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00:00:22,022\n主席謝謝麻煩請李主委請他主委主委好主委延續剛剛學委員的意見那您剛一直提到之後你會交代下去但本席也知道是說現在有6名委員包括您本人是任期到11月3號\n\n2\n00:00:23,877 --> 00:00:37,033\n那到今天已经是10月8号了那不到一个月的时间照理讲过去我们相关的独立机关如果说人事有需要做送立法院审查的话差不多是三个月前就会提出人选那\n\n3\n00:00:38,450 --> 00:00:51,461\n就您的了解因為早上你已經有受訪但是我們還是想要請教到底現在問題出在哪邊是行政院長找不到人還是大家沒有想要擔任中選會的一個職務還是說在等誰點頭開口主委\n\n4\n00:00:54,096 --> 00:01:18,377\n我所知道的是行政院非常積極的在找人尋找適當的人選至於為什麼到現在有沒有諮詢過你進行的程度我不用了我兩任已經屆滿了所以你也沒有辦法再留任不行其他的部分有沒有諮詢過你有沒有推薦的人選\n\n5\n00:01:20,090 --> 00:01:39,371\n行政院他的这个征询人选的管道非常的多所以有包括你吗其实我觉得你很合适啊过去两任八年的一个时间两任的一个时间如果说你认为说哪一个选务人员是主委可以担任的那院长没有说想要来了解一下你的这个意愿\n\n6\n00:01:40,809 --> 00:01:58,128\n了解一下你的推薦還是說你會擔心不是我們尊重院長他的權限那你不會擔心說如果說11月3號到了結果人選還沒有出來因為送進立法院我們還要內政委員會排人事的一個審查公聽會甚至還要在院會\n\n7\n00:01:58,729 --> 00:02:17,474\n所以如果說最快最快時間今天送進來可能也都沒有辦法趕到11月3號那到時候中選會業務會不會有相關的一個交接清黃不接那應該是三個月前就要提出來啦第一點就是說我相信行政院應該近期之內就能夠把人選給送進來\n\n8\n00:02:18,934 --> 00:02:40,512\n那行政院送进来之后也希望立法院能够让选务能够无缝的接轨所以在很快的时间里面能够审查完成审查我相信您也可以认同这不应该是勤勒立法院我们都要求我们都希望是说政务可以无缝接轨可是重点在于是你提出的人选好不好\n\n9\n00:02:41,532 --> 00:03:00,040\n是不是公正客觀聯名讓社會大眾能夠幸福那還有更重要的是你應該提出人選的時候就應該提出來啊那過去為什麼以11月3號到期來講應該回推8月就要提出人選那為什麼那時候沒有提出來是不是那時候還在看726823的一個結果\n\n10\n00:03:04,143 --> 00:03:21,933\n726823已经过很久了是过很久了已经过很久是啊但是本席更想问的是如果说过那么久了为什么到现在10月7号都还没有新的中选会的人选名单出来所以因为过了很久这是谁的责任所以不是因为这个726823的原因所以这是谁的责任还是行政院长吗因为只有他有提名权吗\n\n11\n00:03:27,279 --> 00:03:53,536\n來指委我再請教一下今天我們也看到這個相關的一個選務報告那其中辦理公職人員罷免法的一個部分在這一次整個公職人員罷免法的一個辦理完畢之後有沒有任何選務不中立的狀況選務中立這個是我相當有信心雖然這一次的這個罷免潮風風雨雨但是這些所謂的風風雨雨都跟選務無關\n\n12\n00:03:54,522 --> 00:04:22,970\n都跟選務無關但在這過程當中大家難免還是會覺得說中選會是有下指導棋之嫌其實就中選會是應該要下指導棋但是中選會因為中選會是但是不能影響到最後的一個結果中選會是主管機關但中選會不能影響到最後的結果必須要負責監督我們的所屬機關你是要選務中立你是要監督選務中立我們就講最直接的到目前為止我們就是要看好他要走正軌不要怕騙了\n\n13\n00:04:24,210 --> 00:04:38,239\n但是目前但是我們就怕的是說中選會真的是太限制了為了想要達成某個目的或是某個結果所以說太限制了選民的一個洪委員你耳目很多你具體的事實跟我講我來檢討哪個地方有疑慮我們來檢討\n\n14\n00:04:41,724 --> 00:04:55,656\n本席到現在到地方上還是很多鄉親講到這一次的這個罷免案都會講是說連踴躍投票都不能踴躍這真的不知道是說我們中選會在下什麼樣的指導棋\n\n15\n00:04:56,502 --> 00:05:11,254\n我們鼓勵大家多多參與公民活動鼓勵大家多多出來勇於發聲鼓勵大家多多出來表達自己的意見跟主張我們對於法制的我們對於法制的宣導我們對於選務制度的這個宣導那是可以的啦大家踴躍的\n\n16\n00:05:26,346 --> 00:05:55,884\n但是一旦是進入個案的這個對立大家在競爭的時候每一個每一方的考量都不一樣有些人希望投票率高一點有些人希望投票率低一點所以這個時候中選會愛討好麥仔當啦我們不要去陷入到正反雙方的一個爭主裡面去主委我說實在您在政壇上算前輩但是我說實在話其實您這樣的講法真的不是一個正當的講法\n\n17\n00:05:56,184 --> 00:06:16,960\n我也想要利用這個機會跟我們所有的中選會的同仁不管是我們的委員到11月3號要離開但是中選會的基石還是所有的公務同仁要來做協助公民社會一個成熟的公民社會能夠鼓勵大家勇於表達自己的意見主張投票\n\n18\n00:06:18,188 --> 00:06:27,370\n投贊成票投反對票或是他有去做投票行為動作這其實某種程度上都是鼓勵大家的表達公民的意見跟主張\n\n19\n00:06:28,314 --> 00:06:54,848\n如果說用什麼投票率高投票率低然後大家的考量然後還有我們中選會都還要來介入的話那其實我想中選會已經逾越了這樣子的一個範圍中選會在這一波的罷免潮裡面我跟全國的選務人員有一個要求我們一定要扮演一個穩定的力量所以中選會必須要非常的謹慎不要讓任何一方可以把我們的選務來作為一個議題\n\n20\n00:06:58,070 --> 00:07:17,268\n來發動彼此的攻擊包括所謂的是不是踴躍投票這一點看起來真的跟過去跟現在的那個態度是差很多啦所以其實諸位意義貫之意義貫之剩一個月不到的時間啦我還是希望就說這個離開的身影也要讓大家懷念啦那\n\n21\n00:07:18,155 --> 00:07:40,385\n還是強調本席站在這邊因為我們還是會持續的要監督中選會那也希望您能夠帶回去也希望您能夠繼續支持啦該支持的我們一定支持讓中華民國好的我們一定支持讓台灣2350萬人生活穩定的我們一定支持但是我們也希望主委能夠帶回去要求行政院或是\n\n22\n00:07:41,226 --> 00:07:53,179\n請求行政院趕快提出人選讓我們立法院能夠做事之甚長我會要求我們的選務同仁繼續扮演著民主社會的一股穩定的力量選務一定要絕對中立謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1431\t22022\t主席謝謝 麻煩請李主委請他主委主委好主委延續剛剛學委員的意見那您剛一直提到之後你會交代下去但本席也知道是說現在有6名委員包括您本人是任期到11月3號\n23877\t37033\t那到今天已经是10月8号了那不到一个月的时间照理讲过去我们相关的独立机关如果说人事有需要做送立法院审查的话差不多是三个月前就会提出人选那\n38450\t51461\t就您的了解因為早上你已經有受訪但是我們還是想要請教到底現在問題出在哪邊是行政院長找不到人還是大家沒有想要擔任中選會的一個職務還是說在等誰點頭開口 主委\n54096\t78377\t我所知道的是 行政院非常積極的在找人 尋找適當的人選至於為什麼到現在 有沒有諮詢過你 進行的程度我不用了 我兩任已經屆滿了所以你也沒有辦法再留任 不行其他的部分 有沒有諮詢過你 有沒有推薦的人選\n80090\t99371\t行政院他的这个征询人选的管道非常的多所以有包括你吗其实我觉得你很合适啊过去两任八年的一个时间两任的一个时间如果说你认为说哪一个选务人员是主委可以担任的那院长没有说想要来了解一下你的这个意愿\n100809\t118128\t了解一下你的推薦還是說你會擔心不是我們尊重院長他的權限那你不會擔心說如果說11月3號到了結果人選還沒有出來因為送進立法院我們還要內政委員會排人事的一個審查公聽會甚至還要在院會\n118729\t137474\t所以如果說最快最快時間今天送進來可能也都沒有辦法趕到11月3號那到時候中選會業務會不會有相關的一個交接 清黃不接那應該是三個月前就要提出來啦第一點就是說我相信行政院應該近期之內就能夠把人選給送進來\n138934\t160512\t那行政院送进来之后也希望立法院能够让选务能够无缝的接轨所以在很快的时间里面能够审查完成审查我相信您也可以认同这不应该是勤勒立法院我们都要求我们都希望是说政务可以无缝接轨可是重点在于是你提出的人选好不好\n161532\t180040\t是不是公正客觀聯名讓社會大眾能夠幸福那還有更重要的是你應該提出人選的時候就應該提出來啊那過去為什麼以11月3號到期來講應該回推8月就要提出人選那為什麼那時候沒有提出來是不是那時候還在看726823的一個結果\n184143\t201933\t726823已经过很久了是过很久了已经过很久是啊但是本席更想问的是如果说过那么久了为什么到现在10月7号都还没有新的中选会的人选名单出来所以因为过了很久这是谁的责任所以不是因为这个726823的原因所以这是谁的责任还是行政院长吗因为只有他有提名权吗\n207279\t233536\t來 指委我再請教一下今天我們也看到這個相關的一個選務報告那其中辦理公職人員罷免法的一個部分在這一次整個公職人員罷免法的一個辦理完畢之後有沒有任何選務不中立的狀況選務中立這個是我相當有信心雖然這一次的這個罷免潮風風雨雨但是這些所謂的風風雨雨都跟選務無關\n234522\t262970\t都跟選務無關但在這過程當中大家難免還是會覺得說中選會是有下指導棋之嫌其實就中選會是應該要下指導棋但是中選會因為中選會是但是不能影響到最後的一個結果中選會是主管機關但中選會不能影響到最後的結果必須要負責監督我們的所屬機關你是要選務中立你是要監督選務中立我們就講最直接的到目前為止我們就是要看好他要走正軌不要怕騙了\n264210\t278239\t但是目前但是我們就怕的是說中選會真的是太限制了為了想要達成某個目的或是某個結果所以說太限制了選民的一個洪委員你耳目很多你具體的事實跟我講我來檢討哪個地方有疑慮我們來檢討\n281724\t295656\t本席到現在到地方上還是很多鄉親講到這一次的這個罷免案都會講是說連踴躍投票都不能踴躍這真的不知道是說我們中選會在下什麼樣的指導棋\n296502\t311254\t我們鼓勵大家多多參與公民活動鼓勵大家多多出來勇於發聲鼓勵大家多多出來表達自己的意見跟主張我們對於法制的我們對於法制的宣導我們對於選務制度的這個宣導那是可以的啦大家踴躍的\n326346\t355884\t但是一旦是進入個案的這個對立大家在競爭的時候每一個 每一方的考量都不一樣有些人希望投票率高一點有些人希望投票率低一點所以這個時候 中選會愛討好麥仔當啦我們不要去陷入到正反雙方的一個爭主裡面去主委 我說實在您在政壇上算前輩但是 我說實在話其實您這樣的講法真的不是一個正當的講法\n356184\t376960\t我也想要利用這個機會跟我們所有的中選會的同仁不管是我們的委員到11月3號要離開但是中選會的基石還是所有的公務同仁要來做協助公民社會一個成熟的公民社會能夠鼓勵大家勇於表達自己的意見主張投票\n378188\t387370\t投贊成票 投反對票或是他有去做投票行為動作這其實某種程度上都是鼓勵大家的表達公民的意見跟主張\n388314\t414848\t如果說用什麼投票率高投票率低然後大家的考量然後還有我們中選會都還要來介入的話那其實我想中選會已經逾越了這樣子的一個範圍中選會在這一波的罷免潮裡面我跟全國的選務人員有一個要求我們一定要扮演一個穩定的力量所以中選會必須要非常的謹慎不要讓任何一方可以把我們的選務來作為一個議題\n418070\t437268\t來發動彼此的攻擊包括所謂的是不是踴躍投票這一點看起來真的跟過去跟現在的那個態度是差很多啦所以其實諸位意義貫之 意義貫之剩一個月不到的時間啦我還是希望就說這個離開的身影也要讓大家懷念啦那\n438155\t460385\t還是強調本席站在這邊因為我們還是會持續的要監督中選會那也希望您能夠帶回去 也希望您能夠繼續支持啦該支持的我們一定支持讓中華民國好的我們一定支持讓台灣2350萬人生活穩定的我們一定支持但是我們也希望主委能夠帶回去要求行政院或是\n461226\t473179\t請求行政院趕快提出人選讓我們立法院能夠做事之甚長我會要求我們的選務同仁繼續扮演著民主社會的一股穩定的力量選務一定要絕對中立謝謝委員\n","txt":"主席謝謝 麻煩請李主委請他主委主委好主委延續剛剛學委員的意見那您剛一直提到之後你會交代下去但本席也知道是說現在有6名委員包括您本人是任期到11月3號\n那到今天已经是10月8号了那不到一个月的时间照理讲过去我们相关的独立机关如果说人事有需要做送立法院审查的话差不多是三个月前就会提出人选那\n就您的了解因為早上你已經有受訪但是我們還是想要請教到底現在問題出在哪邊是行政院長找不到人還是大家沒有想要擔任中選會的一個職務還是說在等誰點頭開口 主委\n我所知道的是 行政院非常積極的在找人 尋找適當的人選至於為什麼到現在 有沒有諮詢過你 進行的程度我不用了 我兩任已經屆滿了所以你也沒有辦法再留任 不行其他的部分 有沒有諮詢過你 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指委我再請教一下今天我們也看到這個相關的一個選務報告那其中辦理公職人員罷免法的一個部分在這一次整個公職人員罷免法的一個辦理完畢之後有沒有任何選務不中立的狀況選務中立這個是我相當有信心雖然這一次的這個罷免潮風風雨雨但是這些所謂的風風雨雨都跟選務無關\n都跟選務無關但在這過程當中大家難免還是會覺得說中選會是有下指導棋之嫌其實就中選會是應該要下指導棋但是中選會因為中選會是但是不能影響到最後的一個結果中選會是主管機關但中選會不能影響到最後的結果必須要負責監督我們的所屬機關你是要選務中立你是要監督選務中立我們就講最直接的到目前為止我們就是要看好他要走正軌不要怕騙了\n但是目前但是我們就怕的是說中選會真的是太限制了為了想要達成某個目的或是某個結果所以說太限制了選民的一個洪委員你耳目很多你具體的事實跟我講我來檢討哪個地方有疑慮我們來檢討\n本席到現在到地方上還是很多鄉親講到這一次的這個罷免案都會講是說連踴躍投票都不能踴躍這真的不知道是說我們中選會在下什麼樣的指導棋\n我們鼓勵大家多多參與公民活動鼓勵大家多多出來勇於發聲鼓勵大家多多出來表達自己的意見跟主張我們對於法制的我們對於法制的宣導我們對於選務制度的這個宣導那是可以的啦大家踴躍的\n但是一旦是進入個案的這個對立大家在競爭的時候每一個 每一方的考量都不一樣有些人希望投票率高一點有些人希望投票率低一點所以這個時候 中選會愛討好麥仔當啦我們不要去陷入到正反雙方的一個爭主裡面去主委 我說實在您在政壇上算前輩但是 我說實在話其實您這樣的講法真的不是一個正當的講法\n我也想要利用這個機會跟我們所有的中選會的同仁不管是我們的委員到11月3號要離開但是中選會的基石還是所有的公務同仁要來做協助公民社會一個成熟的公民社會能夠鼓勵大家勇於表達自己的意見主張投票\n投贊成票 投反對票或是他有去做投票行為動作這其實某種程度上都是鼓勵大家的表達公民的意見跟主張\n如果說用什麼投票率高投票率低然後大家的考量然後還有我們中選會都還要來介入的話那其實我想中選會已經逾越了這樣子的一個範圍中選會在這一波的罷免潮裡面我跟全國的選務人員有一個要求我們一定要扮演一個穩定的力量所以中選會必須要非常的謹慎不要讓任何一方可以把我們的選務來作為一個議題\n來發動彼此的攻擊包括所謂的是不是踴躍投票這一點看起來真的跟過去跟現在的那個態度是差很多啦所以其實諸位意義貫之 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