n07:48.042 --> 08:10.768\n現在跟委員報告主要就是在於說我們的自動電作業環境跟設備的提升如果我們要按照一般的公務預算來編列的話都只能夠在維持各部隊的這些有關通識電設備還有核心管道的電路的更換跟指揮所內部電路的修繕等等這些例行性的工項所以我們如果要一次性的達成這個\n\n08:12.648 --> 08:25.296\n多路的備援機動的部署跟快速恢復這樣子的一個能力的話我們需要有這樣子的一個一筆的預算然後我們快速的能夠形成戰力那有關那個\n\n08:28.235 --> 08:50.863\n強化國土防衛能量的部分也是如此因為如果我們按照這個年度的這樣的預算來排列的話呢相關的這些預算的這個金額都只能夠做基本的維持沒有辦法一次性的快速的整建所以我們現在一定要快速來進行後備戰力改革還有回復一年級151的實戰化的訓練所以\n\n08:52.463 --> 09:15.169\n各式的訓場要快速的整建那我們後續會有很多很多的新式的武器要進來所以庫儲的設施如果按照我們原來作業為職會來編的話那我們編的金額也是相當的低那沒有辦法一次性的把所有我們需要的彈藥的庫儲的設施做一次性的整建那剛才部長的意思是說這樣的話這一次的預算會編在武器上面嗎\n\n09:16.289 --> 09:43.491\n這些預算會編在這上面嗎沒有編在武器上面它兩大類一個是資通電的部分然後這一個部分就是主要在建構備援機動跟韌性另外一大類就是整個的所謂的國土防衛能量這個包括訓場庫儲設施還有我們的戰備的存量打算要加倍然後要比如說所以這次的特別預算會不會編在武器上面這一次的特別預算沒有在武器裝備這個部分\n\n09:45.782 --> 10:00.986\n也跟委員報告因為我們現在這是談判的過程內容我們不是關稅的談判我們著重的是對等關稅還有非關稅的貿易障礙還有貿易便捷化另外一個就是經濟安全\n\n10:01.286 --> 10:16.565\n所以我們對於席產地違規轉運我們還是要做有效的防範不論是國防或海巡將來在這個部分都必須對我們的海域海疆做更多的資通信安全的保障也必須充實我們更多的能量也包括這個硬體的能量跟軟體的設備都一定要\n\n10:17.426 --> 10:35.709\n提升起來我們才有辦法在經濟安全這個向下提升我們自己的力量防止稀產地防止這個違規轉移好那我再請問部長部長在這邊這有關強化國安韌性在內政部國防部還有農業部還有海洋委員會其實都有編了強化國土防衛能量的這些預算\n\n10:36.750 --> 10:56.842\n當然賴清德總統在9月20號出席全社會防衛任性的國際論壇中他也有提出來說政府將具體的行動持續強化實力提升國防力量同時編列強化國土安全任性的預算但是我們回頭想一下我們歷年來的我們的萬安演習其實為什麼現在還停留在\n\n10:57.242 --> 11:12.745\n街上停車進行形式化的交通人員的管制呢因為現在萬安演習其實是全台整個居民的合作應該要提高國安任性的重要的是一個實戰的演練初衷當然就是教育全民在面對\n\n11:13.866 --> 11:37.299\n管事突發戰爭還是突然災害的時候我們大家要如何避難的自保但是長期以來都太流於形式了讓人民不把演習當認真甚至連政府有時候部門也會覺得說不要引起恐慌為理由然後把整個演習可能簡化了也可能把它壓縮了然後就變成一個例行的公司甚至變成一個\n\n11:37.719 --> 12:03.695\n可能是變成一個年度的一個作秀的大戰所以我相對的我看了一個對應在我們跟我們比較好的鄰近的國家日本他的經驗他們的防災教育就是從小都養成了而且他們就是在全民的平常的基本的素養裡面日本把防災教育融入了學校也融入了社區也融入了工作場所和家庭都是有例行的防災的訓練還有備品的整個檢查\n\n12:06.116 --> 12:27.478\n連在台灣最知名的櫻桃小丸子這樣的卡通其實我們都可以看到整個的演習的細節都會在卡通裡面都有呈現但是訪觀台灣我們不要說防災的知識可能教育不足甚至連資訊都更不足所以為什麼日本可以做到防災變成全民的DNA\n\n12:28.038 --> 12:52.799\n但台灣卻永遠都在亡羊補牢是政府對災害避難的宣導不夠嗎還是根本沒有落實還是因為政府把這個平常應該花在刀口上面有效宣傳的防災避難的預算宣導這整個的費用會不會拿去了大內宣還是洋網軍呢因為我們從這一次花蓮這樣的整個災害的事件來看然後中央長期防災的\n\n12:53.919 --> 13:08.107\n體系可能已經不足了尤其是演習教育落後的一個警訊所以國防部最近也發布了一個叫新版的全民國防手冊說當危機來的時候台灣全民安全的整個指引\n\n13:08.887 --> 13:29.540\n當然未來規劃這個會每一個家家戶戶可能都會拿到這個指引但是然後呢政府到底為了人民做了些什麼什麼是可以有效的提升我們國安的韌性呢所以我們再看一下先進的這些國家其實在面對這整個一連串的複合性的災害不管是減災還有包括整個整備\n\n13:30.280 --> 13:44.647\n都是一條邊的整個治理但是台灣在災防的資訊上面可能是無法整合所以發生的時候經常會讓民眾有時候陷入了生命財產風險的整個的疑慮像這一次的馬太安的艷澀湖的這個悲劇\n\n13:46.028 --> 14:09.753\n可能就是一個非常具體的展現了所以災害防治還有後續的救災還有國土的防衛任性的這個整個責任絕對是中央政府的責任當然身為負責的執政者就應該為老百姓備妥這一整個的準備而不是讓人民在災難來的時候才學會怎麼樣去應對而且\n\n14:10.453 --> 14:26.025\n不可以讓老百姓真的連避難所在哪裡都不知道也不知道到時候遇到這種情況的時候到底要跑到哪裡去躲其實災害是沒有畫面的所以我們也知道當它沒有畫面的時候其實每一個人思考\n\n14:26.405 --> 14:41.281\n都是不一樣的那院長你知不知道現在全世界這幾年其實在災害的避難的宣導上面也都開始強調所謂的共同圖像因為有一個共同圖像背後才有共同語彙及共同的整個架構\n\n14:42.142 --> 14:56.713\n因為這次我有看協助的花蓮災區的民眾加速整個家園的重建當然本席非常感謝這次國防部有投入全力執行救災其中有看到陸軍司令部首次也一個\n\n14:57.453 --> 15:25.792\n對外公開一個叫做救災神器運用了TAK的部隊的覺知應用套印製的這個整個套件運用了TAK的手機於圖上標會災區的情形提供各級的部隊長及時回饋當前的需求整合救災整個資訊建立救災共同圖像所以我想說院長你知道現在執政團隊的各部會有整合救災或國安的共同圖像嗎因為這個是非常重要的\n\n15:27.331 --> 15:39.224\n跟委員報告我想在我們這一次的韌性特別預算裡面其實就有一個居民共同圖像系統監偵能力案的一個建制所以我們會就海域的部分\n\n16:36.715 --> 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機動的部署跟快速恢復這樣子的一個能力的話我們需要有這樣子的一個一筆的預算然後我們快速的能夠形成戰力那有關那個"},{"start":508.235,"end":530.863,"text":"強化國土防衛能量的部分也是如此因為如果我們按照這個年度的這樣的預算來排列的話呢相關的這些預算的這個金額都只能夠做基本的維持沒有辦法一次性的快速的整建所以我們現在一定要快速來進行後備戰力改革還有回復一年級151的實戰化的訓練所以"},{"start":532.463,"end":555.169,"text":"各式的訓場要快速的整建那我們後續會有很多很多的新式的武器要進來所以庫儲的設施如果按照我們原來作業為職會來編的話那我們編的金額也是相當的低那沒有辦法一次性的把所有我們需要的彈藥的庫儲的設施做一次性的整建那剛才部長的意思是說這樣的話這一次的預算會編在武器上面嗎"},{"start":556.289,"end":583.491,"text":"這些預算會編在這上面嗎沒有 編在武器上面它兩大類一個是資通電的部分然後這一個部分就是主要在建構備援機動跟韌性另外一大類就是整個的所謂的國土防衛能量這個包括訓場 庫儲設施還有我們的戰備的存量打算要加倍然後要比如說所以這次的特別預算會不會編在武器上面這一次的特別預算沒有在武器裝備這個部分"},{"start":585.782,"end":600.986,"text":"也跟委員報告因為我們現在這是談判的過程內容我們不是關稅的談判我們著重的是對等關稅還有非關稅的貿易障礙還有貿易便捷化另外一個就是經濟安全"},{"start":601.286,"end":616.565,"text":"所以我們對於席產地違規轉運我們還是要做有效的防範不論是國防或海巡將來在這個部分都必須對我們的海域海疆做更多的資通信安全的保障也必須充實我們更多的能量也包括這個硬體的能量跟軟體的設備都一定要"},{"start":617.426,"end":635.709,"text":"提升起來 我們才有辦法在經濟安全這個向下提升我們自己的力量防止稀產地 防止這個違規轉移好 那我再請問部長 部長在這邊這有關強化國安韌性在內政部 國防部還有農業部 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谢谢谢谢林一军委员咨询谢谢卓院长相关部会首长备询谢谢谢谢"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":911,"blocks":[["林委員憶君：（11時43分）謝謝主席，有請行政院長。"],["主席：麻煩請卓院長備詢。"],["卓院長榮泰：林委員好。"],["林委員憶君：卓院長好。在進入今天整個問題之前，本席還是要先幫我們花蓮人請命，這一次馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰堤的整個悲劇，給政府一個很大的警惕，希望未來不要再有這種遺憾的事情發生，所以針對這一次堰塞湖所造成的災情，我們大家還是同島一命，讓全民都可以看到政府守護人民的決心，也希望中央和地方都能共同救災，不分你我，一起幫助災民度過難關，讓花蓮人民可以回歸正常生活，讓花蓮的觀光還有經濟都可以復甦。但畢竟災後整個重建工作是一個大工程，不能只是單靠志工還有地方政府的力量，我們當然也知道中央現在有很多要處理還有面對的事情，但此時此刻對我們花蓮來說，最希望的就是院長能給予我們災民最快速及最實質的協助和補助，趕緊讓花蓮的家園重建，讓人民恢復正常的生活。"],["卓院長榮泰：好。我昨天說過，對於花蓮這次的災區我們感覺到非常痛心，尤其對於罹難的人我們給予最高的哀悼。我們有7個順序要做，第1個是搶救生命，第2個是恢復家園，第3個是把這些垃圾清掉，第4個是恢復它的環境跟交通，這4個我們希望在中秋節以前能夠達到基本生活的正常。接下來的第5項就是對於農損、房屋毀損，還有公共設施毀損，包括交通毀損的，我們全面性的展開重建的工作。再來是第6個，當這些補償都完成之後，全面性重建的復原工作要中央跟地方合力來完成。這個之後我們還有第7個，就是為什麼會發生這樣的災害，我們一定要把原因找出來，在大自然底下，我們人為做的有沒有疏失，以利於未來……我們還有其他堰塞湖啊！比方說我們在新竹尖石鄉還有一個泰崗溪的堰塞湖，雖然不大，但是我們還有很多堰塞湖，一定要用這次的經驗，讓未來不會發生同樣的悲劇。"],["林委員憶君：好，謝謝院長，現在災民最希望的，就是希望政府可以給他們災民最大的、實質上的補助。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們會努力來做到，像我們的前進協調所，無論是剛開始的賴建信次長，以及現在的季連成政委，都非常專心的投入，我也希望能夠跟地方取得充分的合作。"],["林委員憶君：好，謝謝。接下來針對今天的預算，本席想要請問院長，我們現在的年度總預算，難道已經無法因應國際情勢的變動了嗎？否則為什麼會需要特別提出這一個預算案？還有臺美對等的關稅談判，究竟結果是如何？有什麼進展嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：是，我記得去年520之前，總統在跟我談未來工作的時候，我們都有同樣的想法，總統也指示我們儘量不舉債，儘量不編特別預算，所以你看我們去年到現在，除了以前年度編的特別預算，我們沒有真的編特別預算，這次是特別。那我們也希望能夠不舉債，但是因為我們支出實在是太多了，歲出不夠，所以我們一定要舉債，但因為這次我們幾項的特別預算，包括今天討論的強化韌性，這是因應國際情勢，不得不這麼做。另外，我們的丹娜絲颱風，也不得不做特別的預算。這個雖然違背我們過去一年多前的想法，但是我們認為國際情勢在改變，國內的情勢在改變，而且災害頻頻的發生，我們必須要給人民更大的安心，所以我們編了這個特別預算。特別預算當中，有的是沿用過去年度的歲計賸餘，有的必須再舉債，這個也已經不是我們原來初衷的想法，但是我們認為，既然國家需要、既然社會人民需要，我們就這樣跟大院來取得支持之後，我們還是秉持那種當用才用、當用則用的這個原則，我們會把每一筆預算、每一分錢用到最需要……而且我們會很珍惜這樣的一個國家資源。"],["林委員憶君：好，因為院長，這次其實從行政院提出的特別預算來看，高達5,500億，當然涵蓋了很多的部會，包括內政、國防、經濟，還有農業、醫療，還有教育這些，只是本來這個特別預算是要因應美國川普總統對臺灣加徵關稅的經濟衝擊，還有給全民普發1萬元，但問題是現在不僅僅只有經濟預算，還包括了國土安全韌性，然後本席看了一下整個預算書的內容，發現因應關稅衝擊的支持產業的經濟韌性竟然只有780億元，而國土安全韌性卻高達到1,500億元，整個預算的主次顛倒，表示行政院根本可能就沒有把因應對等關稅的衝擊放在第一位，這如何提供產業充分的支持呢？還有如何提升國際的競爭力呢？因為賴清德總統從就職開始就不斷地一直在強調國安的韌性，但無論國家安全或者國土安全，都是政府平常就應該要做的事情，應該在每年的總預算中就要體現出來，沒有理由需要編特別的預算，到現在有什麼重大威脅國土安全的事件需要編列這個特別預算呢？因為我們看了，根據整個預算法第八十三條的規定，特別預算只有在國防緊急設施或戰爭，還有國家經濟重大變故，還有重大的災變，還有不定期或數年一次重大的政事，這四個情況才得以編列。但是川普關稅衝擊的是整個經濟，毫無疑問地，這是國家經濟重大的變故所以要編列。請問這上面哪一項是針對國土安全韌性而要編列1,500億特別預算的理由呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：在顧部長答復之前，我先跟委員報告，我們雖然有編支持產業的780億，當中有180億是對農業的支持。另外，我們有安定就業的150億，還有照顧民生，包括普發現金，總共是3,070億，這些加起來才是整個特別預算當中的大宗。至於1,500億的國土安全韌性這部分，就請顧部長來答復。"],["顧部長立雄：跟委員簡要報告，在我們的六個案子裡面大概可分兩大類，一個就是資通電作業環境及設備的提升，這是一大類；另外一大類就是改善及強化各重要防衛設施並整建各處的庫儲設施。現在跟委員報告的主要就是在於，我們的資通電作業環境跟設備的提升，如果要按照一般公務預算來編列的話，都只能夠維持各部隊的這些資通電有關設備，還有核心管道電路的更換，跟指揮所內部電路的修繕等等這些例行性的工項。所以我們如果要一次性地達成這種多路的備援、機動的部署，跟快速地恢復這樣一個能力的話，我們就需要有這樣一筆的預算，讓我們能快速地形成戰力。","有關強化國土防衛能量的部分也是如此，因為如果我們按照年度預算來排列的話，這些相關預算的金額都只能夠做基本的維持，沒有辦法一次性地、快速地整建。我們現在一定要快速地進行後備戰力的改革，還有回復一年期義務役實戰化的訓練，所以各式的訓場要快速的整建，而我們後續也有很多、很多新式的武器要進來，所以庫儲的設施如果要按照原來作業維持費來編的話，那我們編的金額也是相當地低，沒有辦法一次性地把所有我們需要彈藥的庫儲設施做一次性的整建。"],["林委員憶君：剛才部長的意思是說，這樣的話，這次的預算會編在武器上面嗎？這些預算會編在武器上面嗎？"],["顧部長立雄：沒有編在武器上面，它有兩大類，一個是資通電的部分，然後這一個部分主要就是在建構備援、機動跟韌性；而另外一大類就是所謂的國土防衛能量，這個包括訓場、庫儲設施，還有我們戰備的存量打算要加倍，然後要比如說……"],["林委員憶君：所以這次的特別預算會不會編在武器上面？"],["顧部長立雄：這一次的特別預算沒有編武器裝備的這個部分。"],["卓院長榮泰：也跟委員報告，因為我們這次關稅談判的內容是著重在對等關稅，還有非關稅的貿易障礙，還有貿易便捷化，另外一個就是經濟安全，所以我們對於洗產地、違規轉運還是要做有效地防範，不論是國防或海巡，將來這個部分都必須對我們的海域、海疆做更多資通訊安全的保障，也必須充實我們更多的能量，包括硬體的能量跟軟體的設備都一定要提升起來，我們才有辦法在經濟安全的這個項下提升我們自己的力量。"],["林委員憶君：好，那我……"],["卓院長榮泰：防止洗產地、防止違規轉運……"],["林委員憶君：好，我再請問部長，因為部長還在這邊。有關強化國安韌性，在內政部、國防部、農業部，還有海洋委員會其實都編了強化國土防衛能量的這些預算。當然賴清德總統在9月20號出席全社會防衛韌性的國際論壇中也有提出，政府將具體地行動，持續強化實力，提升國防力量，同時編列強化國土安全韌性的預算。但是回頭想一下，歷年來我們的萬安演習，現在為什麼還停留在街上停車，進行形式化交通人員的管制呢？","現在的萬安演習其實是全臺整個軍民的合作，為提高國安韌性，重要的應該是實戰的演練，初衷當然就是教育全民在面對不管是突發戰爭，還是突然發生災害的時候，我們大家要如何避難以自保。但是長期以來都太流於形式了，讓人民不把演習認真看待，甚至有時候連政府部門也會以不要引起恐慌為理由，可能就把整個演習簡化了，也可能把它壓縮了，然後就變成一個例行的公事，甚至可能變成一個年度作秀的大戰。所以相對地，我看了一個跟我們比較好的鄰近國家──日本的經驗，他們的防災教育就是從小養成的，而且他們就是在全民平常的基本素養裡面，日本把防災教育融入了學校，也融入了社區，也融入了工作場所和家庭，都有例行的防災訓練，還有備品的整個檢查，連在臺灣最知名的櫻桃小丸子這樣的卡通，其實我們都可以看到，整個演習的細節在卡通裡面都有呈現；但是反觀臺灣，我們不要說防災知識可能教育不足，甚至連資訊都更不足。為什麼日本可以做到防災變成全民的DNA，臺灣卻永遠都在亡羊補牢，是政府對災害避難的宣導不夠嗎？還是根本沒有落實？還是因為政府把這個平常應該花在刀口上面有效宣傳防災避難的宣導預算拿去大內宣，還是養網軍呢？因為我們從這次花蓮這樣的災害事件來看，中央長期防災的體系可能已經不足，尤其這是演習教育落後的一個警訊，所以國防部最近也發布了新版的全民國防手冊，說到當危機來的時候，臺灣全民的安全指引，當然未來規劃家家戶戶每一個可能都會拿到這個指引，但是政府到底為人民做了些什麼？什麼是可以有效的提升我們國安的韌性呢？","我們再看一下，其實這些先進的國家在面對整個一連串的複合性災害，不管是減災，還有包括整個整備，都是一條鞭的治理，但是臺灣在災防的資訊上面可能是無法整合，所以發生的時候，經常會讓民眾有陷入生命財產風險的疑慮，像這一次馬太鞍溪堰塞湖的悲劇就是一個非常具體的展現。所以災害防治，還有後續的救災，還有國土的防衛韌性，這整個責任絕對是中央政府的責任，當然身為負責的執政者，就應該為老百姓備妥這一整個的準備，而不是讓人民在災難來的時候，才學會怎麼樣去應對，而且不可以讓老百姓連避難所在哪裡都不知道，也不知道遇到這種情況的時候，到底要跑到哪裡去躲。其實災害是沒有畫面的，我們也知道，當它沒有畫面的時候，其實每一個人的思考都是不一樣的。","院長，你知不知道，其實全世界這幾年在災害避難的宣導上面也都開始強調所謂的共同圖像，因為有一個共同圖像，背後才有共同與會及共同的整個架構。這次我有看到協助花蓮災區的民眾加速整個家園的重建，當然本席非常感謝這次國防部有投入，全力執行救災，其中看到陸軍司令部也首次對外公開一個救災神器，運用了TAK（部隊覺知應用套件）於手機地圖上標繪災區的情形，提供各級部隊長即時回饋當前的需求，整合救災資訊，建立救災共同圖像。所以我想問，院長，你知道現在執政團隊的各部會有整合救災或國安的共同圖像嗎？因為這個是非常重要的。"],["顧部長立雄：跟委員報告，在我們這一次的韌性特別預算裡面，其實就有一個軍民共同圖像系統監偵能力案的建置，所以我們會就海域的部分，包括海巡的雷達等等，全部整合在這個您剛剛提到的臺灣戰術網路TAK的部分，我們也會將相關的警消等等的這些，運用相關的網路系統，編入到這個共同圖像，我想……"],["林委員憶君：OK，我是希望能夠由行政院負責整合各部會，建立這個圖像，建立這整個平臺，一起來救災，我想這個是很重要的。"],["顧部長立雄：對，我們會跟內政部的警消一起來結合，我們這一邊的部分也會跟海巡等等的一起，所以不管從海域一直到陸地，我們都要建立一個共同圖像，不管發生任何的重大災害也好，或者發生任何的緊急狀況，我們都有這樣一個共同圖像的建立。"],["林委員憶君：好，謝謝。"],["卓院長榮泰：請委員支持這個預算。"],["主席：謝謝林憶君委員質詢，謝謝卓院長、相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","接下來請莊瑞雄委員質詢，葉元之委員請準備。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":98,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-3","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣"],"page_start":83,"meetingDate":["2025-10-03"],"gazette_id":"1147801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147801_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第3次會議紀錄","content":"報告事項","agenda_id":"1147801_00011"}}}