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00:01:37,491\n積極推動的個別化處遇計畫針對不同的犯刑情節受刑人引進專業的輔導人力以及醫療資源增加個案在間所需的心理輔導與身心治療密度這樣的一段話那試圖想要化解外界的疑慮可是本席看到這個新聞稿感受到就是說怎麼矯正署就以這樣的一指\n\n5\n00:01:38,231 --> 00:01:57,876\n聊聊術語的新聞稿就想要打消外界的疑慮我覺得這樣子是一個不負責任的一個做法那麼事實上針對就是在這個受刑人這個當時他在監獄裡面他到底接受了什麼樣子的一個教化\n\n6\n00:01:59,456 --> 00:02:19,985\n的輔導那麼我們知道依照監獄刑刑法的規定其實凶嫌在監獄服刑的期間都必須要有一個入監調查結果以及個別的處遇計劃那麼請問到底這方面當時的矯正署你們有沒有再去把這個受刑人他當時在監獄裡面所\n\n7\n00:02:23,766 --> 00:02:49,149\n接受了哪些訓練以及他的處遇的計畫結果拿出來看拿出來檢視中間有沒有發現有什麼地方是沒有做到的以至於他出獄之後又同樣再犯可不可以請署長來報告一下有關於這名更生人在這段時間裡面他到底受了些什麼樣的訓練\n\n8\n00:02:50,486 --> 00:03:12,331\n好謝謝委員的關心其實這個個案的話發生之後我們就深切的檢討我們針對類似個案的話我們要求現階段我們全面的普查看還有沒有類似像他這樣犯罪的情節然後我們給他做的這些教誨處理的跟毒品的這樣的一個處理情形看有沒有到位那其實這個秋信個案的話我們跟他調查的結果的話\n\n9\n00:03:12,895 --> 00:03:40,254\n他在監獄的輔導總共有70次教育室對他的輔導70次有70次的一個輔導不管是一般的個別的一個輔導或是說他針對他毒品的針對他暴力的這樣加起來有70次的一個輔導另外他在監獄的就診有80次都有按照規定來跟他做一個處置可是的話他有一個很特別的情形他並沒有看身心科\n\n10\n00:03:40,934 --> 00:04:03,813\n并没有什么并没有看身心科他没有列入我们精神科的一个疾患的列管的个案因为他当初发难的时候的话当初的话也有透过在法院端有透过那个中国医药学院跟他做一个鉴定认为他的现实感还是充足的并不是因为精神病而来犯这个个案所以说从很多迹象来跟他看的话\n\n11\n00:04:05,195 --> 00:04:20,852\n似乎他是一個非常特別他應該在人格上有某種衝動的不理性的或是他的那個壓力到一個點的話他容易的話整個人的話就整個人爆發出這樣的特別的一個行為出來所以說像這樣的我們會特別來跟他了解\n\n12\n00:04:21,533 --> 00:04:46,081\n刚刚的这个说明当中可以知道其实在整个的这个教化过程他接受了这么多辅导的这个过程当中应该总是会有些迹象认为说这个受醒人是不是应该要去看看精神科而且你们看起来是以第一次他入狱的时候的当时的那个判断来作为他是否是需要接受相关的精神方面的治疗那么对于一个受醒人他在监狱里面\n\n13\n00:04:47,741 --> 00:05:04,666\n做滿了這個8年多的假刑期難免我覺得他的心理上面可能也會有一些改變那這部分的話本期希望就是未來矯正署可能要再對於類似像這樣的受刑人必須要再有更多方面的\n\n14\n00:05:06,067 --> 00:05:11,033\n檢查或檢討不能夠說是讓這樣子的一個問題之後他們出獄之後又再發生重蹈覆轍這個是會對於社會來講這是一個很危險大家都認為說像這樣一個是不定時的炸彈那麼以及之後像是\n\n15\n00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:45,138\n对于这个假设和出狱之后的受保护管束人还有更生人的追踪机制社区安全防护精神治疗以及相关的辅导资源这部分其实我建议法务部缴证署还有联同卫福部那边应该要有一个更宏观的一个计划方案能够提出来\n\n16\n00:05:45,538 --> 00:05:59,470\n這樣的話其實對於社會來講才會感受到是比較安全的那這部分的話可能請防務部還有矯正署署長這部分要積極的要做進行一些跨部會的會議那麼也請這個矯正署可能在兩週之內是不是可以將您剛剛所說的\n\n17\n00:06:03,653 --> 00:06:24,343\n對於這個邱姓受刑人當時在監獄裡面所做的輔導教育相關記錄能夠提供給本席這邊一份資料好那麼接下來我請署長可以先回座我接下來要請廉政署的副署長以及調查局副署長然後也麻煩這邊的話有些問題要就叫部長部長我接下來我想請教您的就是您認為我國的廉政績效好嗎\n\n18\n00:06:32,048 --> 00:06:52,239\n現在是一直在進步之中有在進步嗎對啊因為我們那個CPI的一個指數上是從180進步到25這個是上個年度進步三名我想我們一直在進步好了這兩年都是這個差不多是67分排名第25名這個我坦白說這個排名並不是\n\n19\n00:06:52,899 --> 00:07:11,300\n一個很好的一個名次為什麼呢因為我們如果看到這個幾個在國家裡面就設有專責的廉政機構的這樣的一個機關他的青年印象指數排名來說的話我們在亞洲我們是\n\n20\n00:07:12,421 --> 00:07:34,767\n排名第四位新加坡排名第三澳洲第十名香港第十七名然後台灣是第25名事實上跟這個已有廉政專責機關國家做相比台灣是敬佩莫做並不是說是很好也許在整個全世界來說看起來不算太差但是事實上因為我們是設有專責的廉政機關的\n\n21\n00:07:36,807 --> 00:07:58,953\n所以這個青年印象指數的排名這部分其實有待加強的那當然本席這裡有發現到一個問題就是說看起來現在我們的宿攤機關似乎有跌床駕屋的問題因為我們同時又有廉政署那調查局底下呢又有一個廉政處這兩個機關這兩個單位彼此之間在權責方面似乎就有出現\n\n22\n00:07:59,973 --> 00:08:24,039\n有競合或是衝突的一些問題那就這部分來講當然會影響到整個廉政效能如果說當發生某些事情的時候然後能互推皮球那就變成功能不彰那當然有可能就是如果兩個機關都願意積極的去處理可能也會發生一些事務上的競合所以就這部分來講吳曉得部長你怎麼去看這兩個機關的彼此之間的職權衝突的問題\n\n23\n00:08:30,247 --> 00:08:49,992\n我想這個是調查局跟廉政組各有職長調查局的話他也不是只有數攤他有其他的一些的犯罪的一些的偵辦那另外廉政組最是以防攤為主數攤為輔那因為是一個分進合集交叉佛網的一個概念那我想這個剛剛委員有關心的是不是有進合的問題\n\n24\n00:08:50,652 --> 00:09:01,399\n那雖然剛開始的話大家一定有一些的不習慣有磨合的地方到目前為止今天就是在開調聯的一個聯繫的會議那我想現在調查局跟廉政署這邊是合作無間那有些案件是兩個單位是由在檢察官那個偵查組體合作無間就好像一個屋頂有兩個有兩面的那個那個時候一個檢察官當一個偵查他會指揮廉政署跟指揮調查局的這些廉政官跟調查員來做一個合辦的\n\n25\n00:09:20,452 --> 00:09:42,532\n好謝謝部長那因為時間的關係所以我想這個部分的話本席要求一個月內請調查局跟廉政署能夠提出這個廉政速攤的績效分析並且法務部應該要就廉政組織人力及修法的調整來提出相關的評估報告那麼如果說今天正好在開會的話也可以把相關的會議的記錄也提供給本席一份做參考\n\n26\n00:09:43,953 --> 00:10:08,778\n這樣可以嗎可以最後一個問題就是有關於這次我看到你們在立法計畫裡面有一個法案本身很有興趣叫做國民參與不起訴處分審查法這個部分看起來你們是參考日本的法治正在研擬有關於國民參與不起訴處分的審查法\n\n27\n00:10:09,338 --> 00:10:30,857\n那麼這個部分基本上就是可能未來可以讓國民直接參與整個的不起訴處分的審查就是似乎就是從現在有國民法官以後變成有國民檢察官那就這個部分來講的話不知道就是法務部這邊可不可以簡單的說明這部分我請那個次長來因為他要訪問\n\n28\n00:10:37,059 --> 00:10:57,946\n各位報告有關於國民參審的部分事實上本部已經有研理相關的草案那因為這涉及到國民法官國民參審的問題我們要目前呢這個法案還在研議當中那因為涉及到國民審查會他到底要設在法院還是設在檢查體系他涉及很大的一個組織的一個變造改造的問題所以基本上這個草案我們是引進日本制度目前還在研議當中\n\n29\n00:10:58,206 --> 00:11:25,684\n是基本上本席其實也支持像這樣子的一個做法就是如果說可以擴及到就不起訴處分的話那麼可以讓這個國民讓社會那麼對於檢察官的種種作為可以更更有機會去參與然後去檢視那麼可以提升司法的信任度那麼另外呢其實本席在最近我也提出了一個新的修法就是呢為了要強化司法的透明公正應該要從檢查書類\n\n30\n00:11:28,386 --> 00:11:56,885\n公開的這個方面做起那麼未來不僅是要公開這個起訴書連不起訴書還有這個相關檢疫判決的處刑等等這些歧視都要公布那這部分的話我想也希望保護部能夠支持本席所提出的這樣的法案畢竟這個部分可以提升社會大眾對於司法資訊的公開透明提升信任度我覺得這是很有必要的\n\n31\n00:11:57,686 --> 00:12:14,904\n關於這個不歧途處分書類是否要公開因為不歧途處分畢竟是犯罪嫌疑不足所以這部分是否要公開因為涉及到當事人的個人隱私問題還有政策不公開問題這部分我們再來研議我今天就是質詢到這邊然後也請部長這裡提供給本席相關的報告謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1476\t6978\t好 謝謝 那麼有請部長還有矯正署的署長麻煩部長 署長委員早是 部長好因為剛剛這個中線委員也都談到了有關於這個日前發生的苗栗的這個隨機砍人案那麼這個凶刑其實在10年前也在同一個地方以同樣的方式砍傷了4人那沒想到出獄\n27684\t46168\t之後還差不多半年左右的時間又在隨機砍傷了三人這次有兩名國小的女童以及一名見義有為出來要制止兇手的這樣的一個男士那當然案件發生之後真的很多的民眾就在質疑說到底我們矯正機關的狀化功能是不是出了嚴重的問題\n50669\t73314\t尤其是這名本來他就是一個吸毒犯那麼剛剛其實中信委員其實這裡已經也都問過了所以我接下來我想要再談的一件事情就是首先就是其實本席看到矯正署在這個案件發生之後隨即就發布了新聞稿深切譴責暴力犯罪並且指出在近年\n74214\t97491\t積極推動的個別化處遇計畫針對不同的犯刑情節受刑人引進專業的輔導人力以及醫療資源增加個案在間所需的心理輔導與身心治療密度這樣的一段話那試圖想要化解外界的疑慮可是本席看到這個新聞稿感受到就是說怎麼矯正署就以這樣的一指\n98231\t117876\t聊聊術語的新聞稿就想要打消外界的疑慮我覺得這樣子是一個不負責任的一個做法那麼事實上針對就是在這個受刑人這個當時他在監獄裡面他到底接受了什麼樣子的一個教化\n119456\t139985\t的輔導那麼我們知道依照監獄刑刑法的規定其實凶嫌在監獄服刑的期間都必須要有一個入監調查結果以及個別的處遇計劃那麼請問到底這方面當時的矯正署你們有沒有再去把這個受刑人他當時在監獄裡面所\n143766\t169149\t接受了哪些訓練以及他的處遇的計畫結果拿出來看 拿出來檢視中間有沒有發現有什麼地方是沒有做到的以至於他出獄之後又同樣再犯可不可以請署長來報告一下有關於這名更生人在這段時間裡面他到底受了些什麼樣的訓練\n170486\t192331\t好 謝謝委員的關心其實這個個案的話發生之後我們就深切的檢討我們針對類似個案的話我們要求現階段我們全面的普查看還有沒有類似像他這樣犯罪的情節然後我們給他做的這些教誨處理的跟毒品的這樣的一個處理情形看有沒有到位那其實這個秋信個案的話我們跟他調查的結果的話\n192895\t220254\t他在監獄的輔導總共有70次教育室對他的輔導70次有70次的一個輔導不管是一般的個別的一個輔導或是說他針對他毒品的針對他暴力的這樣加起來有70次的一個輔導另外他在監獄的就診有80次都有按照規定來跟他做一個處置可是的話他有一個很特別的情形他並沒有看身心科\n220934\t243813\t并没有什么并没有看身心科他没有列入我们精神科的一个疾患的列管的个案因为他当初发难的时候的话当初的话也有透过在法院端有透过那个中国医药学院跟他做一个鉴定认为他的现实感还是充足的并不是因为精神病而来犯这个个案所以说从很多迹象来跟他看的话\n245195\t260852\t似乎他是一個非常特別他應該在人格上有某種衝動的不理性的或是他的那個壓力到一個點的話他容易的話整個人的話就整個人爆發出這樣的特別的一個行為出來所以說像這樣的我們會特別來跟他了解\n261533\t286081\t刚刚的这个说明当中可以知道其实在整个的这个教化过程他接受了这么多辅导的这个过程当中应该总是会有些迹象认为说这个受醒人是不是应该要去看看精神科而且你们看起来是以第一次他入狱的时候的当时的那个判断来作为他是否是需要接受相关的精神方面的治疗那么对于一个受醒人他在监狱里面\n287741\t304666\t做滿了這個8年多的假刑期難免我覺得他的心理上面可能也會有一些改變那這部分的話本期希望就是未來矯正署可能要再對於類似像這樣的受刑人必須要再有更多方面的\n306067\t311033\t檢查或檢討不能夠說是讓這樣子的一個問題之後他們出獄之後又再發生重蹈覆轍這個是會對於社會來講這是一個很危險大家都認為說像這樣一個是不定時的炸彈那麼以及之後像是\n325430\t345138\t对于这个假设和出狱之后的受保护管束人还有更生人的追踪机制社区安全防护精神治疗以及相关的辅导资源这部分其实我建议法务部缴证署还有联同卫福部那边应该要有一个更宏观的一个计划方案能够提出来\n345538\t359470\t這樣的話其實對於社會來講才會感受到是比較安全的那這部分的話可能請防務部還有矯正署署長這部分要積極的要做進行一些跨部會的會議那麼也請這個矯正署可能在兩週之內是不是可以將您剛剛所說的\n363653\t384343\t對於這個邱姓受刑人當時在監獄裡面所做的輔導教育相關記錄能夠提供給本席這邊一份資料好 那麼接下來我請署長可以先回座我接下來要請廉政署的副署長以及調查局副署長然後也麻煩這邊的話有些問題要就叫部長部長 我接下來我想請教您的就是您認為我國的廉政績效好嗎\n392048\t412239\t現在是一直在進步之中有在進步嗎對啊因為我們那個CPI的一個指數上是從180進步到25這個是上個年度進步三名我想我們一直在進步好了這兩年都是這個差不多是67分排名第25名這個我坦白說這個排名並不是\n412899\t431300\t一個很好的一個名次為什麼呢因為我們如果看到這個幾個在國家裡面就設有專責的廉政機構的這樣的一個機關他的青年印象指數排名來說的話我們在亞洲我們是\n432421\t454767\t排名第四位新加坡排名第三澳洲第十名香港第十七名然後台灣是第25名事實上跟這個已有廉政專責機關國家做相比台灣是敬佩莫做並不是說是很好也許在整個全世界來說看起來不算太差但是事實上因為我們是設有專責的廉政機關的\n456807\t478953\t所以這個青年印象指數的排名這部分其實有待加強的那當然本席這裡有發現到一個問題就是說看起來現在我們的宿攤機關似乎有跌床駕屋的問題因為我們同時又有廉政署那調查局底下呢又有一個廉政處這兩個機關這兩個單位彼此之間在權責方面似乎就有出現\n479973\t504039\t有競合或是衝突的一些問題那就這部分來講當然會影響到整個廉政效能如果說當發生某些事情的時候然後能互推皮球那就變成功能不彰那當然有可能就是如果兩個機關都願意積極的去處理可能也會發生一些事務上的競合所以就這部分來講吳曉得部長你怎麼去看這兩個機關的彼此之間的職權衝突的問題\n510247\t529992\t我想這個是調查局跟廉政組各有職長調查局的話他也不是只有數攤他有其他的一些的犯罪的一些的偵辦那另外廉政組最是以防攤為主數攤為輔那因為是一個分進合集交叉佛網的一個概念那我想這個剛剛委員有關心的是不是有進合的問題\n530652\t541399\t那雖然剛開始的話大家一定有一些的不習慣有磨合的地方到目前為止今天就是在開調聯的一個聯繫的會議那我想現在調查局跟廉政署這邊是合作無間那有些案件是兩個單位是由在檢察官那個偵查組體合作無間就好像一個屋頂有兩個有兩面的那個那個時候一個檢察官當一個偵查他會指揮廉政署跟指揮調查局的這些廉政官跟調查員來做一個合辦的\n560452\t582532\t好 謝謝部長那因為時間的關係所以我想這個部分的話本席要求一個月內請調查局跟廉政署能夠提出這個廉政速攤的績效分析並且法務部應該要就廉政組織人力及修法的調整來提出相關的評估報告那麼如果說今天正好在開會的話也可以把相關的會議的記錄也提供給本席一份做參考\n583953\t608778\t這樣可以嗎可以最後一個問題就是有關於這次我看到你們在立法計畫裡面有一個法案本身很有興趣叫做國民參與不起訴處分審查法這個部分看起來你們是參考日本的法治正在研擬有關於國民參與不起訴處分的審查法\n609338\t630857\t那麼這個部分基本上就是可能未來可以讓國民直接參與整個的不起訴處分的審查就是似乎就是從現在有國民法官以後變成有國民檢察官那就這個部分來講的話不知道就是法務部這邊可不可以簡單的說明這部分我請那個次長來 因為他要訪問\n637059\t657946\t各位報告有關於國民參審的部分事實上本部已經有研理相關的草案那因為這涉及到國民法官國民參審的問題我們要目前呢這個法案還在研議當中那因為涉及到國民審查會他到底要設在法院還是設在檢查體系他涉及很大的一個組織的一個變造改造的問題所以基本上這個草案我們是引進日本制度目前還在研議當中\n658206\t685684\t是基本上本席其實也支持像這樣子的一個做法就是如果說可以擴及到就不起訴處分的話那麼可以讓這個國民讓社會那麼對於檢察官的種種作為可以更更有機會去參與然後去檢視那麼可以提升司法的信任度那麼另外呢其實本席在最近我也提出了一個新的修法就是呢為了要強化司法的透明公正應該要從檢查書類\n688386\t716885\t公開的這個方面做起那麼未來不僅是要公開這個起訴書連不起訴書還有這個相關檢疫判決的處刑等等這些歧視都要公布那這部分的話我想也希望保護部能夠支持本席所提出的這樣的法案畢竟這個部分可以提升社會大眾對於司法資訊的公開透明提升信任度我覺得這是很有必要的\n717686\t734904\t關於這個不歧途處分書類是否要公開因為不歧途處分畢竟是犯罪嫌疑不足所以這部分是否要公開因為涉及到當事人的個人隱私問題還有政策不公開問題這部分我們再來研議我今天就是質詢到這邊然後也請部長這裡提供給本席相關的報告謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝 那麼有請部長還有矯正署的署長麻煩部長 署長委員早是 部長好因為剛剛這個中線委員也都談到了有關於這個日前發生的苗栗的這個隨機砍人案那麼這個凶刑其實在10年前也在同一個地方以同樣的方式砍傷了4人那沒想到出獄\n之後還差不多半年左右的時間又在隨機砍傷了三人這次有兩名國小的女童以及一名見義有為出來要制止兇手的這樣的一個男士那當然案件發生之後真的很多的民眾就在質疑說到底我們矯正機關的狀化功能是不是出了嚴重的問題\n尤其是這名本來他就是一個吸毒犯那麼剛剛其實中信委員其實這裡已經也都問過了所以我接下來我想要再談的一件事情就是首先就是其實本席看到矯正署在這個案件發生之後隨即就發布了新聞稿深切譴責暴力犯罪並且指出在近年\n積極推動的個別化處遇計畫針對不同的犯刑情節受刑人引進專業的輔導人力以及醫療資源增加個案在間所需的心理輔導與身心治療密度這樣的一段話那試圖想要化解外界的疑慮可是本席看到這個新聞稿感受到就是說怎麼矯正署就以這樣的一指\n聊聊術語的新聞稿就想要打消外界的疑慮我覺得這樣子是一個不負責任的一個做法那麼事實上針對就是在這個受刑人這個當時他在監獄裡面他到底接受了什麼樣子的一個教化\n的輔導那麼我們知道依照監獄刑刑法的規定其實凶嫌在監獄服刑的期間都必須要有一個入監調查結果以及個別的處遇計劃那麼請問到底這方面當時的矯正署你們有沒有再去把這個受刑人他當時在監獄裡面所\n接受了哪些訓練以及他的處遇的計畫結果拿出來看 拿出來檢視中間有沒有發現有什麼地方是沒有做到的以至於他出獄之後又同樣再犯可不可以請署長來報告一下有關於這名更生人在這段時間裡面他到底受了些什麼樣的訓練\n好 謝謝委員的關心其實這個個案的話發生之後我們就深切的檢討我們針對類似個案的話我們要求現階段我們全面的普查看還有沒有類似像他這樣犯罪的情節然後我們給他做的這些教誨處理的跟毒品的這樣的一個處理情形看有沒有到位那其實這個秋信個案的話我們跟他調查的結果的話\n他在監獄的輔導總共有70次教育室對他的輔導70次有70次的一個輔導不管是一般的個別的一個輔導或是說他針對他毒品的針對他暴力的這樣加起來有70次的一個輔導另外他在監獄的就診有80次都有按照規定來跟他做一個處置可是的話他有一個很特別的情形他並沒有看身心科\n并没有什么并没有看身心科他没有列入我们精神科的一个疾患的列管的个案因为他当初发难的时候的话当初的话也有透过在法院端有透过那个中国医药学院跟他做一个鉴定认为他的现实感还是充足的并不是因为精神病而来犯这个个案所以说从很多迹象来跟他看的话\n似乎他是一個非常特別他應該在人格上有某種衝動的不理性的或是他的那個壓力到一個點的話他容易的話整個人的話就整個人爆發出這樣的特別的一個行為出來所以說像這樣的我們會特別來跟他了解\n刚刚的这个说明当中可以知道其实在整个的这个教化过程他接受了这么多辅导的这个过程当中应该总是会有些迹象认为说这个受醒人是不是应该要去看看精神科而且你们看起来是以第一次他入狱的时候的当时的那个判断来作为他是否是需要接受相关的精神方面的治疗那么对于一个受醒人他在监狱里面\n做滿了這個8年多的假刑期難免我覺得他的心理上面可能也會有一些改變那這部分的話本期希望就是未來矯正署可能要再對於類似像這樣的受刑人必須要再有更多方面的\n檢查或檢討不能夠說是讓這樣子的一個問題之後他們出獄之後又再發生重蹈覆轍這個是會對於社會來講這是一個很危險大家都認為說像這樣一個是不定時的炸彈那麼以及之後像是\n对于这个假设和出狱之后的受保护管束人还有更生人的追踪机制社区安全防护精神治疗以及相关的辅导资源这部分其实我建议法务部缴证署还有联同卫福部那边应该要有一个更宏观的一个计划方案能够提出来\n這樣的話其實對於社會來講才會感受到是比較安全的那這部分的話可能請防務部還有矯正署署長這部分要積極的要做進行一些跨部會的會議那麼也請這個矯正署可能在兩週之內是不是可以將您剛剛所說的\n對於這個邱姓受刑人當時在監獄裡面所做的輔導教育相關記錄能夠提供給本席這邊一份資料好 那麼接下來我請署長可以先回座我接下來要請廉政署的副署長以及調查局副署長然後也麻煩這邊的話有些問題要就叫部長部長 我接下來我想請教您的就是您認為我國的廉政績效好嗎\n現在是一直在進步之中有在進步嗎對啊因為我們那個CPI的一個指數上是從180進步到25這個是上個年度進步三名我想我們一直在進步好了這兩年都是這個差不多是67分排名第25名這個我坦白說這個排名並不是\n一個很好的一個名次為什麼呢因為我們如果看到這個幾個在國家裡面就設有專責的廉政機構的這樣的一個機關他的青年印象指數排名來說的話我們在亞洲我們是\n排名第四位新加坡排名第三澳洲第十名香港第十七名然後台灣是第25名事實上跟這個已有廉政專責機關國家做相比台灣是敬佩莫做並不是說是很好也許在整個全世界來說看起來不算太差但是事實上因為我們是設有專責的廉政機關的\n所以這個青年印象指數的排名這部分其實有待加強的那當然本席這裡有發現到一個問題就是說看起來現在我們的宿攤機關似乎有跌床駕屋的問題因為我們同時又有廉政署那調查局底下呢又有一個廉政處這兩個機關這兩個單位彼此之間在權責方面似乎就有出現\n有競合或是衝突的一些問題那就這部分來講當然會影響到整個廉政效能如果說當發生某些事情的時候然後能互推皮球那就變成功能不彰那當然有可能就是如果兩個機關都願意積極的去處理可能也會發生一些事務上的競合所以就這部分來講吳曉得部長你怎麼去看這兩個機關的彼此之間的職權衝突的問題\n我想這個是調查局跟廉政組各有職長調查局的話他也不是只有數攤他有其他的一些的犯罪的一些的偵辦那另外廉政組最是以防攤為主數攤為輔那因為是一個分進合集交叉佛網的一個概念那我想這個剛剛委員有關心的是不是有進合的問題\n那雖然剛開始的話大家一定有一些的不習慣有磨合的地方到目前為止今天就是在開調聯的一個聯繫的會議那我想現在調查局跟廉政署這邊是合作無間那有些案件是兩個單位是由在檢察官那個偵查組體合作無間就好像一個屋頂有兩個有兩面的那個那個時候一個檢察官當一個偵查他會指揮廉政署跟指揮調查局的這些廉政官跟調查員來做一個合辦的\n好 謝謝部長那因為時間的關係所以我想這個部分的話本席要求一個月內請調查局跟廉政署能夠提出這個廉政速攤的績效分析並且法務部應該要就廉政組織人力及修法的調整來提出相關的評估報告那麼如果說今天正好在開會的話也可以把相關的會議的記錄也提供給本席一份做參考\n這樣可以嗎可以最後一個問題就是有關於這次我看到你們在立法計畫裡面有一個法案本身很有興趣叫做國民參與不起訴處分審查法這個部分看起來你們是參考日本的法治正在研擬有關於國民參與不起訴處分的審查法\n那麼這個部分基本上就是可能未來可以讓國民直接參與整個的不起訴處分的審查就是似乎就是從現在有國民法官以後變成有國民檢察官那就這個部分來講的話不知道就是法務部這邊可不可以簡單的說明這部分我請那個次長來 因為他要訪問\n各位報告有關於國民參審的部分事實上本部已經有研理相關的草案那因為這涉及到國民法官國民參審的問題我們要目前呢這個法案還在研議當中那因為涉及到國民審查會他到底要設在法院還是設在檢查體系他涉及很大的一個組織的一個變造改造的問題所以基本上這個草案我們是引進日本制度目前還在研議當中\n是基本上本席其實也支持像這樣子的一個做法就是如果說可以擴及到就不起訴處分的話那麼可以讓這個國民讓社會那麼對於檢察官的種種作為可以更更有機會去參與然後去檢視那麼可以提升司法的信任度那麼另外呢其實本席在最近我也提出了一個新的修法就是呢為了要強化司法的透明公正應該要從檢查書類\n公開的這個方面做起那麼未來不僅是要公開這個起訴書連不起訴書還有這個相關檢疫判決的處刑等等這些歧視都要公布那這部分的話我想也希望保護部能夠支持本席所提出的這樣的法案畢竟這個部分可以提升社會大眾對於司法資訊的公開透明提升信任度我覺得這是很有必要的\n關於這個不歧途處分書類是否要公開因為不歧途處分畢竟是犯罪嫌疑不足所以這部分是否要公開因為涉及到當事人的個人隱私問題還有政策不公開問題這部分我們再來研議我今天就是質詢到這邊然後也請部長這裡提供給本席相關的報告謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.476 --> 00:06.978\n好謝謝那麼有請部長還有矯正署的署長麻煩部長署長委員早是部長好因為剛剛這個中線委員也都談到了有關於這個日前發生的苗栗的這個隨機砍人案那麼這個凶刑其實在10年前也在同一個地方以同樣的方式砍傷了4人那沒想到出獄\n\n00:27.684 --> 00:46.168\n之後還差不多半年左右的時間又在隨機砍傷了三人這次有兩名國小的女童以及一名見義有為出來要制止兇手的這樣的一個男士那當然案件發生之後真的很多的民眾就在質疑說到底我們矯正機關的狀化功能是不是出了嚴重的問題\n\n00:50.669 --> 01:13.314\n尤其是這名本來他就是一個吸毒犯那麼剛剛其實中信委員其實這裡已經也都問過了所以我接下來我想要再談的一件事情就是首先就是其實本席看到矯正署在這個案件發生之後隨即就發布了新聞稿深切譴責暴力犯罪並且指出在近年\n\n01:14.214 --> 01:37.491\n積極推動的個別化處遇計畫針對不同的犯刑情節受刑人引進專業的輔導人力以及醫療資源增加個案在間所需的心理輔導與身心治療密度這樣的一段話那試圖想要化解外界的疑慮可是本席看到這個新聞稿感受到就是說怎麼矯正署就以這樣的一指\n\n01:38.231 --> 01:57.876\n聊聊術語的新聞稿就想要打消外界的疑慮我覺得這樣子是一個不負責任的一個做法那麼事實上針對就是在這個受刑人這個當時他在監獄裡面他到底接受了什麼樣子的一個教化\n\n01:59.456 --> 02:19.985\n的輔導那麼我們知道依照監獄刑刑法的規定其實凶嫌在監獄服刑的期間都必須要有一個入監調查結果以及個別的處遇計劃那麼請問到底這方面當時的矯正署你們有沒有再去把這個受刑人他當時在監獄裡面所\n\n02:23.766 --> 02:49.149\n接受了哪些訓練以及他的處遇的計畫結果拿出來看拿出來檢視中間有沒有發現有什麼地方是沒有做到的以至於他出獄之後又同樣再犯可不可以請署長來報告一下有關於這名更生人在這段時間裡面他到底受了些什麼樣的訓練\n\n02:50.486 --> 03:12.331\n好謝謝委員的關心其實這個個案的話發生之後我們就深切的檢討我們針對類似個案的話我們要求現階段我們全面的普查看還有沒有類似像他這樣犯罪的情節然後我們給他做的這些教誨處理的跟毒品的這樣的一個處理情形看有沒有到位那其實這個秋信個案的話我們跟他調查的結果的話\n\n03:12.895 --> 03:40.254\n他在監獄的輔導總共有70次教育室對他的輔導70次有70次的一個輔導不管是一般的個別的一個輔導或是說他針對他毒品的針對他暴力的這樣加起來有70次的一個輔導另外他在監獄的就診有80次都有按照規定來跟他做一個處置可是的話他有一個很特別的情形他並沒有看身心科\n\n03:40.934 --> 04:03.813\n并没有什么并没有看身心科他没有列入我们精神科的一个疾患的列管的个案因为他当初发难的时候的话当初的话也有透过在法院端有透过那个中国医药学院跟他做一个鉴定认为他的现实感还是充足的并不是因为精神病而来犯这个个案所以说从很多迹象来跟他看的话\n\n04:05.195 --> 04:20.852\n似乎他是一個非常特別他應該在人格上有某種衝動的不理性的或是他的那個壓力到一個點的話他容易的話整個人的話就整個人爆發出這樣的特別的一個行為出來所以說像這樣的我們會特別來跟他了解\n\n04:21.533 --> 04:46.081\n刚刚的这个说明当中可以知道其实在整个的这个教化过程他接受了这么多辅导的这个过程当中应该总是会有些迹象认为说这个受醒人是不是应该要去看看精神科而且你们看起来是以第一次他入狱的时候的当时的那个判断来作为他是否是需要接受相关的精神方面的治疗那么对于一个受醒人他在监狱里面\n\n04:47.741 --> 05:04.666\n做滿了這個8年多的假刑期難免我覺得他的心理上面可能也會有一些改變那這部分的話本期希望就是未來矯正署可能要再對於類似像這樣的受刑人必須要再有更多方面的\n\n05:06.067 --> 05:11.033\n檢查或檢討不能夠說是讓這樣子的一個問題之後他們出獄之後又再發生重蹈覆轍這個是會對於社會來講這是一個很危險大家都認為說像這樣一個是不定時的炸彈那麼以及之後像是\n\n05:25.430 --> 05:45.138\n对于这个假设和出狱之后的受保护管束人还有更生人的追踪机制社区安全防护精神治疗以及相关的辅导资源这部分其实我建议法务部缴证署还有联同卫福部那边应该要有一个更宏观的一个计划方案能够提出来\n\n05:45.538 --> 05:59.470\n這樣的話其實對於社會來講才會感受到是比較安全的那這部分的話可能請防務部還有矯正署署長這部分要積極的要做進行一些跨部會的會議那麼也請這個矯正署可能在兩週之內是不是可以將您剛剛所說的\n\n06:03.653 --> 06:24.343\n對於這個邱姓受刑人當時在監獄裡面所做的輔導教育相關記錄能夠提供給本席這邊一份資料好那麼接下來我請署長可以先回座我接下來要請廉政署的副署長以及調查局副署長然後也麻煩這邊的話有些問題要就叫部長部長我接下來我想請教您的就是您認為我國的廉政績效好嗎\n\n06:32.048 --> 06:52.239\n現在是一直在進步之中有在進步嗎對啊因為我們那個CPI的一個指數上是從180進步到25這個是上個年度進步三名我想我們一直在進步好了這兩年都是這個差不多是67分排名第25名這個我坦白說這個排名並不是\n\n06:52.899 --> 07:11.300\n一個很好的一個名次為什麼呢因為我們如果看到這個幾個在國家裡面就設有專責的廉政機構的這樣的一個機關他的青年印象指數排名來說的話我們在亞洲我們是\n\n07:12.421 --> 07:34.767\n排名第四位新加坡排名第三澳洲第十名香港第十七名然後台灣是第25名事實上跟這個已有廉政專責機關國家做相比台灣是敬佩莫做並不是說是很好也許在整個全世界來說看起來不算太差但是事實上因為我們是設有專責的廉政機關的\n\n07:36.807 --> 07:58.953\n所以這個青年印象指數的排名這部分其實有待加強的那當然本席這裡有發現到一個問題就是說看起來現在我們的宿攤機關似乎有跌床駕屋的問題因為我們同時又有廉政署那調查局底下呢又有一個廉政處這兩個機關這兩個單位彼此之間在權責方面似乎就有出現\n\n07:59.973 --> 08:24.039\n有競合或是衝突的一些問題那就這部分來講當然會影響到整個廉政效能如果說當發生某些事情的時候然後能互推皮球那就變成功能不彰那當然有可能就是如果兩個機關都願意積極的去處理可能也會發生一些事務上的競合所以就這部分來講吳曉得部長你怎麼去看這兩個機關的彼此之間的職權衝突的問題\n\n08:30.247 --> 08:49.992\n我想這個是調查局跟廉政組各有職長調查局的話他也不是只有數攤他有其他的一些的犯罪的一些的偵辦那另外廉政組最是以防攤為主數攤為輔那因為是一個分進合集交叉佛網的一個概念那我想這個剛剛委員有關心的是不是有進合的問題\n\n08:50.652 --> 09:01.399\n那雖然剛開始的話大家一定有一些的不習慣有磨合的地方到目前為止今天就是在開調聯的一個聯繫的會議那我想現在調查局跟廉政署這邊是合作無間那有些案件是兩個單位是由在檢察官那個偵查組體合作無間就好像一個屋頂有兩個有兩面的那個那個時候一個檢察官當一個偵查他會指揮廉政署跟指揮調查局的這些廉政官跟調查員來做一個合辦的\n\n09:20.452 --> 09:42.532\n好謝謝部長那因為時間的關係所以我想這個部分的話本席要求一個月內請調查局跟廉政署能夠提出這個廉政速攤的績效分析並且法務部應該要就廉政組織人力及修法的調整來提出相關的評估報告那麼如果說今天正好在開會的話也可以把相關的會議的記錄也提供給本席一份做參考\n\n09:43.953 --> 10:08.778\n這樣可以嗎可以最後一個問題就是有關於這次我看到你們在立法計畫裡面有一個法案本身很有興趣叫做國民參與不起訴處分審查法這個部分看起來你們是參考日本的法治正在研擬有關於國民參與不起訴處分的審查法\n\n10:09.338 --> 10:30.857\n那麼這個部分基本上就是可能未來可以讓國民直接參與整個的不起訴處分的審查就是似乎就是從現在有國民法官以後變成有國民檢察官那就這個部分來講的話不知道就是法務部這邊可不可以簡單的說明這部分我請那個次長來因為他要訪問\n\n10:37.059 --> 10:57.946\n各位報告有關於國民參審的部分事實上本部已經有研理相關的草案那因為這涉及到國民法官國民參審的問題我們要目前呢這個法案還在研議當中那因為涉及到國民審查會他到底要設在法院還是設在檢查體系他涉及很大的一個組織的一個變造改造的問題所以基本上這個草案我們是引進日本制度目前還在研議當中\n\n10:58.206 --> 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那麼接下來我請署長可以先回座我接下來要請廉政署的副署長以及調查局副署長然後也麻煩這邊的話有些問題要就叫部長部長 我接下來我想請教您的就是您認為我國的廉政績效好嗎"},{"start":392.048,"end":412.239,"text":"現在是一直在進步之中有在進步嗎對啊因為我們那個CPI的一個指數上是從180進步到25這個是上個年度進步三名我想我們一直在進步好了這兩年都是這個差不多是67分排名第25名這個我坦白說這個排名並不是"},{"start":412.899,"end":431.3,"text":"一個很好的一個名次為什麼呢因為我們如果看到這個幾個在國家裡面就設有專責的廉政機構的這樣的一個機關他的青年印象指數排名來說的話我們在亞洲我們是"},{"start":432.421,"end":454.767,"text":"排名第四位新加坡排名第三澳洲第十名香港第十七名然後台灣是第25名事實上跟這個已有廉政專責機關國家做相比台灣是敬佩莫做並不是說是很好也許在整個全世界來說看起來不算太差但是事實上因為我們是設有專責的廉政機關的"},{"start":456.807,"end":478.953,"text":"所以這個青年印象指數的排名這部分其實有待加強的那當然本席這裡有發現到一個問題就是說看起來現在我們的宿攤機關似乎有跌床駕屋的問題因為我們同時又有廉政署那調查局底下呢又有一個廉政處這兩個機關這兩個單位彼此之間在權責方面似乎就有出現"},{"start":479.973,"end":504.039,"text":"有競合或是衝突的一些問題那就這部分來講當然會影響到整個廉政效能如果說當發生某些事情的時候然後能互推皮球那就變成功能不彰那當然有可能就是如果兩個機關都願意積極的去處理可能也會發生一些事務上的競合所以就這部分來講吳曉得部長你怎麼去看這兩個機關的彼此之間的職權衝突的問題"},{"start":510.247,"end":529.992,"text":"我想這個是調查局跟廉政組各有職長調查局的話他也不是只有數攤他有其他的一些的犯罪的一些的偵辦那另外廉政組最是以防攤為主數攤為輔那因為是一個分進合集交叉佛網的一個概念那我想這個剛剛委員有關心的是不是有進合的問題"},{"start":530.652,"end":541.399,"text":"那雖然剛開始的話大家一定有一些的不習慣有磨合的地方到目前為止今天就是在開調聯的一個聯繫的會議那我想現在調查局跟廉政署這邊是合作無間那有些案件是兩個單位是由在檢察官那個偵查組體合作無間就好像一個屋頂有兩個有兩面的那個那個時候一個檢察官當一個偵查他會指揮廉政署跟指揮調查局的這些廉政官跟調查員來做一個合辦的"},{"start":560.452,"end":582.532,"text":"好 謝謝部長那因為時間的關係所以我想這個部分的話本席要求一個月內請調查局跟廉政署能夠提出這個廉政速攤的績效分析並且法務部應該要就廉政組織人力及修法的調整來提出相關的評估報告那麼如果說今天正好在開會的話也可以把相關的會議的記錄也提供給本席一份做參考"},{"start":583.953,"end":608.778,"text":"這樣可以嗎可以最後一個問題就是有關於這次我看到你們在立法計畫裡面有一個法案本身很有興趣叫做國民參與不起訴處分審查法這個部分看起來你們是參考日本的法治正在研擬有關於國民參與不起訴處分的審查法"},{"start":609.338,"end":630.857,"text":"那麼這個部分基本上就是可能未來可以讓國民直接參與整個的不起訴處分的審查就是似乎就是從現在有國民法官以後變成有國民檢察官那就這個部分來講的話不知道就是法務部這邊可不可以簡單的說明這部分我請那個次長來 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