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00:00:07,273\n好謝謝主席我請法務部長部長委員長\n\n2\n00:00:12,298 --> 00:00:35,660\n好部長早剛才吳思耀委員特別詢問您有關於就是像這個所謂的政治狗仔那麼對於公眾人物或者是對於政治人物他的這個跟拍那您剛剛講說這個會違法違反刑法第315條嗎\n\n3\n00:00:39,270 --> 00:01:00,904\n這個要看個案但是因為如果說這個他的行為有觸及到違反哪一條新法315-1你要不要念一下315-1的條文是什麼當然315-1他最主要是還是在一定要界定在跟拍他如果說有非公開的這些的私人的活動\n\n4\n00:01:02,245 --> 00:01:16,181\n會公開用公職設備去確定確認確認因為那個部長故意斷章取義來315-1條有下列行為之一者處三年以下有期徒刑拘役或三十萬以下\n\n5\n00:01:17,022 --> 00:01:18,923\n所以他這個法律的意旨非常清楚的就是無故\n\n6\n00:01:45,299 --> 00:02:12,535\n就是你今天呢只是沒有任何的原因然後去故意來拍攝他或竊聽他而且是非公開那我要講的說其實我們在這一陣子非常明顯的來自於民進黨中央廚房的黨檢媒這次很多的所謂的爆料也是來自於部長口中的淨檢\n\n7\n00:02:15,036 --> 00:02:30,704\n那麼這裡面非常明顯的事實上呢是要利用打擊這個所謂的這個一般大家講所謂的政治狗仔但是我們也可以看到現在很多所謂披露的披露的相關的訊息\n\n8\n00:02:32,625 --> 00:02:51,292\n這個完全跟公共利益無關嗎完全跟利益無關嗎第一個我當然講到跟我自己爆料有關的就是潘孟安先生因為當時我質疑他的是他住的地點是光電業者的董事長的房子\n\n9\n00:02:51,852 --> 00:03:17,003\n而這個光電業者跟他在當時他擔任屏東縣長任內他核准的光電業者就是他核准的光電業者所以這稱之為無故嗎難道即便他當時當時他沒有行政的責任但是他是賴清德總統最重要的競選左右手\n\n10\n00:03:17,623 --> 00:03:33,910\n所以這是無故嗎好再來後來呢有一些披露的譬如說也就是監察院副院長李俊逸喔對不起秘書長李俊逸他利用就是濫用公務車濫用公務車那後來他因此而請辭下台沒有錯這也是政治狗仔所提供的\n\n11\n00:03:41,974 --> 00:03:49,238\n但是請問一下它跟公共利益無關嗎如果無關的話請問李靜怡為何還要請辭已失負責而且後來監察院他們也組成了相關的調查小組那我要舉的這些例子其實很多在過去很多所謂的你認為是政治狗仔所以政治狗仔真的是這樣的罪無可赦嗎\n\n12\n00:04:12,540 --> 00:04:38,507\n我有講過若我個人我自己身為公眾人物我相信沒有一個人希望被公拍開沒有一個人希望被跟拍對不對一定是這樣子的但是有的時候我們看到不管是媒體也好狗仔也好利用了這樣的手段作為另外一種監督公眾人物特別是\n\n13\n00:04:39,247 --> 00:04:52,693\n特別是行政首長的言行而他確實涉及公共利益所以今天如果我們要一窩蜂想要用法律上完全的杜絕完全的打壓完全的禁止\n\n14\n00:04:53,720 --> 00:05:13,873\n其實某一個程度事實上就是閒置了閒置要烏住民眾的眼睛所以我要特別講到這樣的一個狀況我覺得現在可以看得出來民進黨顯然用腥風血雨的方式來做政治爭訪跟政治鬥爭接下來部長我想請教你一個其實最近很多人在關心跟討論的議題\n\n15\n00:05:24,180 --> 00:05:46,551\n就是呢對於這個遺產部分的廢除兄弟姐妹的特留份那最近這個議題呢被討論的很多那麼而且呢在網路上已經有超過6700人來連署復議那我看到法務部也有一些回應\n\n16\n00:05:48,010 --> 00:06:10,801\n好像法務部現在也在做相關的研究這個大概必須要去修正民法因為很多人都認為說第一個就是現在的家庭的型態跟過去的家庭型態真的比較不一樣了我看到我們黃市長一直在點頭\n\n17\n00:06:12,182 --> 00:06:28,229\n就是過去的可能就是大家庭兄弟姊妹大家互相扶持互相照顧但是現在的社會其實有些兄弟姊妹不一定感情很好可能感情不好有的還反目成仇那所以呢就是現在討論就是說\n\n18\n00:06:30,530 --> 00:06:53,957\n如果尤其沒有子女者他的遺產一定要給兄弟姊妹特留份第一個違反了自己個人的意志另外一個就是跟現在的家庭形態跟社會的結構也不符合所以我想請問一下因為我剛才特別看你們的修法\n\n19\n00:06:55,517 --> 00:07:14,387\n你們就是今年的立法計畫可是好像並沒有把這個部分納入我不曉得所以可不可以請部長回應一下有關於現在大家這高度熱議的就是廢除兄弟姐妹特留份你們現在的態度是什麼你們的進度是什麼\n\n20\n00:07:15,168 --> 00:07:29,547\n好謝謝四位委員的確這個是在公共政策及公共網路參與平台這是由民眾來提出來的那這個當然是有遺囑自由說北京人他想要給誰多少\n\n21\n00:07:30,188 --> 00:07:57,305\n是不是有特留份那是特留份現在是三分之一是不是要四分之五分之一或者全部都不給那這個都是可以討論的那現在我們這個議題我們已經納入我們本部有一個委託研究案一個研究案來當做一個裡面的一個研究的一個範圍那我想這個還是要管他意見因為意見很多分層那我想我們去追求一個\n\n22\n00:07:58,826 --> 00:08:04,767\n我們再來做一個把這些研究案的結論再來做一個修法的一個參考過去曾經提起而且也過去曾經要提出修法只是後來跨界不連續105年那時候對也就終止了可見這個議題已經是在很多年前就已經被提起所以既然現在這麼多人在討論高度的熱議是不是可以就是說你們可以列入今年的修法的一個方向\n\n23\n00:08:27,131 --> 00:08:52,540\n或者是明年上半年的一個修法方向因為這也是我們是把納入一個研究案就是因應高齡化社會檢討修正民法繼承篇的一個研究案我們把它當作一個很重要的一個議題我知道啦我知道你們現在當作一個很重要的一個修法我們當然是盡快因為其實民眾也非常關心這件事情那我們就等學者的專家來做一個研究因為我想這個還要廣大意見\n\n24\n00:08:53,536 --> 00:09:21,156\n是但是我希望這個時間可不可以因為這個不是一個完全新的議題我剛剛講這部分的研究案的時間我是不是請市長來可以可以是謝謝委員垂詢我們在今年四月份的時候就已經委託研究了那委託研究的成果報告是在今年的年底12月底前會提出那我們在最近這幾個月底都在收集外國立法例那我們是希望說在明年年初我們就啟動修法的工程\n\n25\n00:09:21,796 --> 00:09:49,593\n明年年初就會啟動了但是這個這個議案呢因為意見非常的分歧喔有人認為兄弟姊妹是反目成仇的但是有人認為兄弟姊妹是感情深厚的所以這個問題影響很大這為什麼就是說要有那個他要有遺產自由就是如果我真的覺得我跟哪個兄弟姊妹感情很好而且甚至呢他都有照顧我的家裡照顧我的身體什麼的等等之類的那\n\n26\n00:09:50,293 --> 00:10:09,728\n那我就是在遺產裡面直接在遺珠裡面我全部都給他都可以啊但現在問題是我根本就跟也許跟兄弟姊妹感情很冷漠我可能更跟某一個朋友或某一個教會某一個協會某一個公益團體我覺得我跟他感情更深厚\n\n27\n00:10:10,936 --> 00:10:32,807\n那反而我對不起我就是一定要有個特留分所以我知道這個因為他實施時間非常非常長所以我至少很高興聽到你們願意在明年初來啟動修法至少讓大家知道就是說你們要有這個修法的進度要修不修要怎麼修就像剛才部長講的\n\n28\n00:10:34,289 --> 00:10:43,545\n是全部都不留呢還是這個特留份的這個比例把它整個的降低我希望在明年初可以有更具體的一個進度好不好\n\n29\n00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,641\n另外部長我們一直在講打詐打詐因為時間關係今年來單月的被詐騙金額仍然居高不下根本沒有改善的狀況但是我要特別講到\n\n30\n00:11:06,889 --> 00:11:10,091\n我們一直在講就是說最近常常在討論就是什麼樣的案件應該被羈押什麼樣的案件應該被交保什麼樣的案件它的交保金額是多少我們雖然不是檢察官我們雖然不是法官但是我們總是會做一些比較以及社會觀感\n\n31\n00:11:26,718 --> 00:11:43,688\n那我要講的就是呢那最近呢發生一個事情啊就是呢這個集團他也是前三立集團的一個媒體那他呢現在他被迫獲的是他\n\n32\n00:11:44,568 --> 00:12:00,073\n接受詐騙集團成立一個台灣網路行銷公司而且假冒揮達執行長黃仁勳成立了一個代操外匯的粉專這個就是當時我們要求一定要杜絕一定要杜絕而且深惡痛絕的\n\n33\n00:12:01,693 --> 00:12:04,136\n那當然這個事情呢後來意外爆發出案外案就是他除了幫這個詐騙集團來做這個一個假的黃仁勳的代鈔外匯粉專之外呢他呢還其實呢是往軍投\n\n34\n00:12:20,416 --> 00:12:41,172\n旗下有7000多個帳號在上一次的立委選舉裡面幫助現在陶琴董事長的趙振宇來抹黑他的對手邱若驊所以這是兩個案子那我要講的是當然每次政治的案子你們\n\n35\n00:12:42,475 --> 00:13:10,840\n部長大概回答千篇一律啦但是我現在要跟你討論的是詐騙因為他被逮捕被破獲是因為他是詐騙集團詐騙金額數千萬元交保交保金額20萬元部長我要講就是說像這樣一個案例這是最近發生的9月份發生案例交保金額20萬\n\n36\n00:13:13,086 --> 00:13:40,061\n你如何讓我們幸福今天我們司法單位真的有打詐的決心還是因為看到他竟然是幫著趙正宇在抹黑邱若驊因為這樣子而心存了一些忌憚所以給他交保金額才20萬當然其他的這些詐騙你看我列出很多都是跟詐騙相關的\n\n37\n00:13:43,564 --> 00:13:56,319\n交保金額15萬20萬部長這樣子的一個狀況你覺得社會大眾會認為我們司法單位真的有心要打仗嗎\n\n38\n00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:17,204\n我想每個案件的案情不一樣那剛才委員提到這個什麼五口青山這個已經收押已經裁壓了那我想因為還有證據上的問題證據上的問題當然是我們檢察官一個偵查計畫他不一定一開始就有辦法因為證據可能\n\n39\n00:14:18,664 --> 00:14:46,048\n你們每次都說很怕賺客串供可是你20萬先讓他交保啦每個案件那個不一樣那個串供的話當然一定我們又發現的確有串供的事實部長我在這邊特別指出所以當然跟委員會有關係那個詐欺的那部分我在檢察長會議我另外各種場合我們希望就是說對這些詐團要盡量要去案件要盡量去我是案件普遍性的要申請羈押要申請羈押\n\n40\n00:14:47,389 --> 00:15:15,151\n尤其是集團性的這部分我們當然是希望就是說要求檢察官這部分要盡量用羈押因為這不能再讓他在社會去流竄再騙更多的人所以說這個羈押的確是讓這些詐團能夠氣焰能夠給他一個重大的壓制的一個非常好的因為這樣才能辦出整個往向上溯源才有辦法去追求公辦\n\n41\n00:15:16,852 --> 00:15:45,384\n部長因為時間到了這個會期我們仍然會繼續的關注有關於打炸的問題打炸當然好多個環節只是我今天講出這個案例這個案例我一看我又覺得說這個是不是太扯了跟我們的社會觀感跟期待實在太遙遠個案我沒辦法去做一個處理但是我通案我會要求要求再整個一個加強我這邊列給你好幾個案子不是個案好幾個案子都是跟打炸相關但是呢\n\n42\n00:15:46,685 --> 00:15:49,848\n這個有的交保金額實在是少的可憐好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4827\t7273\t好 謝謝主席 我請法務部長部長委員長\n12298\t35660\t好 部長早剛才吳思耀委員特別詢問您有關於就是像這個所謂的政治狗仔那麼對於公眾人物或者是對於政治人物他的這個跟拍那您剛剛講說這個會違法違反刑法第315條嗎\n39270\t60904\t這個要看個案 但是因為如果說這個他的行為有觸及到違反哪一條 新法315-1你要不要念一下315-1的條文是什麼當然315-1他最主要是還是在一定要界定在跟拍他如果說有非公開的這些的私人的活動\n62245\t76181\t會公開用公職設備去確定確認確認因為那個部長故意斷章取義來315-1條有下列行為之一者處三年以下有期徒刑拘役或三十萬以下\n77022\t78923\t所以他這個法律的意旨非常清楚的就是無故\n105299\t132535\t就是你今天呢只是沒有任何的原因然後去故意來拍攝他或竊聽他而且是非公開那我要講的說其實我們在這一陣子非常明顯的來自於民進黨中央廚房的黨檢媒這次很多的所謂的爆料也是來自於部長口中的淨檢\n135036\t150704\t那麼這裡面非常明顯的事實上呢是要利用打擊這個所謂的這個一般大家講所謂的政治狗仔但是我們也可以看到現在很多所謂披露的披露的相關的訊息\n152625\t171292\t這個完全跟公共利益無關嗎完全跟利益無關嗎第一個我當然講到跟我自己爆料有關的就是潘孟安先生因為當時我質疑他的是他住的地點是光電業者的董事長的房子\n171852\t197003\t而這個光電業者跟他在當時他擔任屏東縣長任內他核准的光電業者就是他核准的光電業者所以這稱之為無故嗎難道即便他當時當時他沒有行政的責任但是他是賴清德總統最重要的競選左右手\n197623\t213910\t所以這是無故嗎 好 再來後來呢 有一些披露的 譬如說也就是監察院副院長李俊逸喔 對不起 秘書長李俊逸他利用 就是濫用公務車 濫用公務車那後來他因此而請辭下台沒有錯 這也是政治狗仔所提供的\n221974\t229238\t但是請問一下 它跟公共利益無關嗎如果無關的話 請問李靜怡為何還要請辭已失負責 而且後來監察院他們也組成了相關的調查小組那我要舉的這些例子其實很多在過去 很多所謂的 你認為是政治狗仔所以政治狗仔真的是這樣的罪無可赦嗎\n252540\t278507\t我有講過 若我個人 我自己身為公眾人物我相信沒有一個人希望被公拍開沒有一個人希望被跟拍對不對 一定是這樣子的但是 有的時候我們看到不管是媒體也好 狗仔也好利用了這樣的手段作為另外一種監督公眾人物 特別是\n279247\t292693\t特別是行政首長的言行而他確實涉及公共利益所以今天如果我們要一窩蜂想要用法律上完全的杜絕 完全的打壓完全的禁止\n293720\t313873\t其實某一個程度 事實上就是閒置了閒置 要烏住民眾的眼睛所以我要特別講到這樣的一個狀況我覺得現在可以看得出來民進黨顯然用腥風血雨的方式來做政治爭訪跟政治鬥爭接下來 部長我想請教你一個其實最近很多人在關心跟討論的議題\n324180\t346551\t就是呢對於這個遺產部分的廢除兄弟姐妹的特留份那最近這個議題呢被討論的很多那麼而且呢在網路上已經有超過6700人來連署復議那我看到法務部也有一些回應\n348010\t370801\t好像法務部現在也在做相關的研究這個大概必須要去修正民法因為很多人都認為說第一個就是現在的家庭的型態跟過去的家庭型態真的比較不一樣了我看到我們黃市長一直在點頭\n372182\t388229\t就是過去的可能就是大家庭兄弟姊妹大家互相扶持互相照顧但是現在的社會其實有些兄弟姊妹不一定感情很好可能感情不好有的還反目成仇那所以呢就是現在討論就是說\n390530\t413957\t如果尤其沒有子女者他的遺產一定要給兄弟姊妹特留份第一個違反了自己個人的意志另外一個就是跟現在的家庭形態跟社會的結構也不符合所以我想請問一下因為我剛才特別看你們的修法\n415517\t434387\t你們就是今年的立法計畫可是好像並沒有把這個部分納入我不曉得所以可不可以請部長回應一下有關於現在大家這高度熱議的就是廢除兄弟姐妹特留份你們現在的態度是什麼 你們的進度是什麼\n435168\t449547\t好 謝謝四位委員的確這個是在公共政策及公共網路參與平台這是由民眾來提出來的那這個當然是有遺囑自由說北京人他想要給誰多少\n450188\t477305\t是不是有特留份那是特留份現在是三分之一是不是要四分之五分之一或者全部都不給那這個都是可以討論的那現在我們這個議題我們已經納入我們本部有一個委託研究案一個研究案來當做一個裡面的一個研究的一個範圍那我想這個還是要管他意見因為意見很多 分層那我想我們去追求一個\n478826\t484767\t我們再來做一個把這些研究案的結論再來做一個修法的一個參考過去曾經提起而且也過去曾經要提出修法只是後來跨界不連續105年那時候對 也就終止了可見這個議題已經是在很多年前就已經被提起所以既然現在這麼多人在討論高度的熱議是不是可以就是說你們可以列入今年的修法的一個方向\n507131\t532540\t或者是明年上半年的一個修法方向因為這也是我們是把納入一個研究案就是因應高齡化社會檢討修正民法繼承篇的一個研究案我們把它當作一個很重要的一個議題我知道啦 我知道你們現在當作一個很重要的一個修法我們當然是盡快因為其實民眾也非常關心這件事情那我們就等學者的專家來做一個研究因為我想這個還要廣大意見\n533536\t561156\t是 但是我希望這個時間可不可以因為這個不是一個完全新的議題我剛剛講這部分的研究案的時間我是不是請市長來可以可以是 謝謝委員垂詢我們在今年四月份的時候就已經委託研究了那委託研究的成果報告是在今年的年底12月底前會提出那我們在最近這幾個月底都在收集外國立法例那我們是希望說在明年年初我們就啟動修法的工程\n561796\t589593\t明年年初就會啟動了 但是這個這個議案呢 因為意見非常的分歧喔有人認為兄弟姊妹是反目成仇的但是有人認為兄弟姊妹是感情深厚的所以這個問題影響很大這為什麼就是說要有那個他要有遺產自由就是如果我真的覺得我跟哪個兄弟姊妹感情很好 而且甚至呢他都有照顧我的家裡 照顧我的身體什麼的等等之類的 那\n590293\t609728\t那我就是在遺產裡面直接在遺珠裡面我全部都給他都可以啊但現在問題是我根本就跟也許跟兄弟姊妹感情很冷漠我可能更跟某一個朋友或某一個教會某一個協會某一個公益團體我覺得我跟他感情更深厚\n610936\t632807\t那反而我對不起我就是一定要有個特留分所以我知道這個因為他實施時間非常非常長所以我至少很高興聽到你們願意在明年初來啟動修法至少讓大家知道就是說你們要有這個修法的進度要修不修要怎麼修就像剛才部長講的\n634289\t643545\t是全部都不留呢還是這個特留份的這個比例把它整個的降低我希望在明年初可以有更具體的一個進度好不好\n644600\t646641\t另外部長 我們一直在講打詐打詐因為時間關係 今年來單月的被詐騙金額仍然居高不下根本沒有改善的狀況但是我要特別講到\n666889\t670091\t我們一直在講就是說最近常常在討論就是什麼樣的案件應該被羈押什麼樣的案件應該被交保什麼樣的案件它的交保金額是多少我們雖然不是檢察官我們雖然不是法官但是我們總是會做一些比較以及社會觀感\n686718\t703688\t那我要講的就是呢那最近呢發生一個事情啊就是呢這個集團他也是前三立集團的一個媒體那他呢現在他被迫獲的是他\n704568\t720073\t接受詐騙集團成立一個台灣網路行銷公司而且假冒揮達執行長黃仁勳成立了一個代操外匯的粉專這個就是當時我們要求一定要杜絕一定要杜絕而且深惡痛絕的\n721693\t724136\t那當然這個事情呢後來意外爆發出案外案就是他除了幫這個詐騙集團來做這個一個假的黃仁勳的代鈔外匯粉專之外呢他呢還其實呢是往軍投\n740416\t761172\t旗下有7000多個帳號在上一次的立委選舉裡面幫助現在陶琴董事長的趙振宇來抹黑他的對手邱若驊所以這是兩個案子那我要講的是當然每次政治的案子你們\n762475\t790840\t部長大概回答千篇一律啦但是我現在要跟你討論的是詐騙因為他被逮捕被破獲是因為他是詐騙集團詐騙金額數千萬元交保交保金額20萬元部長我要講就是說像這樣一個案例這是最近發生的9月份發生案例交保金額20萬\n793086\t820061\t你如何讓我們幸福今天我們司法單位真的有打詐的決心還是因為看到他竟然是幫著趙正宇在抹黑邱若驊因為這樣子而心存了一些忌憚所以給他交保金額才20萬當然其他的這些詐騙你看我列出很多都是跟詐騙相關的\n823564\t836319\t交保金額15萬 20萬部長這樣子的一個狀況 你覺得社會大眾會認為我們司法單位真的有心要打仗嗎\n838039\t857204\t我想每個案件的案情不一樣那剛才委員提到這個什麼五口青山這個已經收押 已經裁壓了那我想因為還有證據上的問題證據上的問題當然是我們檢察官一個偵查計畫他不一定一開始就有辦法因為證據可能\n858664\t886048\t你們每次都說很怕賺客串供可是你20萬先讓他交保啦每個案件那個不一樣那個串供的話當然一定我們又發現的確有串供的事實部長我在這邊特別指出所以當然跟委員會有關係那個詐欺的那部分我在檢察長會議我另外各種場合我們希望就是說對這些詐團要盡量要去案件要盡量去我是案件普遍性的要申請羈押要申請羈押\n887389\t915151\t尤其是集團性的這部分我們當然是希望就是說要求檢察官這部分要盡量用羈押因為這不能再讓他在社會去流竄再騙更多的人所以說這個羈押的確是讓這些詐團能夠氣焰能夠給他一個重大的壓制的一個非常好的因為這樣才能辦出整個往向上溯源才有辦法去追求公辦\n916852\t945384\t部長因為時間到了這個會期我們仍然會繼續的關注有關於打炸的問題打炸當然好多個環節只是我今天講出這個案例這個案例我一看我又覺得說這個是不是太扯了跟我們的社會觀感跟期待實在太遙遠個案我沒辦法去做一個處理但是我通案我會要求要求再整個一個加強我這邊列給你好幾個案子不是個案好幾個案子都是跟打炸相關但是呢\n946685\t949848\t這個有的交保金額實在是少的可憐好不好好謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我請法務部長部長委員長\n好 部長早剛才吳思耀委員特別詢問您有關於就是像這個所謂的政治狗仔那麼對於公眾人物或者是對於政治人物他的這個跟拍那您剛剛講說這個會違法違反刑法第315條嗎\n這個要看個案 但是因為如果說這個他的行為有觸及到違反哪一條 新法315-1你要不要念一下315-1的條文是什麼當然315-1他最主要是還是在一定要界定在跟拍他如果說有非公開的這些的私人的活動\n會公開用公職設備去確定確認確認因為那個部長故意斷章取義來315-1條有下列行為之一者處三年以下有期徒刑拘役或三十萬以下\n所以他這個法律的意旨非常清楚的就是無故\n就是你今天呢只是沒有任何的原因然後去故意來拍攝他或竊聽他而且是非公開那我要講的說其實我們在這一陣子非常明顯的來自於民進黨中央廚房的黨檢媒這次很多的所謂的爆料也是來自於部長口中的淨檢\n那麼這裡面非常明顯的事實上呢是要利用打擊這個所謂的這個一般大家講所謂的政治狗仔但是我們也可以看到現在很多所謂披露的披露的相關的訊息\n這個完全跟公共利益無關嗎完全跟利益無關嗎第一個我當然講到跟我自己爆料有關的就是潘孟安先生因為當時我質疑他的是他住的地點是光電業者的董事長的房子\n而這個光電業者跟他在當時他擔任屏東縣長任內他核准的光電業者就是他核准的光電業者所以這稱之為無故嗎難道即便他當時當時他沒有行政的責任但是他是賴清德總統最重要的競選左右手\n所以這是無故嗎 好 再來後來呢 有一些披露的 譬如說也就是監察院副院長李俊逸喔 對不起 秘書長李俊逸他利用 就是濫用公務車 濫用公務車那後來他因此而請辭下台沒有錯 這也是政治狗仔所提供的\n但是請問一下 它跟公共利益無關嗎如果無關的話 請問李靜怡為何還要請辭已失負責 而且後來監察院他們也組成了相關的調查小組那我要舉的這些例子其實很多在過去 很多所謂的 你認為是政治狗仔所以政治狗仔真的是這樣的罪無可赦嗎\n我有講過 若我個人 我自己身為公眾人物我相信沒有一個人希望被公拍開沒有一個人希望被跟拍對不對 一定是這樣子的但是 有的時候我們看到不管是媒體也好 狗仔也好利用了這樣的手段作為另外一種監督公眾人物 特別是\n特別是行政首長的言行而他確實涉及公共利益所以今天如果我們要一窩蜂想要用法律上完全的杜絕 完全的打壓完全的禁止\n其實某一個程度 事實上就是閒置了閒置 要烏住民眾的眼睛所以我要特別講到這樣的一個狀況我覺得現在可以看得出來民進黨顯然用腥風血雨的方式來做政治爭訪跟政治鬥爭接下來 部長我想請教你一個其實最近很多人在關心跟討論的議題\n就是呢對於這個遺產部分的廢除兄弟姐妹的特留份那最近這個議題呢被討論的很多那麼而且呢在網路上已經有超過6700人來連署復議那我看到法務部也有一些回應\n好像法務部現在也在做相關的研究這個大概必須要去修正民法因為很多人都認為說第一個就是現在的家庭的型態跟過去的家庭型態真的比較不一樣了我看到我們黃市長一直在點頭\n就是過去的可能就是大家庭兄弟姊妹大家互相扶持互相照顧但是現在的社會其實有些兄弟姊妹不一定感情很好可能感情不好有的還反目成仇那所以呢就是現在討論就是說\n如果尤其沒有子女者他的遺產一定要給兄弟姊妹特留份第一個違反了自己個人的意志另外一個就是跟現在的家庭形態跟社會的結構也不符合所以我想請問一下因為我剛才特別看你們的修法\n你們就是今年的立法計畫可是好像並沒有把這個部分納入我不曉得所以可不可以請部長回應一下有關於現在大家這高度熱議的就是廢除兄弟姐妹特留份你們現在的態度是什麼 你們的進度是什麼\n好 謝謝四位委員的確這個是在公共政策及公共網路參與平台這是由民眾來提出來的那這個當然是有遺囑自由說北京人他想要給誰多少\n是不是有特留份那是特留份現在是三分之一是不是要四分之五分之一或者全部都不給那這個都是可以討論的那現在我們這個議題我們已經納入我們本部有一個委託研究案一個研究案來當做一個裡面的一個研究的一個範圍那我想這個還是要管他意見因為意見很多 分層那我想我們去追求一個\n我們再來做一個把這些研究案的結論再來做一個修法的一個參考過去曾經提起而且也過去曾經要提出修法只是後來跨界不連續105年那時候對 也就終止了可見這個議題已經是在很多年前就已經被提起所以既然現在這麼多人在討論高度的熱議是不是可以就是說你們可以列入今年的修法的一個方向\n或者是明年上半年的一個修法方向因為這也是我們是把納入一個研究案就是因應高齡化社會檢討修正民法繼承篇的一個研究案我們把它當作一個很重要的一個議題我知道啦 我知道你們現在當作一個很重要的一個修法我們當然是盡快因為其實民眾也非常關心這件事情那我們就等學者的專家來做一個研究因為我想這個還要廣大意見\n是 但是我希望這個時間可不可以因為這個不是一個完全新的議題我剛剛講這部分的研究案的時間我是不是請市長來可以可以是 謝謝委員垂詢我們在今年四月份的時候就已經委託研究了那委託研究的成果報告是在今年的年底12月底前會提出那我們在最近這幾個月底都在收集外國立法例那我們是希望說在明年年初我們就啟動修法的工程\n明年年初就會啟動了 但是這個這個議案呢 因為意見非常的分歧喔有人認為兄弟姊妹是反目成仇的但是有人認為兄弟姊妹是感情深厚的所以這個問題影響很大這為什麼就是說要有那個他要有遺產自由就是如果我真的覺得我跟哪個兄弟姊妹感情很好 而且甚至呢他都有照顧我的家裡 照顧我的身體什麼的等等之類的 那\n那我就是在遺產裡面直接在遺珠裡面我全部都給他都可以啊但現在問題是我根本就跟也許跟兄弟姊妹感情很冷漠我可能更跟某一個朋友或某一個教會某一個協會某一個公益團體我覺得我跟他感情更深厚\n那反而我對不起我就是一定要有個特留分所以我知道這個因為他實施時間非常非常長所以我至少很高興聽到你們願意在明年初來啟動修法至少讓大家知道就是說你們要有這個修法的進度要修不修要怎麼修就像剛才部長講的\n是全部都不留呢還是這個特留份的這個比例把它整個的降低我希望在明年初可以有更具體的一個進度好不好\n另外部長 我們一直在講打詐打詐因為時間關係 今年來單月的被詐騙金額仍然居高不下根本沒有改善的狀況但是我要特別講到\n我們一直在講就是說最近常常在討論就是什麼樣的案件應該被羈押什麼樣的案件應該被交保什麼樣的案件它的交保金額是多少我們雖然不是檢察官我們雖然不是法官但是我們總是會做一些比較以及社會觀感\n那我要講的就是呢那最近呢發生一個事情啊就是呢這個集團他也是前三立集團的一個媒體那他呢現在他被迫獲的是他\n接受詐騙集團成立一個台灣網路行銷公司而且假冒揮達執行長黃仁勳成立了一個代操外匯的粉專這個就是當時我們要求一定要杜絕一定要杜絕而且深惡痛絕的\n那當然這個事情呢後來意外爆發出案外案就是他除了幫這個詐騙集團來做這個一個假的黃仁勳的代鈔外匯粉專之外呢他呢還其實呢是往軍投\n旗下有7000多個帳號在上一次的立委選舉裡面幫助現在陶琴董事長的趙振宇來抹黑他的對手邱若驊所以這是兩個案子那我要講的是當然每次政治的案子你們\n部長大概回答千篇一律啦但是我現在要跟你討論的是詐騙因為他被逮捕被破獲是因為他是詐騙集團詐騙金額數千萬元交保交保金額20萬元部長我要講就是說像這樣一個案例這是最近發生的9月份發生案例交保金額20萬\n你如何讓我們幸福今天我們司法單位真的有打詐的決心還是因為看到他竟然是幫著趙正宇在抹黑邱若驊因為這樣子而心存了一些忌憚所以給他交保金額才20萬當然其他的這些詐騙你看我列出很多都是跟詐騙相關的\n交保金額15萬 20萬部長這樣子的一個狀況 你覺得社會大眾會認為我們司法單位真的有心要打仗嗎\n我想每個案件的案情不一樣那剛才委員提到這個什麼五口青山這個已經收押 已經裁壓了那我想因為還有證據上的問題證據上的問題當然是我們檢察官一個偵查計畫他不一定一開始就有辦法因為證據可能\n你們每次都說很怕賺客串供可是你20萬先讓他交保啦每個案件那個不一樣那個串供的話當然一定我們又發現的確有串供的事實部長我在這邊特別指出所以當然跟委員會有關係那個詐欺的那部分我在檢察長會議我另外各種場合我們希望就是說對這些詐團要盡量要去案件要盡量去我是案件普遍性的要申請羈押要申請羈押\n尤其是集團性的這部分我們當然是希望就是說要求檢察官這部分要盡量用羈押因為這不能再讓他在社會去流竄再騙更多的人所以說這個羈押的確是讓這些詐團能夠氣焰能夠給他一個重大的壓制的一個非常好的因為這樣才能辦出整個往向上溯源才有辦法去追求公辦\n部長因為時間到了這個會期我們仍然會繼續的關注有關於打炸的問題打炸當然好多個環節只是我今天講出這個案例這個案例我一看我又覺得說這個是不是太扯了跟我們的社會觀感跟期待實在太遙遠個案我沒辦法去做一個處理但是我通案我會要求要求再整個一個加強我這邊列給你好幾個案子不是個案好幾個案子都是跟打炸相關但是呢\n這個有的交保金額實在是少的可憐好不好好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.827 --> 00:07.273\n好謝謝主席我請法務部長部長委員長\n\n00:12.298 --> 00:35.660\n好部長早剛才吳思耀委員特別詢問您有關於就是像這個所謂的政治狗仔那麼對於公眾人物或者是對於政治人物他的這個跟拍那您剛剛講說這個會違法違反刑法第315條嗎\n\n00:39.270 --> 01:00.904\n這個要看個案但是因為如果說這個他的行為有觸及到違反哪一條新法315-1你要不要念一下315-1的條文是什麼當然315-1他最主要是還是在一定要界定在跟拍他如果說有非公開的這些的私人的活動\n\n01:02.245 --> 01:16.181\n會公開用公職設備去確定確認確認因為那個部長故意斷章取義來315-1條有下列行為之一者處三年以下有期徒刑拘役或三十萬以下\n\n01:17.022 --> 01:18.923\n所以他這個法律的意旨非常清楚的就是無故\n\n01:45.299 --> 02:12.535\n就是你今天呢只是沒有任何的原因然後去故意來拍攝他或竊聽他而且是非公開那我要講的說其實我們在這一陣子非常明顯的來自於民進黨中央廚房的黨檢媒這次很多的所謂的爆料也是來自於部長口中的淨檢\n\n02:15.036 --> 02:30.704\n那麼這裡面非常明顯的事實上呢是要利用打擊這個所謂的這個一般大家講所謂的政治狗仔但是我們也可以看到現在很多所謂披露的披露的相關的訊息\n\n02:32.625 --> 02:51.292\n這個完全跟公共利益無關嗎完全跟利益無關嗎第一個我當然講到跟我自己爆料有關的就是潘孟安先生因為當時我質疑他的是他住的地點是光電業者的董事長的房子\n\n02:51.852 --> 03:17.003\n而這個光電業者跟他在當時他擔任屏東縣長任內他核准的光電業者就是他核准的光電業者所以這稱之為無故嗎難道即便他當時當時他沒有行政的責任但是他是賴清德總統最重要的競選左右手\n\n03:17.623 --> 03:33.910\n所以這是無故嗎好再來後來呢有一些披露的譬如說也就是監察院副院長李俊逸喔對不起秘書長李俊逸他利用就是濫用公務車濫用公務車那後來他因此而請辭下台沒有錯這也是政治狗仔所提供的\n\n03:41.974 --> 03:49.238\n但是請問一下它跟公共利益無關嗎如果無關的話請問李靜怡為何還要請辭已失負責而且後來監察院他們也組成了相關的調查小組那我要舉的這些例子其實很多在過去很多所謂的你認為是政治狗仔所以政治狗仔真的是這樣的罪無可赦嗎\n\n04:12.540 --> 04:38.507\n我有講過若我個人我自己身為公眾人物我相信沒有一個人希望被公拍開沒有一個人希望被跟拍對不對一定是這樣子的但是有的時候我們看到不管是媒體也好狗仔也好利用了這樣的手段作為另外一種監督公眾人物特別是\n\n04:39.247 --> 04:52.693\n特別是行政首長的言行而他確實涉及公共利益所以今天如果我們要一窩蜂想要用法律上完全的杜絕完全的打壓完全的禁止\n\n04:53.720 --> 05:13.873\n其實某一個程度事實上就是閒置了閒置要烏住民眾的眼睛所以我要特別講到這樣的一個狀況我覺得現在可以看得出來民進黨顯然用腥風血雨的方式來做政治爭訪跟政治鬥爭接下來部長我想請教你一個其實最近很多人在關心跟討論的議題\n\n05:24.180 --> 05:46.551\n就是呢對於這個遺產部分的廢除兄弟姐妹的特留份那最近這個議題呢被討論的很多那麼而且呢在網路上已經有超過6700人來連署復議那我看到法務部也有一些回應\n\n05:48.010 --> 06:10.801\n好像法務部現在也在做相關的研究這個大概必須要去修正民法因為很多人都認為說第一個就是現在的家庭的型態跟過去的家庭型態真的比較不一樣了我看到我們黃市長一直在點頭\n\n06:12.182 --> 06:28.229\n就是過去的可能就是大家庭兄弟姊妹大家互相扶持互相照顧但是現在的社會其實有些兄弟姊妹不一定感情很好可能感情不好有的還反目成仇那所以呢就是現在討論就是說\n\n06:30.530 --> 06:53.957\n如果尤其沒有子女者他的遺產一定要給兄弟姊妹特留份第一個違反了自己個人的意志另外一個就是跟現在的家庭形態跟社會的結構也不符合所以我想請問一下因為我剛才特別看你們的修法\n\n06:55.517 --> 07:14.387\n你們就是今年的立法計畫可是好像並沒有把這個部分納入我不曉得所以可不可以請部長回應一下有關於現在大家這高度熱議的就是廢除兄弟姐妹特留份你們現在的態度是什麼你們的進度是什麼\n\n07:15.168 --> 07:29.547\n好謝謝四位委員的確這個是在公共政策及公共網路參與平台這是由民眾來提出來的那這個當然是有遺囑自由說北京人他想要給誰多少\n\n07:30.188 --> 07:57.305\n是不是有特留份那是特留份現在是三分之一是不是要四分之五分之一或者全部都不給那這個都是可以討論的那現在我們這個議題我們已經納入我們本部有一個委託研究案一個研究案來當做一個裡面的一個研究的一個範圍那我想這個還是要管他意見因為意見很多分層那我想我們去追求一個\n\n07:58.826 --> 08:04.767\n我們再來做一個把這些研究案的結論再來做一個修法的一個參考過去曾經提起而且也過去曾經要提出修法只是後來跨界不連續105年那時候對也就終止了可見這個議題已經是在很多年前就已經被提起所以既然現在這麼多人在討論高度的熱議是不是可以就是說你們可以列入今年的修法的一個方向\n\n08:27.131 --> 08:52.540\n或者是明年上半年的一個修法方向因為這也是我們是把納入一個研究案就是因應高齡化社會檢討修正民法繼承篇的一個研究案我們把它當作一個很重要的一個議題我知道啦我知道你們現在當作一個很重要的一個修法我們當然是盡快因為其實民眾也非常關心這件事情那我們就等學者的專家來做一個研究因為我想這個還要廣大意見\n\n08:53.536 --> 09:21.156\n是但是我希望這個時間可不可以因為這個不是一個完全新的議題我剛剛講這部分的研究案的時間我是不是請市長來可以可以是謝謝委員垂詢我們在今年四月份的時候就已經委託研究了那委託研究的成果報告是在今年的年底12月底前會提出那我們在最近這幾個月底都在收集外國立法例那我們是希望說在明年年初我們就啟動修法的工程\n\n09:21.796 --> 09:49.593\n明年年初就會啟動了但是這個這個議案呢因為意見非常的分歧喔有人認為兄弟姊妹是反目成仇的但是有人認為兄弟姊妹是感情深厚的所以這個問題影響很大這為什麼就是說要有那個他要有遺產自由就是如果我真的覺得我跟哪個兄弟姊妹感情很好而且甚至呢他都有照顧我的家裡照顧我的身體什麼的等等之類的那\n\n09:50.293 --> 10:09.728\n那我就是在遺產裡面直接在遺珠裡面我全部都給他都可以啊但現在問題是我根本就跟也許跟兄弟姊妹感情很冷漠我可能更跟某一個朋友或某一個教會某一個協會某一個公益團體我覺得我跟他感情更深厚\n\n10:10.936 --> 10:32.807\n那反而我對不起我就是一定要有個特留分所以我知道這個因為他實施時間非常非常長所以我至少很高興聽到你們願意在明年初來啟動修法至少讓大家知道就是說你們要有這個修法的進度要修不修要怎麼修就像剛才部長講的\n\n10:34.289 --> 10:43.545\n是全部都不留呢還是這個特留份的這個比例把它整個的降低我希望在明年初可以有更具體的一個進度好不好\n\n10:44.600 --> 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