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00:02:08,114\n其實聽取的意見廠商回饋的意見大部分都是認為那個地方地處太偏遠了交通不便利另外缺乏旅遊帶所以說可能遊客不會開車開這麼久開兩個小時車子到那個地方去玩一個地方他就回來了\n\n8\n00:02:09,035 --> 00:02:28,391\n所以說我們現在在規劃剛剛主委報告如果我們招商實在不順利所以我們會先朝著有機的方式來保護水源那我們仿商的結果我們也調整我們招商的一個公告包含我們把\n\n9\n00:02:29,772 --> 00:02:48,278\n民間參與的方式給他做調整原本我們是要求BOT加ROT的就是你要興建但是現在我們把它改成就是只要ROT就可以了你修建用原有的建築修建這樣可以減少廠商他的投資金額\n\n10\n00:02:49,198 --> 00:03:10,636\n那另外一個我們在權利金的方面我們從原本的降到1500萬權利金降成1000萬而且你只要開始營運以後我們就把權利金退還只保留500萬在這邊所以這種方式就是增加廠商的彈性我們希望說這次可以順利飆出去\n\n11\n00:03:11,209 --> 00:03:26,574\n那我快速的來回應一下主委我跟你提醒一下就是說我們嘉義縣政府他在積極推動大埔南社公路它是一個油氣的狼帶的計畫所以這是有一個觀光的計畫在裡面的那我還是建議副大會要堅持是以觀光為主\n\n12\n00:03:28,454 --> 00:03:49,623\n農業為輔因為特別是整個水庫區的這些居民們那已經結合了這個藍色公路那還有這一個大埔鄉的各種觀光的計畫所以我是希望它可以融合在一起那不要把它分開來不然的話會非常可惜這是第一點那不管怎麼樣我還是希望說11月14號修建截止之後那相關的完整的檢討報告還是要給我\n\n13\n00:03:51,304 --> 00:04:16,699\n接下來主委我要來請教一下關於農醫的戰略物資儲備的機制請相關的同仁也一起上來去年的5月我想大家應該還記得我們有輸液的全國性的短缺各級農業有沒有受到影響當初的最低庫存量是可以維持大概幾天這方面是不是可以請院長或者是\n\n14\n00:04:18,621 --> 00:04:47,825\n至少是就你們拜訪二位我是台北榮民總務院李偉強副院長那對於萬一發生什麼事情是我們現在有一個韌性醫療的計畫意思說在一個特別的一個情況下面的時候我們醫院現在準備一萬兩千五百人份的戰略物資包括十七項關鍵的藥品跟十三項重要的這個醫材那我想這東西一萬兩千五百人是要看使用的時間看那個量我相信至少支持一段時間是沒有問題的以上一萬兩千五百\n\n15\n00:04:48,425 --> 00:05:12,180\n人次的這個量那是從什麼時候可以開始準備好還是現在已經有我們已經準備兩年輔導會特別有個大的計畫包括三個榮總都會有分配不同的量其中台北榮總分配的量最多是一萬兩千五百人份所以您剛才提到的十七項的這個十七項跟十三項的各種物資那在去年的時候書藝有沒有包含在裡面書藝是很重要的一部分\n\n16\n00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:28,287\n那當初的全國性短缺總總沒有經歷過那個當初的短缺它是對於某些量的比方是1000CC或2000CC這種大他們需要的是小包裝所以那時候曾經有段時間缺乏的是量的不同其實就其他的來說我們其實是無餘的\n\n17\n00:05:28,647 --> 00:05:55,495\n所以當初如果用沒有那個小包裝其實就用大包裝即可所以那個時候曾經暫時的是把大包裝分成禮拜來處理其實曾經有暫時這樣過不過因為我們都有一個穩定的公園的物資所以那個時候我們也都慢慢也都熬過了一段時間現在都一切都很正常應該說我這麼問好了那包裝的分直接把它當初如果有大包裝的話直接把它分割成小包裝即可所以當初其實也沒有短缺的問題嗎\n\n18\n00:05:56,700 --> 00:06:25,898\n应该是说我们全国的分配的方法他希望说他给你不同size的这样子的一个这个输液那我们就使用的时候要特别注意一下有的时候有些包装有些有些用的normalsetting或什么他只要小的flush10cc就好了20cc这部分的时候我们就从大份去分就好了那有时候输的话他可能就以大袋的为主那就是看病人的需要量我们来调整所以这段时间确实比较紧不过我们也都有个很好的院内的一个分配计划\n\n19\n00:06:26,178 --> 00:06:50,430\n那當初除了我們剛才提到的這幾項重要的這一些關鍵的部材之外那是不是有沒有討論到說因為除了我們要準備量之外那還有這個Supplier就是供應商當初蘇易的原因就是因為依賴於單一的這個供應商請問在你們這一萬兩千不管是多少人次那在背後的供應商是不是有多倍元\n\n20\n00:06:51,911 --> 00:07:08,280\n跟委員報告,像我們醫院這麼大的量,一年加進住院人次有13萬人次,跟門診有250萬人次,所以我們供應商大部分都是多重供應商的,不會某個藥製造某一個供應商,不會這樣子,特別是一些關鍵的東西,所謂關鍵的東西比較像輸液。\n\n21\n00:07:09,941 --> 00:07:35,558\n像是一些常用的藥品或者是一些像一些外商用的一些紗布等等這些東西就屬於關鍵的資源的時候特別是在災難的時候會用到的部分我們都會多重供應商那平常會跟這些廠商維持一定的一個聯繫因為去年的五月它好像是連續數個月它是因為它只依賴單一的供應商或者是只有依賴為數不多的供應商所以才有這樣子的問題那我們是希望說除了\n\n22\n00:07:36,939 --> 00:07:52,091\n我們除了安全的儲備你說儲備你說一萬兩千五百人次的量以外那還有你還是要更新這個儲備嗎你更新儲備還有注意他的這個有效期限之外他的這個supplier的部分可能也要多重公園\n\n23\n00:07:53,012 --> 00:08:17,568\n那不然的話就會有去年的事情會再次發生那再來就是院際協調那我們當然知道農醫是有農總自己的體系那你們其實是全國最重要的這個研究型的大型的這個機構那也變成說有些量能不足的醫院它可能不是農總體系它可能也甚至不是精育院它可能甚至不是區域的大中型醫院那可能在緊急應變的時候\n\n24\n00:08:19,409 --> 00:08:38,527\n可以來思考一下相關的演練那我知道之前有包含高雄龍總都有相關的就是怨氣協調的這種類似像我們群演的概念我還是鼓勵也希望說龍總能夠扮演起這一個領頭羊多用這樣子的演練因為一直講任性如果沒有演練的話就沒有任性謝謝韋爺\n\n25\n00:08:48,748 --> 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setting或什么他只要小的flush10cc就好了20cc这部分的时候我们就从大份去分就好了那有时候输的话他可能就以大袋的为主那就是看病人的需要量我们来调整所以这段时间确实比较紧不过我们也都有个很好的院内的一个分配计划\n386178\t410430\t那當初除了我們剛才提到的這幾項重要的這一些關鍵的部材之外那是不是有沒有討論到說因為除了我們要準備量之外那還有這個Supplier就是供應商當初蘇易的原因就是因為依賴於單一的這個供應商請問在你們這一萬兩千不管是多少人次那在背後的供應商是不是有多倍元\n411911\t428280\t跟委員報告,像我們醫院這麼大的量,一年加進住院人次有13萬人次,跟門診有250萬人次,所以我們供應商大部分都是多重供應商的,不會某個藥製造某一個供應商,不會這樣子,特別是一些關鍵的東西,所謂關鍵的東西比較像輸液。\n429941\t455558\t像是一些常用的藥品或者是一些像一些外商用的一些紗布等等這些東西就屬於關鍵的資源的時候特別是在災難的時候會用到的部分我們都會多重供應商那平常會跟這些廠商維持一定的一個聯繫因為去年的五月它好像是連續數個月它是因為它只依賴單一的供應商或者是只有依賴為數不多的供應商所以才有這樣子的問題那我們是希望說除了\n456939\t472091\t我們除了安全的儲備你說儲備你說一萬兩千五百人次的量以外那還有你還是要更新這個儲備嗎你更新儲備還有注意他的這個有效期限之外他的這個supplier的部分可能也要多重公園\n473012\t497568\t那不然的話就會有去年的事情會再次發生那再來就是院際協調那我們當然知道農醫是有農總自己的體系那你們其實是全國最重要的這個研究型的大型的這個機構那也變成說有些量能不足的醫院它可能不是農總體系它可能也甚至不是精育院它可能甚至不是區域的大中型醫院那可能在緊急應變的時候\n499409\t518527\t可以來思考一下相關的演練那我知道之前有包含高雄龍總都有相關的就是怨氣協調的這種類似像我們群演的概念我還是鼓勵也希望說龍總能夠扮演起這一個領頭羊多用這樣子的演練因為一直講任性如果沒有演練的話就沒有任性謝謝韋爺\n528748\t530459\t謝謝現在請王帝宇召委上台質詢\n","txt":"我們請主委\n陳委員好主委好 之前我們有提到位於嘉義大埔鄉我們的嘉義分廠從去年6月到今年已經辦理三次招商了三次都沒有廠商來投標我也之前有要求說主委跟輔導會來去檢討一下最主要的原因是什麼 有沒有一個檢討的方案出來\n報告委員經過三次的招商沒有完成我們事業處很積極也就拜會了經濟部的水利署交通部的觀光署還有五家的這些廠商來聽取大家的意見\n評估後面到底來怎麼來推動怎麼來推動而且目前在9月16號已經辦理了第4次的一個招商公告在11月14號會截止收件那目前招商狀況最後答案怎麼樣是不知道但是\n我們會做評估如果以觀光為主的招商是不如預期的話可能會檢討委外經營的方向就是以有機的栽植來維護水庫的環境主委想請教一下你說11月14號是截止那目前為止有沒有廠商表示意願\n事業處處長跟您報告委員好我是事業管理處處長楊長正事實上我們剛剛主委跟您報告的除了我們拜訪我們經濟部跟經濟部跟交通部這些單位以外其實我們也找了我親自去拜訪的大概有三家的潛在廠商然後彰化農場也去拜訪總共五家的廠商\n其實聽取的意見 廠商回饋的意見大部分都是認為那個地方地處太偏遠了 交通不便利另外缺乏旅遊帶所以說可能遊客不會開車開這麼久開兩個小時車子到那個地方去玩一個地方他就回來了\n所以說我們現在在規劃 剛剛主委報告如果我們招商實在不順利所以我們會先朝著有機的方式來保護水源那我們仿商的結果我們也調整我們招商的一個公告包含我們把\n民間參與的方式給他做調整原本我們是要求BOT加ROT的就是你要興建但是現在我們把它改成就是只要ROT就可以了你修建用原有的建築修建這樣可以減少廠商他的投資金額\n那另外一個我們在權利金的方面我們從原本的降到1500萬權利金降成1000萬而且你只要開始營運以後我們就把權利金退還只保留500萬在這邊所以這種方式就是增加廠商的彈性我們希望說這次可以順利飆出去\n那我快速的來回應一下主委我跟你提醒一下就是說我們嘉義縣政府他在積極推動大埔南社公路它是一個油氣的狼帶的計畫所以這是有一個觀光的計畫在裡面的那我還是建議副大會要堅持是以觀光為主\n農業為輔因為特別是整個水庫區的這些居民們那已經結合了這個藍色公路那還有這一個大埔鄉的各種觀光的計畫所以我是希望它可以融合在一起那不要把它分開來不然的話會非常可惜這是第一點那不管怎麼樣我還是希望說11月14號修建截止之後那相關的完整的檢討報告還是要給我\n接下來主委我要來請教一下關於農醫的戰略物資儲備的機制請相關的同仁也一起上來去年的5月我想大家應該還記得我們有輸液的全國性的短缺各級農業有沒有受到影響當初的最低庫存量是可以維持大概幾天這方面是不是可以請院長或者是\n至少是就你們拜訪二位我是台北榮民總務院李偉強副院長那對於萬一發生什麼事情是我們現在有一個韌性醫療的計畫意思說在一個特別的一個情況下面的時候我們醫院現在準備一萬兩千五百人份的戰略物資包括十七項關鍵的藥品跟十三項重要的這個醫材那我想這東西一萬兩千五百人是要看使用的時間看那個量我相信至少支持一段時間是沒有問題的以上一萬兩千五百\n人次的這個量那是從什麼時候可以開始準備好還是現在已經有我們已經準備兩年輔導會特別有個大的計畫包括三個榮總都會有分配不同的量其中台北榮總分配的量最多是一萬兩千五百人份所以您剛才提到的十七項的這個十七項跟十三項的各種物資那在去年的時候書藝有沒有包含在裡面書藝是很重要的一部分\n那當初的全國性短缺總總沒有經歷過那個當初的短缺它是對於某些量的比方是1000CC或2000CC這種大他們需要的是小包裝所以那時候曾經有段時間缺乏的是量的不同其實就其他的來說我們其實是無餘的\n所以當初如果用沒有那個小包裝其實就用大包裝即可所以那個時候曾經暫時的是把大包裝分成禮拜來處理其實曾經有暫時這樣過不過因為我們都有一個穩定的公園的物資所以那個時候我們也都慢慢也都熬過了一段時間現在都一切都很正常應該說我這麼問好了那包裝的分直接把它當初如果有大包裝的話直接把它分割成小包裝即可所以當初其實也沒有短缺的問題嗎\n应该是说我们全国的分配的方法他希望说他给你不同size的这样子的一个这个输液那我们就使用的时候要特别注意一下有的时候有些包装有些有些用的normal setting或什么他只要小的flush10cc就好了20cc这部分的时候我们就从大份去分就好了那有时候输的话他可能就以大袋的为主那就是看病人的需要量我们来调整所以这段时间确实比较紧不过我们也都有个很好的院内的一个分配计划\n那當初除了我們剛才提到的這幾項重要的這一些關鍵的部材之外那是不是有沒有討論到說因為除了我們要準備量之外那還有這個Supplier就是供應商當初蘇易的原因就是因為依賴於單一的這個供應商請問在你們這一萬兩千不管是多少人次那在背後的供應商是不是有多倍元\n跟委員報告,像我們醫院這麼大的量,一年加進住院人次有13萬人次,跟門診有250萬人次,所以我們供應商大部分都是多重供應商的,不會某個藥製造某一個供應商,不會這樣子,特別是一些關鍵的東西,所謂關鍵的東西比較像輸液。\n像是一些常用的藥品或者是一些像一些外商用的一些紗布等等這些東西就屬於關鍵的資源的時候特別是在災難的時候會用到的部分我們都會多重供應商那平常會跟這些廠商維持一定的一個聯繫因為去年的五月它好像是連續數個月它是因為它只依賴單一的供應商或者是只有依賴為數不多的供應商所以才有這樣子的問題那我們是希望說除了\n我們除了安全的儲備你說儲備你說一萬兩千五百人次的量以外那還有你還是要更新這個儲備嗎你更新儲備還有注意他的這個有效期限之外他的這個supplier的部分可能也要多重公園\n那不然的話就會有去年的事情會再次發生那再來就是院際協調那我們當然知道農醫是有農總自己的體系那你們其實是全國最重要的這個研究型的大型的這個機構那也變成說有些量能不足的醫院它可能不是農總體系它可能也甚至不是精育院它可能甚至不是區域的大中型醫院那可能在緊急應變的時候\n可以來思考一下相關的演練那我知道之前有包含高雄龍總都有相關的就是怨氣協調的這種類似像我們群演的概念我還是鼓勵也希望說龍總能夠扮演起這一個領頭羊多用這樣子的演練因為一直講任性如果沒有演練的話就沒有任性謝謝韋爺\n謝謝現在請王帝宇召委上台質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.256 --> 00:00.687\n我們請主委\n\n00:08.778 --> 00:31.589\n陳委員好主委好之前我們有提到位於嘉義大埔鄉我們的嘉義分廠從去年6月到今年已經辦理三次招商了三次都沒有廠商來投標我也之前有要求說主委跟輔導會來去檢討一下最主要的原因是什麼有沒有一個檢討的方案出來\n\n00:33.823 --> 00:49.350\n報告委員經過三次的招商沒有完成我們事業處很積極也就拜會了經濟部的水利署交通部的觀光署還有五家的這些廠商來聽取大家的意見\n\n00:50.650 --> 01:07.077\n評估後面到底來怎麼來推動怎麼來推動而且目前在9月16號已經辦理了第4次的一個招商公告在11月14號會截止收件那目前招商狀況最後答案怎麼樣是不知道但是\n\n01:07.897 --> 01:26.900\n我們會做評估如果以觀光為主的招商是不如預期的話可能會檢討委外經營的方向就是以有機的栽植來維護水庫的環境主委想請教一下你說11月14號是截止那目前為止有沒有廠商表示意願\n\n01:27.828 --> 01:49.138\n事業處處長跟您報告委員好我是事業管理處處長楊長正事實上我們剛剛主委跟您報告的除了我們拜訪我們經濟部跟經濟部跟交通部這些單位以外其實我們也找了我親自去拜訪的大概有三家的潛在廠商然後彰化農場也去拜訪總共五家的廠商\n\n01:49.798 --> 02:08.114\n其實聽取的意見廠商回饋的意見大部分都是認為那個地方地處太偏遠了交通不便利另外缺乏旅遊帶所以說可能遊客不會開車開這麼久開兩個小時車子到那個地方去玩一個地方他就回來了\n\n02:09.035 --> 02:28.391\n所以說我們現在在規劃剛剛主委報告如果我們招商實在不順利所以我們會先朝著有機的方式來保護水源那我們仿商的結果我們也調整我們招商的一個公告包含我們把\n\n02:29.772 --> 02:48.278\n民間參與的方式給他做調整原本我們是要求BOT加ROT的就是你要興建但是現在我們把它改成就是只要ROT就可以了你修建用原有的建築修建這樣可以減少廠商他的投資金額\n\n02:49.198 --> 03:10.636\n那另外一個我們在權利金的方面我們從原本的降到1500萬權利金降成1000萬而且你只要開始營運以後我們就把權利金退還只保留500萬在這邊所以這種方式就是增加廠商的彈性我們希望說這次可以順利飆出去\n\n03:11.209 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