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00:02:29,168\n是我們看到就是軌道的一個運輸就是應該都蠻就是說順暢那國道的部分看起來也沒有說特別的用色這兩次是在這兩次看起來其實都蠻有秩序的那也感謝其實國人大家都很配合整個秩序上大家都共同來維護其實蠻順暢\n\n8\n00:02:30,889 --> 00:02:50,354\n事實上就是剛剛部長提到這個AI這個大數據的一個提供我覺得這很重要啦因為事實上像我們在地方中部地區我們在就是跑行程的時候我們會特別去看一下有關那個高速公路的這個車流的狀況然後如果是紅色的時候我們就會避免\n\n9\n00:02:51,094 --> 00:03:18,252\n上這個國道我想這個對於整個地方就是區域性的一個替代道路的一個規劃或者是這個資訊的一個揭露這個就非常的重要可以讓我們就是這個國道的交通就可以比較順暢所以我覺得這個也是要透過交科技的一個輔助我覺得這非常重要所以這兩次的一個廉價的一個輸運也要感謝我們交通部各單位包括這個\n\n10\n00:03:18,952 --> 00:03:46,928\n高鐵台鐵或者是國道等等的交通同仁的一個努力要感謝大家的辛苦那接下來我想請教一下是我們知道這個會期就是預算的會期我們就是要審這個明年度的一個預算那本席有注意到在9月18號的時候我們的伍次長應該是在記者會上有提到交通部這個公共工程的預算明年度少了一半\n\n11\n00:03:47,828 --> 00:04:02,709\n那这个少了一半的数字很庞大那我不晓得说这样这个状况是确实是这样子吗那如果是真的少了一半未来对我们交通部在推动重大交通建设的时候会有什么影响是不是可以说明一下\n\n12\n00:04:03,089 --> 00:04:23,290\n是報告委員在今年跟明年是整個交通部在交通建設上面公共建設的工程預算的比較高峰期今年跟明年那包含地方捷運的需求在今年跟明年也是最高峰的階段那很不幸剛好我們遇到了這個才化法的這個修訂跟修正那中央\n\n13\n00:04:23,891 --> 00:04:39,904\n不會其實我們在這個整體的預算的規模來講的話確實是比較吃緊那也就是說我們在整體的預算到達需求到達高峰的時候我們的預算沒有辦法跟著拉上去甚至有可能會有一些減少\n\n14\n00:04:40,945 --> 00:04:57,705\n那這個部分對我們來講其實也就會比較困擾一點尤其是對於地方的補助因為過去中央確實有一些餘力跟力氣跟力量就統籌分配款就均衡台灣的角度來分配給地方來協助地方做一些建設\n\n15\n00:04:58,786 --> 00:05:26,494\n那現在因為透過財化法的這個分配之後其實中央這方面的利器跟力道其實相對於過去是減少了不少那我們自己的交通部自己的工程預算我們自己也正在盤點那哪些工程會受到影響會延後的部分我們也正在盤點當中那對於地方的補助我們也正在審慎的評估未來該怎麼樣去因應地方的補助的需求\n\n16\n00:05:27,228 --> 00:05:48,896\n是就是我們也希望就是在有限的裁員能夠發揮最大的一個效益那當然就是過去同仇分配稅款由中央就是來做一個執行的時候就是對於均衡台灣的話可以有比較彈性的一個運用那其實我們看過去就是在蔡總統執政一直到現在賴總統執政其實對於\n\n17\n00:05:52,257 --> 00:06:16,313\n各地方的一個補助我們的感受就是真的是沒有再分政黨那以彰化縣來看其實目前彰化縣有好幾件的重大交通建設在進行當中那已經有完工的就是東張道路從花壇一直到二水這條道路的一個新闢讓彰化縣的一個縱向的一個交通更加的一個順暢\n\n18\n00:06:17,233 --> 00:06:40,681\n那我們看到這個大概分了三段那就是一整條的一個道路整個我們在中央補助款就是都高達到80%就是有80%有50%那50%這部分應該就是用地徵收費是有地方政府負擔比較多的一個部分那包括目前和美的美寮路這個生活圈道路的一個\n\n19\n00:06:41,661 --> 00:07:10,553\n已經剛動工在進行當中我們的中央也是高達81%的一個補助款所以有中央的一個挹注對地方交通建設的一個推行才能夠順利的一個完成所以我們在擔心說未來我們在就是中央的這個經費在少了之後未來對整個地方交通建設一個推動是不是就是會有受到很大的一個局限跟限制\n\n20\n00:07:11,213 --> 00:07:38,946\n報告委員確實我們交通部目前我們自己的工程預算也有減少也有不足的地方那當然對於地方的補助對我們來說就會相對比較吃力一點那這個吃力的狀況我們目前也正在盤點說未來在有限的資源裡面我們該怎麼樣去協助地方那不過要很坦誠的說未來的資源也會減少那金額也一定會減少所以我們能夠資源的這個佔比您所說的這個\n\n21\n00:07:40,046 --> 00:07:50,095\n像河美鎮的美寮路的這個拓寬工程中央協助到了81%那未來在這樣子的工程方面我們大概就會沒有辦法有這樣的力道\n\n22\n00:07:50,825 --> 00:08:15,437\n是當然就是說我們對於站在地方的角度我們都希望就是說重大建設能夠順利的一個進行跟完成那如果說少了中央的一個挹注的話不曉得地方是不是有那個能力來完成那當然就是說在中央剛剛部長也有說會審慎的評估所以我們也希望未來再有這個就是裁員\n\n23\n00:08:16,718 --> 00:08:38,018\n充裕就是說可以運用的狀況之下對地方的一個補助還是要請交通部大力的一個支持當然有足夠的力量我們當然是全力會協助地方是那因為我們就是說在目前整個大的一個縱向和橫向的交通建設幾乎都完成或者是已經在進行當中那對於整個地方\n\n24\n00:08:38,999 --> 00:09:00,797\n平景交通平景的一個打通還是要陸續的去完成那目前之前在去年我們有透過交通委員會的一個考察的幾個地點就是包括高鐵彰化站的周邊地區的聯絡道路就是高鐵橋下的一個橫向就是東西向的一個道路的一個新闢還有\n\n25\n00:09:03,106 --> 00:09:26,377\n田尾富隆路的一个拓宽还有就是园林市的大劳路拓宽这是临近临错渣道的一个联络道路还有第三个就是园林大道的延伸道三角路137线这就是可以疏解园林市区的交通流量的这个道路这三件都已经在交通委员会安排考察的时候都已经有看过了\n\n26\n00:09:26,977 --> 00:09:51,799\n那應該就是目前不曉得彰化縣政府是不是有提報那個可行性評估的計畫跟我們報告一下這個部分我再確認一下但是因為今年生活圈的一個審議的部分因為之前預算通過的比較晚所以目前這個局裡面在辦理這個審議那這三個案子我再這個就是說再回去確認一下\n\n27\n00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,024\n那如果說這個帳號簽證我還沒提的我問他我們會來這個促請他這個提出我們再來依規定再來做審議\n\n28\n00:10:01,204 --> 00:10:28,057\n是因為就是說要先做一個可行性評估才有後續的一個興建的一個工程的一個推動所以這個第一步非常重要是不是在地方彰化縣政府如果有提送這個可行性評估的一個申請補助的時候是不是也請江東部能夠給予支持讓這個計畫可以啟動好我們會用支持的角度來思考這幾件事是好那謝謝部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4173\t7254\t謝謝主席請主席邀請陳部長請陳部長部長早本席首先針對有關連續假期我們交通部對於這個交通疏運的情形來請教部長我們知道從9月底的這個教師節一直到10月底就有4個\n32243\t36807\t連續假日連續假日對於我們這個南北的一個交通運輸應該是面臨很大的一個挑戰那我們已經過了兩個連續假日那以這次中秋節的一個連續假日的一個輸運應該是旅運人士串高峰\n50579\t70428\t台鐵跟高鐵的一個旅運人士達到了555.8萬的一個人次那在這個部分就是我們交通部這邊對於這個輸運的情況是不是可以做一個簡單的一個報告跟委員報告我們其實都有預先做準備雖然這次的放假跟過去非常的不一樣台灣從來沒有經歷過連續四個的連續假期\n74332\t89703\t那四個週末都是三天的廉價過去沒有經歷過所以這也很考驗我們透過數據跟AI系統在做大數據分析的過程當中的這個精準度那我們目前也正在驗證當中那我們所做的準備是\n90203\t105544\t先透過這個運量的預估那再做這個車次的安排跟人力的安排那我們當然就是希望料敵從寬用比較最寬裕的方式來面對整個輸運的狀況那當然輸運的過程一定會有一些變化跟變數\n106485\t129265\t那當我們在遇到變化跟變數的時候我們的風險點其實每一個單位都有去盤點自己的風險點那遇到風險點的時候該怎麼應變這個其實我們也都有預作準備所以我們在遇到風險的時候我們該怎麼克服其實都有預作準備所以這前面兩三次的這個疏運我們看起來是目前秩序上大致來說還算是良好\n129881\t149168\t是我們看到就是軌道的一個運輸就是應該都蠻就是說順暢那國道的部分看起來也沒有說特別的用色這兩次是在這兩次看起來其實都蠻有秩序的那也感謝其實國人大家都很配合整個秩序上大家都共同來維護其實蠻順暢\n150889\t170354\t事實上就是剛剛部長提到這個AI這個大數據的一個提供我覺得這很重要啦因為事實上像我們在地方中部地區我們在就是跑行程的時候我們會特別去看一下有關那個高速公路的這個車流的狀況然後如果是紅色的時候我們就會避免\n171094\t198252\t上這個國道我想這個對於整個地方就是區域性的一個替代道路的一個規劃或者是這個資訊的一個揭露這個就非常的重要可以讓我們就是這個國道的交通就可以比較順暢所以我覺得這個也是要透過交科技的一個輔助我覺得這非常重要所以這兩次的一個廉價的一個輸運也要感謝我們交通部各單位包括這個\n198952\t226928\t高鐵台鐵或者是國道等等的交通同仁的一個努力要感謝大家的辛苦那接下來我想請教一下是我們知道這個會期就是預算的會期我們就是要審這個明年度的一個預算那本席有注意到在9月18號的時候我們的伍次長應該是在記者會上有提到交通部這個公共工程的預算明年度少了一半\n227828\t242709\t那这个少了一半的数字很庞大那我不晓得说这样这个状况是确实是这样子吗那如果是真的少了一半未来对我们交通部在推动重大交通建设的时候会有什么影响是不是可以说明一下\n243089\t263290\t是 報告委員在今年跟明年是整個交通部在交通建設上面公共建設的工程預算的比較高峰期今年跟明年那包含地方捷運的需求在今年跟明年也是最高峰的階段那很不幸剛好我們遇到了這個才化法的這個修訂跟修正那中央\n263891\t279904\t不會其實我們在這個整體的預算的規模來講的話確實是比較吃緊那也就是說我們在整體的預算到達需求到達高峰的時候我們的預算沒有辦法跟著拉上去甚至有可能會有一些減少\n280945\t297705\t那這個部分對我們來講其實也就會比較困擾一點尤其是對於地方的補助因為過去中央確實有一些餘力跟力氣跟力量就統籌分配款就均衡台灣的角度來分配給地方來協助地方做一些建設\n298786\t326494\t那現在因為透過財化法的這個分配之後其實中央這方面的利器跟力道其實相對於過去是減少了不少那我們自己的交通部自己的工程預算我們自己也正在盤點那哪些工程會受到影響會延後的部分我們也正在盤點當中那對於地方的補助我們也正在審慎的評估未來該怎麼樣去因應地方的補助的需求\n327228\t348896\t是就是我們也希望就是在有限的裁員能夠發揮最大的一個效益那當然就是過去同仇分配稅款由中央就是來做一個執行的時候就是對於均衡台灣的話可以有比較彈性的一個運用那其實我們看過去就是在蔡總統執政一直到現在賴總統執政其實對於\n352257\t376313\t各地方的一個補助我們的感受就是真的是沒有再分政黨那以彰化縣來看其實目前彰化縣有好幾件的重大交通建設在進行當中那已經有完工的就是東張道路從花壇一直到二水這條道路的一個新闢讓彰化縣的一個縱向的一個交通更加的一個順暢\n377233\t400681\t那我們看到這個大概分了三段那就是一整條的一個道路整個我們在中央補助款就是都高達到80%就是有80%有50%那50%這部分應該就是用地徵收費是有地方政府負擔比較多的一個部分那包括目前和美的美寮路這個生活圈道路的一個\n401661\t430553\t已經剛動工在進行當中我們的中央也是高達81%的一個補助款所以有中央的一個挹注對地方交通建設的一個推行才能夠順利的一個完成所以我們在擔心說未來我們在就是中央的這個經費在少了之後未來對整個地方交通建設一個推動是不是就是會有受到很大的一個局限跟限制\n431213\t458946\t報告委員確實我們交通部目前我們自己的工程預算也有減少也有不足的地方那當然對於地方的補助對我們來說就會相對比較吃力一點那這個吃力的狀況我們目前也正在盤點說未來在有限的資源裡面我們該怎麼樣去協助地方那不過要很坦誠的說未來的資源也會減少那金額也一定會減少所以我們能夠資源的這個佔比您所說的這個\n460046\t470095\t像河美鎮的美寮路的這個拓寬工程中央協助到了81%那未來在這樣子的工程方面我們大概就會沒有辦法有這樣的力道\n470825\t495437\t是當然就是說我們對於站在地方的角度我們都希望就是說重大建設能夠順利的一個進行跟完成那如果說少了中央的一個挹注的話不曉得地方是不是有那個能力來完成那當然就是說在中央剛剛部長也有說會審慎的評估所以我們也希望未來再有這個就是裁員\n496718\t518018\t充裕就是說可以運用的狀況之下對地方的一個補助還是要請交通部大力的一個支持當然有足夠的力量我們當然是全力會協助地方是那因為我們就是說在目前整個大的一個縱向和橫向的交通建設幾乎都完成或者是已經在進行當中那對於整個地方\n518999\t540797\t平景交通平景的一個打通還是要陸續的去完成那目前之前在去年我們有透過交通委員會的一個考察的幾個地點就是包括高鐵彰化站的周邊地區的聯絡道路就是高鐵橋下的一個橫向就是東西向的一個道路的一個新闢還有\n543106\t566377\t田尾富隆路的一个拓宽还有就是园林市的大劳路拓宽这是临近临错渣道的一个联络道路还有第三个就是园林大道的延伸道三角路137线这就是可以疏解园林市区的交通流量的这个道路这三件都已经在交通委员会安排考察的时候都已经有看过了\n566977\t591799\t那應該就是目前不曉得彰化縣政府是不是有提報那個可行性評估的計畫跟我們報告一下這個部分我再確認一下但是因為今年生活圈的一個審議的部分因為之前預算通過的比較晚所以目前這個局裡面在辦理這個審議那這三個案子我再這個就是說再回去確認一下\n592600\t595024\t那如果說這個帳號簽證我還沒提的我問他我們會來這個促請他這個提出我們再來依規定再來做審議\n601204\t628057\t是因為就是說要先做一個可行性評估才有後續的一個興建的一個工程的一個推動所以這個第一步非常重要是不是在地方彰化縣政府如果有提送這個可行性評估的一個申請補助的時候是不是也請江東部能夠給予支持讓這個計畫可以啟動好我們會用支持的角度來思考這幾件事是好那謝謝部長\n","txt":"謝謝主席請主席邀請陳部長請陳部長部長早本席首先針對有關連續假期我們交通部對於這個交通疏運的情形來請教部長我們知道從9月底的這個教師節一直到10月底就有4個\n連續假日連續假日對於我們這個南北的一個交通運輸應該是面臨很大的一個挑戰那我們已經過了兩個連續假日那以這次中秋節的一個連續假日的一個輸運應該是旅運人士串高峰\n台鐵跟高鐵的一個旅運人士達到了555.8萬的一個人次那在這個部分就是我們交通部這邊對於這個輸運的情況是不是可以做一個簡單的一個報告跟委員報告我們其實都有預先做準備雖然這次的放假跟過去非常的不一樣台灣從來沒有經歷過連續四個的連續假期\n那四個週末都是三天的廉價過去沒有經歷過所以這也很考驗我們透過數據跟AI系統在做大數據分析的過程當中的這個精準度那我們目前也正在驗證當中那我們所做的準備是\n先透過這個運量的預估那再做這個車次的安排跟人力的安排那我們當然就是希望料敵從寬用比較最寬裕的方式來面對整個輸運的狀況那當然輸運的過程一定會有一些變化跟變數\n那當我們在遇到變化跟變數的時候我們的風險點其實每一個單位都有去盤點自己的風險點那遇到風險點的時候該怎麼應變這個其實我們也都有預作準備所以我們在遇到風險的時候我們該怎麼克服其實都有預作準備所以這前面兩三次的這個疏運我們看起來是目前秩序上大致來說還算是良好\n是我們看到就是軌道的一個運輸就是應該都蠻就是說順暢那國道的部分看起來也沒有說特別的用色這兩次是在這兩次看起來其實都蠻有秩序的那也感謝其實國人大家都很配合整個秩序上大家都共同來維護其實蠻順暢\n事實上就是剛剛部長提到這個AI這個大數據的一個提供我覺得這很重要啦因為事實上像我們在地方中部地區我們在就是跑行程的時候我們會特別去看一下有關那個高速公路的這個車流的狀況然後如果是紅色的時候我們就會避免\n上這個國道我想這個對於整個地方就是區域性的一個替代道路的一個規劃或者是這個資訊的一個揭露這個就非常的重要可以讓我們就是這個國道的交通就可以比較順暢所以我覺得這個也是要透過交科技的一個輔助我覺得這非常重要所以這兩次的一個廉價的一個輸運也要感謝我們交通部各單位包括這個\n高鐵台鐵或者是國道等等的交通同仁的一個努力要感謝大家的辛苦那接下來我想請教一下是我們知道這個會期就是預算的會期我們就是要審這個明年度的一個預算那本席有注意到在9月18號的時候我們的伍次長應該是在記者會上有提到交通部這個公共工程的預算明年度少了一半\n那这个少了一半的数字很庞大那我不晓得说这样这个状况是确实是这样子吗那如果是真的少了一半未来对我们交通部在推动重大交通建设的时候会有什么影响是不是可以说明一下\n是 報告委員在今年跟明年是整個交通部在交通建設上面公共建設的工程預算的比較高峰期今年跟明年那包含地方捷運的需求在今年跟明年也是最高峰的階段那很不幸剛好我們遇到了這個才化法的這個修訂跟修正那中央\n不會其實我們在這個整體的預算的規模來講的話確實是比較吃緊那也就是說我們在整體的預算到達需求到達高峰的時候我們的預算沒有辦法跟著拉上去甚至有可能會有一些減少\n那這個部分對我們來講其實也就會比較困擾一點尤其是對於地方的補助因為過去中央確實有一些餘力跟力氣跟力量就統籌分配款就均衡台灣的角度來分配給地方來協助地方做一些建設\n那現在因為透過財化法的這個分配之後其實中央這方面的利器跟力道其實相對於過去是減少了不少那我們自己的交通部自己的工程預算我們自己也正在盤點那哪些工程會受到影響會延後的部分我們也正在盤點當中那對於地方的補助我們也正在審慎的評估未來該怎麼樣去因應地方的補助的需求\n是就是我們也希望就是在有限的裁員能夠發揮最大的一個效益那當然就是過去同仇分配稅款由中央就是來做一個執行的時候就是對於均衡台灣的話可以有比較彈性的一個運用那其實我們看過去就是在蔡總統執政一直到現在賴總統執政其實對於\n各地方的一個補助我們的感受就是真的是沒有再分政黨那以彰化縣來看其實目前彰化縣有好幾件的重大交通建設在進行當中那已經有完工的就是東張道路從花壇一直到二水這條道路的一個新闢讓彰化縣的一個縱向的一個交通更加的一個順暢\n那我們看到這個大概分了三段那就是一整條的一個道路整個我們在中央補助款就是都高達到80%就是有80%有50%那50%這部分應該就是用地徵收費是有地方政府負擔比較多的一個部分那包括目前和美的美寮路這個生活圈道路的一個\n已經剛動工在進行當中我們的中央也是高達81%的一個補助款所以有中央的一個挹注對地方交通建設的一個推行才能夠順利的一個完成所以我們在擔心說未來我們在就是中央的這個經費在少了之後未來對整個地方交通建設一個推動是不是就是會有受到很大的一個局限跟限制\n報告委員確實我們交通部目前我們自己的工程預算也有減少也有不足的地方那當然對於地方的補助對我們來說就會相對比較吃力一點那這個吃力的狀況我們目前也正在盤點說未來在有限的資源裡面我們該怎麼樣去協助地方那不過要很坦誠的說未來的資源也會減少那金額也一定會減少所以我們能夠資源的這個佔比您所說的這個\n像河美鎮的美寮路的這個拓寬工程中央協助到了81%那未來在這樣子的工程方面我們大概就會沒有辦法有這樣的力道\n是當然就是說我們對於站在地方的角度我們都希望就是說重大建設能夠順利的一個進行跟完成那如果說少了中央的一個挹注的話不曉得地方是不是有那個能力來完成那當然就是說在中央剛剛部長也有說會審慎的評估所以我們也希望未來再有這個就是裁員\n充裕就是說可以運用的狀況之下對地方的一個補助還是要請交通部大力的一個支持當然有足夠的力量我們當然是全力會協助地方是那因為我們就是說在目前整個大的一個縱向和橫向的交通建設幾乎都完成或者是已經在進行當中那對於整個地方\n平景交通平景的一個打通還是要陸續的去完成那目前之前在去年我們有透過交通委員會的一個考察的幾個地點就是包括高鐵彰化站的周邊地區的聯絡道路就是高鐵橋下的一個橫向就是東西向的一個道路的一個新闢還有\n田尾富隆路的一个拓宽还有就是园林市的大劳路拓宽这是临近临错渣道的一个联络道路还有第三个就是园林大道的延伸道三角路137线这就是可以疏解园林市区的交通流量的这个道路这三件都已经在交通委员会安排考察的时候都已经有看过了\n那應該就是目前不曉得彰化縣政府是不是有提報那個可行性評估的計畫跟我們報告一下這個部分我再確認一下但是因為今年生活圈的一個審議的部分因為之前預算通過的比較晚所以目前這個局裡面在辦理這個審議那這三個案子我再這個就是說再回去確認一下\n那如果說這個帳號簽證我還沒提的我問他我們會來這個促請他這個提出我們再來依規定再來做審議\n是因為就是說要先做一個可行性評估才有後續的一個興建的一個工程的一個推動所以這個第一步非常重要是不是在地方彰化縣政府如果有提送這個可行性評估的一個申請補助的時候是不是也請江東部能夠給予支持讓這個計畫可以啟動好我們會用支持的角度來思考這幾件事是好那謝謝部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.173 --> 00:07.254\n謝謝主席請主席邀請陳部長請陳部長部長早本席首先針對有關連續假期我們交通部對於這個交通疏運的情形來請教部長我們知道從9月底的這個教師節一直到10月底就有4個\n\n00:32.243 --> 00:36.807\n連續假日連續假日對於我們這個南北的一個交通運輸應該是面臨很大的一個挑戰那我們已經過了兩個連續假日那以這次中秋節的一個連續假日的一個輸運應該是旅運人士串高峰\n\n00:50.579 --> 01:10.428\n台鐵跟高鐵的一個旅運人士達到了555.8萬的一個人次那在這個部分就是我們交通部這邊對於這個輸運的情況是不是可以做一個簡單的一個報告跟委員報告我們其實都有預先做準備雖然這次的放假跟過去非常的不一樣台灣從來沒有經歷過連續四個的連續假期\n\n01:14.332 --> 01:29.703\n那四個週末都是三天的廉價過去沒有經歷過所以這也很考驗我們透過數據跟AI系統在做大數據分析的過程當中的這個精準度那我們目前也正在驗證當中那我們所做的準備是\n\n01:30.203 --> 01:45.544\n先透過這個運量的預估那再做這個車次的安排跟人力的安排那我們當然就是希望料敵從寬用比較最寬裕的方式來面對整個輸運的狀況那當然輸運的過程一定會有一些變化跟變數\n\n01:46.485 --> 02:09.265\n那當我們在遇到變化跟變數的時候我們的風險點其實每一個單位都有去盤點自己的風險點那遇到風險點的時候該怎麼應變這個其實我們也都有預作準備所以我們在遇到風險的時候我們該怎麼克服其實都有預作準備所以這前面兩三次的這個疏運我們看起來是目前秩序上大致來說還算是良好\n\n02:09.881 --> 02:29.168\n是我們看到就是軌道的一個運輸就是應該都蠻就是說順暢那國道的部分看起來也沒有說特別的用色這兩次是在這兩次看起來其實都蠻有秩序的那也感謝其實國人大家都很配合整個秩序上大家都共同來維護其實蠻順暢\n\n02:30.889 --> 02:50.354\n事實上就是剛剛部長提到這個AI這個大數據的一個提供我覺得這很重要啦因為事實上像我們在地方中部地區我們在就是跑行程的時候我們會特別去看一下有關那個高速公路的這個車流的狀況然後如果是紅色的時候我們就會避免\n\n02:51.094 --> 03:18.252\n上這個國道我想這個對於整個地方就是區域性的一個替代道路的一個規劃或者是這個資訊的一個揭露這個就非常的重要可以讓我們就是這個國道的交通就可以比較順暢所以我覺得這個也是要透過交科技的一個輔助我覺得這非常重要所以這兩次的一個廉價的一個輸運也要感謝我們交通部各單位包括這個\n\n03:18.952 --> 03:46.928\n高鐵台鐵或者是國道等等的交通同仁的一個努力要感謝大家的辛苦那接下來我想請教一下是我們知道這個會期就是預算的會期我們就是要審這個明年度的一個預算那本席有注意到在9月18號的時候我們的伍次長應該是在記者會上有提到交通部這個公共工程的預算明年度少了一半\n\n03:47.828 --> 04:02.709\n那这个少了一半的数字很庞大那我不晓得说这样这个状况是确实是这样子吗那如果是真的少了一半未来对我们交通部在推动重大交通建设的时候会有什么影响是不是可以说明一下\n\n04:03.089 --> 04:23.290\n是報告委員在今年跟明年是整個交通部在交通建設上面公共建設的工程預算的比較高峰期今年跟明年那包含地方捷運的需求在今年跟明年也是最高峰的階段那很不幸剛好我們遇到了這個才化法的這個修訂跟修正那中央\n\n04:23.891 --> 04:39.904\n不會其實我們在這個整體的預算的規模來講的話確實是比較吃緊那也就是說我們在整體的預算到達需求到達高峰的時候我們的預算沒有辦法跟著拉上去甚至有可能會有一些減少\n\n04:40.945 --> 04:57.705\n那這個部分對我們來講其實也就會比較困擾一點尤其是對於地方的補助因為過去中央確實有一些餘力跟力氣跟力量就統籌分配款就均衡台灣的角度來分配給地方來協助地方做一些建設\n\n04:58.786 --> 05:26.494\n那現在因為透過財化法的這個分配之後其實中央這方面的利器跟力道其實相對於過去是減少了不少那我們自己的交通部自己的工程預算我們自己也正在盤點那哪些工程會受到影響會延後的部分我們也正在盤點當中那對於地方的補助我們也正在審慎的評估未來該怎麼樣去因應地方的補助的需求\n\n05:27.228 --> 05:48.896\n是就是我們也希望就是在有限的裁員能夠發揮最大的一個效益那當然就是過去同仇分配稅款由中央就是來做一個執行的時候就是對於均衡台灣的話可以有比較彈性的一個運用那其實我們看過去就是在蔡總統執政一直到現在賴總統執政其實對於\n\n05:52.257 --> 06:16.313\n各地方的一個補助我們的感受就是真的是沒有再分政黨那以彰化縣來看其實目前彰化縣有好幾件的重大交通建設在進行當中那已經有完工的就是東張道路從花壇一直到二水這條道路的一個新闢讓彰化縣的一個縱向的一個交通更加的一個順暢\n\n06:17.233 --> 06:40.681\n那我們看到這個大概分了三段那就是一整條的一個道路整個我們在中央補助款就是都高達到80%就是有80%有50%那50%這部分應該就是用地徵收費是有地方政府負擔比較多的一個部分那包括目前和美的美寮路這個生活圈道路的一個\n\n06:41.661 --> 07:10.553\n已經剛動工在進行當中我們的中央也是高達81%的一個補助款所以有中央的一個挹注對地方交通建設的一個推行才能夠順利的一個完成所以我們在擔心說未來我們在就是中央的這個經費在少了之後未來對整個地方交通建設一個推動是不是就是會有受到很大的一個局限跟限制\n\n07:11.213 --> 07:38.946\n報告委員確實我們交通部目前我們自己的工程預算也有減少也有不足的地方那當然對於地方的補助對我們來說就會相對比較吃力一點那這個吃力的狀況我們目前也正在盤點說未來在有限的資源裡面我們該怎麼樣去協助地方那不過要很坦誠的說未來的資源也會減少那金額也一定會減少所以我們能夠資源的這個佔比您所說的這個\n\n07:40.046 --> 07:50.095\n像河美鎮的美寮路的這個拓寬工程中央協助到了81%那未來在這樣子的工程方面我們大概就會沒有辦法有這樣的力道\n\n07:50.825 --> 08:15.437\n是當然就是說我們對於站在地方的角度我們都希望就是說重大建設能夠順利的一個進行跟完成那如果說少了中央的一個挹注的話不曉得地方是不是有那個能力來完成那當然就是說在中央剛剛部長也有說會審慎的評估所以我們也希望未來再有這個就是裁員\n\n08:16.718 --> 08:38.018\n充裕就是說可以運用的狀況之下對地方的一個補助還是要請交通部大力的一個支持當然有足夠的力量我們當然是全力會協助地方是那因為我們就是說在目前整個大的一個縱向和橫向的交通建設幾乎都完成或者是已經在進行當中那對於整個地方\n\n08:38.999 --> 09:00.797\n平景交通平景的一個打通還是要陸續的去完成那目前之前在去年我們有透過交通委員會的一個考察的幾個地點就是包括高鐵彰化站的周邊地區的聯絡道路就是高鐵橋下的一個橫向就是東西向的一個道路的一個新闢還有\n\n09:03.106 --> 09:26.377\n田尾富隆路的一个拓宽还有就是园林市的大劳路拓宽这是临近临错渣道的一个联络道路还有第三个就是园林大道的延伸道三角路137线这就是可以疏解园林市区的交通流量的这个道路这三件都已经在交通委员会安排考察的时候都已经有看过了\n\n09:26.977 --> 09:51.799\n那應該就是目前不曉得彰化縣政府是不是有提報那個可行性評估的計畫跟我們報告一下這個部分我再確認一下但是因為今年生活圈的一個審議的部分因為之前預算通過的比較晚所以目前這個局裡面在辦理這個審議那這三個案子我再這個就是說再回去確認一下\n\n09:52.600 --> 09:55.024\n那如果說這個帳號簽證我還沒提的我問他我們會來這個促請他這個提出我們再來依規定再來做審議\n\n10:01.204 --> 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提出，我們再依規定審議。"],["陳委員素月：好，因為要先做一個可行性評估，才有後續的興建工程的推動，這第一步非常重要，所以如果彰化縣政府有提送可行性評估，申請補助的時候，是不是也請交通部能夠給予支持，讓這個計畫可以啟動？"],["陳部長世凱：好，我們會用支持的角度來思考這幾件事。"],["陳委員素月：好，謝謝部長。"],["陳部長世凱：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝陳素月委員。","現在請何欣純委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":70,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-23-2","speakers":["李昆澤","洪孟楷","林國成","徐富癸","蔡其昌","魯明哲","林俊憲","陳素月","何欣純","許智傑","黃健豪","廖先翔","陳雪生","黃國昌","邱若華","陳俊宇","牛煦庭","吳宗憲","李柏毅","蔡易餘","游顥","葉元之","陳冠廷","蘇清泉","賴惠員"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-10-08"],"gazette_id":"1148101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148101_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第2次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、邀請交通部部長陳世凱就「十月\n各連續假期疏運執行及規劃情形」進行專題報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1148101_00001"}}}