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00:02:14,669\n所以我们去这样子的情况底下没有道德的风险最近乌克兰也指控我们有些无人机的零件又是我们处理的我们没有道德的风险没有国安的风险没有经济的风险任何三个都没有现在确定的就是说我们会遵循就是说符合或配合欧盟跟G7所以说欧盟跟G7的标准符合的话我们就没有这个风险你的意思是这样子吗\n\n7\n00:02:15,755 --> 00:02:32,080\n如果據了解啦據了解歐盟可能在明年的時候會講說就不要再買了那如果突然之間川普說要因此而給你增加關稅呢你怎麼承受我們怎麼承受沒有聽到這樣的訊息沒有聽到這樣的訊息沒有聽到這個訊息那有沒有這個可能性\n\n8\n00:02:33,380 --> 00:02:59,723\n我沒有辦法預測沒有辦法預測他就一個潛力在那邊印度就一個潛力在那邊我們只能跟這個我們的民間廠商來做溝通他也願意配合那他願意配合願意配合怎麼配合法如果歐盟明年說不能買他就不買所以這要承受我們就直接承受等到歐盟明年改變再改變明年改變我們再跟著改變是不是這樣子\n\n9\n00:03:00,717 --> 00:03:11,611\n沒有現在的情況因為相關的歐盟的規範是符合可是問題還是停留在一個風險的存在不是嗎你說這三個都沒有風險\n\n10\n00:03:14,417 --> 00:03:33,209\n有我們有Watch到你有Watch到了我是希望你說你要盡量避免盡量避險的角度我主要跟你Argue的是這個部分要有所作為而另外的部分因為232條款當中一直都針對是半導體的部分可是一般的補助的部分一般的非半導體的部分衝擊非常的大\n\n11\n00:03:33,949 --> 00:03:48,240\n我是提醒部長的部分這個部分應該要有一個特專案的補助而不是只有一般性的只有研發型補助五百萬或者開拓另一市場五百萬而已啦我請部長回去好好的思考一下這個問題好不好那個461基本上大部分是針對傳統性產業因為232還沒有公佈所以這個\n\n12\n00:03:52,023 --> 00:04:05,030\n金額的協助所以說不是一般的不是普及性的而且有專案式的嘛對不對對是針對我們會專案去輔導我們輔導團會去專案因為這部分衝擊非常的大這是部分衝擊非常的大另外我再請一下那個農業部的那個陳部長部長\n\n13\n00:04:07,871 --> 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