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00:01:12,961\n因為面臨這個護理人員的這個流失所以有所謂的關病房那我想理解的就是說像我們現在所有的這個大夜班等等不管白班小夜其實都已經達標那有沒有所謂護理人員流失或是關病房的狀況\n\n4\n00:01:14,502 --> 00:01:36,832\n然後讓我們的數據呢看起來是符合的我想了解是這樣子當然我也有看到例外就是台中榮總我看今年五月的時候台中榮總其實就已經在調這個護理師的這個薪資平均每一個月2000到3000那還有調升這個薪資的福利跟教學的津貼等等那同時不管是留任跟進階都有獎勵那我在想說榮總是一個完整的一個體系\n\n5\n00:01:38,613 --> 00:01:49,202\n那我看到台中榮總有這麼做那其他呢像北榮、高雄、屏東榮總那我們在這個留任護理師的留任或者是這個聘用我們有哪一些精進的措施想請問\n\n6\n00:01:50,943 --> 00:02:16,149\n謝謝委員關心我想我們到現在為止三班戶分比都是符合標準的那我先中報一下那如果待會兒不足的話請看高雄榮總或台中榮總院長讓他上來做補充我們的護理人力作為的一些精進的一些做法第一個就是招募護理人員提供在校的護理系的學生獎學金這是今年才開始嗎請問主委不好意思\n\n7\n00:02:16,869 --> 00:02:37,437\n是今年才開始嗎不是今年大概已經一直都在這樣做一直都這麼做可是效果過去的話其實也沒有是我們想說精進那除了過去做的一些我們所謂的積極招募護理人員這個部分那除此之外呢因為我想說像這幾年真的是護理人員真的是流失非常的嚴重所以我們想如果說\n\n8\n00:02:39,777 --> 00:03:05,745\n榮總都能夠達標那是不是也可以作為其他醫療院所的一個借鏡所以我們想了解說我們到底精進的做法是什麼是報告委員最主要是薪資薪資所以主委講到重點各級榮院公職還有契約護理師平均月薪我們經過調查是六萬二到八萬四是平均的月薪然後還提供留任獎金僑生夜班費\n\n9\n00:03:06,645 --> 00:03:31,555\n提供員工原券的一個就醫優惠然後提供在職跟出國進修訓練然後降低護理工作的負荷招募契約的照護員來分擔他們的工作而且最後一個就是提供多元彈性自主選擇排班我想我如果說報了不足的話是不是請北龍院長北龍副院長來做說明\n\n10\n00:03:31,895 --> 00:03:46,657\n是所以我們這個剛剛主委所提到的這些精進護理人力的這些措施作為其實真的是有達到效果嗎就是因為這些精進的措施所以造成說我們的護病比其實都能夠達標是這樣子的意思嗎請問副院長\n\n11\n00:03:47,938 --> 00:04:07,607\n謝謝委員關心我是台北榮總李偉強副院長我們今年以為台北榮總人力我們總共招收到260位的護理人員這是歷年來最好的一次為什麼我們可以做到這樣的效果跟委員報告三點第一個來公家醫院最吸引護理人力就是公職還有公務人員身份我們現在已經有七成是公務人員身份的\n\n12\n00:04:08,007 --> 00:04:21,154\n第二個對契約人力來說我們從起薪就提高兩級這都今年開始陸續提高的而且如果是政府公務人員其他公務人員提高3%4%的薪資我們所有區域人員一律比照辦理進來之後8月報到有鑿鳥獎金\n\n13\n00:04:24,555 --> 00:04:38,448\n還有早鳥獎金然後留任有留任獎金然後每個月的獎勵激勵獎金各種獎金完全比照民間不輸給其他民間的醫院最主要還是我們說薪資還有福利我們宿舍我們完成一千兩百床讓他們用最低連一千塊價錢\n\n14\n00:04:39,429 --> 00:05:00,601\n可以每個月在石牌天母地區可以住到一個很好的一個高級的宿舍另外還有托嬰托育以及運動休閒的設施等等這些都是從他的職位他的薪資他的福利三方面共同來共同來留住我們護理人力跟委員報告目前今年所招收護理人員中這些三個月內離職的都走個位數這跟過往是不一樣所以我們認為最困難的時間應該已經過去了謝謝\n\n15\n00:05:03,402 --> 00:05:19,344\nOK好我在想這個是一個非常好的一個現象因為我們所理解的是前兩天我還跟一位苗栗的一個醫生在聊他說他們這個關床的情況非常的嚴重他說就是因為護理人員的這個流失\n\n16\n00:05:19,844 --> 00:05:23,706\n我在想如果榮總有這些作為我想是不是也可以跟其他的醫療院所來做一個分享其實主委剛剛有講得非常關鍵的就是那個薪資那我們的今天我們給予的這個福利等等其實都非常的重要而不是只有人力的這個調派比如說\n\n17\n00:05:40,672 --> 00:05:57,029\n那有些醫院說喔好喔那這樣子的話減少負擔那就是調派其他的人力比如說可能就是用什麼居服員來代替他們的工作這只能只是其中的一環那其他的這個福利政策我想是需要大家去努力的部分啦\n\n18\n00:05:57,389 --> 00:06:18,056\n那因為我在報導上面目前所看到的就是榮總他台中榮總其實有做了一些改進那我在想應該不是只有台中榮總其他的那個我們榮吉的醫院應該也有這方面相關的這些做法嘛對不對因為我想榮總體系都是一體的嘛不是只有台中榮總在做應該其他的只是說我可能是沒有看到這個報導是\n\n19\n00:06:20,237 --> 00:06:44,366\n副院長美玲委員好那台中總比較特別的做法除了薪資我們大概平均月薪大概7萬塊以外因為很多的護理工作的人他有了家庭生了小孩很多就必須放棄工作那我們有全國醫院設置最大的育兒托兒的中心大概有210個而且小孩子只要滿月之後就可以送來\n\n20\n00:06:45,286 --> 00:07:04,186\n而且我们一大早七点以前下班也可以延后这样的话能够让他们能够安心的工作另外我们有办因为护理人员他也没时间约会我们有跟邻近的台机店有他我们办理未婚典礼我们用游览车把他载出去让他们就有一些福利措施了\n\n21\n00:07:04,946 --> 00:07:14,732\n是比較多元有趣的這種方式留置我們的人緣那還有要補充其他的我們榮吉的意願北榮剛剛有說了那再來呢高雄榮總的做法還是報告委員我是屏東榮總院長\n\n22\n00:07:22,256 --> 00:07:49,846\n那本院到至今我一共招收152位護理師那我們的base比較小所以我們的152位將近是三四成那在主要如同剛剛講的提高薪資之外那本院今年提高了6000塊還有留任金那另外委員剛剛講的我們的輔助人力去讓急性病房的護理師的負擔降低這個也是讓他們樂於留任的原因這樣\n\n23\n00:07:50,746 --> 00:08:02,570\n那我們也有幼稚園是也有幼稚園那高雄榮總還有沒有特別的做法大家可以互相來學習謝謝委員關心我是高雄榮總院長陳欣順謝謝委員關心這個議題這個進議院的時候這個議題是對人來講非常重要\n\n24\n00:08:07,751 --> 00:08:36,209\n那我們在公家醫院裡面在輔導會指導之下的話我們只要是契約跟公職那持續的提升公職比例就像跟北龍學系一樣我們在持續提升大概百分之五十左右那契約上面其實跟前面的幾位的院長講法都很一致啦那我們在那邊在南部地區有個優勢啦在南部地區有許多的這個護理專科學校那我們跟護理專科學校都有很多的早鳥計畫所以近期我們在高雄總統在招募上面目前情況還算相當的穩定所以在護理比上面可以持續的達表謝謝委員關心謝謝\n\n25\n00:08:37,370 --> 00:08:43,143\nOK好因為時間的關係這一題就到這裡那大家一起加油那也希望說這個標準能夠繼續的維持好以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1930\t4611\t謝謝主席有請嚴主委請嚴主委主委好主委好主委近年來這個護理師的這個徵募真的是不容易就如剛剛我們沈伯陽委員所提到的所以現在呢我們看到有很多的這個醫療醫療院所呢面臨這個關病房的這個挑戰那去年呢本期也曾經關心過榮總的這一個\n31101\t54913\t這個互併比那當然我們今天從這個數據上來看去年呢很多比如說北榮也好 中榮也好 高雄榮總其實大夜班的部分去年其實都有一點超載可是我們從今年來看的話其實大家都達標了那屏東榮總也是那我們剛剛有提到說其實有很多醫療院所\n55253\t72961\t因為面臨這個護理人員的這個流失所以有所謂的關病房那我想理解的就是說像我們現在所有的這個大夜班等等不管白班小夜其實都已經達標那有沒有所謂護理人員流失或是關病房的狀況\n74502\t96832\t然後讓我們的數據呢看起來是符合的我想了解是這樣子當然我也有看到例外就是台中榮總我看今年五月的時候台中榮總其實就已經在調這個護理師的這個薪資平均每一個月2000到3000那還有調升這個薪資的福利跟教學的津貼等等那同時不管是留任跟進階都有獎勵那我在想說榮總是一個完整的一個體系\n98613\t109202\t那我看到台中榮總有這麼做那其他呢像北榮、高雄、屏東榮總那我們在這個留任護理師的留任或者是這個聘用我們有哪一些精進的措施 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激勵獎金各種獎金完全比照民間不輸給其他民間的醫院最主要還是我們說薪資還有福利我們宿舍我們完成一千兩百床讓他們用最低連一千塊價錢\n279429\t300601\t可以每個月在石牌天母地區可以住到一個很好的一個高級的宿舍另外還有托嬰托育以及運動休閒的設施等等這些都是從他的職位他的薪資他的福利三方面共同來共同來留住我們護理人力跟委員報告目前今年所招收護理人員中這些三個月內離職的都走個位數這跟過往是不一樣所以我們認為最困難的時間應該已經過去了謝謝\n303402\t319344\tOK 好 我在想這個是一個非常好的一個現象因為我們所理解的是前兩天我還跟一位苗栗的一個醫生在聊他說他們這個關床的情況非常的嚴重他說就是因為護理人員的這個流失\n319844\t323706\t我在想如果榮總有這些作為我想是不是也可以跟其他的醫療院所來做一個分享其實主委剛剛有講得非常關鍵的就是那個薪資那我們的今天我們給予的這個福利等等其實都非常的重要而不是只有人力的這個調派比如說\n340672\t357029\t那有些醫院說喔 好喔那這樣子的話減少負擔那就是調派其他的人力比如說可能就是用什麼居服員來代替他們的工作這只能只是其中的一環那其他的這個福利政策我想是需要大家去努力的部分啦\n357389\t378056\t那因為我在報導上面目前所看到的就是榮總他台中榮總其實有做了一些改進那我在想應該不是只有台中榮總其他的那個我們榮吉的醫院應該也有這方面相關的這些做法嘛對不對因為我想榮總體系都是一體的嘛不是只有台中榮總在做應該其他的只是說我可能是沒有看到這個報導是\n380237\t404366\t副院長美玲委員好那台中總比較特別的做法除了薪資我們大概平均月薪大概7萬塊以外因為很多的護理工作的人他有了家庭生了小孩很多就必須放棄工作那我們有全國醫院設置最大的育兒托兒的中心大概有210個而且小孩子只要滿月之後就可以送來\n405286\t424186\t而且我们一大早七点以前下班也可以延后这样的话能够让他们能够安心的工作另外我们有办因为护理人员他也没时间约会我们有跟邻近的台机店有他我们办理未婚典礼我们用游览车把他载出去让他们就有一些福利措施了\n424946\t434732\t是比較多元有趣的這種方式留置我們的人緣那還有要補充其他的我們榮吉的意願北榮剛剛有說了那再來呢高雄榮總的做法還是報告委員我是屏東榮總院長\n442256\t469846\t那本院到至今我一共招收152位護理師那我們的base比較小所以我們的152位將近是三四成那在主要如同剛剛講的提高薪資之外那本院今年提高了6000塊還有留任金那另外委員剛剛講的我們的輔助人力去讓急性病房的護理師的負擔降低這個也是讓他們樂於留任的原因這樣\n470746\t482570\t那我們也有幼稚園是也有幼稚園那高雄榮總還有沒有特別的做法大家可以互相來學習謝謝委員關心我是高雄榮總院長陳欣順謝謝委員關心這個議題這個進議院的時候這個議題是對人來講非常重要\n487751\t516209\t那我們在公家醫院裡面在輔導會指導之下的話我們只要是契約跟公職那持續的提升公職比例就像跟北龍學系一樣我們在持續提升大概百分之五十左右那契約上面其實跟前面的幾位的院長講法都很一致啦那我們在那邊在南部地區有個優勢啦在南部地區有許多的這個護理專科學校那我們跟護理專科學校都有很多的早鳥計畫所以近期我們在高雄總統在招募上面目前情況還算相當的穩定所以在護理比上面可以持續的達表謝謝委員關心 謝謝\n517370\t523143\tOK 好 因為時間的關係這一題就到這裡那大家一起加油那也希望說這個標準能夠繼續的維持好 以上謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請嚴主委請嚴主委主委好主委好主委近年來這個護理師的這個徵募真的是不容易就如剛剛我們沈伯陽委員所提到的所以現在呢我們看到有很多的這個醫療醫療院所呢面臨這個關病房的這個挑戰那去年呢本期也曾經關心過榮總的這一個\n這個互併比那當然我們今天從這個數據上來看去年呢很多比如說北榮也好 中榮也好 高雄榮總其實大夜班的部分去年其實都有一點超載可是我們從今年來看的話其實大家都達標了那屏東榮總也是那我們剛剛有提到說其實有很多醫療院所\n因為面臨這個護理人員的這個流失所以有所謂的關病房那我想理解的就是說像我們現在所有的這個大夜班等等不管白班小夜其實都已經達標那有沒有所謂護理人員流失或是關病房的狀況\n然後讓我們的數據呢看起來是符合的我想了解是這樣子當然我也有看到例外就是台中榮總我看今年五月的時候台中榮總其實就已經在調這個護理師的這個薪資平均每一個月2000到3000那還有調升這個薪資的福利跟教學的津貼等等那同時不管是留任跟進階都有獎勵那我在想說榮總是一個完整的一個體系\n那我看到台中榮總有這麼做那其他呢像北榮、高雄、屏東榮總那我們在這個留任護理師的留任或者是這個聘用我們有哪一些精進的措施 想請問\n謝謝委員關心我想我們到現在為止三班戶分比都是符合標準的那我先中報一下那如果待會兒不足的話請看高雄榮總或台中榮總院長讓他上來做補充我們的護理人力作為的一些精進的一些做法第一個就是招募護理人員提供在校的護理系的學生獎學金這是今年才開始嗎請問主委不好意思\n是今年才開始嗎不是今年大概已經一直都在這樣做一直都這麼做可是效果過去的話其實也沒有是我們想說精進那除了過去做的一些我們所謂的積極招募護理人員這個部分那除此之外呢因為我想說像這幾年真的是護理人員真的是流失非常的嚴重所以我們想如果說\n榮總都能夠達標那是不是也可以作為其他醫療院所的一個借鏡所以我們想了解說我們到底精進的做法是什麼是 報告委員最主要是薪資薪資 所以主委講到重點各級榮院公職還有契約護理師平均月薪我們經過調查是六萬二到八萬四是 平均的月薪然後還提供留任獎金僑生夜班費\n提供員工原券的一個就醫優惠然後提供在職跟出國進修訓練然後降低護理工作的負荷招募契約的照護員來分擔他們的工作而且最後一個就是提供多元彈性自主選擇排班我想我如果說報了不足的話是不是請北龍院長北龍副院長來做說明\n是所以我們這個剛剛主委所提到的這些精進護理人力的這些措施作為其實真的是有達到效果嗎就是因為這些精進的措施所以造成說我們的護病比其實都能夠達標是這樣子的意思嗎請問副院長\n謝謝委員關心我是台北榮總 李偉強副院長我們今年以為台北榮總人力我們總共招收到260位的護理人員這是歷年來最好的一次為什麼我們可以做到這樣的效果跟委員報告三點第一個來公家醫院最吸引護理人力就是公職還有公務人員身份我們現在已經有七成是公務人員身份的\n第二個對契約人力來說我們從起薪就提高兩級這都今年開始陸續提高的而且如果是政府公務人員其他公務人員提高3% 4%的薪資我們所有區域人員一律比照辦理進來之後8月報到有鑿鳥獎金\n還有早鳥獎金然後留任有留任獎金然後每個月的獎勵 激勵獎金各種獎金完全比照民間不輸給其他民間的醫院最主要還是我們說薪資還有福利我們宿舍我們完成一千兩百床讓他們用最低連一千塊價錢\n可以每個月在石牌天母地區可以住到一個很好的一個高級的宿舍另外還有托嬰托育以及運動休閒的設施等等這些都是從他的職位他的薪資他的福利三方面共同來共同來留住我們護理人力跟委員報告目前今年所招收護理人員中這些三個月內離職的都走個位數這跟過往是不一樣所以我們認為最困難的時間應該已經過去了謝謝\nOK 好 我在想這個是一個非常好的一個現象因為我們所理解的是前兩天我還跟一位苗栗的一個醫生在聊他說他們這個關床的情況非常的嚴重他說就是因為護理人員的這個流失\n我在想如果榮總有這些作為我想是不是也可以跟其他的醫療院所來做一個分享其實主委剛剛有講得非常關鍵的就是那個薪資那我們的今天我們給予的這個福利等等其實都非常的重要而不是只有人力的這個調派比如說\n那有些醫院說喔 好喔那這樣子的話減少負擔那就是調派其他的人力比如說可能就是用什麼居服員來代替他們的工作這只能只是其中的一環那其他的這個福利政策我想是需要大家去努力的部分啦\n那因為我在報導上面目前所看到的就是榮總他台中榮總其實有做了一些改進那我在想應該不是只有台中榮總其他的那個我們榮吉的醫院應該也有這方面相關的這些做法嘛對不對因為我想榮總體系都是一體的嘛不是只有台中榮總在做應該其他的只是說我可能是沒有看到這個報導是\n副院長美玲委員好那台中總比較特別的做法除了薪資我們大概平均月薪大概7萬塊以外因為很多的護理工作的人他有了家庭生了小孩很多就必須放棄工作那我們有全國醫院設置最大的育兒托兒的中心大概有210個而且小孩子只要滿月之後就可以送來\n而且我们一大早七点以前下班也可以延后这样的话能够让他们能够安心的工作另外我们有办因为护理人员他也没时间约会我们有跟邻近的台机店有他我们办理未婚典礼我们用游览车把他载出去让他们就有一些福利措施了\n是比較多元有趣的這種方式留置我們的人緣那還有要補充其他的我們榮吉的意願北榮剛剛有說了那再來呢高雄榮總的做法還是報告委員我是屏東榮總院長\n那本院到至今我一共招收152位護理師那我們的base比較小所以我們的152位將近是三四成那在主要如同剛剛講的提高薪資之外那本院今年提高了6000塊還有留任金那另外委員剛剛講的我們的輔助人力去讓急性病房的護理師的負擔降低這個也是讓他們樂於留任的原因這樣\n那我們也有幼稚園是也有幼稚園那高雄榮總還有沒有特別的做法大家可以互相來學習謝謝委員關心我是高雄榮總院長陳欣順謝謝委員關心這個議題這個進議院的時候這個議題是對人來講非常重要\n那我們在公家醫院裡面在輔導會指導之下的話我們只要是契約跟公職那持續的提升公職比例就像跟北龍學系一樣我們在持續提升大概百分之五十左右那契約上面其實跟前面的幾位的院長講法都很一致啦那我們在那邊在南部地區有個優勢啦在南部地區有許多的這個護理專科學校那我們跟護理專科學校都有很多的早鳥計畫所以近期我們在高雄總統在招募上面目前情況還算相當的穩定所以在護理比上面可以持續的達表謝謝委員關心 謝謝\nOK 好 因為時間的關係這一題就到這裡那大家一起加油那也希望說這個標準能夠繼續的維持好 以上謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.930 --> 00:04.611\n謝謝主席有請嚴主委請嚴主委主委好主委好主委近年來這個護理師的這個徵募真的是不容易就如剛剛我們沈伯陽委員所提到的所以現在呢我們看到有很多的這個醫療醫療院所呢面臨這個關病房的這個挑戰那去年呢本期也曾經關心過榮總的這一個\n\n00:31.101 --> 00:54.913\n這個互併比那當然我們今天從這個數據上來看去年呢很多比如說北榮也好中榮也好高雄榮總其實大夜班的部分去年其實都有一點超載可是我們從今年來看的話其實大家都達標了那屏東榮總也是那我們剛剛有提到說其實有很多醫療院所\n\n00:55.253 --> 01:12.961\n因為面臨這個護理人員的這個流失所以有所謂的關病房那我想理解的就是說像我們現在所有的這個大夜班等等不管白班小夜其實都已經達標那有沒有所謂護理人員流失或是關病房的狀況\n\n01:14.502 --> 01:36.832\n然後讓我們的數據呢看起來是符合的我想了解是這樣子當然我也有看到例外就是台中榮總我看今年五月的時候台中榮總其實就已經在調這個護理師的這個薪資平均每一個月2000到3000那還有調升這個薪資的福利跟教學的津貼等等那同時不管是留任跟進階都有獎勵那我在想說榮總是一個完整的一個體系\n\n01:38.613 --> 01:49.202\n那我看到台中榮總有這麼做那其他呢像北榮、高雄、屏東榮總那我們在這個留任護理師的留任或者是這個聘用我們有哪一些精進的措施想請問\n\n01:50.943 --> 02:16.149\n謝謝委員關心我想我們到現在為止三班戶分比都是符合標準的那我先中報一下那如果待會兒不足的話請看高雄榮總或台中榮總院長讓他上來做補充我們的護理人力作為的一些精進的一些做法第一個就是招募護理人員提供在校的護理系的學生獎學金這是今年才開始嗎請問主委不好意思\n\n02:16.869 --> 02:37.437\n是今年才開始嗎不是今年大概已經一直都在這樣做一直都這麼做可是效果過去的話其實也沒有是我們想說精進那除了過去做的一些我們所謂的積極招募護理人員這個部分那除此之外呢因為我想說像這幾年真的是護理人員真的是流失非常的嚴重所以我們想如果說\n\n02:39.777 --> 03:05.745\n榮總都能夠達標那是不是也可以作為其他醫療院所的一個借鏡所以我們想了解說我們到底精進的做法是什麼是報告委員最主要是薪資薪資所以主委講到重點各級榮院公職還有契約護理師平均月薪我們經過調查是六萬二到八萬四是平均的月薪然後還提供留任獎金僑生夜班費\n\n03:06.645 --> 03:31.555\n提供員工原券的一個就醫優惠然後提供在職跟出國進修訓練然後降低護理工作的負荷招募契約的照護員來分擔他們的工作而且最後一個就是提供多元彈性自主選擇排班我想我如果說報了不足的話是不是請北龍院長北龍副院長來做說明\n\n03:31.895 --> 03:46.657\n是所以我們這個剛剛主委所提到的這些精進護理人力的這些措施作為其實真的是有達到效果嗎就是因為這些精進的措施所以造成說我們的護病比其實都能夠達標是這樣子的意思嗎請問副院長\n\n03:47.938 --> 04:07.607\n謝謝委員關心我是台北榮總李偉強副院長我們今年以為台北榮總人力我們總共招收到260位的護理人員這是歷年來最好的一次為什麼我們可以做到這樣的效果跟委員報告三點第一個來公家醫院最吸引護理人力就是公職還有公務人員身份我們現在已經有七成是公務人員身份的\n\n04:08.007 --> 04:21.154\n第二個對契約人力來說我們從起薪就提高兩級這都今年開始陸續提高的而且如果是政府公務人員其他公務人員提高3%4%的薪資我們所有區域人員一律比照辦理進來之後8月報到有鑿鳥獎金\n\n04:24.555 --> 04:38.448\n還有早鳥獎金然後留任有留任獎金然後每個月的獎勵激勵獎金各種獎金完全比照民間不輸給其他民間的醫院最主要還是我們說薪資還有福利我們宿舍我們完成一千兩百床讓他們用最低連一千塊價錢\n\n04:39.429 --> 05:00.601\n可以每個月在石牌天母地區可以住到一個很好的一個高級的宿舍另外還有托嬰托育以及運動休閒的設施等等這些都是從他的職位他的薪資他的福利三方面共同來共同來留住我們護理人力跟委員報告目前今年所招收護理人員中這些三個月內離職的都走個位數這跟過往是不一樣所以我們認為最困難的時間應該已經過去了謝謝\n\n05:03.402 --> 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