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{\"word\": \"謝\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:02,657 --> 00:00:30,772\n主席謝謝麻煩請陳士凱部長請部長好部長好交通問題方方面面但是我們都說交通沒有最好只有更好所以我們要一起努力我先請教在這個連假期間也看到了台鐵五泉站的這個站務員是因為要勸導一個遊民然後到時候被遊民推下這個軌道\n\n2\n00:00:32,313 --> 00:00:58,182\n真的是觸目驚心如果說不是這個戰務員他也是伸手矯健那還有就是那列車不是同一個水稿上他可能今天又是一個漢市我也看到了現在檢方是以殺人重罪這是逃亡之虞所以說已經申請羈押獲准但更重要的是我們來探討一下在第一個部分去年2024年8月其實也發生大林戰\n\n3\n00:00:58,982 --> 00:01:28,036\n的一個攻擊事件張委員被攻擊事件那當初我們就希望是說要拒絕職場暴力所以說希望員工能夠有配發公發的密錄器以及增加見景率等等的部分到現在進度怎麼樣報告委員台鐵公司一方面會協助保護員工因為到目前為止其實像這一件事件沒有密錄器所以我們也沒有辦法還原說到底當下的一個溝通的狀況是不是是\n\n4\n00:01:29,524 --> 00:01:51,925\n報告委員目前是這樣子員工的部分有分兩個部分工會有產業工會跟一般的企業工會目前產業工會是有訴求說希望能夠裝密錄器不過工會是比較反對裝密錄器公司其實也有做這方面的研議我覺得如果是該花錢能夠保護員工當然我們就要去做這個是保障同仁的執勤安全\n\n5\n00:01:52,526 --> 00:02:15,674\n但是就像警察消防等相關的弟兄現在公發的密錄器也都可以在第一時間來打開密錄器了解說現場的狀況釐清事實真相並且變成是台鐵公司能夠當成是一個巴庫能夠保障所有賬務員的安全沒錯委員這個建議非常的好去年8月大林站\n\n6\n00:02:16,374 --> 00:02:46,034\n今年九月又有這個五權戰十月又有五權戰那我們到底還要再多少次因為這一些都是層出不窮其實我對於第一線的台鐵同仁我都是非常感謝其實不只是台鐵啦航空公司高鐵我們客運等相關的業者我也認為是說這一些行業算是高風險群我們絕對不能允許說任何人在從事服務業的時候我還要受這樣的一個氣甚至我還要受這樣的攻擊所以我們這樣怎麼樣比較具體的保障我們台鐵的同仁\n\n7\n00:02:46,835 --> 00:03:06,316\n報告委員幾個部分一個部分是您的這個建議非常好密錄器的部分我們其實之前也有討論過那我們有透過幾次的這個勞資的協商希望跟我們的同仁來溝通說要裝密錄器這件事情那目前的代表是大家不支持的比較多同仁不支持的比較多不支持\n\n8\n00:03:07,037 --> 00:03:27,608\n但我們的出發點是希望保障大家的權益我們當時也是這樣希望那所以我也拜託台鐵公司有經費不是問題經費不是問題所以不是說有錢不想花不是不是這個一定可以做那但是必須要同仁們大家願意接受願意同意那我們就會來配發這個東西\n\n9\n00:03:29,129 --> 00:03:48,942\n這個部分我們會持續來做溝通持續溝通並且我還是強調是要增加大家的一個安全那再者本席這邊也有提出來就是針對其實是各行各業啦但是我覺得比較多的樣態會是我們的交通部門因為以前差不多五年前八年前大家比較常吵的叫做急診式暴力\n\n10\n00:03:49,682 --> 00:04:09,699\n就在急診室的時候很多人可能喝醉酒那他可能在裡面會去攻擊醫師有急診室暴力後來我們修了相關的醫療法令之後急診室暴力的罰則提高嚇阻急診室暴力但現在本席也注意到其實叫交通行業尤其是連假期間可能大家難免一味難求比較\n\n11\n00:04:10,740 --> 00:04:31,793\n火氣比較大一點的時候可能就會有這些暴力衝突所以未來在員工執勤尤其是大眾運輸執勤的時候如果說有任何人不明就裡或是刻意的去攻擊我們的戰務員我們的空服員我們任何的服務人員的時候應該要提高加強處分的罰則本市已經有提案了\n\n12\n00:04:32,333 --> 00:04:50,558\n部長願意支持嗎委員這個建議非常好啦我是覺得是有需要保護我們的所有運具上面的同仁的安全因為其實大家在團聚或在遊玩的過程當中都是我們所有交通同仁最辛苦的時候大家放假我們同仁在上班尤其是上禮拜中秋這禮拜國慶12月25號光復\n\n13\n00:04:53,052 --> 00:05:12,940\n我們講那麼多的一個專案其實說實在就是要拜託所有的同仁一定要加緊上班才能夠確保運輸無虞嘛對那在這個時候我們要保障旅客的安全當然同時也要保障所有的同仁的安全這個都相當的重要所以這個部分如果委員願意提出修法我們當然是很\n\n14\n00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:40,126\n只是這是一個態度問題告訴大家是說人家都已經那麼用心的服務你了不能尤其是不能有任何的語言的侮辱或是肢體的衝突更不可能容許縱容大家肢體攻擊我們的服務人員沒錯對吧好謝謝來部長另外一個議題淡江大橋您剛也特別提到大家國人都非常關注但是好事多磨第一延到明年五月才會通車第二\n\n15\n00:05:40,706 --> 00:06:02,283\n又爆發一個新北市的到底是誤會還是爭議就是說淡江大橋我們公路局居然在二月悄悄的去申請了一個商標然後還要求現在新北市府要辦活動不能用淡江大橋我先釐清一件事實未來新北市府或是各公務部門要辦活動能不能用淡江大橋還是要講說這是不能說的橋\n\n16\n00:06:04,844 --> 00:06:31,580\n報告委員這個當然都是可以用的啦第一可以用沒有限制那第二也跟委員報告為什麼會有這個註冊商標其實註冊商標在台灣是相當普遍的例如說101的註冊商標就在101這間企業嘛那淡江大小是台灣很關鍵的一個基礎建設也是很偉大的工程它的業主就是公路局就是公路局所以業主來申請但是它的出資方是各三分之一沒有錯\n\n17\n00:06:31,940 --> 00:07:01,032\n新北市府出了三分之一公路局交通部出了三分之一内政部出了三分之一所以说它是跨部会跨中央地方政府共同出三分之一只是承办执行的单位是交通部下的公路局这要理清一方面它的业主是公路局二方面它这条道路未来的维养跟管理也是公路局所以未来的业主其实就是公路局所以公路局来申请这个东西大家不用担心它是代表国家因为我们在防范的是\n\n18\n00:07:01,172 --> 00:07:19,155\n你是中華民國交通部下公路局所以說這個商標的所有權是中華民國就屬於中華民國的所以我們中華民國的所有的地方政府未來如果需要使用這個商標都沒有問題我們全部公路局當然屬於中華民國的政府那中華民國政府包含的地方政府\n\n19\n00:07:19,796 --> 00:07:34,458\n大家都可以使用部長所以之前我們在淡水區公所辦的活動居然收到交通部公路員這邊的公文講說對於使用淡江大橋有疑義那是不是抄議了抄錢部署了\n\n20\n00:07:35,319 --> 00:07:57,462\n所以未來如果說以部長剛剛的講法部長剛剛的講法我是聽得進去的喔因為是為國家我們防止商標蟑螂嘛其實最早2006年高鐵要進來的時候我們T700的這個列車就去註冊商標因為那時候怕是說T700這個列車很新穎人家如果說有民間企業去註冊的話反而變成是我們沒有這個商標\n\n21\n00:07:58,243 --> 00:08:12,223\n所以2006年更早之前就有這些部分但是我現在要釐清的是公部門要用能不能用所以新北市府未來還需要我要用還需要遮遮掩掩躲躲藏藏嗎應該不需要吧\n\n22\n00:08:13,150 --> 00:08:34,616\n報告委員這種事情絕對不會發生好絕對不會發生未來新北市也已經承諾要在淡江大橋就是每年跨年的時候釋放煙火我也希望誠摯的邀請身為新北的委員也是淡水在地的委員誠摯邀請部長真的今年有機會有時間也一起來跨年煙火可以嗎\n\n23\n00:08:36,417 --> 00:08:56,856\n謝謝委員如果在安全無虞的狀況底下當然安全無虞啊你是對公務部門沒信心還是對工程沒信心這個橋可不可以放煙火我們目前正在研議啦有啦已經放了三四年了啦我們這三四年是在旁邊用平台的方式這個絕對沒問題那我也希望有機會可以參加好謝謝部長那部長最後啦我只再提一個因為您剛也特別提到\n\n24\n00:08:57,617 --> 00:09:14,298\n拼觀光尤其二零二七年第三航廈也要落成但是我們在一個多月前也看到桃園機場第一航廈發生警察追緝白牌車事件反而讓香港來的旅客還被甩出門外甚至有開了八槍\n\n25\n00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:35,519\n不明就李大家媒體看到以為是這個企圖還是走私還是重大犯罪原來是白牌車爭議那白牌車爭議其實過去到現在也已經講了非常多時間尤其好幾任兩任至少兩任部長都已經講是說希望能夠開放研議不管是更寬寬\n\n26\n00:09:38,499 --> 00:10:03,019\n容的一個規劃或者是說讓各方都能夠接受規劃來減輕這樣的一個爭議是部長我們的初衷是希望說讓所有的旅客更加的便利是站在旅客的角度旅客更加便利旅客的安全我們現在看到的是有多元的供應的方案我們目前也在討論法制的部分看怎麼樣讓它能夠更放寬更符合現實的狀態什麼時候能夠出來因為其實已經經歷過兩任部長了\n\n27\n00:10:07,923 --> 00:10:21,988\n本席現在重點在於是說絕對不能亂是乘客有乘客的需求尤其機場跟其他地方最大不一樣是機場來自四面八方全國世界各國各地的旅客所以每個人的使用習慣不一樣\n\n28\n00:10:22,711 --> 00:10:48,174\n我們的法令正在做調試我們希望近幾個月能夠有一個結果出來我們會先用示範的方法我們希望三個月到四個月左右的時間來做一個示範三個月到四個月的時間就等於是今年現在十月了嘛十二月底以前會有辦法出來能夠有能夠有示範因為你要搶的可能就是未來的這個農曆年節的這個假期是不是希望能夠做示範請\n\n29\n00:10:49,295 --> 00:11:15,444\n提出來一個方案讓各界都能夠接受並且該溝通要溝通但最重要的是不要再看到這樣的亂象對警方對第一線的執行人員我想今天那個局長有來嘛我覺得對第一線的執行人員也是一個非常大的壓力啊那我也不希望說造成第一線執行人員的壓力然後還有就是我們也不希望天天看到這樣的狀況上演嘛是不是好所以剛剛部長講了今年底\n\n30\n00:11:16,621 --> 00:11:24,875\n有示範方案可以出來今年底或者是1月修正草案我們的修正草案會出來會開始示範好我們期待交通部提出新的解方謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2657\t30772\t主席謝謝麻煩請陳士凱部長請部長好部長好交通問題方方面面但是我們都說交通沒有最好只有更好所以我們要一起努力我先請教在這個連假期間也看到了台鐵五泉站的這個站務員是因為要勸導一個遊民然後到時候被遊民推下這個軌道\n32313\t58182\t真的是觸目驚心如果說不是這個戰務員他也是伸手矯健那還有就是那列車不是同一個水稿上他可能今天又是一個漢市我也看到了現在檢方是以殺人重罪這是逃亡之虞所以說已經申請羈押獲准但更重要的是我們來探討一下在第一個部分去年2024年8月其實也發生大林戰\n58982\t88036\t的一個攻擊事件張委員被攻擊事件那當初我們就希望是說要拒絕職場暴力所以說希望員工能夠有配發公發的密錄器以及增加見景率等等的部分到現在進度怎麼樣報告委員台鐵公司一方面會協助保護員工因為到目前為止其實像這一件事件沒有密錄器所以我們也沒有辦法還原說到底當下的一個溝通的狀況是不是是\n89524\t111925\t報告委員目前是這樣子員工的部分有分兩個部分工會有產業工會跟一般的企業工會目前產業工會是有訴求說希望能夠裝密錄器不過工會是比較反對裝密錄器公司其實也有做這方面的研議我覺得如果是該花錢能夠保護員工當然我們就要去做這個是保障同仁的執勤安全\n112526\t135674\t但是就像警察消防等相關的弟兄現在公發的密錄器也都可以在第一時間來打開密錄器了解說現場的狀況釐清事實真相並且變成是台鐵公司能夠當成是一個巴庫能夠保障所有賬務員的安全沒錯委員這個建議非常的好去年8月大林站\n136374\t166034\t今年九月又有這個五權戰十月又有五權戰那我們到底還要再多少次因為這一些都是層出不窮其實我對於第一線的台鐵同仁我都是非常感謝其實不只是台鐵啦航空公司高鐵我們客運等相關的業者我也認為是說這一些行業算是高風險群我們絕對不能允許說任何人在從事服務業的時候我還要受這樣的一個氣甚至我還要受這樣的攻擊所以我們這樣怎麼樣比較具體的保障我們台鐵的同仁\n166835\t186316\t報告委員幾個部分一個部分是您的這個建議非常好密錄器的部分我們其實之前也有討論過那我們有透過幾次的這個勞資的協商希望跟我們的同仁來溝通說要裝密錄器這件事情那目前的代表是大家不支持的比較多同仁不支持的比較多不支持\n187037\t207608\t但我們的出發點是希望保障大家的權益我們當時也是這樣希望那所以我也拜託台鐵公司有經費不是問題經費不是問題所以不是說有錢不想花不是不是這個一定可以做那但是必須要同仁們大家願意接受願意同意那我們就會來配發這個東西\n209129\t228942\t這個部分我們會持續來做溝通持續溝通並且我還是強調是要增加大家的一個安全那再者本席這邊也有提出來就是針對其實是各行各業啦但是我覺得比較多的樣態會是我們的交通部門因為以前差不多五年前八年前大家比較常吵的叫做急診式暴力\n229682\t249699\t就在急診室的時候很多人可能喝醉酒那他可能在裡面會去攻擊醫師有急診室暴力後來我們修了相關的醫療法令之後急診室暴力的罰則提高嚇阻急診室暴力但現在本席也注意到其實叫交通行業尤其是連假期間可能大家難免一味難求比較\n250740\t271793\t火氣比較大一點的時候可能就會有這些暴力衝突所以未來在員工執勤尤其是大眾運輸執勤的時候如果說有任何人不明就裡或是刻意的去攻擊我們的戰務員我們的空服員我們任何的服務人員的時候應該要提高加強處分的罰則本市已經有提案了\n272333\t290558\t部長願意支持嗎委員這個建議非常好啦我是覺得是有需要保護我們的所有運具上面的同仁的安全因為其實大家在團聚或在遊玩的過程當中都是我們所有交通同仁最辛苦的時候大家放假我們同仁在上班尤其是上禮拜中秋這禮拜國慶12月25號光復\n293052\t312940\t我們講那麼多的一個專案其實說實在就是要拜託所有的同仁一定要加緊上班才能夠確保運輸無虞嘛對那在這個時候我們要保障旅客的安全當然同時也要保障所有的同仁的安全這個都相當的重要所以這個部分如果委員願意提出修法我們當然是很\n313280\t340126\t只是這是一個態度問題告訴大家是說人家都已經那麼用心的服務你了不能尤其是不能有任何的語言的侮辱或是肢體的衝突更不可能容許縱容大家肢體攻擊我們的服務人員沒錯對吧好謝謝來部長另外一個議題淡江大橋您剛也特別提到大家國人都非常關注但是好事多磨第一延到明年五月才會通車第二\n340706\t362283\t又爆發一個新北市的到底是誤會還是爭議就是說淡江大橋我們公路局居然在二月悄悄的去申請了一個商標然後還要求現在新北市府要辦活動不能用淡江大橋我先釐清一件事實未來新北市府或是各公務部門要辦活動能不能用淡江大橋還是要講說這是不能說的橋\n364844\t391580\t報告委員這個當然都是可以用的啦第一可以用沒有限制那第二也跟委員報告為什麼會有這個註冊商標其實註冊商標在台灣是相當普遍的例如說101的註冊商標就在101這間企業嘛那淡江大小是台灣很關鍵的一個基礎建設也是很偉大的工程它的業主就是公路局就是公路局所以業主來申請但是它的出資方是各三分之一沒有錯\n391940\t421032\t新北市府出了三分之一公路局交通部出了三分之一内政部出了三分之一所以说它是跨部会跨中央地方政府共同出三分之一只是承办执行的单位是交通部下的公路局这要理清一方面它的业主是公路局二方面它这条道路未来的维养跟管理也是公路局所以未来的业主其实就是公路局所以公路局来申请这个东西大家不用担心它是代表国家因为我们在防范的是\n421172\t439155\t你是中華民國交通部下公路局所以說這個商標的所有權是中華民國就屬於中華民國的所以我們中華民國的所有的地方政府未來如果需要使用這個商標都沒有問題我們全部公路局當然屬於中華民國的政府那中華民國政府包含的地方政府\n439796\t454458\t大家都可以使用部長所以之前我們在淡水區公所辦的活動居然收到交通部公路員這邊的公文講說對於使用淡江大橋有疑義那是不是抄議了抄錢部署了\n455319\t477462\t所以未來如果說以部長剛剛的講法部長剛剛的講法我是聽得進去的喔因為是為國家我們防止商標蟑螂嘛其實最早2006年高鐵要進來的時候我們T700的這個列車就去註冊商標因為那時候怕是說T700這個列車很新穎人家如果說有民間企業去註冊的話反而變成是我們沒有這個商標\n478243\t492223\t所以2006年更早之前就有這些部分但是我現在要釐清的是公部門要用能不能用所以新北市府未來還需要我要用還需要遮遮掩掩躲躲藏藏嗎應該不需要吧\n493150\t514616\t報告委員這種事情絕對不會發生好絕對不會發生未來新北市也已經承諾要在淡江大橋就是每年跨年的時候釋放煙火我也希望誠摯的邀請身為新北的委員也是淡水在地的委員誠摯邀請部長真的今年有機會有時間也一起來跨年煙火可以嗎\n516417\t536856\t謝謝委員如果在安全無虞的狀況底下當然安全無虞啊你是對公務部門沒信心還是對工程沒信心這個橋可不可以放煙火我們目前正在研議啦有啦已經放了三四年了啦我們這三四年是在旁邊用平台的方式這個絕對沒問題那我也希望有機會可以參加好謝謝部長那部長最後啦我只再提一個因為您剛也特別提到\n537617\t554298\t拼觀光尤其二零二七年第三航廈也要落成但是我們在一個多月前也看到桃園機場第一航廈發生警察追緝白牌車事件反而讓香港來的旅客還被甩出門外甚至有開了八槍\n555399\t575519\t不明就李大家媒體看到以為是這個企圖還是走私還是重大犯罪原來是白牌車爭議那白牌車爭議其實過去到現在也已經講了非常多時間尤其好幾任兩任至少兩任部長都已經講是說希望能夠開放研議不管是更寬寬\n578499\t603019\t容的一個規劃或者是說讓各方都能夠接受規劃來減輕這樣的一個爭議是 部長我們的初衷是希望說讓所有的旅客更加的便利是 站在旅客的角度旅客更加便利旅客的安全我們現在看到的是有多元的供應的方案我們目前也在討論法制的部分看怎麼樣讓它能夠更放寬更符合現實的狀態什麼時候能夠出來因為其實已經經歷過兩任部長了\n607923\t621988\t本席現在重點在於是說絕對不能亂是乘客有乘客的需求尤其機場跟其他地方最大不一樣是機場來自四面八方全國世界各國各地的旅客所以每個人的使用習慣不一樣\n622711\t648174\t我們的法令正在做調試我們希望近幾個月能夠有一個結果出來我們會先用示範的方法我們希望三個月到四個月左右的時間來做一個示範三個月到四個月的時間就等於是今年現在十月了嘛十二月底以前會有辦法出來能夠有能夠有示範因為你要搶的可能就是未來的這個農曆年節的這個假期是不是希望能夠做示範請\n649295\t675444\t提出來一個方案讓各界都能夠接受並且該溝通要溝通但最重要的是不要再看到這樣的亂象對警方對第一線的執行人員我想今天那個局長有來嘛我覺得對第一線的執行人員也是一個非常大的壓力啊那我也不希望說造成第一線執行人員的壓力然後還有就是我們也不希望天天看到這樣的狀況上演嘛是不是好所以剛剛部長講了今年底\n676621\t684875\t有示範方案可以出來 今年底或者是1月修正草案 我們的修正草案會出來會開始示範好 我們期待交通部提出新的解方謝謝\n","txt":"主席謝謝麻煩請陳士凱部長請部長好部長好交通問題方方面面但是我們都說交通沒有最好只有更好所以我們要一起努力我先請教在這個連假期間也看到了台鐵五泉站的這個站務員是因為要勸導一個遊民然後到時候被遊民推下這個軌道\n真的是觸目驚心如果說不是這個戰務員他也是伸手矯健那還有就是那列車不是同一個水稿上他可能今天又是一個漢市我也看到了現在檢方是以殺人重罪這是逃亡之虞所以說已經申請羈押獲准但更重要的是我們來探討一下在第一個部分去年2024年8月其實也發生大林戰\n的一個攻擊事件張委員被攻擊事件那當初我們就希望是說要拒絕職場暴力所以說希望員工能夠有配發公發的密錄器以及增加見景率等等的部分到現在進度怎麼樣報告委員台鐵公司一方面會協助保護員工因為到目前為止其實像這一件事件沒有密錄器所以我們也沒有辦法還原說到底當下的一個溝通的狀況是不是是\n報告委員目前是這樣子員工的部分有分兩個部分工會有產業工會跟一般的企業工會目前產業工會是有訴求說希望能夠裝密錄器不過工會是比較反對裝密錄器公司其實也有做這方面的研議我覺得如果是該花錢能夠保護員工當然我們就要去做這個是保障同仁的執勤安全\n但是就像警察消防等相關的弟兄現在公發的密錄器也都可以在第一時間來打開密錄器了解說現場的狀況釐清事實真相並且變成是台鐵公司能夠當成是一個巴庫能夠保障所有賬務員的安全沒錯委員這個建議非常的好去年8月大林站\n今年九月又有這個五權戰十月又有五權戰那我們到底還要再多少次因為這一些都是層出不窮其實我對於第一線的台鐵同仁我都是非常感謝其實不只是台鐵啦航空公司高鐵我們客運等相關的業者我也認為是說這一些行業算是高風險群我們絕對不能允許說任何人在從事服務業的時候我還要受這樣的一個氣甚至我還要受這樣的攻擊所以我們這樣怎麼樣比較具體的保障我們台鐵的同仁\n報告委員幾個部分一個部分是您的這個建議非常好密錄器的部分我們其實之前也有討論過那我們有透過幾次的這個勞資的協商希望跟我們的同仁來溝通說要裝密錄器這件事情那目前的代表是大家不支持的比較多同仁不支持的比較多不支持\n但我們的出發點是希望保障大家的權益我們當時也是這樣希望那所以我也拜託台鐵公司有經費不是問題經費不是問題所以不是說有錢不想花不是不是這個一定可以做那但是必須要同仁們大家願意接受願意同意那我們就會來配發這個東西\n這個部分我們會持續來做溝通持續溝通並且我還是強調是要增加大家的一個安全那再者本席這邊也有提出來就是針對其實是各行各業啦但是我覺得比較多的樣態會是我們的交通部門因為以前差不多五年前八年前大家比較常吵的叫做急診式暴力\n就在急診室的時候很多人可能喝醉酒那他可能在裡面會去攻擊醫師有急診室暴力後來我們修了相關的醫療法令之後急診室暴力的罰則提高嚇阻急診室暴力但現在本席也注意到其實叫交通行業尤其是連假期間可能大家難免一味難求比較\n火氣比較大一點的時候可能就會有這些暴力衝突所以未來在員工執勤尤其是大眾運輸執勤的時候如果說有任何人不明就裡或是刻意的去攻擊我們的戰務員我們的空服員我們任何的服務人員的時候應該要提高加強處分的罰則本市已經有提案了\n部長願意支持嗎委員這個建議非常好啦我是覺得是有需要保護我們的所有運具上面的同仁的安全因為其實大家在團聚或在遊玩的過程當中都是我們所有交通同仁最辛苦的時候大家放假我們同仁在上班尤其是上禮拜中秋這禮拜國慶12月25號光復\n我們講那麼多的一個專案其實說實在就是要拜託所有的同仁一定要加緊上班才能夠確保運輸無虞嘛對那在這個時候我們要保障旅客的安全當然同時也要保障所有的同仁的安全這個都相當的重要所以這個部分如果委員願意提出修法我們當然是很\n只是這是一個態度問題告訴大家是說人家都已經那麼用心的服務你了不能尤其是不能有任何的語言的侮辱或是肢體的衝突更不可能容許縱容大家肢體攻擊我們的服務人員沒錯對吧好謝謝來部長另外一個議題淡江大橋您剛也特別提到大家國人都非常關注但是好事多磨第一延到明年五月才會通車第二\n又爆發一個新北市的到底是誤會還是爭議就是說淡江大橋我們公路局居然在二月悄悄的去申請了一個商標然後還要求現在新北市府要辦活動不能用淡江大橋我先釐清一件事實未來新北市府或是各公務部門要辦活動能不能用淡江大橋還是要講說這是不能說的橋\n報告委員這個當然都是可以用的啦第一可以用沒有限制那第二也跟委員報告為什麼會有這個註冊商標其實註冊商標在台灣是相當普遍的例如說101的註冊商標就在101這間企業嘛那淡江大小是台灣很關鍵的一個基礎建設也是很偉大的工程它的業主就是公路局就是公路局所以業主來申請但是它的出資方是各三分之一沒有錯\n新北市府出了三分之一公路局交通部出了三分之一内政部出了三分之一所以说它是跨部会跨中央地方政府共同出三分之一只是承办执行的单位是交通部下的公路局这要理清一方面它的业主是公路局二方面它这条道路未来的维养跟管理也是公路局所以未来的业主其实就是公路局所以公路局来申请这个东西大家不用担心它是代表国家因为我们在防范的是\n你是中華民國交通部下公路局所以說這個商標的所有權是中華民國就屬於中華民國的所以我們中華民國的所有的地方政府未來如果需要使用這個商標都沒有問題我們全部公路局當然屬於中華民國的政府那中華民國政府包含的地方政府\n大家都可以使用部長所以之前我們在淡水區公所辦的活動居然收到交通部公路員這邊的公文講說對於使用淡江大橋有疑義那是不是抄議了抄錢部署了\n所以未來如果說以部長剛剛的講法部長剛剛的講法我是聽得進去的喔因為是為國家我們防止商標蟑螂嘛其實最早2006年高鐵要進來的時候我們T700的這個列車就去註冊商標因為那時候怕是說T700這個列車很新穎人家如果說有民間企業去註冊的話反而變成是我們沒有這個商標\n所以2006年更早之前就有這些部分但是我現在要釐清的是公部門要用能不能用所以新北市府未來還需要我要用還需要遮遮掩掩躲躲藏藏嗎應該不需要吧\n報告委員這種事情絕對不會發生好絕對不會發生未來新北市也已經承諾要在淡江大橋就是每年跨年的時候釋放煙火我也希望誠摯的邀請身為新北的委員也是淡水在地的委員誠摯邀請部長真的今年有機會有時間也一起來跨年煙火可以嗎\n謝謝委員如果在安全無虞的狀況底下當然安全無虞啊你是對公務部門沒信心還是對工程沒信心這個橋可不可以放煙火我們目前正在研議啦有啦已經放了三四年了啦我們這三四年是在旁邊用平台的方式這個絕對沒問題那我也希望有機會可以參加好謝謝部長那部長最後啦我只再提一個因為您剛也特別提到\n拼觀光尤其二零二七年第三航廈也要落成但是我們在一個多月前也看到桃園機場第一航廈發生警察追緝白牌車事件反而讓香港來的旅客還被甩出門外甚至有開了八槍\n不明就李大家媒體看到以為是這個企圖還是走私還是重大犯罪原來是白牌車爭議那白牌車爭議其實過去到現在也已經講了非常多時間尤其好幾任兩任至少兩任部長都已經講是說希望能夠開放研議不管是更寬寬\n容的一個規劃或者是說讓各方都能夠接受規劃來減輕這樣的一個爭議是 部長我們的初衷是希望說讓所有的旅客更加的便利是 站在旅客的角度旅客更加便利旅客的安全我們現在看到的是有多元的供應的方案我們目前也在討論法制的部分看怎麼樣讓它能夠更放寬更符合現實的狀態什麼時候能夠出來因為其實已經經歷過兩任部長了\n本席現在重點在於是說絕對不能亂是乘客有乘客的需求尤其機場跟其他地方最大不一樣是機場來自四面八方全國世界各國各地的旅客所以每個人的使用習慣不一樣\n我們的法令正在做調試我們希望近幾個月能夠有一個結果出來我們會先用示範的方法我們希望三個月到四個月左右的時間來做一個示範三個月到四個月的時間就等於是今年現在十月了嘛十二月底以前會有辦法出來能夠有能夠有示範因為你要搶的可能就是未來的這個農曆年節的這個假期是不是希望能夠做示範請\n提出來一個方案讓各界都能夠接受並且該溝通要溝通但最重要的是不要再看到這樣的亂象對警方對第一線的執行人員我想今天那個局長有來嘛我覺得對第一線的執行人員也是一個非常大的壓力啊那我也不希望說造成第一線執行人員的壓力然後還有就是我們也不希望天天看到這樣的狀況上演嘛是不是好所以剛剛部長講了今年底\n有示範方案可以出來 今年底或者是1月修正草案 我們的修正草案會出來會開始示範好 我們期待交通部提出新的解方謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.657 --> 00:30.772\n主席謝謝麻煩請陳士凱部長請部長好部長好交通問題方方面面但是我們都說交通沒有最好只有更好所以我們要一起努力我先請教在這個連假期間也看到了台鐵五泉站的這個站務員是因為要勸導一個遊民然後到時候被遊民推下這個軌道\n\n00:32.313 --> 00:58.182\n真的是觸目驚心如果說不是這個戰務員他也是伸手矯健那還有就是那列車不是同一個水稿上他可能今天又是一個漢市我也看到了現在檢方是以殺人重罪這是逃亡之虞所以說已經申請羈押獲准但更重要的是我們來探討一下在第一個部分去年2024年8月其實也發生大林戰\n\n00:58.982 --> 01:28.036\n的一個攻擊事件張委員被攻擊事件那當初我們就希望是說要拒絕職場暴力所以說希望員工能夠有配發公發的密錄器以及增加見景率等等的部分到現在進度怎麼樣報告委員台鐵公司一方面會協助保護員工因為到目前為止其實像這一件事件沒有密錄器所以我們也沒有辦法還原說到底當下的一個溝通的狀況是不是是\n\n01:29.524 --> 01:51.925\n報告委員目前是這樣子員工的部分有分兩個部分工會有產業工會跟一般的企業工會目前產業工會是有訴求說希望能夠裝密錄器不過工會是比較反對裝密錄器公司其實也有做這方面的研議我覺得如果是該花錢能夠保護員工當然我們就要去做這個是保障同仁的執勤安全\n\n01:52.526 --> 02:15.674\n但是就像警察消防等相關的弟兄現在公發的密錄器也都可以在第一時間來打開密錄器了解說現場的狀況釐清事實真相並且變成是台鐵公司能夠當成是一個巴庫能夠保障所有賬務員的安全沒錯委員這個建議非常的好去年8月大林站\n\n02:16.374 --> 02:46.034\n今年九月又有這個五權戰十月又有五權戰那我們到底還要再多少次因為這一些都是層出不窮其實我對於第一線的台鐵同仁我都是非常感謝其實不只是台鐵啦航空公司高鐵我們客運等相關的業者我也認為是說這一些行業算是高風險群我們絕對不能允許說任何人在從事服務業的時候我還要受這樣的一個氣甚至我還要受這樣的攻擊所以我們這樣怎麼樣比較具體的保障我們台鐵的同仁\n\n02:46.835 --> 03:06.316\n報告委員幾個部分一個部分是您的這個建議非常好密錄器的部分我們其實之前也有討論過那我們有透過幾次的這個勞資的協商希望跟我們的同仁來溝通說要裝密錄器這件事情那目前的代表是大家不支持的比較多同仁不支持的比較多不支持\n\n03:07.037 --> 03:27.608\n但我們的出發點是希望保障大家的權益我們當時也是這樣希望那所以我也拜託台鐵公司有經費不是問題經費不是問題所以不是說有錢不想花不是不是這個一定可以做那但是必須要同仁們大家願意接受願意同意那我們就會來配發這個東西\n\n03:29.129 --> 03:48.942\n這個部分我們會持續來做溝通持續溝通並且我還是強調是要增加大家的一個安全那再者本席這邊也有提出來就是針對其實是各行各業啦但是我覺得比較多的樣態會是我們的交通部門因為以前差不多五年前八年前大家比較常吵的叫做急診式暴力\n\n03:49.682 --> 04:09.699\n就在急診室的時候很多人可能喝醉酒那他可能在裡面會去攻擊醫師有急診室暴力後來我們修了相關的醫療法令之後急診室暴力的罰則提高嚇阻急診室暴力但現在本席也注意到其實叫交通行業尤其是連假期間可能大家難免一味難求比較\n\n04:10.740 --> 04:31.793\n火氣比較大一點的時候可能就會有這些暴力衝突所以未來在員工執勤尤其是大眾運輸執勤的時候如果說有任何人不明就裡或是刻意的去攻擊我們的戰務員我們的空服員我們任何的服務人員的時候應該要提高加強處分的罰則本市已經有提案了\n\n04:32.333 --> 04:50.558\n部長願意支持嗎委員這個建議非常好啦我是覺得是有需要保護我們的所有運具上面的同仁的安全因為其實大家在團聚或在遊玩的過程當中都是我們所有交通同仁最辛苦的時候大家放假我們同仁在上班尤其是上禮拜中秋這禮拜國慶12月25號光復\n\n04:53.052 --> 05:12.940\n我們講那麼多的一個專案其實說實在就是要拜託所有的同仁一定要加緊上班才能夠確保運輸無虞嘛對那在這個時候我們要保障旅客的安全當然同時也要保障所有的同仁的安全這個都相當的重要所以這個部分如果委員願意提出修法我們當然是很\n\n05:13.280 --> 05:40.126\n只是這是一個態度問題告訴大家是說人家都已經那麼用心的服務你了不能尤其是不能有任何的語言的侮辱或是肢體的衝突更不可能容許縱容大家肢體攻擊我們的服務人員沒錯對吧好謝謝來部長另外一個議題淡江大橋您剛也特別提到大家國人都非常關注但是好事多磨第一延到明年五月才會通車第二\n\n05:40.706 --> 06:02.283\n又爆發一個新北市的到底是誤會還是爭議就是說淡江大橋我們公路局居然在二月悄悄的去申請了一個商標然後還要求現在新北市府要辦活動不能用淡江大橋我先釐清一件事實未來新北市府或是各公務部門要辦活動能不能用淡江大橋還是要講說這是不能說的橋\n\n06:04.844 --> 06:31.580\n報告委員這個當然都是可以用的啦第一可以用沒有限制那第二也跟委員報告為什麼會有這個註冊商標其實註冊商標在台灣是相當普遍的例如說101的註冊商標就在101這間企業嘛那淡江大小是台灣很關鍵的一個基礎建設也是很偉大的工程它的業主就是公路局就是公路局所以業主來申請但是它的出資方是各三分之一沒有錯\n\n06:31.940 --> 07:01.032\n新北市府出了三分之一公路局交通部出了三分之一内政部出了三分之一所以说它是跨部会跨中央地方政府共同出三分之一只是承办执行的单位是交通部下的公路局这要理清一方面它的业主是公路局二方面它这条道路未来的维养跟管理也是公路局所以未来的业主其实就是公路局所以公路局来申请这个东西大家不用担心它是代表国家因为我们在防范的是\n\n07:01.172 --> 07:19.155\n你是中華民國交通部下公路局所以說這個商標的所有權是中華民國就屬於中華民國的所以我們中華民國的所有的地方政府未來如果需要使用這個商標都沒有問題我們全部公路局當然屬於中華民國的政府那中華民國政府包含的地方政府\n\n07:19.796 --> 07:34.458\n大家都可以使用部長所以之前我們在淡水區公所辦的活動居然收到交通部公路員這邊的公文講說對於使用淡江大橋有疑義那是不是抄議了抄錢部署了\n\n07:35.319 --> 07:57.462\n所以未來如果說以部長剛剛的講法部長剛剛的講法我是聽得進去的喔因為是為國家我們防止商標蟑螂嘛其實最早2006年高鐵要進來的時候我們T700的這個列車就去註冊商標因為那時候怕是說T700這個列車很新穎人家如果說有民間企業去註冊的話反而變成是我們沒有這個商標\n\n07:58.243 --> 08:12.223\n所以2006年更早之前就有這些部分但是我現在要釐清的是公部門要用能不能用所以新北市府未來還需要我要用還需要遮遮掩掩躲躲藏藏嗎應該不需要吧\n\n08:13.150 --> 08:34.616\n報告委員這種事情絕對不會發生好絕對不會發生未來新北市也已經承諾要在淡江大橋就是每年跨年的時候釋放煙火我也希望誠摯的邀請身為新北的委員也是淡水在地的委員誠摯邀請部長真的今年有機會有時間也一起來跨年煙火可以嗎\n\n08:36.417 --> 08:56.856\n謝謝委員如果在安全無虞的狀況底下當然安全無虞啊你是對公務部門沒信心還是對工程沒信心這個橋可不可以放煙火我們目前正在研議啦有啦已經放了三四年了啦我們這三四年是在旁邊用平台的方式這個絕對沒問題那我也希望有機會可以參加好謝謝部長那部長最後啦我只再提一個因為您剛也特別提到\n\n08:57.617 --> 09:14.298\n拼觀光尤其二零二七年第三航廈也要落成但是我們在一個多月前也看到桃園機場第一航廈發生警察追緝白牌車事件反而讓香港來的旅客還被甩出門外甚至有開了八槍\n\n09:15.399 --> 09:35.519\n不明就李大家媒體看到以為是這個企圖還是走私還是重大犯罪原來是白牌車爭議那白牌車爭議其實過去到現在也已經講了非常多時間尤其好幾任兩任至少兩任部長都已經講是說希望能夠開放研議不管是更寬寬\n\n09:38.499 --> 10:03.019\n容的一個規劃或者是說讓各方都能夠接受規劃來減輕這樣的一個爭議是部長我們的初衷是希望說讓所有的旅客更加的便利是站在旅客的角度旅客更加便利旅客的安全我們現在看到的是有多元的供應的方案我們目前也在討論法制的部分看怎麼樣讓它能夠更放寬更符合現實的狀態什麼時候能夠出來因為其實已經經歷過兩任部長了\n\n10:07.923 --> 10:21.988\n本席現在重點在於是說絕對不能亂是乘客有乘客的需求尤其機場跟其他地方最大不一樣是機場來自四面八方全國世界各國各地的旅客所以每個人的使用習慣不一樣\n\n10:22.711 --> 10:48.174\n我們的法令正在做調試我們希望近幾個月能夠有一個結果出來我們會先用示範的方法我們希望三個月到四個月左右的時間來做一個示範三個月到四個月的時間就等於是今年現在十月了嘛十二月底以前會有辦法出來能夠有能夠有示範因為你要搶的可能就是未來的這個農曆年節的這個假期是不是希望能夠做示範請\n\n10:49.295 --> 11:15.444\n提出來一個方案讓各界都能夠接受並且該溝通要溝通但最重要的是不要再看到這樣的亂象對警方對第一線的執行人員我想今天那個局長有來嘛我覺得對第一線的執行人員也是一個非常大的壓力啊那我也不希望說造成第一線執行人員的壓力然後還有就是我們也不希望天天看到這樣的狀況上演嘛是不是好所以剛剛部長講了今年底\n\n11:16.621 --> 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