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00:01:34,247\n過去這幾年我們都非常喜歡行政院一個公開平台公民機制大家一起來參與公開透明喔所以每一項預算都很重要到底編列在總預算裡面或者是應該編列在特別預算裡面大家各自有不同的立場跟聲音所以未來如何引進第三方的審查包括公民監督的報告制度公開透明是長期\n\n5\n00:01:35,228 --> 00:02:00,162\n我們行政院過去民進黨執政這十年以來常在提的所以未來如何引進公民參與的機制這四大主軸十一項在我們行政院的平台在主計部都看得到我希望主計長在接下來報告朝野協商針對這幾個問題有更具體的說明好謝謝主計長那我先回到我今天質詢的主軸我要問財政部部長\n\n6\n00:02:01,656 --> 00:02:21,566\n主席長你可以回座喔謝謝部長委員好你好我們這一次普發現金的部分不只是平常媒體在幫你宣傳還不用花錢我們所有的明代都在幫你宣傳那我也關注到我們這一次編列的這個包括普發現金的媒體的宣傳費達到1350萬喔\n\n7\n00:02:24,787 --> 00:02:28,751\n但是過去我們並不是第一次補發現金過去馬英九任內蔡總統任內我們都有補發現金過去我們今年剪裂過去我們編列到1550萬這一次剪裂了200萬但是我們看整體預算執行的效果\n\n8\n00:02:43,185 --> 00:02:47,107\n過去編列1550萬我們整理預算執行也達到99.69%那花的預算金額其實我們花了預算專檢我們花了819萬就已經達到了宣傳的效果那因為我今天時間有限我就希望請問部長\n\n9\n00:03:06,858 --> 00:03:31,487\n過去花了800多萬尊潔我們已經達到99.69%的效果你覺得我們花到1350萬你預計達到的成果是什麼有什麼不一樣你宣傳的管道媒體的效果跟過去有什麼不一樣為什麼要花那麼多的錢我今天為什麼要舉這個例子出來我覺得預算應該尊潔使用你可以告訴我\n\n10\n00:03:32,327 --> 00:03:52,629\n做法有什麼不一樣管道有什麼不一樣預計達到的成果是百分之百嗎跟委員報告對於這個普發現金這樣的一個媒體宣導我們認為應該要更作為加強那當然您就說國人都很關心大家都知道但是各種領取的方式我們還是要做詳細的解說我沒有說不給你喔\n\n11\n00:03:55,331 --> 00:04:16,960\n我是說過去花800多萬可以達到99.69%的效果多元的管道一樣都一樣在做同樣的宣傳你為什麼一定要花到1350萬跟委員報告還有這一次對於防炸的部分防炸的部分我們各部會現在都有編列相關的預算在做防炸\n\n12\n00:04:17,620 --> 00:04:30,487\n每一個政務的推動應該都在各政務列管底下做還有不同的受眾我們也要特別注意比如說看手機的我們的防詐本來就是不同的受眾都要宣傳除了領取的方式也要做宣傳還有各個時間點我只是舉例提出這件事情事實上我覺得應該達到專決的效果\n\n13\n00:04:41,233 --> 00:04:57,485\n我們在整合作的效果在如果是這樣我們每編列一筆政務預算或者跟民眾有關的我們是不是都要在另外的編列一筆預算來做防詐跨部會的防詐這是我要提醒你的地方因為只剩下22秒我請教育部部長時間先暫停一下我們請教育部長\n\n14\n00:05:22,304 --> 00:05:41,197\n部長我只要你看一個表格就好是你知道哪一個表格有一個表格預算哪一筆是特別預算哪一筆是115年度的總預算你看那個表格左邊的表格還是右邊的表格你不要打pass給他你問一下我問一下部長左邊左邊是什麼\n\n15\n00:05:46,314 --> 00:06:06,185\n又提升大專校院校務治理支持高教育產業合作共培人才部長你覺得這符合特別預算編列的精神嗎我們看一下特別預算編列四大精神是什麼我想主計長非常清楚災害應變國防需求經濟景氣變動重大事故變動\n\n16\n00:06:09,124 --> 00:06:25,746\n我覺得每一項預算都很重要但是到底應該放在總預算來編或追加預算人才培育我支持但是可以放在追加預算跟委員報告日本因為這一次的國際集市他們編了一千億用來延攬人才部長\n\n17\n00:06:26,767 --> 00:06:31,149\n我沒有否定今年應該編但是你可以用追加預算來編因為我認為這項預算不符合特別預算編列的精神在我沒有否定喔不要最後去外面放話說我否定我沒有否定但是我認為應該用追加預算來編應該追加預算來編而不應該放在特別預算讓特別預算的編列服用濫用以上是我的質詢謝謝總責謝謝召委\n\n18\n00:06:55,246 --> 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