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00:00:35,468\n部长好在我们进入预算之前我想我有个问题想先请教部长那我想花莲光复乡的这个救灾我们投入了三千个国军的兵力是说说到大家非常的认同但是我想请问一下对于投入的救灾的这些兵力有没有什么奖励的一个措施因为我们这个救灾的公务员都可以补休跟请领加班费我们的国军会有吗\n\n3\n00:00:36,983 --> 00:00:56,471\n我們國軍在這一次的我們在調動的時候就特別注意到他們長期如果長期投入會產生一種倦怠感所以我們七天做一次輪動也就是說七天完之後就整個另外跨駐安區所以還是會有這樣子的一個層面就對了然後回去的時候我們會給他一個非常具有榮譽的一個\n\n4\n00:01:00,413 --> 00:01:20,090\n那这就其实大概很现实的问题嘛因为我们在十月十号开始我们公教人员都会有所谓的身心调试假但是这身心调试假当中我想国防部在七八月的时候也公布了这个放假的一个标准那里面就是会有一个全责主管不得拒绝这样的一个规定那我们也知道军中的文化其实跟其他是不太一样的\n\n5\n00:01:20,470 --> 00:01:39,091\n他其实还是有他基本的一个任务跟基本的一个义务所以其实就会在放假的这个过程当中很怕如果规定不明确的话会造成长官上面的一个困惑所以说我想请问部长如果像是汉官演习的话那如果我们的士兵要请这个申请调试假会准假吗可以连请三天吗\n\n6\n00:01:40,409 --> 00:01:57,956\n我想在這個演習期間因為視同作戰我想我們在國軍軍事觀請假規則裡面是有增電的這個增音調制下每年要準給三日會跟會在10月10號我只問一下嘛在以漢光演習為例的話可不可以準價\n\n7\n00:02:00,543 --> 00:02:30,143\n在这个作战的这个势同作战的这个期间到底能不能这个准于这个身心调治下这个部分我想如果部长你必须要很明确的好我听你的口气好像是还需要再来做一个演绎我还是强调一句话要有指示要非常的明确否则会造成很多人在往上级城堡的时候会造成一些的条规暧昧不明的时候会造成很多的困扰这是我今天提出来很主要的原因\n\n8\n00:02:30,503 --> 00:02:45,312\n我的看法是應該是在演習之餘演習之餘所以在這個視同作戰狀況之下是不准降這是部長目前的一個層面我們回去再研議一下我的看法\n\n9\n00:02:45,672 --> 00:03:11,602\n确最重要好不好然后部长接下来我们问到预算的部分当很多人问到说你这一次来的很多的特别预算同样在年度预算都有那为什么不编在年度预算当中我记得你的回应说是要提升战力希望能够快速完成没有错吧这是你曾经的一个回应但是我要指出来武器建军跟军事设施的整合是否有办法快速完成这是我要画上一个问号请先看一下\n\n10\n00:03:12,102 --> 00:03:41,882\n像我们预算中心又曾经指出陆海空军在114年时候我们办理25个案的这个军事工程计划当中其实很多因为因素的缘故你这个整个变更整部分达到六成而且还有很多延期的我特别指出我们左营前面那一张投影片我们的左营左营二港口的扩建工程部长95年就已经开始建案而且编列预算了但是呢因为居民抗争还有加上原物料等等的因素\n\n11\n00:03:42,362 --> 00:03:45,426\n你看总经费从290亿变成590亿而且你的施工的期限是从106变成121整整晚的15年的时间然后你再看看你这次的特别预算当中你所编列的下面一页\n\n12\n00:03:59,785 --> 00:04:25,001\n你所编列的部分当中呢包括你这些条项当中你合计你要求他们每一年几乎都要花上上百亿但是呢你刚我刚所提的问题啊包括很多的财务料包括的延期包括的这个整个计划还要再修整整整当中怎么可能会是因为编的特别预算整个的时期就会比较有迅速而且可以保证如实的来完工\n\n13\n00:04:25,481 --> 00:04:52,017\n部長你可以promise你剛所編的這些密集的發包有辦法在兩年之內完成嗎我們現在規劃是如此因為我們現在的相關的案子跟剛剛委員所提到的這個左營軍港的這個整個大型的興建案是不同的我們大概大部分都是整件的我知道是不同但是我只是提醒過去國防部就有這些的案子不管是修正延期還有包括原物料上漲\n\n14\n00:04:52,737 --> 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各位\n部长好在我们进入预算之前我想我有个问题想先请教部长那我想花莲光复乡的这个救灾我们投入了三千个国军的兵力是说说到大家非常的认同但是我想请问一下对于投入的救灾的这些兵力有没有什么奖励的一个措施因为我们这个救灾的公务员都可以补休跟请领加班费我们的国军会有吗\n我們國軍在這一次的我們在調動的時候就特別注意到他們長期如果長期投入會產生一種倦怠感所以我們七天做一次輪動也就是說七天完之後就整個另外跨駐安區所以還是會有這樣子的一個層面就對了然後回去的時候我們會給他一個非常具有榮譽的一個\n那这就其实大概很现实的问题嘛因为我们在十月十号开始我们公教人员都会有所谓的身心调试假但是这身心调试假当中我想国防部在七八月的时候也公布了这个放假的一个标准那里面就是会有一个全责主管不得拒绝这样的一个规定那我们也知道军中的文化其实跟其他是不太一样的\n他其实还是有他基本的一个任务跟基本的一个义务所以其实就会在放假的这个过程当中很怕如果规定不明确的话会造成长官上面的一个困惑所以说我想请问部长如果像是汉官演习的话那如果我们的士兵要请这个申请调试假会准假吗可以连请三天吗\n我想在這個演習期間因為視同作戰我想我們在國軍軍事觀請假規則裡面是有增電的這個增音調制下每年要準給三日會跟會在10月10號我只問一下嘛在以漢光演習為例的話可不可以準價\n在这个作战的这个势同作战的这个期间到底能不能这个准于这个身心调治下这个部分我想如果部长你必须要很明确的好我听你的口气好像是还需要再来做一个演绎我还是强调一句话要有指示要非常的明确否则会造成很多人在往上级城堡的时候会造成一些的条规暧昧不明的时候会造成很多的困扰这是我今天提出来很主要的原因\n我的看法是應該是在演習之餘演習之餘所以在這個視同作戰狀況之下是不准降這是部長目前的一個層面我們回去再研議一下我的看法\n确最重要好不好然后部长接下来我们问到预算的部分当很多人问到说你这一次来的很多的特别预算同样在年度预算都有那为什么不编在年度预算当中我记得你的回应说是要提升战力希望能够快速完成没有错吧这是你曾经的一个回应但是我要指出来武器建军跟军事设施的整合是否有办法快速完成这是我要画上一个问号请先看一下\n像我们预算中心又曾经指出陆海空军在114年时候我们办理25个案的这个军事工程计划当中其实很多因为因素的缘故你这个整个变更整部分达到六成而且还有很多延期的我特别指出我们左营前面那一张投影片我们的左营左营二港口的扩建工程部长95年就已经开始建案而且编列预算了但是呢因为居民抗争还有加上原物料等等的因素\n你看总经费从290亿变成590亿而且你的施工的期限是从106变成121整整晚的15年的时间然后你再看看你这次的特别预算当中你所编列的下面一页\n你所编列的部分当中呢包括你这些条项当中你合计你要求他们每一年几乎都要花上上百亿但是呢你刚我刚所提的问题啊包括很多的财务料包括的延期包括的这个整个计划还要再修整整整当中怎么可能会是因为编的特别预算整个的时期就会比较有迅速而且可以保证如实的来完工\n部長你可以promise你剛所編的這些密集的發包有辦法在兩年之內完成嗎我們現在規劃是如此因為我們現在的相關的案子跟剛剛委員所提到的這個左營軍港的這個整個大型的興建案是不同的我們大概大部分都是整件的我知道是不同但是我只是提醒過去國防部就有這些的案子不管是修正延期還有包括原物料上漲\n所以说你告诉我你的理由编了这些东西之后还是一句话你有办法保证两年之内在密集发包当中都可以如期完工这才是我们真的是身为在野党角色里面应该是监督的有办法吗你所调的这些这些钱不少有办法放在这里面就办如期两年之内\n我们规划是属于相关的这些整建的措施因为不需要像新建案这样子的一个所以两年之内有办法完成我们现在规划就是两年之内把它完成所以你现在规划万一如果没有办法完成呢是不是我们在审下一次的所谓特别预算的时候会把这样的一个政绩再拿出来然后要求因为你曾经说你们规划然后没有完成所以是否我们在下一次特别预算的时候还会有不同的一个考量呢这才是最重要的嘛\n我们会努力的来确保我们短期这样子的一个时间里面集中这个资源快速来筹建的那我们就在以这次部长所说的两年来看看有没有办法在给予这些预算之后可以如期因为这些都是牵扯你们未来我们国防预算里面要如何审绩效是一个我们考量的最大的一个指标我们一定会努力好我们谢谢柯志恩委员的咨询谢谢接下来我们请万美林委员\n謝謝主席 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