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00:00:40,867\n只是丹尼斯颱風台南的受災的部分停電的時間比較久而馬太安的這個事件當中部落當中其實我們可以看得出來他當天下午一流之後停電了四千戶可是晚上十點就已經復電三千六百戶高達九成\n\n3\n00:00:41,747 --> 00:00:45,688\n那不管怎麼樣都受到了影響所以我是想跟部長討論的是電網任性的問題因為我們今天在討論這個任性條例當中其實是說因應國際情勢可是天災事實上也大幅的影響了我們整個民生的狀況\n\n4\n00:00:59,432 --> 00:01:22,131\n所以第一個電網韌性的部分的話部長我個人認為啦其實可以分成兩個部分第一個是事前的韌性事前的不韌性就應該是防災預防就像是這個平和公路現在電纜地下化就等於完全把這個問題給解決掉了所以電纜地下化現在被大家所極力的爭取這是事前預防\n\n5\n00:01:23,012 --> 00:01:44,661\n第二个任性的部分就是事后救灾的速度就是刚刚提到的马太安的像这个事件能够在几个小时之内就复建完成事前事后都是属于任性的一部分不晓得部长你同不同意是报告委员就是说因为台南的部分因为整个2000多只的电线杆都倒了所以说它是复原是比较\n\n6\n00:01:45,681 --> 00:02:08,619\n我們台電同仁也日夜強修馬太安的這個部分水退了以後如果沒有淤積的部分就可以很快的恢復起來所以我們當初在這一次的特別預算裡面有編列希望200億可以加強我們電網的韌性但是非常遺憾的是被刪掉了\n\n7\n00:02:08,939 --> 00:02:30,378\n没错所以现在就是丹纳斯台风的特别预算的部分有编了一百零而已不过那个是比较是复原性质的针对台南跟嘉义地区的复原性质那是属于刚刚说的事后的部分对对对那我们本来是希望提升这一个包括电网的一些韧性那但是就没有被通过了\n\n8\n00:02:30,438 --> 00:02:43,094\n好謝謝部長提到這個部分這也就是我今天想跟你討論的啦其實我是覺得這個部分喔在我們本來提韌性條例的時候其實分兩次嘛第一次您提到了一千億其實是改善台電的財務結構的部分第二個部分的話其實就是增強這個電網韌性的部分\n\n9\n00:02:47,780 --> 00:03:06,795\n其實兩次的提出都非常的需要都是台灣現在電網任性要能夠這個達到一個標準是都很需要的很可惜的是真的是沒有過可是因為看了兩次災害之後呢我認為啦就算這次的這個目前預算沒有過在特別條例沒有通過可是\n\n10\n00:03:08,275 --> 00:03:17,218\n從災區回來我認為還是有幾件事情應該要做的這個我跟部長分享一下第一個是我是認為正是因為去到災區看過了以後我覺得關鍵場域的電網韌性應該要優先施作也就是公共場域像是學校教會的這個部分它的周邊的電網如何能夠確保這個是我覺得特別需要的部分\n\n11\n00:03:31,042 --> 00:03:45,528\n這是第一個第二個甚至是在這一些關鍵的場域公共的區域剛剛說的學校教會這是舉例而言而已那其實是不是能夠發展到儲能的部分我也覺得這個應該要討論了\n\n12\n00:03:47,549 --> 00:04:10,009\n第二個是我們現在既然使用了大量的光電系統老實說光電系統其實應該是有光就有電啊可是因為它的特性我們設置了孤島的效應嘛避免到時候因為有災害的發生讓我們去修復光電的人員受損所以我們做了一個孤島效應可是在災害發生的時候它卻反而形成了孤島保護我想這個專有名詞我應該不用跟部長討論嘛\n\n13\n00:04:12,731 --> 00:04:38,432\n所以孤島保護反而讓我們的這個地區本來可以利用光電的特性有發電卻沒有發電那這個應該要怎麼被解決所以從這三項關鍵地區的韌性關鍵地區的儲能以及孤島保護怎麼改善這是三項我認為在韌性當中應該馬上可以提升的\n\n14\n00:04:39,173 --> 00:04:57,501\n在衍生回來其實台灣特殊的狀況下有很多的原住民部落就是直接符合這三項的要求所以當時就說經濟部是不是應該跟內政部人民會共同討論把原住民部落整個提升成為部落都應該要考量這個部分我想兩個層次三個問題四個問題應該都是請部長部長我舉例列舉這四個你同意嗎\n\n15\n00:05:04,324 --> 00:05:23,143\n我同意事實上我們大的方向也是往這個方向在做是剛剛提到學校本身就是很多的是災後的收容場所那個本來我們就是會加強那剛剛提到的有一些孤島的我們加強這個太陽能板跟它的智慧儲能我們現在也有一筆經費正在施做這個部分對\n\n16\n00:05:23,803 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謝謝部長提到這個部分這也就是我今天想跟你討論的啦其實我是覺得這個部分喔在我們本來提韌性條例的時候其實分兩次嘛第一次您提到了一千億其實是改善台電的財務結構的部分第二個部分的話其實就是增強這個電網韌性的部分\n其實兩次的提出都非常的需要都是台灣現在電網任性要能夠這個達到一個標準是都很需要的很可惜的是真的是沒有過可是因為看了兩次災害之後呢我認為啦就算這次的這個目前預算沒有過在特別條例沒有通過可是\n從災區回來我認為還是有幾件事情應該要做的這個我跟部長分享一下第一個是我是認為正是因為去到災區看過了以後我覺得關鍵場域的電網韌性應該要優先施作也就是公共場域像是學校教會的這個部分它的周邊的電網如何能夠確保這個是我覺得特別需要的部分\n這是第一個第二個甚至是在這一些關鍵的場域公共的區域剛剛說的學校教會這是舉例而言而已那其實是不是能夠發展到儲能的部分我也覺得這個應該要討論了\n第二個是我們現在既然使用了大量的光電系統老實說光電系統其實應該是有光就有電啊可是因為它的特性我們設置了孤島的效應嘛避免到時候因為有災害的發生讓我們去修復光電的人員受損所以我們做了一個孤島效應可是在災害發生的時候它卻反而形成了孤島保護我想這個專有名詞我應該不用跟部長討論嘛\n所以孤島保護反而讓我們的這個地區本來可以利用光電的特性有發電卻沒有發電那這個應該要怎麼被解決所以從這三項關鍵地區的韌性關鍵地區的儲能以及孤島保護怎麼改善這是三項我認為在韌性當中應該馬上可以提升的\n在衍生回來其實台灣特殊的狀況下有很多的原住民部落就是直接符合這三項的要求所以當時就說經濟部是不是應該跟內政部 人民會共同討論把原住民部落整個提升成為部落都應該要考量這個部分我想兩個層次三個問題四個問題應該都是請部長部長我舉例列舉這四個你同意嗎\n我同意 事實上我們大的方向也是往這個方向在做是剛剛提到學校本身就是很多的是災後的收容場所那個本來我們就是會加強那剛剛提到的有一些孤島的我們加強這個太陽能板跟它的智慧儲能我們現在也有一筆經費正在施做這個部分對\n所以我們特別因為從災區回來看到了這個狀況所以認為這四項其實是特別應該做的那不只是應該要有預算的支持其實法規面向的鬆綁可能也是需要要考量的比如說電業法當中的特定電力供應業的這個部分要怎麼去處置因為主席已經站起來了所以我知道我時間到了但我是希望經濟部的這個部分部長您是不是可以請經濟部看是哪一個單位特別來跟我們辦公室這邊就電網任性的部分我們再做進一步的討論\n謝謝主席有請經濟部長農業部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.309 --> 00:22.638\n市委好部長好部長我想今年七月以來台灣被兩個天災這個衝擊影響非常的大一個就是七月的丹尼斯颱風一個是剛剛發生的花蓮的馬太安艷澀湖的溢流事件那我想這兩個災害其實都遇到了停電這樣的問題\n\n00:24.179 --> 00:40.867\n只是丹尼斯颱風台南的受災的部分停電的時間比較久而馬太安的這個事件當中部落當中其實我們可以看得出來他當天下午一流之後停電了四千戶可是晚上十點就已經復電三千六百戶高達九成\n\n00:41.747 --> 00:45.688\n那不管怎麼樣都受到了影響所以我是想跟部長討論的是電網任性的問題因為我們今天在討論這個任性條例當中其實是說因應國際情勢可是天災事實上也大幅的影響了我們整個民生的狀況\n\n00:59.432 --> 01:22.131\n所以第一個電網韌性的部分的話部長我個人認為啦其實可以分成兩個部分第一個是事前的韌性事前的不韌性就應該是防災預防就像是這個平和公路現在電纜地下化就等於完全把這個問題給解決掉了所以電纜地下化現在被大家所極力的爭取這是事前預防\n\n01:23.012 --> 01:44.661\n第二个任性的部分就是事后救灾的速度就是刚刚提到的马太安的像这个事件能够在几个小时之内就复建完成事前事后都是属于任性的一部分不晓得部长你同不同意是报告委员就是说因为台南的部分因为整个2000多只的电线杆都倒了所以说它是复原是比较\n\n01:45.681 --> 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