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00:01:37,288\n他們在附近有提供的殘車但是那不夠應付因為這整天都很多我們的殘職超人在那邊協助所以我想我們很貼心看到台鐵公司提供的礦泉水跟麵包讓大家這個讓辛苦的這個殘職超人能夠先衝擊然後先止渴這要給大家台鐵公司的同仁感謝這也是我們向台鐵公司的同仁\n\n5\n00:01:37,988 --> 00:02:04,987\n在這樣的一個默默的一個做這些事情應該值得被肯定鼓勵這補充要跟當事人要給我們的基層同仁鼓勵那尤其我自己發現因為當時大家人穿雨鞋甚至廁所那個使用頻率非常的高我們火車站的同仁不畏辛苦這樣一直在拚手真的非常非常的感動我想這也是我們臺灣最美的風景之一啦真的給大家昆仁到額了感謝不過我還是要提醒\n\n6\n00:02:05,487 --> 00:02:27,739\n因為我們除了今年這個幾個廉價之外明年預估會有9個大的廉價我想未來對這個整個陸海空交通運輸的一個這個衝擊也好或者是營運的一個狀況也好是我們交通部很大的一個挑戰我想保定跟兩位董事長有沒有信心面臨我們未來越來越多的一個廉價的一個交通運輸的一個需求\n\n7\n00:02:28,719 --> 00:02:55,114\n報告委員這個部分我們其實過去也很有輸運的經驗那明年的假期其實可能是非常的多因為大院通過的這個假期的這個法令讓假期廉價變多那明年我們一方面透過AI的系統跟過去的經驗大家累積起來用大數據去統計大概會能夠預估的到運量大概走到什麼樣的狀況我們會預先做準備有足夠的車輛\n\n8\n00:02:56,055 --> 00:03:22,103\n有足夠的人力有足夠的資源並且在應變的部分我們也會做好準備包含我們的運具聯防運具之間的互相幫忙這個部分對我們來說是相當的重要另外如果我們預估到說在雙鐵的人數特別多的時候我們也會鼓勵大家透過公路的客運也就是國道客運所以委員應該有觀察到我們最近幾次的打折\n\n9\n00:03:22,983 --> 00:03:46,463\n一般的廉價我們打八五折但像中秋節我們就打到六折交通部用補貼的方式鼓勵大家分散運具的方式來做返鄉或者是出遊我們希望能夠讓大家都能夠不要太擁擠不要太擁塞那其實交通部各個部門我們對於數據的掌握都相當的重視那我們也不斷在驗證我們數據的精準度那這個部分我們持續努力希望能夠做好\n\n10\n00:03:47,243 --> 00:04:15,504\n部長當然我知道你們有一定有所謂的一個應變計畫但是有時候計畫趕不上變化有時候突然遇到這個班機可能delay或者是這個航班也可能會受到影響甚至公路大太扯的情形怎麼樣應變緊急調度這部分我想這也是我們明年這個那麼多廉價很重要的一個挑戰大家總是希望快快樂樂出門平平安安回家最重要不要太久太久的時間這樣大家受不了\n\n11\n00:04:16,104 --> 00:04:45,030\n我想這應該是大家共同面對的挑戰那尤其我想現在我因為我常常幾乎每天都坐高鐵跟台鐵我想我們現在推的這個民進車廂是一個很好的政策但是我有跟董事長提過因為畢竟這個要還是一段時間的磨合那我們的這個在車上的這個服務的人員真的很辛苦也要我想也應該要鼓勵他們有時候要善意的提醒因為畢竟這個是一個好的政策我們也希望能夠推下去董事長有沒有什麼樣的想法\n\n12\n00:04:45,697 --> 00:05:00,842\n我想這個就是剛才部長講的我們運劇聯訪裡面是非常重要的而且整個情況都會再一直來變譬如這一次光復我們剛才光復的時候以前都一天大概一天一千多人一下子來了三四萬人那這個時候我們的整個動線還有我們\n\n13\n00:05:03,223 --> 00:05:29,569\n同仁的資源從北部從各個地方下去支援都很快速所以這個就是剛才部長講的我們隨時機動來調整我們的資源我們會朝這方面然後跟台鐵這邊尤其我們在西部走廊裡面台鐵現在也是軟板模範那高鐵那台鐵的話我們現在也是全力的來來支援我們尖峰時段可能SLOT沒有我們大概次尖峰我們會加班然後提早讓客人來預訂那這樣的話也可以紓解\n\n14\n00:05:32,550 --> 00:05:50,897\n這樣的一個情況是不是施董事長也回答一下謝謝委員的關心我想鄰近車廂的部分感謝國人同胞事實上到目前為止9月20號事件我想大部分其實都是相當良好的配合而且大家也都普遍支持這個政策那同時也沉入委員說的我們車務上的同仁在執行上\n\n15\n00:05:51,377 --> 00:06:12,399\n我們也是提醒大家能夠用善意來這個勸導目前整體的狀況來講我們平均每一班列車坦白講這個勸導的案件都是零星的案件所以我想整體這個如果能夠在未來的三到六個月把整個狀況穩定下來我想它未來可以成為臺灣代表文明指標一個很好的案例謝謝謝謝董事長辛苦了謝謝另外董事長請回\n\n16\n00:06:13,420 --> 00:06:38,942\n部長我想另外一個我們要特別重視的一個就是現在比亞迪這個摩拳擦掌要登陸臺灣那我記得我去年到現在多次在委員會都有提到這個議題部長現在有可能他們掛一個叫做騰式的一個品牌會到臺灣來我想這個是一個很重要的一個政治的一個政策的一個破口甚至一個治安的一個漏洞部長我們交通部有沒有什麼樣的對策\n\n17\n00:06:40,408 --> 00:06:53,895\n報告委員這個部分其實第一關應該會是在經濟部經濟部對於這個產地的部分他們應該會做一定的把關那第二部才會到我們交通部來第二部的部分是不是請局長也說明一下\n\n18\n00:06:54,457 --> 00:07:15,238\n各位報告這個部分的話就是說第一個部分他要先這個入關那入關的部分大概這個經濟部跟財政部在這個就不能整車整車的部分嘛那另外一個部分的話那到國內來他就必須要申請這個安全審驗跟這個耗能還有環境部的這個噪音這些等等的部分那後\n\n19\n00:07:15,839 --> 00:07:30,151\n半段的部分那就會有我們這三個部分來負責這個把關只要現在的設計基本上就是說前面一定要取得這個經濟部的這一個許可的一個證明才能進到後半段這邊來我想這我們也要請專業跨部會來一起來處理這個事情這我們會再緊盯這個相關的\n\n20\n00:07:34,514 --> 00:08:01,460\n那部長我想昨天我在院會我也特別質詢了部長跟您因為我們擔心未來這個財化法的一個讓我們交通部的預算大幅的減少那對於屏東來講包含高鐵捷運這個屏南快速道路這些重大的交通建設我們擔心進度受影響甚至這個對於這個縣市政府的補助也會受到衝擊部長這邊你能不能公開承諾對於未來對於屏東縣的交通建設給予最大力的支持\n\n21\n00:08:02,260 --> 00:08:26,287\n報告委員對於捷運系統來說的話兩方面是未來我們的評估標準一方面是我們看縣市政府的財政的狀況例如說這次統籌分配款已經分到很多的縣市他的財政已經到一級的這個部分我們給予的補助大概就會很少但是財政比較不好的我們就給多一些我們少40而已是這一方面所以我們會考量到\n\n22\n00:08:26,607 --> 00:08:45,428\n第二方面是我們要考量說捷運的進展的程度像雙北來說它的捷運的進展已經非常的超前了那這個部分我們大概就不會用太大的力氣或太大的資源去協助但是對於捷運相對落後的地方例如說台中台南高雄\n\n23\n00:08:45,808 --> 00:09:10,987\n甚至是您所在的縣市屏東這些是捷運相對落後的縣市我們會比較優先來補助我們會盡量來協助不過也跟委員報告一件事透過財化法的劃分之後其實中央能夠協助地方來補助的力道一定比過去小很多因為我們的資源也少了所以我們能夠協助的力道也比較小不過我們有限的資源之下我跟委員報告就是剛剛的那兩點\n\n24\n00:09:12,168 --> 00:09:26,307\n一個是財政的狀態地方政府的財政的狀態他是第幾級那第二個就是說捷運過去已經拿很多補助的就少了啦那過去比較少補助的我們就希望多一點協助以上跟我們報告\n\n25\n00:09:27,188 --> 00:09:42,303\n部長我想這個後續我們還有很多時間那我也會邀請我們相關的單位針對這幾個交通建設我們要盯緊進度啦希望你不讓我們變成這個交通到位我們怎麼樣均衡台灣怎麼樣發展產業我想這個對我們也不盡公平\n\n26\n00:09:43,024 --> 00:10:04,333\n那最后我想针对这个国旅的部分跟国外的旅游的部分我想我们还是期待这个国旅的部分要下盟要那尤其怎么样让观光客能够回流到南部能够让更多的这个国外的客人也要还是台湾的国旅能够对屏东的观光有注意我想这个请观光署要加强这个力道了好这个我们要努力谢谢好谢谢委员\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6091\t12318\t謝謝主席 有請我們陳部長台鐵政董事長跟高鐵施董事長施哲董事長部長兩位董事長早安我想我今天先讓大家看一個畫面\n29497\t51047\t這個畫面這個我9月26號我跟我們恆春的潘芳泉議員帶了一群志工我們到花蓮的光復鄉帶了很多的物資還有一些身心的食材我想我們去關心我們這一次受災的一個災民那也去協助一些救災的工作那到晚上我們到光復站去搭\n52147\t68193\t鐵路火車要回去的時候 才發現我們台鐵公司很貼心因為當時光復火車站前面 附近都是重災區當然那時候附近幾乎都沒有店家在賣吃的東西那當然當時我們慈濟還有幾個這個熱心的一個鄉親\n72154\t97288\t他們在附近有提供的殘車但是那不夠應付因為這整天都很多我們的殘職超人在那邊協助所以我想我們很貼心看到台鐵公司提供的礦泉水跟麵包讓大家這個讓辛苦的這個殘職超人能夠先衝擊然後先止渴這要給大家台鐵公司的同仁感謝這也是我們向台鐵公司的同仁\n97988\t124987\t在這樣的一個默默的一個做這些事情應該值得被肯定鼓勵這補充要跟當事人要給我們的基層同仁鼓勵那尤其我自己發現因為當時大家人穿雨鞋甚至廁所那個使用頻率非常的高我們火車站的同仁不畏辛苦這樣一直在拚手真的非常非常的感動我想這也是我們臺灣最美的風景之一啦真的給大家昆仁到額了感謝不過我還是要提醒\n125487\t147739\t因為我們除了今年這個幾個廉價之外明年預估會有9個大的廉價我想未來對這個整個陸海空交通運輸的一個這個衝擊也好或者是營運的一個狀況也好是我們交通部很大的一個挑戰我想保定跟兩位董事長有沒有信心面臨我們未來越來越多的一個廉價的一個交通運輸的一個需求\n148719\t175114\t報告委員 這個部分我們其實過去也很有輸運的經驗那明年的假期其實可能是非常的多因為大院通過的這個假期的這個法令讓假期廉價變多那明年我們一方面透過AI的系統跟過去的經驗大家累積起來用大數據去統計大概會能夠預估的到運量大概走到什麼樣的狀況我們會預先做準備有足夠的車輛\n176055\t202103\t有足夠的人力有足夠的資源並且在應變的部分我們也會做好準備包含我們的運具聯防運具之間的互相幫忙這個部分對我們來說是相當的重要另外如果我們預估到說在雙鐵的人數特別多的時候我們也會鼓勵大家透過公路的客運也就是國道客運所以委員應該有觀察到我們最近幾次的打折\n202983\t226463\t一般的廉價我們打八五折但像中秋節我們就打到六折交通部用補貼的方式鼓勵大家分散運具的方式來做返鄉或者是出遊我們希望能夠讓大家都能夠不要太擁擠不要太擁塞那其實交通部各個部門我們對於數據的掌握都相當的重視那我們也不斷在驗證我們數據的精準度那這個部分我們持續努力希望能夠做好\n227243\t255504\t部長 當然我知道你們有一定有所謂的一個應變計畫但是有時候計畫趕不上變化 有時候突然遇到這個班機可能delay或者是這個航班也可能會受到影響 甚至公路大太扯的情形 怎麼樣應變緊急調度這部分我想這也是我們明年這個那麼多廉價很重要的一個挑戰大家總是希望快快樂樂出門 平平安安回家 最重要不要太久 太久的時間 這樣大家受不了\n256104\t285030\t我想這應該是大家共同面對的挑戰那尤其我想現在我因為我常常幾乎每天都坐高鐵跟台鐵我想我們現在推的這個民進車廂是一個很好的政策但是我有跟董事長提過因為畢竟這個要還是一段時間的磨合那我們的這個在車上的這個服務的人員真的很辛苦也要我想也應該要鼓勵他們有時候要善意的提醒因為畢竟這個是一個好的政策我們也希望能夠推下去董事長有沒有什麼樣的想法\n285697\t300842\t我想這個就是剛才部長講的我們運劇聯訪裡面是非常重要的而且整個情況都會再一直來變譬如這一次光復我們剛才光復的時候以前都一天大概一天一千多人一下子來了三四萬人那這個時候我們的整個動線還有我們\n303223\t329569\t同仁的資源從北部從各個地方下去支援都很快速所以這個就是剛才部長講的我們隨時機動來調整我們的資源我們會朝這方面然後跟台鐵這邊尤其我們在西部走廊裡面台鐵現在也是軟板模範那高鐵那台鐵的話我們現在也是全力的來來支援我們尖峰時段可能SLOT沒有我們大概次尖峰我們會加班然後提早讓客人來預訂那這樣的話也可以紓解\n332550\t350897\t這樣的一個情況是不是施董事長也回答一下謝謝委員的關心我想鄰近車廂的部分感謝國人同胞事實上到目前為止9月20號事件我想大部分其實都是相當良好的配合而且大家也都普遍支持這個政策那同時也沉入委員說的我們車務上的同仁在執行上\n351377\t372399\t我們也是提醒大家能夠用善意來這個勸導目前整體的狀況來講我們平均每一班列車坦白講這個勸導的案件都是零星的案件所以我想整體這個如果能夠在未來的三到六個月把整個狀況穩定下來我想它未來可以成為臺灣代表文明指標一個很好的案例 謝謝謝謝董事長辛苦了謝謝 另外董事長請回\n373420\t398942\t部長我想另外一個我們要特別重視的一個就是現在比亞迪這個摩拳擦掌要登陸臺灣那我記得我去年到現在多次在委員會都有提到這個議題部長現在有可能他們掛一個叫做騰式的一個品牌會到臺灣來我想這個是一個很重要的一個政治的一個政策的一個破口甚至一個治安的一個漏洞部長我們交通部有沒有什麼樣的對策\n400408\t413895\t報告委員 這個部分其實第一關應該會是在經濟部經濟部對於這個產地的部分他們應該會做一定的把關那第二部才會到我們交通部來第二部的部分是不是請局長也說明一下\n414457\t435238\t各位報告這個部分的話就是說第一個部分他要先這個入關那入關的部分大概這個經濟部跟財政部在這個就不能整車整車的部分嘛那另外一個部分的話那到國內來他就必須要申請這個安全審驗跟這個耗能還有環境部的這個噪音這些等等的部分那後\n435839\t450151\t半段的部分那就會有我們這三個部分來負責這個把關只要現在的設計基本上就是說前面一定要取得這個經濟部的這一個許可的一個證明才能進到後半段這邊來我想這我們也要請專業跨部會來一起來處理這個事情這我們會再緊盯這個相關的\n454514\t481460\t那部長我想昨天我在院會我也特別質詢了部長跟您因為我們擔心未來這個財化法的一個讓我們交通部的預算大幅的減少那對於屏東來講包含高鐵捷運這個屏南快速道路這些重大的交通建設我們擔心進度受影響甚至這個對於這個縣市政府的補助也會受到衝擊部長這邊你能不能公開承諾對於未來對於屏東縣的交通建設給予最大力的支持\n482260\t506287\t報告委員對於捷運系統來說的話兩方面是未來我們的評估標準一方面是我們看縣市政府的財政的狀況例如說這次統籌分配款已經分到很多的縣市他的財政已經到一級的這個部分我們給予的補助大概就會很少但是財政比較不好的我們就給多一些我們少40而已是這一方面所以我們會考量到\n506607\t525428\t第二方面是我們要考量說捷運的進展的程度像雙北來說它的捷運的進展已經非常的超前了那這個部分我們大概就不會用太大的力氣或太大的資源去協助但是對於捷運相對落後的地方例如說台中 台南 高雄\n525808\t550987\t甚至是您所在的縣市屏東這些是捷運相對落後的縣市我們會比較優先來補助我們會盡量來協助不過也跟委員報告一件事透過財化法的劃分之後其實中央能夠協助地方來補助的力道一定比過去小很多因為我們的資源也少了所以我們能夠協助的力道也比較小不過我們有限的資源之下我跟委員報告就是剛剛的那兩點\n552168\t566307\t一個是財政的狀態地方政府的財政的狀態他是第幾級那第二個就是說捷運過去已經拿很多補助的就少了啦那過去比較少補助的我們就希望多一點協助以上跟我們報告\n567188\t582303\t部長我想這個後續我們還有很多時間那我也會邀請我們相關的單位 針對這幾個交通建設我們要盯緊進度啦 希望你不讓我們變成這個交通到位我們怎麼樣均衡台灣 怎麼樣發展產業我想這個對我們也不盡公平\n583024\t604333\t那最后我想针对这个国旅的部分跟国外的旅游的部分我想我们还是期待这个国旅的部分要下盟要那尤其怎么样让观光客能够回流到南部能够让更多的这个国外的客人也要还是台湾的国旅能够对屏东的观光有注意我想这个请观光署要加强这个力道了好这个我们要努力谢谢好谢谢委员\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請我們陳部長台鐵政董事長跟高鐵施董事長施哲董事長部長兩位董事長早安我想我今天先讓大家看一個畫面\n這個畫面這個我9月26號我跟我們恆春的潘芳泉議員帶了一群志工我們到花蓮的光復鄉帶了很多的物資還有一些身心的食材我想我們去關心我們這一次受災的一個災民那也去協助一些救災的工作那到晚上我們到光復站去搭\n鐵路火車要回去的時候 才發現我們台鐵公司很貼心因為當時光復火車站前面 附近都是重災區當然那時候附近幾乎都沒有店家在賣吃的東西那當然當時我們慈濟還有幾個這個熱心的一個鄉親\n他們在附近有提供的殘車但是那不夠應付因為這整天都很多我們的殘職超人在那邊協助所以我想我們很貼心看到台鐵公司提供的礦泉水跟麵包讓大家這個讓辛苦的這個殘職超人能夠先衝擊然後先止渴這要給大家台鐵公司的同仁感謝這也是我們向台鐵公司的同仁\n在這樣的一個默默的一個做這些事情應該值得被肯定鼓勵這補充要跟當事人要給我們的基層同仁鼓勵那尤其我自己發現因為當時大家人穿雨鞋甚至廁所那個使用頻率非常的高我們火車站的同仁不畏辛苦這樣一直在拚手真的非常非常的感動我想這也是我們臺灣最美的風景之一啦真的給大家昆仁到額了感謝不過我還是要提醒\n因為我們除了今年這個幾個廉價之外明年預估會有9個大的廉價我想未來對這個整個陸海空交通運輸的一個這個衝擊也好或者是營運的一個狀況也好是我們交通部很大的一個挑戰我想保定跟兩位董事長有沒有信心面臨我們未來越來越多的一個廉價的一個交通運輸的一個需求\n報告委員 這個部分我們其實過去也很有輸運的經驗那明年的假期其實可能是非常的多因為大院通過的這個假期的這個法令讓假期廉價變多那明年我們一方面透過AI的系統跟過去的經驗大家累積起來用大數據去統計大概會能夠預估的到運量大概走到什麼樣的狀況我們會預先做準備有足夠的車輛\n有足夠的人力有足夠的資源並且在應變的部分我們也會做好準備包含我們的運具聯防運具之間的互相幫忙這個部分對我們來說是相當的重要另外如果我們預估到說在雙鐵的人數特別多的時候我們也會鼓勵大家透過公路的客運也就是國道客運所以委員應該有觀察到我們最近幾次的打折\n一般的廉價我們打八五折但像中秋節我們就打到六折交通部用補貼的方式鼓勵大家分散運具的方式來做返鄉或者是出遊我們希望能夠讓大家都能夠不要太擁擠不要太擁塞那其實交通部各個部門我們對於數據的掌握都相當的重視那我們也不斷在驗證我們數據的精準度那這個部分我們持續努力希望能夠做好\n部長 當然我知道你們有一定有所謂的一個應變計畫但是有時候計畫趕不上變化 有時候突然遇到這個班機可能delay或者是這個航班也可能會受到影響 甚至公路大太扯的情形 怎麼樣應變緊急調度這部分我想這也是我們明年這個那麼多廉價很重要的一個挑戰大家總是希望快快樂樂出門 平平安安回家 最重要不要太久 太久的時間 這樣大家受不了\n我想這應該是大家共同面對的挑戰那尤其我想現在我因為我常常幾乎每天都坐高鐵跟台鐵我想我們現在推的這個民進車廂是一個很好的政策但是我有跟董事長提過因為畢竟這個要還是一段時間的磨合那我們的這個在車上的這個服務的人員真的很辛苦也要我想也應該要鼓勵他們有時候要善意的提醒因為畢竟這個是一個好的政策我們也希望能夠推下去董事長有沒有什麼樣的想法\n我想這個就是剛才部長講的我們運劇聯訪裡面是非常重要的而且整個情況都會再一直來變譬如這一次光復我們剛才光復的時候以前都一天大概一天一千多人一下子來了三四萬人那這個時候我們的整個動線還有我們\n同仁的資源從北部從各個地方下去支援都很快速所以這個就是剛才部長講的我們隨時機動來調整我們的資源我們會朝這方面然後跟台鐵這邊尤其我們在西部走廊裡面台鐵現在也是軟板模範那高鐵那台鐵的話我們現在也是全力的來來支援我們尖峰時段可能SLOT沒有我們大概次尖峰我們會加班然後提早讓客人來預訂那這樣的話也可以紓解\n這樣的一個情況是不是施董事長也回答一下謝謝委員的關心我想鄰近車廂的部分感謝國人同胞事實上到目前為止9月20號事件我想大部分其實都是相當良好的配合而且大家也都普遍支持這個政策那同時也沉入委員說的我們車務上的同仁在執行上\n我們也是提醒大家能夠用善意來這個勸導目前整體的狀況來講我們平均每一班列車坦白講這個勸導的案件都是零星的案件所以我想整體這個如果能夠在未來的三到六個月把整個狀況穩定下來我想它未來可以成為臺灣代表文明指標一個很好的案例 謝謝謝謝董事長辛苦了謝謝 另外董事長請回\n部長我想另外一個我們要特別重視的一個就是現在比亞迪這個摩拳擦掌要登陸臺灣那我記得我去年到現在多次在委員會都有提到這個議題部長現在有可能他們掛一個叫做騰式的一個品牌會到臺灣來我想這個是一個很重要的一個政治的一個政策的一個破口甚至一個治安的一個漏洞部長我們交通部有沒有什麼樣的對策\n報告委員 這個部分其實第一關應該會是在經濟部經濟部對於這個產地的部分他們應該會做一定的把關那第二部才會到我們交通部來第二部的部分是不是請局長也說明一下\n各位報告這個部分的話就是說第一個部分他要先這個入關那入關的部分大概這個經濟部跟財政部在這個就不能整車整車的部分嘛那另外一個部分的話那到國內來他就必須要申請這個安全審驗跟這個耗能還有環境部的這個噪音這些等等的部分那後\n半段的部分那就會有我們這三個部分來負責這個把關只要現在的設計基本上就是說前面一定要取得這個經濟部的這一個許可的一個證明才能進到後半段這邊來我想這我們也要請專業跨部會來一起來處理這個事情這我們會再緊盯這個相關的\n那部長我想昨天我在院會我也特別質詢了部長跟您因為我們擔心未來這個財化法的一個讓我們交通部的預算大幅的減少那對於屏東來講包含高鐵捷運這個屏南快速道路這些重大的交通建設我們擔心進度受影響甚至這個對於這個縣市政府的補助也會受到衝擊部長這邊你能不能公開承諾對於未來對於屏東縣的交通建設給予最大力的支持\n報告委員對於捷運系統來說的話兩方面是未來我們的評估標準一方面是我們看縣市政府的財政的狀況例如說這次統籌分配款已經分到很多的縣市他的財政已經到一級的這個部分我們給予的補助大概就會很少但是財政比較不好的我們就給多一些我們少40而已是這一方面所以我們會考量到\n第二方面是我們要考量說捷運的進展的程度像雙北來說它的捷運的進展已經非常的超前了那這個部分我們大概就不會用太大的力氣或太大的資源去協助但是對於捷運相對落後的地方例如說台中 台南 高雄\n甚至是您所在的縣市屏東這些是捷運相對落後的縣市我們會比較優先來補助我們會盡量來協助不過也跟委員報告一件事透過財化法的劃分之後其實中央能夠協助地方來補助的力道一定比過去小很多因為我們的資源也少了所以我們能夠協助的力道也比較小不過我們有限的資源之下我跟委員報告就是剛剛的那兩點\n一個是財政的狀態地方政府的財政的狀態他是第幾級那第二個就是說捷運過去已經拿很多補助的就少了啦那過去比較少補助的我們就希望多一點協助以上跟我們報告\n部長我想這個後續我們還有很多時間那我也會邀請我們相關的單位 針對這幾個交通建設我們要盯緊進度啦 希望你不讓我們變成這個交通到位我們怎麼樣均衡台灣 怎麼樣發展產業我想這個對我們也不盡公平\n那最后我想针对这个国旅的部分跟国外的旅游的部分我想我们还是期待这个国旅的部分要下盟要那尤其怎么样让观光客能够回流到南部能够让更多的这个国外的客人也要还是台湾的国旅能够对屏东的观光有注意我想这个请观光署要加强这个力道了好这个我们要努力谢谢好谢谢委员\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.091 --> 00:12.318\n謝謝主席有請我們陳部長台鐵政董事長跟高鐵施董事長施哲董事長部長兩位董事長早安我想我今天先讓大家看一個畫面\n\n00:29.497 --> 00:51.047\n這個畫面這個我9月26號我跟我們恆春的潘芳泉議員帶了一群志工我們到花蓮的光復鄉帶了很多的物資還有一些身心的食材我想我們去關心我們這一次受災的一個災民那也去協助一些救災的工作那到晚上我們到光復站去搭\n\n00:52.147 --> 01:08.193\n鐵路火車要回去的時候才發現我們台鐵公司很貼心因為當時光復火車站前面附近都是重災區當然那時候附近幾乎都沒有店家在賣吃的東西那當然當時我們慈濟還有幾個這個熱心的一個鄉親\n\n01:12.154 --> 01:37.288\n他們在附近有提供的殘車但是那不夠應付因為這整天都很多我們的殘職超人在那邊協助所以我想我們很貼心看到台鐵公司提供的礦泉水跟麵包讓大家這個讓辛苦的這個殘職超人能夠先衝擊然後先止渴這要給大家台鐵公司的同仁感謝這也是我們向台鐵公司的同仁\n\n01:37.988 --> 02:04.987\n在這樣的一個默默的一個做這些事情應該值得被肯定鼓勵這補充要跟當事人要給我們的基層同仁鼓勵那尤其我自己發現因為當時大家人穿雨鞋甚至廁所那個使用頻率非常的高我們火車站的同仁不畏辛苦這樣一直在拚手真的非常非常的感動我想這也是我們臺灣最美的風景之一啦真的給大家昆仁到額了感謝不過我還是要提醒\n\n02:05.487 --> 02:27.739\n因為我們除了今年這個幾個廉價之外明年預估會有9個大的廉價我想未來對這個整個陸海空交通運輸的一個這個衝擊也好或者是營運的一個狀況也好是我們交通部很大的一個挑戰我想保定跟兩位董事長有沒有信心面臨我們未來越來越多的一個廉價的一個交通運輸的一個需求\n\n02:28.719 --> 02:55.114\n報告委員這個部分我們其實過去也很有輸運的經驗那明年的假期其實可能是非常的多因為大院通過的這個假期的這個法令讓假期廉價變多那明年我們一方面透過AI的系統跟過去的經驗大家累積起來用大數據去統計大概會能夠預估的到運量大概走到什麼樣的狀況我們會預先做準備有足夠的車輛\n\n02:56.055 --> 03:22.103\n有足夠的人力有足夠的資源並且在應變的部分我們也會做好準備包含我們的運具聯防運具之間的互相幫忙這個部分對我們來說是相當的重要另外如果我們預估到說在雙鐵的人數特別多的時候我們也會鼓勵大家透過公路的客運也就是國道客運所以委員應該有觀察到我們最近幾次的打折\n\n03:22.983 --> 03:46.463\n一般的廉價我們打八五折但像中秋節我們就打到六折交通部用補貼的方式鼓勵大家分散運具的方式來做返鄉或者是出遊我們希望能夠讓大家都能夠不要太擁擠不要太擁塞那其實交通部各個部門我們對於數據的掌握都相當的重視那我們也不斷在驗證我們數據的精準度那這個部分我們持續努力希望能夠做好\n\n03:47.243 --> 04:15.504\n部長當然我知道你們有一定有所謂的一個應變計畫但是有時候計畫趕不上變化有時候突然遇到這個班機可能delay或者是這個航班也可能會受到影響甚至公路大太扯的情形怎麼樣應變緊急調度這部分我想這也是我們明年這個那麼多廉價很重要的一個挑戰大家總是希望快快樂樂出門平平安安回家最重要不要太久太久的時間這樣大家受不了\n\n04:16.104 --> 04:45.030\n我想這應該是大家共同面對的挑戰那尤其我想現在我因為我常常幾乎每天都坐高鐵跟台鐵我想我們現在推的這個民進車廂是一個很好的政策但是我有跟董事長提過因為畢竟這個要還是一段時間的磨合那我們的這個在車上的這個服務的人員真的很辛苦也要我想也應該要鼓勵他們有時候要善意的提醒因為畢竟這個是一個好的政策我們也希望能夠推下去董事長有沒有什麼樣的想法\n\n04:45.697 --> 05:00.842\n我想這個就是剛才部長講的我們運劇聯訪裡面是非常重要的而且整個情況都會再一直來變譬如這一次光復我們剛才光復的時候以前都一天大概一天一千多人一下子來了三四萬人那這個時候我們的整個動線還有我們\n\n05:03.223 --> 05:29.569\n同仁的資源從北部從各個地方下去支援都很快速所以這個就是剛才部長講的我們隨時機動來調整我們的資源我們會朝這方面然後跟台鐵這邊尤其我們在西部走廊裡面台鐵現在也是軟板模範那高鐵那台鐵的話我們現在也是全力的來來支援我們尖峰時段可能SLOT沒有我們大概次尖峰我們會加班然後提早讓客人來預訂那這樣的話也可以紓解\n\n05:32.550 --> 05:50.897\n這樣的一個情況是不是施董事長也回答一下謝謝委員的關心我想鄰近車廂的部分感謝國人同胞事實上到目前為止9月20號事件我想大部分其實都是相當良好的配合而且大家也都普遍支持這個政策那同時也沉入委員說的我們車務上的同仁在執行上\n\n05:51.377 --> 06:12.399\n我們也是提醒大家能夠用善意來這個勸導目前整體的狀況來講我們平均每一班列車坦白講這個勸導的案件都是零星的案件所以我想整體這個如果能夠在未來的三到六個月把整個狀況穩定下來我想它未來可以成為臺灣代表文明指標一個很好的案例謝謝謝謝董事長辛苦了謝謝另外董事長請回\n\n06:13.420 --> 06:38.942\n部長我想另外一個我們要特別重視的一個就是現在比亞迪這個摩拳擦掌要登陸臺灣那我記得我去年到現在多次在委員會都有提到這個議題部長現在有可能他們掛一個叫做騰式的一個品牌會到臺灣來我想這個是一個很重要的一個政治的一個政策的一個破口甚至一個治安的一個漏洞部長我們交通部有沒有什麼樣的對策\n\n06:40.408 --> 06:53.895\n報告委員這個部分其實第一關應該會是在經濟部經濟部對於這個產地的部分他們應該會做一定的把關那第二部才會到我們交通部來第二部的部分是不是請局長也說明一下\n\n06:54.457 --> 07:15.238\n各位報告這個部分的話就是說第一個部分他要先這個入關那入關的部分大概這個經濟部跟財政部在這個就不能整車整車的部分嘛那另外一個部分的話那到國內來他就必須要申請這個安全審驗跟這個耗能還有環境部的這個噪音這些等等的部分那後\n\n07:15.839 --> 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