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00:01:06,797\n沒有明確的那經濟部有收到日商這樣的建議然後再研議可能因應方式嗎我有看到這樣的報導只是說當初事實上之前因為這個只是汽車零組件嘛汽車零組件如果便宜進來的話我們台灣的這個組裝業者汽車的組裝業者或是我們國產的組裝業者成本可以降低\n\n4\n00:01:07,697 --> 00:01:36,715\n那如果可以回饋消費者這個是我們當初那所以意思就意思就是說部長你是持一個比較正面態度啦那有兩件事情啦我先講完有兩件事情您可能要這個稍微思考也要回復一下第一件事情就是其實以前在2019年的時候立法院就曾經討論過就討論過林組建關稅下降問題但是當時沒有做成決議是因為大家考量到希望製造商就您剛剛講的\n\n5\n00:01:37,575 --> 00:01:54,631\n製造商會受獲益嘛那他有沒有辦法回饋回饋給員工或者消費者嘛譬如說幫員工加薪然後或者是汽車整體的價格降低那目前如果您是正面看待這個事的話那你會考慮跟汽車業者去溝通嗎因為2019年那時候\n\n6\n00:01:57,116 --> 00:02:25,468\n汽車業者沒有很明確的表達回饋給消費者跟員工所以那個後來我們就沒有我知道我是現在問說如果接下來如果日本提出這樣要求然後你也有正面的看待所以接下來會跟汽車廠商去談嗎我們會評估整個台灣的這個汽車業還有汽車領主業整個發展另外我們也會跟汽車業者去談好這是第一件事第二件事因為\n\n7\n00:02:26,656 --> 00:02:38,852\n九項汽車零組件其實台灣也有人在生產所以如果關稅下降也會對他們造成影響這個衝擊你有評估嗎所以我們這個要一併評估我剛剛跟有人報告不能只是這個組裝廠來做評估而已那財政部態度呢\n\n8\n00:02:41,656 --> 00:03:04,403\n因為上一次之前是有評估過如果這樣做的話我們的稅收會增加啦所以財政部態度咧對是如果委員所說之前有提過也就是剛剛講過這必須如果要降的話也要把相關的降稅的利益回饋給消費者同時對於產業的影響都要做整體的評估所以您的態度是一樣我們跟經濟部可以一起合作好謝謝那接下來請那個教育部長好謝謝\n\n9\n00:03:10,643 --> 00:03:12,126\n可以幫我時間暫停一下教育部長\n\n10\n00:03:22,282 --> 00:03:43,095\n部長請教一下當然教育的預算我們也都支持但是我們還是想要離期幾件問題第一個這次特別預算因為特別預算通常是因應比較特殊狀況才會編特別預算否則就在年度預算這一次特別預算通通是挹注在高校但是像國民教育也有很多任性的問題譬如說現在缺老師\n\n11\n00:03:44,136 --> 00:04:05,292\n然後那老師的薪水能不能增加或待遇導師費行政費各方面那為什麼你沒有編列特別預算在國教這塊跟我們報告第一個國教那個部分事實上我們內部也有在沒有我說特別預算特別預算因為你這些特別預算全部預注在高教主要就是考慮到這個國際局勢裡面對高等教育的一些衝擊國際局勢會對各種教育有衝擊啊\n\n12\n00:04:14,665 --> 00:04:37,502\n國教的一個部分我們已經內部會有一個不是啦為什麼沒有編特別預算在國教因為我們想要照標準嘛你說如果是國際情勢影響一定高教國教都有啊國家的一個整體的一個這個財政的一個結構我們當然會希望在整個政府的一個各部會的一個這一個團隊裡面我真的非常好奇我覺得如果要講任性的話國教其實\n\n13\n00:04:38,403 --> 00:05:01,111\n現在問題也有一些啦委員所關心的我們國教我們從來沒有這個前所對它的支持那我針對一個部分跟你請教啦因為你這個特別預算裡面有一個是65億啊是是直接補助給學校然後讓學校來運用嘛是但是學校有兩個條件第一個三年不能漲學費第二個補助的金額裡面5%要用在低收入戶中低收入戶或者是\n\n14\n00:05:02,171 --> 00:05:25,737\n因此次國際局勢影響而遭逢生活變故的學生我就請教一下細節要怎麼認定他是不是因為這次國際局勢影響而且遭逢生活變故我們訂定這樣一個補助辦法也跟大學段的校長都討論過他們會去他們會已經第二個低收入戶中低收入戶平常就有補助了嘛\n\n15\n00:05:26,857 --> 00:05:38,764\n那請問一下這個是額外的還是他可以領兩份是額外的因為他可能衝擊到學校的治理好謝謝足球哥再給我一分鐘30秒請內政部長謝謝委員關心請劉部長請30秒謝謝\n\n16\n00:05:58,288 --> 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