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00:02:57,973\n所以在無人載具的自製程趨勢台灣目前是年產1萬架在2028年的時候預估是要年產18架市場的規模也從50億要提升到300億的規模在這個韌性特別預算當中也提到要1151億元用於國土\n\n9\n00:03:00,854 --> 00:03:18,178\n安全韌性預期採購無人載具無人艇的國造及相關設備好我們現在國防預算來帶動無人載具美國既然要求我國呢要有這個提升自我保護能力確實今年的國防預算也達到GDP的3.32%\n\n10\n00:03:20,619 --> 00:03:35,831\n達到9495億那現在這10年內本土業者也投入商規軍用的無人載具的研發但本席認為成平時期就應該用軍規軍用這句話我是講給國防部聽的國防國際尋找無人載具飛鴻\n\n11\n00:03:42,616 --> 00:04:03,905\n這個是本國的契機烏克蘭在戰前的時候只有50架的無人載機在今年提出400萬架的需求美國呢他年產不到10萬架但是他自己國會提出法案要求自治年產到100萬架與中國抗衡台灣最大的無人載具的買家呢是波蘭但是他每年呢是3200萬對台採購而已所以國內來發展非紅供應鏈的\n\n12\n00:04:11,090 --> 00:04:15,247\n國際AI無人載具的產業是非常非常有市場的\n\n13\n00:04:16,570 --> 00:04:43,975\n好那這個國際AI無人載具到底涵蓋哪什麼範圍呢海陸空空中還分為低空中高空跟高空所謂的平流層這個水呢也分為水面跟水下陸用呢有這兩個系統AMR跟AGV跟還有無人載具的反制系統好那台灣國際AI無人載具的產業目前就是缺乏整合無法進入的美軍的供應鏈\n\n14\n00:04:44,895 --> 00:05:06,782\n缺乏整合也在這一次的風災華家沙颱風當中沒有辦法在救災發生工人破工了這當中也就是缺乏整合怎麼樣的沒法整合的現況我讓院長知道這件事情台灣無人載具的產業基地必須擴大在去年11月的時候我就要求國發會研議高雄發展為無人載具的國產\n\n15\n00:05:08,332 --> 00:05:23,957\n畫的基地得到的回應是什麼呢選定嘉義縣作為基地建議高雄的工藝就跟嘉義的亞創無人載具基地合作就好了好果然果然這個就破功了\n\n16\n00:05:25,958 --> 00:05:39,790\n但是現在國內外都急需飛鴻供應鏈美國軍工新創是多次來一台尋求合作商機就以這一次剛結束的航太展很可惜我們沒有一家國內的廠商進入\n\n17\n00:05:41,972 --> 00:06:02,391\n美国的这个军工供应链的产业链的清单一家都没有虽然签了很多MOU可是讲实际的我们国内没有一家是进入到这个产业链也就是没有这样的订单所以支持要院长以这个国家的高度来支持大南方各县市来发展无人载具的产业\n\n18\n00:06:02,791 --> 00:06:23,581\n好現在大南方各自又怎麼發展呢那現在呢就是台南啊他也發展無人載具投入空拍看宅啦屏東呢也將大鵬灣發展為無人載具的水上飛行場那高雄的也結合無人機的與A岸的用於隧道的巡檢跟登革熱的噴上那台船在高雄港也發表了高雄製造的無人艇的奮進魔鬼漁船\n\n19\n00:06:25,001 --> 00:06:38,847\n來爭取國防部的訂單所以中央應該看到我們大南方的需求擴大設置無人載具製造跟培育場域的這樣的一個量能那美軍的無人載具的規範是明確的\n\n20\n00:06:40,888 --> 00:07:01,954\n但台湾业者有能力却无法服归美国军用无人载具的军规他们是讲的很严格的有出口管制国安审查以及透过美国制的plusplusuas的认证来确认无人载具的合规性但国内却没有一个国家对完全符合这样的一个军规\n\n21\n00:07:02,674 --> 00:07:30,095\n好我在這邊本席主張成立高雄國際AI文人載具中心以彙整全國測試數據重點是這句話沒有數據就沒有AI要不要只講AI我要AIAI國家AI城市但是完沒有數據一切都是NO我們現在的測試各自為證測試完後就丟了數據就沒有了就沒有人在追蹤了去做整合了是好可惜的一件事情\n\n22\n00:07:30,615 --> 00:07:37,103\n所以這個中心一定要做到會診全國的測試數據進而招商引資輔導讓國內的業者進行國際認證的標準既然要達到這個軍規軍規就一定要搞到國際認證的標準及加入國際供應鏈同時有這種游輪載具是高\n\n23\n00:07:48,456 --> 00:08:04,767\n一度的跨領域的系統整合且具有應用服務的針對性所以應該有全新的法人那院長我讓您知道現在各自的法人有什麼沒有辦法做到的像以中科院他僅能滿足國家防衛需求並未對產業進行國際認證\n\n24\n00:08:07,529 --> 00:08:34,595\n更不可能切入國際供應鏈的輔導對接好讓我們來看經濟部工研院跟金屬中心他只著重執行經濟部的科專計畫且以技術研發為核心喔他在國際鏈結與產業落地的方面是這個這兩個人是不足的更不要說他要匯整全國測試數據當然就不利於無人載具的AI技術無人載具的核心在AIAI的核心在數據\n\n25\n00:08:35,855 --> 00:08:48,000\n我們來看看資策會偏重軟體的推廣其實資策會也都沒有在做研發了那我們都希望他高利潤的就是在軟體的部分他也無法協助國內的軟體業切入國際無人載具的供應業\n\n26\n00:08:51,001 --> 00:09:19,693\n好我們來看高雄可作為國際AI無人載具研發示範這次的風災嘉義縣的無人載具基地怎麼了受災了所以他根本就沒有發揮救災勘察的功能所以就有必要在高雄設置備援基地就近接觸高雄的量能在哪裡我們有金屬加工有螺絲扣件有IC設計產業建立整合海陸空的全方位的無人載具研發示範場域報告院長\n\n27\n00:09:20,493 --> 00:09:41,109\n任何一個城市不可能有像高雄這樣海陸空相關的所有的業者集聚在一個城市內好再來完整的戰備供應鏈就在高雄烏克蘭每天損失上萬家的無人載具靠的不是中央補給靠的是各地甚至下到家庭工廠的戰備供應鏈重點是\n\n28\n00:09:44,051 --> 00:10:10,625\n普遍的一個戰備供應鏈的一個資源它整個的軍方系統我國無人載具製造不應該只有中科院來獨立承擔高雄具有金屬扣件複合材料機械製造直通訊的軟硬體軍工跟船舶的製造無疑是緊急狀態下最完整的戰備供應鏈所在這句話是重點整體的戰備移動距離一定要在30分鐘內\n\n29\n00:10:12,287 --> 00:10:23,940\n來完成有哪一個城市可以這樣的一個國際AI無人載具我們從民間的量能要馬上提升為軍的當中在居民\n\n30\n00:10:25,394 --> 00:10:46,080\n這個共一起合作當中尤其是無人載具這件事情一定是軍是佔一他的民佔二只有民的這個的雙倍的量能才有可能支撐軍在無人載具不管是海陸空一定要民的量能是雙倍才有可能支撐\n\n31\n00:10:47,500 --> 00:11:10,315\n軍方的一個無人載具的一個量體重點所以今天這個中心無非就是在培養這樣一個民間的量能好那再來看高雄我們這樣的中心不是只做製造而且是要擴大測試跟訓練場域我們的情形可以作為無人艇的製造測試場域高雄的情形是國內少數具有規模的造船產業聚落\n\n32\n00:11:11,115 --> 00:11:28,100\n而且我們在台船跟中信造船都在提供周遭已經發表智慧無人船以及興達港作為水下載具的研發測試基地在興達海基國產離岸風電政策退場之後剛好可以轉型培養水下基礎的人力測試我們的羅西庫里宮山\n\n33\n00:11:31,201 --> 00:11:49,743\n在大岡山地區剛好可以轉型無人載具的供應鏈我們的大岡山是國內最大的金屬扣件聚落可以持續的跟軍方合作推動航空零組件及複合材料認證以及重複的帶動高雄的在地供應鏈符合國際軍工\n\n34\n00:11:51,384 --> 00:12:02,407\n規的標準好最後我具體的要求這樣的國際高雄國際AI無人載具的產業中心的任務是什麼會展全國測試數據發展無人載具的AI第二個輔導國內業者對接國際無人載具的產業標準第三個任務\n\n35\n00:12:07,909 --> 00:12:30,062\n兼顧我國的國防需求跟國際產業鏈結第四個任務它是國內外廠商共同進行垂直整合應用的服務能夠讓國內內走可以打入國際的供應鏈最後先以硬體代軟體再以軟體代硬體的發展國際AI無人載具的產業策略對業者來講就是一定要訂單\n\n36\n00:12:31,423 --> 00:12:57,205\n所以呢先讓國內業者在倡議這麼多的時候你一定要讓業者拿到訂單先讓國內的業者關鍵零組件次系統的業者拿到訂單之後再透過我們的運用服務的計畫實現AI服務AI科技服務代工的國際商機最後本席也要求這個主管機關在經濟部該中心直屬經濟部直屬經濟部不是法人在分出來\n\n37\n00:12:57,905 --> 00:13:19,549\n所有的中心人員跟顧問的朋友需兼具國家國防思維及國際軍工產業鏈的視野接軌國際AI無人載具的產業鏈院長這讓你知道現在的窘境是什麼國防中科院他們都是軍人所以他絕對有國防思維但是他沒有國防軍工產業鏈的思維\n\n38\n00:13:20,369 --> 00:13:36,244\n講到經濟部他當然有這個國際他不至於有沒有國際思維但是他有產業思維但是他沒有國防的思維所以今天我們的無人載具要加強我們台灣的國防自主任性的時候\n\n39\n00:13:37,318 --> 00:13:57,704\n他其實是需要這個法人他的人員聘任需要這樣的資格好再來本席認為這個預算的來源來自哪裡在落這個條例的落日之前116年12月31號之前就利用這該特別預算的國防部編略的預算當中113億的8000多萬\n\n40\n00:13:59,925 --> 00:14:21,236\n當中來編列成立這個中心在這個預算落日之後由主計總處依新增機關運作預算新增預算給經濟部編列常態性的資本門跟經常門的預算來做永續所以本期具體要求行政院能夠兩個月內提出具體的執行計畫院長請回答\n\n41\n00:14:25,260 --> 00:14:53,359\n好謝謝委員我們在無人機的起步是比較慢所以現在一定要國家隊的模式來進行另外呢無論是商用商規軍用軍規商用跟軍規之間一定要跨界現在我們正在努力做這樣的一個跨界再來我們現在雅創二館雅創一館雅創二館在執行那高雄有它的地理之變就是我們可以在高雄未來發展水面水價的這個無人船無人船的部分可以上市在高雄那你說這個是經濟部主管\n\n42\n00:14:54,139 --> 00:15:18,905\n我想國防部在未來一定要有角色所以一定是一個國家隊的概念所以當然我就是認為說還是由經濟部來主導如果我放到國防部我也很頭痛這個國防部從頭到尾都是軍人的思維我如果要發展產業鏈我要花多大的力氣去說服所有我們軍方的高官中中科院就是將官啊\n\n43\n00:15:19,705 --> 00:15:21,766\n我們現在也有一個無人載具產業統籌的發展計畫\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9161\t23408\t好 有請卓院長好 請卓院長備詢林委員好\n26246\t31772\t我們跳到第一頁好 莊院長我們看這一次颯枷颱風襲擊花蓮光復鄉我們在無人機國家隊在這一次的襲擊風災當中確實無見蹤影\n45948\t65393\t那也不管是災前的預測災時的疏散以及災後人員物資的運送完全看不到無人機國家隊所以本期建議應該是直接台灣走入國際AI無人載具產業供應鏈要從高雄再出發\n67045\t84270\t好這個本行的幾個重點第一個AI美台關稅的重災區是在高雄第二個台灣對於國際AI無人載具的需求是迫切的第三個國際AI無人載具的涵蓋範圍到底有多寬呢那到底有哪些第四個\n84650\t109449\t台湾国际AI无人载具的产业目前是缺乏整合也无法进入美军供应链第五个成立高雄国际AI无人载具产业中心这是本席今日的诉求新的法人那他这个法人也不是只有制造而且要扩大测试跟训练产育以及具体就会有一些要求\n110309\t133298\t那這個所謂的美台關稅重災區在高雄那對於包括工具居金屬加工 汽車零組件等全部是哀鴻遍野所以今天審查這樣的一個特別預算本行認為結合國家的防禦韌性產業實際的需求及友邦的戰略策略\n133958\t149523\t在建立高雄國際AI無人載具產業中心的急迫性跟必要性它的落實產業聚落以及納入在地廠商成為國防採購的清單好我們看台灣在國際AI無人載具的產業鏈的現況因為台灣善於成本的控制以及量產\n160507\t177973\t所以在無人載具的自製程趨勢台灣目前是年產1萬架在2028年的時候預估是要年產18架市場的規模也從50億要提升到300億的規模在這個韌性特別預算當中也提到要1151億元用於國土\n180854\t198178\t安全韌性預期採購無人載具無人艇的國造及相關設備好我們現在國防預算來帶動無人載具美國既然要求我國呢要有這個提升自我保護能力確實今年的國防預算也達到GDP的3.32%\n200619\t215831\t達到9495億那現在這10年內本土業者也投入商規軍用的無人載具的研發但本席認為成平時期就應該用軍規軍用這句話我是講給國防部聽的國防國際尋找無人載具飛鴻\n222616\t243905\t這個是本國的契機烏克蘭在戰前的時候只有50架的無人載機在今年提出400萬架的需求美國呢他年產不到10萬架但是他自己國會提出法案要求自治年產到100萬架與中國抗衡台灣最大的無人載具的買家呢是波蘭但是他每年呢是3200萬對台採購而已所以國內來發展非紅供應鏈的\n251090\t255247\t國際AI無人載具的產業是非常非常有市場的\n256570\t283975\t好那這個國際AI無人載具到底涵蓋哪什麼範圍呢海陸空空中還分為低空中高空跟高空所謂的平流層這個水呢也分為水面跟水下陸用呢有這兩個系統AMR跟AGV跟還有無人載具的反制系統好那台灣國際AI無人載具的產業目前就是缺乏整合無法進入的美軍的供應鏈\n284895\t306782\t缺乏整合也在這一次的風災華家沙颱風當中沒有辦法在救災發生工人破工了這當中也就是缺乏整合怎麼樣的沒法整合的現況我讓院長知道這件事情台灣無人載具的產業基地必須擴大在去年11月的時候我就要求國發會研議高雄發展為無人載具的國產\n308332\t323957\t畫的基地得到的回應是什麼呢選定嘉義縣作為基地建議高雄的工藝就跟嘉義的亞創無人載具基地合作就好了好果然果然這個就破功了\n325958\t339790\t但是現在國內外都急需飛鴻供應鏈美國軍工新創是多次來一台尋求合作商機就以這一次剛結束的航太展很可惜我們沒有一家國內的廠商進入\n341972\t362391\t美国的这个军工供应链的产业链的清单一家都没有虽然签了很多MOU可是讲实际的我们国内没有一家是进入到这个产业链也就是没有这样的订单所以支持要院长以这个国家的高度来支持大南方各县市来发展无人载具的产业\n362791\t383581\t好現在大南方各自又怎麼發展呢那現在呢就是台南啊他也發展無人載具投入空拍看宅啦屏東呢也將大鵬灣發展為無人載具的水上飛行場那高雄的也結合無人機的與A岸的用於隧道的巡檢跟登革熱的噴上那台船在高雄港也發表了高雄製造的無人艇的奮進魔鬼漁船\n385001\t398847\t來爭取國防部的訂單所以中央應該看到我們大南方的需求擴大設置無人載具製造跟培育場域的這樣的一個量能那美軍的無人載具的規範是明確的\n400888\t421954\t但台湾业者有能力却无法服归美国军用无人载具的军规他们是讲的很严格的有出口管制国安审查以及透过美国制的plus plus uas的认证来确认无人载具的合规性但国内却没有一个国家对完全符合这样的一个军规\n422674\t450095\t好 我在這邊本席主張成立高雄國際AI文人載具中心以彙整全國測試數據重點是這句話沒有數據就沒有AI要不要只講AI 我要AI AI國家 AI城市但是完沒有數據一切都是NO我們現在的測試各自為證測試完後就丟了 數據就沒有了就沒有人在追蹤了 去做整合了是好可惜的一件事情\n450615\t457103\t所以這個中心一定要做到會診全國的測試數據進而招商引資輔導讓國內的業者進行國際認證的標準既然要達到這個軍規軍規就一定要搞到國際認證的標準及加入國際供應鏈同時有這種游輪載具是高\n468456\t484767\t一度的跨領域的系統整合且具有應用服務的針對性所以應該有全新的法人那院長我讓您知道現在各自的法人有什麼沒有辦法做到的像以中科院他僅能滿足國家防衛需求並未對產業進行國際認證\n487529\t514595\t更不可能切入國際供應鏈的輔導對接好讓我們來看經濟部工研院跟金屬中心他只著重執行經濟部的科專計畫且以技術研發為核心喔他在國際鏈結與產業落地的方面是這個這兩個人是不足的更不要說他要匯整全國測試數據當然就不利於無人載具的AI技術無人載具的核心在AIAI的核心在數據\n515855\t528000\t我們來看看資策會偏重軟體的推廣其實資策會也都沒有在做研發了那我們都希望他高利潤的就是在軟體的部分他也無法協助國內的軟體業切入國際無人載具的供應業\n531001\t559693\t好我們來看高雄可作為國際AI無人載具研發示範這次的風災嘉義縣的無人載具基地怎麼了受災了所以他根本就沒有發揮救災勘察的功能所以就有必要在高雄設置備援基地就近接觸高雄的量能在哪裡我們有金屬加工有螺絲扣件有IC設計產業建立整合海陸空的全方位的無人載具研發示範場域報告院長\n560493\t581109\t任何一個城市不可能有像高雄這樣海陸空相關的所有的業者集聚在一個城市內好再來完整的戰備供應鏈就在高雄烏克蘭每天損失上萬家的無人載具靠的不是中央補給靠的是各地甚至下到家庭工廠的戰備供應鏈重點是\n584051\t610625\t普遍的一個戰備供應鏈的一個資源它整個的軍方系統我國無人載具製造不應該只有中科院來獨立承擔高雄具有金屬扣件複合材料機械製造直通訊的軟硬體軍工跟船舶的製造無疑是緊急狀態下最完整的戰備供應鏈所在這句話是重點整體的戰備移動距離一定要在30分鐘內\n612287\t623940\t來完成有哪一個城市可以這樣的一個國際AI無人載具我們從民間的量能要馬上提升為軍的當中在居民\n625394\t646080\t這個共一起合作當中尤其是無人載具這件事情一定是軍是佔一他的民佔二只有民的這個的雙倍的量能才有可能支撐軍在無人載具不管是海陸空一定要民的量能是雙倍才有可能支撐\n647500\t670315\t軍方的一個無人載具的一個量體重點所以今天這個中心無非就是在培養這樣一個民間的量能好那再來看高雄我們這樣的中心不是只做製造而且是要擴大測試跟訓練場域我們的情形可以作為無人艇的製造測試場域高雄的情形是國內少數具有規模的造船產業聚落\n671115\t688100\t而且我們在台船跟中信造船都在提供周遭已經發表智慧無人船以及興達港作為水下載具的研發測試基地在興達海基國產離岸風電政策退場之後剛好可以轉型培養水下基礎的人力測試我們的羅西庫里宮山\n691201\t709743\t在大岡山地區剛好可以轉型無人載具的供應鏈我們的大岡山是國內最大的金屬扣件聚落可以持續的跟軍方合作推動航空零組件及複合材料認證以及重複的帶動高雄的在地供應鏈符合國際軍工\n711384\t722407\t規的標準好最後我具體的要求這樣的國際高雄國際AI無人載具的產業中心的任務是什麼會展全國測試數據發展無人載具的AI第二個輔導國內業者對接國際無人載具的產業標準第三個任務\n727909\t750062\t兼顧我國的國防需求跟國際產業鏈結第四個任務它是國內外廠商共同進行垂直整合應用的服務能夠讓國內內走可以打入國際的供應鏈最後先以硬體代軟體再以軟體代硬體的發展國際AI無人載具的產業策略對業者來講就是一定要訂單\n751423\t777205\t所以呢先讓國內業者在倡議這麼多的時候你一定要讓業者拿到訂單先讓國內的業者關鍵零組件次系統的業者拿到訂單之後再透過我們的運用服務的計畫實現AI服務AI科技服務代工的國際商機最後本席也要求這個主管機關在經濟部該中心直屬經濟部直屬經濟部不是法人在分出來\n777905\t799549\t所有的中心人員跟顧問的朋友需兼具國家國防思維及國際軍工產業鏈的視野接軌國際AI無人載具的產業鏈院長這讓你知道現在的窘境是什麼國防中科院他們都是軍人所以他絕對有國防思維但是他沒有國防軍工產業鏈的思維\n800369\t816244\t講到經濟部他當然有這個國際他不至於有沒有國際思維但是他有產業思維但是他沒有國防的思維所以今天我們的無人載具要加強我們台灣的國防自主任性的時候\n817318\t837704\t他其實是需要這個法人他的人員聘任需要這樣的資格好再來本席認為這個預算的來源來自哪裡在落這個條例的落日之前116年12月31號之前就利用這該特別預算的國防部編略的預算當中113億的8000多萬\n839925\t861236\t當中來編列成立這個中心在這個預算落日之後由主計總處依新增機關運作預算新增預算給經濟部編列常態性的資本門跟經常門的預算來做永續所以本期具體要求行政院能夠兩個月內提出具體的執行計畫 院長請回答\n865260\t893359\t好 謝謝委員我們在無人機的起步是比較慢所以現在一定要國家隊的模式來進行另外呢無論是商用商規 軍用軍規商用跟軍規之間一定要跨界現在我們正在努力做這樣的一個跨界再來我們現在雅創二館雅創一館 雅創二館在執行那高雄有它的地理之變就是我們可以在高雄未來發展水面水價的這個無人船無人船的部分可以上市在高雄那你說這個是經濟部主管\n894139\t918905\t我想國防部在未來一定要有角色所以一定是一個國家隊的概念所以當然我就是認為說還是由經濟部來主導如果我放到國防部 我也很頭痛這個國防部從頭到尾都是軍人的思維我如果要發展產業鏈 我要花多大的力氣去說服所有我們軍方的高官中 中科院就是將官啊\n919705\t921766\t我們現在也有一個無人載具產業統籌的發展計畫\n","txt":"好 有請卓院長好 請卓院長備詢林委員好\n我們跳到第一頁好 莊院長我們看這一次颯枷颱風襲擊花蓮光復鄉我們在無人機國家隊在這一次的襲擊風災當中確實無見蹤影\n那也不管是災前的預測災時的疏散以及災後人員物資的運送完全看不到無人機國家隊所以本期建議應該是直接台灣走入國際AI無人載具產業供應鏈要從高雄再出發\n好這個本行的幾個重點第一個AI美台關稅的重災區是在高雄第二個台灣對於國際AI無人載具的需求是迫切的第三個國際AI無人載具的涵蓋範圍到底有多寬呢那到底有哪些第四個\n台湾国际AI无人载具的产业目前是缺乏整合也无法进入美军供应链第五个成立高雄国际AI无人载具产业中心这是本席今日的诉求新的法人那他这个法人也不是只有制造而且要扩大测试跟训练产育以及具体就会有一些要求\n那這個所謂的美台關稅重災區在高雄那對於包括工具居金屬加工 汽車零組件等全部是哀鴻遍野所以今天審查這樣的一個特別預算本行認為結合國家的防禦韌性產業實際的需求及友邦的戰略策略\n在建立高雄國際AI無人載具產業中心的急迫性跟必要性它的落實產業聚落以及納入在地廠商成為國防採購的清單好我們看台灣在國際AI無人載具的產業鏈的現況因為台灣善於成本的控制以及量產\n所以在無人載具的自製程趨勢台灣目前是年產1萬架在2028年的時候預估是要年產18架市場的規模也從50億要提升到300億的規模在這個韌性特別預算當中也提到要1151億元用於國土\n安全韌性預期採購無人載具無人艇的國造及相關設備好我們現在國防預算來帶動無人載具美國既然要求我國呢要有這個提升自我保護能力確實今年的國防預算也達到GDP的3.32%\n達到9495億那現在這10年內本土業者也投入商規軍用的無人載具的研發但本席認為成平時期就應該用軍規軍用這句話我是講給國防部聽的國防國際尋找無人載具飛鴻\n這個是本國的契機烏克蘭在戰前的時候只有50架的無人載機在今年提出400萬架的需求美國呢他年產不到10萬架但是他自己國會提出法案要求自治年產到100萬架與中國抗衡台灣最大的無人載具的買家呢是波蘭但是他每年呢是3200萬對台採購而已所以國內來發展非紅供應鏈的\n國際AI無人載具的產業是非常非常有市場的\n好那這個國際AI無人載具到底涵蓋哪什麼範圍呢海陸空空中還分為低空中高空跟高空所謂的平流層這個水呢也分為水面跟水下陸用呢有這兩個系統AMR跟AGV跟還有無人載具的反制系統好那台灣國際AI無人載具的產業目前就是缺乏整合無法進入的美軍的供應鏈\n缺乏整合也在這一次的風災華家沙颱風當中沒有辦法在救災發生工人破工了這當中也就是缺乏整合怎麼樣的沒法整合的現況我讓院長知道這件事情台灣無人載具的產業基地必須擴大在去年11月的時候我就要求國發會研議高雄發展為無人載具的國產\n畫的基地得到的回應是什麼呢選定嘉義縣作為基地建議高雄的工藝就跟嘉義的亞創無人載具基地合作就好了好果然果然這個就破功了\n但是現在國內外都急需飛鴻供應鏈美國軍工新創是多次來一台尋求合作商機就以這一次剛結束的航太展很可惜我們沒有一家國內的廠商進入\n美国的这个军工供应链的产业链的清单一家都没有虽然签了很多MOU可是讲实际的我们国内没有一家是进入到这个产业链也就是没有这样的订单所以支持要院长以这个国家的高度来支持大南方各县市来发展无人载具的产业\n好現在大南方各自又怎麼發展呢那現在呢就是台南啊他也發展無人載具投入空拍看宅啦屏東呢也將大鵬灣發展為無人載具的水上飛行場那高雄的也結合無人機的與A岸的用於隧道的巡檢跟登革熱的噴上那台船在高雄港也發表了高雄製造的無人艇的奮進魔鬼漁船\n來爭取國防部的訂單所以中央應該看到我們大南方的需求擴大設置無人載具製造跟培育場域的這樣的一個量能那美軍的無人載具的規範是明確的\n但台湾业者有能力却无法服归美国军用无人载具的军规他们是讲的很严格的有出口管制国安审查以及透过美国制的plus plus uas的认证来确认无人载具的合规性但国内却没有一个国家对完全符合这样的一个军规\n好 我在這邊本席主張成立高雄國際AI文人載具中心以彙整全國測試數據重點是這句話沒有數據就沒有AI要不要只講AI 我要AI AI國家 AI城市但是完沒有數據一切都是NO我們現在的測試各自為證測試完後就丟了 數據就沒有了就沒有人在追蹤了 去做整合了是好可惜的一件事情\n所以這個中心一定要做到會診全國的測試數據進而招商引資輔導讓國內的業者進行國際認證的標準既然要達到這個軍規軍規就一定要搞到國際認證的標準及加入國際供應鏈同時有這種游輪載具是高\n一度的跨領域的系統整合且具有應用服務的針對性所以應該有全新的法人那院長我讓您知道現在各自的法人有什麼沒有辦法做到的像以中科院他僅能滿足國家防衛需求並未對產業進行國際認證\n更不可能切入國際供應鏈的輔導對接好讓我們來看經濟部工研院跟金屬中心他只著重執行經濟部的科專計畫且以技術研發為核心喔他在國際鏈結與產業落地的方面是這個這兩個人是不足的更不要說他要匯整全國測試數據當然就不利於無人載具的AI技術無人載具的核心在AIAI的核心在數據\n我們來看看資策會偏重軟體的推廣其實資策會也都沒有在做研發了那我們都希望他高利潤的就是在軟體的部分他也無法協助國內的軟體業切入國際無人載具的供應業\n好我們來看高雄可作為國際AI無人載具研發示範這次的風災嘉義縣的無人載具基地怎麼了受災了所以他根本就沒有發揮救災勘察的功能所以就有必要在高雄設置備援基地就近接觸高雄的量能在哪裡我們有金屬加工有螺絲扣件有IC設計產業建立整合海陸空的全方位的無人載具研發示範場域報告院長\n任何一個城市不可能有像高雄這樣海陸空相關的所有的業者集聚在一個城市內好再來完整的戰備供應鏈就在高雄烏克蘭每天損失上萬家的無人載具靠的不是中央補給靠的是各地甚至下到家庭工廠的戰備供應鏈重點是\n普遍的一個戰備供應鏈的一個資源它整個的軍方系統我國無人載具製造不應該只有中科院來獨立承擔高雄具有金屬扣件複合材料機械製造直通訊的軟硬體軍工跟船舶的製造無疑是緊急狀態下最完整的戰備供應鏈所在這句話是重點整體的戰備移動距離一定要在30分鐘內\n來完成有哪一個城市可以這樣的一個國際AI無人載具我們從民間的量能要馬上提升為軍的當中在居民\n這個共一起合作當中尤其是無人載具這件事情一定是軍是佔一他的民佔二只有民的這個的雙倍的量能才有可能支撐軍在無人載具不管是海陸空一定要民的量能是雙倍才有可能支撐\n軍方的一個無人載具的一個量體重點所以今天這個中心無非就是在培養這樣一個民間的量能好那再來看高雄我們這樣的中心不是只做製造而且是要擴大測試跟訓練場域我們的情形可以作為無人艇的製造測試場域高雄的情形是國內少數具有規模的造船產業聚落\n而且我們在台船跟中信造船都在提供周遭已經發表智慧無人船以及興達港作為水下載具的研發測試基地在興達海基國產離岸風電政策退場之後剛好可以轉型培養水下基礎的人力測試我們的羅西庫里宮山\n在大岡山地區剛好可以轉型無人載具的供應鏈我們的大岡山是國內最大的金屬扣件聚落可以持續的跟軍方合作推動航空零組件及複合材料認證以及重複的帶動高雄的在地供應鏈符合國際軍工\n規的標準好最後我具體的要求這樣的國際高雄國際AI無人載具的產業中心的任務是什麼會展全國測試數據發展無人載具的AI第二個輔導國內業者對接國際無人載具的產業標準第三個任務\n兼顧我國的國防需求跟國際產業鏈結第四個任務它是國內外廠商共同進行垂直整合應用的服務能夠讓國內內走可以打入國際的供應鏈最後先以硬體代軟體再以軟體代硬體的發展國際AI無人載具的產業策略對業者來講就是一定要訂單\n所以呢先讓國內業者在倡議這麼多的時候你一定要讓業者拿到訂單先讓國內的業者關鍵零組件次系統的業者拿到訂單之後再透過我們的運用服務的計畫實現AI服務AI科技服務代工的國際商機最後本席也要求這個主管機關在經濟部該中心直屬經濟部直屬經濟部不是法人在分出來\n所有的中心人員跟顧問的朋友需兼具國家國防思維及國際軍工產業鏈的視野接軌國際AI無人載具的產業鏈院長這讓你知道現在的窘境是什麼國防中科院他們都是軍人所以他絕對有國防思維但是他沒有國防軍工產業鏈的思維\n講到經濟部他當然有這個國際他不至於有沒有國際思維但是他有產業思維但是他沒有國防的思維所以今天我們的無人載具要加強我們台灣的國防自主任性的時候\n他其實是需要這個法人他的人員聘任需要這樣的資格好再來本席認為這個預算的來源來自哪裡在落這個條例的落日之前116年12月31號之前就利用這該特別預算的國防部編略的預算當中113億的8000多萬\n當中來編列成立這個中心在這個預算落日之後由主計總處依新增機關運作預算新增預算給經濟部編列常態性的資本門跟經常門的預算來做永續所以本期具體要求行政院能夠兩個月內提出具體的執行計畫 院長請回答\n好 謝謝委員我們在無人機的起步是比較慢所以現在一定要國家隊的模式來進行另外呢無論是商用商規 軍用軍規商用跟軍規之間一定要跨界現在我們正在努力做這樣的一個跨界再來我們現在雅創二館雅創一館 雅創二館在執行那高雄有它的地理之變就是我們可以在高雄未來發展水面水價的這個無人船無人船的部分可以上市在高雄那你說這個是經濟部主管\n我想國防部在未來一定要有角色所以一定是一個國家隊的概念所以當然我就是認為說還是由經濟部來主導如果我放到國防部 我也很頭痛這個國防部從頭到尾都是軍人的思維我如果要發展產業鏈 我要花多大的力氣去說服所有我們軍方的高官中 中科院就是將官啊\n我們現在也有一個無人載具產業統籌的發展計畫\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.161 --> 00:23.408\n好有請卓院長好請卓院長備詢林委員好\n\n00:26.246 --> 00:31.772\n我們跳到第一頁好莊院長我們看這一次颯枷颱風襲擊花蓮光復鄉我們在無人機國家隊在這一次的襲擊風災當中確實無見蹤影\n\n00:45.948 --> 01:05.393\n那也不管是災前的預測災時的疏散以及災後人員物資的運送完全看不到無人機國家隊所以本期建議應該是直接台灣走入國際AI無人載具產業供應鏈要從高雄再出發\n\n01:07.045 --> 01:24.270\n好這個本行的幾個重點第一個AI美台關稅的重災區是在高雄第二個台灣對於國際AI無人載具的需求是迫切的第三個國際AI無人載具的涵蓋範圍到底有多寬呢那到底有哪些第四個\n\n01:24.650 --> 01:49.449\n台湾国际AI无人载具的产业目前是缺乏整合也无法进入美军供应链第五个成立高雄国际AI无人载具产业中心这是本席今日的诉求新的法人那他这个法人也不是只有制造而且要扩大测试跟训练产育以及具体就会有一些要求\n\n01:50.309 --> 02:13.298\n那這個所謂的美台關稅重災區在高雄那對於包括工具居金屬加工汽車零組件等全部是哀鴻遍野所以今天審查這樣的一個特別預算本行認為結合國家的防禦韌性產業實際的需求及友邦的戰略策略\n\n02:13.958 --> 02:29.523\n在建立高雄國際AI無人載具產業中心的急迫性跟必要性它的落實產業聚落以及納入在地廠商成為國防採購的清單好我們看台灣在國際AI無人載具的產業鏈的現況因為台灣善於成本的控制以及量產\n\n02:40.507 --> 02:57.973\n所以在無人載具的自製程趨勢台灣目前是年產1萬架在2028年的時候預估是要年產18架市場的規模也從50億要提升到300億的規模在這個韌性特別預算當中也提到要1151億元用於國土\n\n03:00.854 --> 03:18.178\n安全韌性預期採購無人載具無人艇的國造及相關設備好我們現在國防預算來帶動無人載具美國既然要求我國呢要有這個提升自我保護能力確實今年的國防預算也達到GDP的3.32%\n\n03:20.619 --> 03:35.831\n達到9495億那現在這10年內本土業者也投入商規軍用的無人載具的研發但本席認為成平時期就應該用軍規軍用這句話我是講給國防部聽的國防國際尋找無人載具飛鴻\n\n03:42.616 --> 04:03.905\n這個是本國的契機烏克蘭在戰前的時候只有50架的無人載機在今年提出400萬架的需求美國呢他年產不到10萬架但是他自己國會提出法案要求自治年產到100萬架與中國抗衡台灣最大的無人載具的買家呢是波蘭但是他每年呢是3200萬對台採購而已所以國內來發展非紅供應鏈的\n\n04:11.090 --> 04:15.247\n國際AI無人載具的產業是非常非常有市場的\n\n04:16.570 --> 04:43.975\n好那這個國際AI無人載具到底涵蓋哪什麼範圍呢海陸空空中還分為低空中高空跟高空所謂的平流層這個水呢也分為水面跟水下陸用呢有這兩個系統AMR跟AGV跟還有無人載具的反制系統好那台灣國際AI無人載具的產業目前就是缺乏整合無法進入的美軍的供應鏈\n\n04:44.895 --> 05:06.782\n缺乏整合也在這一次的風災華家沙颱風當中沒有辦法在救災發生工人破工了這當中也就是缺乏整合怎麼樣的沒法整合的現況我讓院長知道這件事情台灣無人載具的產業基地必須擴大在去年11月的時候我就要求國發會研議高雄發展為無人載具的國產\n\n05:08.332 --> 05:23.957\n畫的基地得到的回應是什麼呢選定嘉義縣作為基地建議高雄的工藝就跟嘉義的亞創無人載具基地合作就好了好果然果然這個就破功了\n\n05:25.958 --> 05:39.790\n但是現在國內外都急需飛鴻供應鏈美國軍工新創是多次來一台尋求合作商機就以這一次剛結束的航太展很可惜我們沒有一家國內的廠商進入\n\n05:41.972 --> 06:02.391\n美国的这个军工供应链的产业链的清单一家都没有虽然签了很多MOU可是讲实际的我们国内没有一家是进入到这个产业链也就是没有这样的订单所以支持要院长以这个国家的高度来支持大南方各县市来发展无人载具的产业\n\n06:02.791 --> 06:23.581\n好現在大南方各自又怎麼發展呢那現在呢就是台南啊他也發展無人載具投入空拍看宅啦屏東呢也將大鵬灣發展為無人載具的水上飛行場那高雄的也結合無人機的與A岸的用於隧道的巡檢跟登革熱的噴上那台船在高雄港也發表了高雄製造的無人艇的奮進魔鬼漁船\n\n06:25.001 --> 06:38.847\n來爭取國防部的訂單所以中央應該看到我們大南方的需求擴大設置無人載具製造跟培育場域的這樣的一個量能那美軍的無人載具的規範是明確的\n\n06:40.888 --> 07:01.954\n但台湾业者有能力却无法服归美国军用无人载具的军规他们是讲的很严格的有出口管制国安审查以及透过美国制的plusplusuas的认证来确认无人载具的合规性但国内却没有一个国家对完全符合这样的一个军规\n\n07:02.674 --> 07:30.095\n好我在這邊本席主張成立高雄國際AI文人載具中心以彙整全國測試數據重點是這句話沒有數據就沒有AI要不要只講AI我要AIAI國家AI城市但是完沒有數據一切都是NO我們現在的測試各自為證測試完後就丟了數據就沒有了就沒有人在追蹤了去做整合了是好可惜的一件事情\n\n07:30.615 --> 07:37.103\n所以這個中心一定要做到會診全國的測試數據進而招商引資輔導讓國內的業者進行國際認證的標準既然要達到這個軍規軍規就一定要搞到國際認證的標準及加入國際供應鏈同時有這種游輪載具是高\n\n07:48.456 --> 08:04.767\n一度的跨領域的系統整合且具有應用服務的針對性所以應該有全新的法人那院長我讓您知道現在各自的法人有什麼沒有辦法做到的像以中科院他僅能滿足國家防衛需求並未對產業進行國際認證\n\n08:07.529 --> 08:34.595\n更不可能切入國際供應鏈的輔導對接好讓我們來看經濟部工研院跟金屬中心他只著重執行經濟部的科專計畫且以技術研發為核心喔他在國際鏈結與產業落地的方面是這個這兩個人是不足的更不要說他要匯整全國測試數據當然就不利於無人載具的AI技術無人載具的核心在AIAI的核心在數據\n\n08:35.855 --> 08:48.000\n我們來看看資策會偏重軟體的推廣其實資策會也都沒有在做研發了那我們都希望他高利潤的就是在軟體的部分他也無法協助國內的軟體業切入國際無人載具的供應業\n\n08:51.001 --> 09:19.693\n好我們來看高雄可作為國際AI無人載具研發示範這次的風災嘉義縣的無人載具基地怎麼了受災了所以他根本就沒有發揮救災勘察的功能所以就有必要在高雄設置備援基地就近接觸高雄的量能在哪裡我們有金屬加工有螺絲扣件有IC設計產業建立整合海陸空的全方位的無人載具研發示範場域報告院長\n\n09:20.493 --> 09:41.109\n任何一個城市不可能有像高雄這樣海陸空相關的所有的業者集聚在一個城市內好再來完整的戰備供應鏈就在高雄烏克蘭每天損失上萬家的無人載具靠的不是中央補給靠的是各地甚至下到家庭工廠的戰備供應鏈重點是\n\n09:44.051 --> 10:10.625\n普遍的一個戰備供應鏈的一個資源它整個的軍方系統我國無人載具製造不應該只有中科院來獨立承擔高雄具有金屬扣件複合材料機械製造直通訊的軟硬體軍工跟船舶的製造無疑是緊急狀態下最完整的戰備供應鏈所在這句話是重點整體的戰備移動距離一定要在30分鐘內\n\n10:12.287 --> 10:23.940\n來完成有哪一個城市可以這樣的一個國際AI無人載具我們從民間的量能要馬上提升為軍的當中在居民\n\n10:25.394 --> 10:46.080\n這個共一起合作當中尤其是無人載具這件事情一定是軍是佔一他的民佔二只有民的這個的雙倍的量能才有可能支撐軍在無人載具不管是海陸空一定要民的量能是雙倍才有可能支撐\n\n10:47.500 --> 11:10.315\n軍方的一個無人載具的一個量體重點所以今天這個中心無非就是在培養這樣一個民間的量能好那再來看高雄我們這樣的中心不是只做製造而且是要擴大測試跟訓練場域我們的情形可以作為無人艇的製造測試場域高雄的情形是國內少數具有規模的造船產業聚落\n\n11:11.115 --> 11:28.100\n而且我們在台船跟中信造船都在提供周遭已經發表智慧無人船以及興達港作為水下載具的研發測試基地在興達海基國產離岸風電政策退場之後剛好可以轉型培養水下基礎的人力測試我們的羅西庫里宮山\n\n11:31.201 --> 11:49.743\n在大岡山地區剛好可以轉型無人載具的供應鏈我們的大岡山是國內最大的金屬扣件聚落可以持續的跟軍方合作推動航空零組件及複合材料認證以及重複的帶動高雄的在地供應鏈符合國際軍工\n\n11:51.384 --> 12:02.407\n規的標準好最後我具體的要求這樣的國際高雄國際AI無人載具的產業中心的任務是什麼會展全國測試數據發展無人載具的AI第二個輔導國內業者對接國際無人載具的產業標準第三個任務\n\n12:07.909 --> 12:30.062\n兼顧我國的國防需求跟國際產業鏈結第四個任務它是國內外廠商共同進行垂直整合應用的服務能夠讓國內內走可以打入國際的供應鏈最後先以硬體代軟體再以軟體代硬體的發展國際AI無人載具的產業策略對業者來講就是一定要訂單\n\n12:31.423 --> 12:57.205\n所以呢先讓國內業者在倡議這麼多的時候你一定要讓業者拿到訂單先讓國內的業者關鍵零組件次系統的業者拿到訂單之後再透過我們的運用服務的計畫實現AI服務AI科技服務代工的國際商機最後本席也要求這個主管機關在經濟部該中心直屬經濟部直屬經濟部不是法人在分出來\n\n12:57.905 --> 13:19.549\n所有的中心人員跟顧問的朋友需兼具國家國防思維及國際軍工產業鏈的視野接軌國際AI無人載具的產業鏈院長這讓你知道現在的窘境是什麼國防中科院他們都是軍人所以他絕對有國防思維但是他沒有國防軍工產業鏈的思維\n\n13:20.369 --> 13:36.244\n講到經濟部他當然有這個國際他不至於有沒有國際思維但是他有產業思維但是他沒有國防的思維所以今天我們的無人載具要加強我們台灣的國防自主任性的時候\n\n13:37.318 --> 13:57.704\n他其實是需要這個法人他的人員聘任需要這樣的資格好再來本席認為這個預算的來源來自哪裡在落這個條例的落日之前116年12月31號之前就利用這該特別預算的國防部編略的預算當中113億的8000多萬\n\n13:59.925 --> 14:21.236\n當中來編列成立這個中心在這個預算落日之後由主計總處依新增機關運作預算新增預算給經濟部編列常態性的資本門跟經常門的預算來做永續所以本期具體要求行政院能夠兩個月內提出具體的執行計畫院長請回答\n\n14:25.260 --> 14:53.359\n好謝謝委員我們在無人機的起步是比較慢所以現在一定要國家隊的模式來進行另外呢無論是商用商規軍用軍規商用跟軍規之間一定要跨界現在我們正在努力做這樣的一個跨界再來我們現在雅創二館雅創一館雅創二館在執行那高雄有它的地理之變就是我們可以在高雄未來發展水面水價的這個無人船無人船的部分可以上市在高雄那你說這個是經濟部主管\n\n14:54.139 --> 15:18.905\n我想國防部在未來一定要有角色所以一定是一個國家隊的概念所以當然我就是認為說還是由經濟部來主導如果我放到國防部我也很頭痛這個國防部從頭到尾都是軍人的思維我如果要發展產業鏈我要花多大的力氣去說服所有我們軍方的高官中中科院就是將官啊\n\n15:19.705 --> 15:21.766\n我們現在也有一個無人載具產業統籌的發展計畫\n\n","segments":[{"start":9.161,"end":23.408,"text":"好 有請卓院長好 請卓院長備詢林委員好"},{"start":26.246,"end":31.772,"text":"我們跳到第一頁好 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UAS認證」來確認無人載具的合規性，但國內卻沒有一個國家隊完全符合這樣的軍規。","在這邊本席主張成立高雄國際AI無人載具中心，以彙整全國測試數據，重點是這句話，沒有數據就沒有AI！不要只講AI，我要AI、AI國家、AI城市，但是沒有數據一切都是No！我們現在的測試各自為政，測試完後就丟了、數據就沒有了，就沒有人再追蹤、做整合了，這是好可惜的一件事情！所以這個中心一定要做到彙整全國的測試數據，進而招商、引資、輔導，讓國內的業者進行國際認證的標準，既然要達到軍規，就一定要達到國際認證的標準以及加入國際供應鏈，同時有鑑於無人載具是高度跨領域的系統整合，且具有應用服務的針對性，所以應該要有全新的法人。","院長，我讓您知道，現在各自的法人有什麼沒有辦法做到的？像中科院，它僅能滿足國家防衛需求，並未對產業進行國際認證，更不可能切入國際供應鏈的輔導對接；我們來看經濟部相關的工研院跟金屬中心，它只著重執行經濟部的科專計畫，且以技術研發為核心，它在國際鏈結與產業落地的這兩方面是不足的，更不要說它要彙整全國測試數據，當然就不利於無人載具的AI技術。無人載具的核心在AI，AI的核心在數據！我們來看看資策會，它偏重軟體的推廣，其實資策會也都沒有在做研發了，我們都知道高利潤就是在軟體的部分，它也無法協助國內的軟體業切入國際無人載具的供應鏈。","我們來看高雄可作為國際AI無人載具研發示範。這次的風災，嘉義縣的無人載具基地怎麼了？受災了，所以它根本就沒有發揮救災、勘災的功能，所以就有必要在高雄設置備援基地，就近接觸，那高雄的量能在哪裡？我們有金屬加工、有螺絲扣件、有IC設計產業，建立整合海、陸、空等全方位的無人載具研發示範場域。報告院長，任何一個城市都不可能有像高雄這樣海、陸、空相關的、所有的業者齊聚在一個城市內。再來，完整的戰備供應鏈就在高雄。烏克蘭每天損失上萬架的無人載具，靠的不是中央補貨，靠的是各地，甚至下到家庭工廠的戰備供應鏈，重點是普遍的一個戰備供應鏈來支援整個軍方系統。我國無人載具的製造不應該只有中科院來獨力承擔，高雄具有金屬扣件、複合材料、機械製造、資通訊的軟硬體、軍工跟船舶的製造，無疑是緊急狀態下最完整的戰備供應鏈所在，這句話是重點，整體的戰備移動距離一定要在30分鐘內完成，有哪一個城市可以有這樣的一個國際AI無人載具？在民間的量能要馬上提升為軍的當中，在軍民一起合作當中，尤其是無人載具這件事情，一定是軍占1、民占2，只有民有雙倍的量能才有可能支撐軍在無人載具的部分，不管是海、陸、空，一定要民的量能是雙倍，才有可能支撐軍方在無人載具的量能。而重點是，今天這個中心無非就是在培養這樣一個民間的量能。","再來看高雄，我們這樣的中心不是只做製造，而且要擴大測試跟訓練場域，我們的旗津可以作為無人艇的製造測試場域。高雄的旗津是國內少數具有規模的造船產業聚落，而且台船跟中信造船都已經在旗津周遭發表智慧無人船；另外，以興達港作為水下載具的研發測試基地，興達海基在國產離岸風電政策退場之後，剛好可以轉型培養水下基礎的人力培訓；我們的螺絲窟在岡山，大岡山地區剛好可以轉型為無人載具的供應鏈，我們的大岡山是國內最大的金屬扣件聚落，可以持續跟軍方合作，推動航空零組件及複合材料認證，同步帶動高雄的在地供應鏈符合國際軍工規的標準。","最後，我具體的要求，這樣的高雄國際AI無人載具產業中心的任務是什麼？彙整全國測試數據，發展無人載具的AI技術；第二個，輔導國內業者對接國際無人載具的產業標準；第三個任務，兼顧我國的國防需求跟國際產業鏈結；第四個任務，推動國內外廠商共同進行垂直整合應用服務，讓國內廠商能夠打入國際供應鏈；最後，先以硬體帶軟體，再以軟體帶硬體發展國際AI無人載具的產業策略，對業者來講，一定要有訂單，所以在倡議這麼多的時候，你一定要讓業者拿到訂單，先讓國內的關鍵零組件、次系統業者拿到訂單之後，再透過我們的應用服務計畫，實現AI科技服務代工的國際商機。","最後，本席也要求該中心的主管機關在經濟部，直屬經濟部，不是法人再分出來，所有中心人員跟顧問的聘用需兼具國家國防思維及國際軍工產業鏈的視野，接軌國際AI無人載具的產業鏈。院長，這要讓你知道，現在的窘境是什麼？國防、中科院他們都是軍人，所以他絕對有國防思維，但是他沒有國防軍工產業鏈的思維，講到經濟部，他當然有國際……有沒有國際是一回事，他有產業思維，但是他沒有國防的思維，所以今天我們的無人載具要加強臺灣國防自主韌性的時候，他其實是需要這個法人，他的人員聘任需要這樣的資格。","再來，這個預算的來源來自哪裡？在這個條例落日之前，也就是在116年12月31號之前，利用該特別預算案中由國防部編列的一千一百三十一億八千多萬來編列成立這個中心；在這個預算落日之後，由主計總處依新增機關運作預算原則，新增預算給經濟部編列常態性的資本門跟經常門預算永續經營。本席具體要求行政院能夠於兩個月內提出具體的執行計畫，院長請回答。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，謝謝。委員，我們在無人機的起步是比較慢，所以現在一定要以國家隊的模式來進行。另外，無論是商用商規或軍用軍規，商用跟軍規之間一定要有一個劃界，現在我們正在努力做這樣的劃界。再來，我們現在亞創一館、亞創二館在執行了，高雄有其地理之便，就是我們在高雄未來發展水面、水下的……"],["林委員岱樺：院長，我讓你……"],["卓院長榮泰：無人船部分可以在高雄。而你提到這個要由經濟部來主管，我想國防部在未來……"],["林委員岱樺：一定要有角色……"],["卓院長榮泰：所以一定是一個……"],["林委員岱樺：但是主管機關只有一個啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：國家隊的概念。"],["林委員岱樺：是啊！當然我認為還是由經濟部來主導，如果放到國防部，我也很頭痛，國防部從頭到尾都是軍人的思維，我們如果要發展產業鏈，要花多大的力氣去說服所有軍方的高官，中科院就是將官啊！我們還要讓他……"],["卓院長榮泰：我們現在也有一個無人載具產業統籌的發展計畫，我們希望到2030年有400億的……"],["林委員岱樺：就是因為人的思維沒打開，所以下面就做不了。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我們部會來做橫向聯繫。"],["林委員岱樺：好，我們之後再來協調。"],["卓院長榮泰：經濟部來主管。"],["林委員岱樺：好，經濟部主管，謝謝院長。"],["主席：謝謝林岱樺委員，謝謝卓院長。","下一位請賴士葆委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":214,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-3","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","張啓楷","吳思瑤","楊瓊瓔","林憶君","莊瑞雄","葉元之","王定宇","翁曉玲","陳亭妃","廖先翔","鍾佳濱","黃健豪","邱志偉","林德福","林岱樺","賴士葆","陳冠廷","洪孟楷","李坤城","徐欣瑩","賴瑞隆","謝衣鳯"],"page_start":98,"meetingDate":["2025-10-03"],"gazette_id":"1147801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1147801_00007","1147801_00008"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第3次會議紀錄","content":"行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長、經濟部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「中央政府因應國際情\n勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」編製經過並備質詢─詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1147801_00013"}}}