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00:02:16,851\n現在一出來是什麼台北寧夏夜市整個生意都毀了第二個阿中麵線每天多少賣多少的所謂的你知道嗎這件事情不釐清讓所有的市民人民感覺恐慌我覺得這件事情很嚴重所以你還不知道多少包委我們現在目前的封存產品是總共有12604公斤下架是2430代銷毀所以被吃下肚有多少\n\n8\n00:02:22,369 --> 00:02:39,619\n包委員我們現在目前在清查當中在清查當中大概一萬公斤啦好啦重點是我想問一下農業部這個公司他在屏東的台旭公司的屠宰場裡面租了一個場地這件事情農業不知道嗎\n\n9\n00:02:41,365 --> 00:02:58,031\n我們了解是所有的這些被查獲的內臟都是合格的都有經過正式的衛生圖案在他的場地裡面是合格的出來的不就不合格了那到底原因在哪裡今天台旭公司租給他他在這邊清洗然後沒有人知道是嗎\n\n10\n00:02:59,399 --> 00:03:12,624\n農業部查了之後現場有沒有看到工業用的雙氧水他帶隊去看的話所有的這些土體包括內臟都是有合格標章的所以他在外面亂洗還是在這裡洗不知道他在哪裡洗的\n\n11\n00:03:17,478 --> 00:03:38,261\n他是不是在這個場地起的百威是一個食品公司不是在屠宰場裡面的好他在外面他在這邊租場地他所有的內臟他說來自於台續公司然後他的販賣場所製作場所他在你們的登錄平台裡面衛福部登錄平台裡面全部都是在屏東台續公司的場所你們有看到他有其他的場所嗎\n\n12\n00:03:40,868 --> 00:04:03,427\n沒有不知道我想跟委員報告部長我要說的是源頭衛福部叫做後面啦你們叫做源頭啦如果源頭都不知道的話他後面怎麼查都沒用今天他在台訊公司台訊公司發了一個新聞稿說跟他沒關係所以全台灣的人都不知道跟誰有關係農業部要去知道跟誰有關係啊\n\n13\n00:04:04,668 --> 00:04:32,860\n部長這部分是不是可以短期內盡速調查清楚他到底在哪裡洗是不是在這裡洗在這裡洗台序公司就不能說他不知道啊我想我們會跟衛福部但是我要跟委員報告就是我們負責是屠宰黨屠宰端那屠宰出來以後他是進到食品端的部分雖然說他的場地是在屠宰黨租的但是不能說租的就是食品端但是我們會跟衛福部一起我們跟衛福部一起我要說的是\n\n14\n00:04:33,760 --> 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