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00:03:17,003\n我不用法來跟你講而是您認為這樣的事情一旦公布之後法務部不用態度嗎所以言下之意以後我只要是記者我就可以用法務部的地址來任意做使用本席是記者出來我當然知道記者在採訪的過程中需要一個空間來發稿這是一種服務也是一種互相的體諒尤其是平面的記者多數會在現地發稿電視台的記者\n\n8\n00:03:20,424 --> 00:03:45,941\n才會需要回到他們的公司來做發稿甚至於有的時候採訪時間比較早比較晚耽誤了用餐時間你說要叫個UBER叫個外送沒有問題但是像這種狗仔記者就用法務部的記者室來承租車位來做監控甚至於潛入地下室裡面去拍這樣一張地下室的照片\n\n9\n00:03:47,478 --> 00:04:15,538\n回過頭來法務部認為這樣的做法可以嗎如果法務部現在沒有態度未來就是昭告天下最危險的地方就是最安全的地方法務部重慶南路一段130號不管幾樓我都可以送東西進去所有的違禁品我可以收所有的不法物件我可以在這裡用這個地址來使用您身為法務部的最高負責人\n\n10\n00:04:16,559 --> 00:04:23,238\n一個不是這個單位的組成份子可以如此使用嗎可以如此訂約嗎\n\n11\n00:04:25,609 --> 00:04:52,543\n這部分這是他個人的行為那我們是非常的他用以法務部的這個六樓的當作他簽約地址這種表示這個是很不應該的這個很不應該那我想這是一個當然這個是我們沒有去介入但是我們希望我們也跟那個記者聯繫會有一就有二所以未來如果沒有一個明確的界定\n\n12\n00:04:53,383 --> 00:05:21,697\n這已經是昭告天下以後就可以這樣處理喔我只要是法務部記者聯誼會的記者我就可以這樣做嗎那未來謝信恩凱思國際現在因為王逸川去提告了那麼當時不起訴就是因為說凱思國際是一個媒體所以媒體可以跟監可以跟著王逸川不斷的去拍攝他的私人的照片現在凱思國際如果回聘謝信恩\n\n13\n00:05:22,257 --> 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