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00:00:03,346\n好謝謝趙偉我們請陳部長請陳部長\n\n2\n00:00:14,250 --> 00:00:39,458\n在進入我今天的質詢之前我先關心兩件地方的建設第一個是我們很多人都在擔憂我們高鐵台中站的周邊的交通的狀況我想我已經在這裡質詢應該是第三第四次那我們也實地上去會勘考察過那高鐵特區的周遭的一個道路那我想鐵道局來楊局長\n\n3\n00:00:41,639 --> 00:01:08,356\n當時考察的時候會談的時候局長也有到現場喔那我們有提到幾個短中長期的方案喔那短期之間呢我們跟台中市政府有做了一個所謂的橫向的聯席的一個專案小組那楊局長在裡面那請問一下你們專案小組開了幾次會現在對短期的方案要怎麼做可以怎麼做以你們的交通專業\n\n4\n00:01:12,649 --> 00:01:36,115\n跟委員報告專案小組我們開過三次會議最近一次是什麼時候第一次應該是在去年的11月第一次11月那第二次第三次最近一次第三次那今年的1月跟今年的4月今年的1月跟今年的10月那現在是10月所以有半年沒有開會了都有開過會好半年沒有開會專案小組我為什麼會這樣講\n\n5\n00:01:38,135 --> 00:01:57,413\n我們今天的專案的主題叫做廉價的一個交通的問題那高鐵的台中站是我們全國高鐵站裡面最繁忙人數旅客數最多運量最高的站那周遭的一個交通在廉價時間是非常的\n\n6\n00:01:58,394 --> 00:02:09,767\n繁忙而且交通回堵到不管是到74號或者是周邊的交通那當然我也很高興要肯定說這一次高鐵的這個廉價的輸運沒有發生這個大排長龍的狀況表示我們有一些短期的一個因應措施是有奏效\n\n7\n00:02:16,815 --> 00:02:36,368\n但是周邊的交通就要靠我們鐵道局跟台中市政府地方政府這個專案小組要密切的合作才能夠就短期內這個廉價的一個交通的輸運做一個很好的因應所以我才會在今天再詢問我們局長第二個短期的\n\n8\n00:02:37,288 --> 00:02:58,978\n因應之後就要中長期包括我曾經提到中期對於我們這一個台鐵的大慶到新烏日站的這一個鐵路高架化的工程到底能不能趕快來進行因為上次質詢你告訴我要需要如果真的拍板定案到動工到未來完成可能需要七八年的時間\n\n9\n00:03:00,819 --> 00:03:13,273\n我認為這七八年的時間就會讓台中市民整個高鐵特區周遭的交通大亂而且會回堵而且會是一個災難那我們現在要趕快要處理嘛要因應嘛對不對那長期當然有人提到這個74號要再多開一個閘道拉到這個高鐵站\n\n10\n00:03:21,022 --> 00:03:32,288\n那也有人提到說要這個高工舉要做這個國道一號的要開一個閘道連外道路到這個高鐵站那這個我不知道評估結果是什麼\n\n11\n00:03:32,945 --> 00:03:54,563\n跟委員報告補充一下剛剛是三次的平台會議那我們在5月跟7月都有在跟台中市政府5月7月都有在開對再跟個別去做一些個案的這個研商那第一個就是國醫的這個閘道我們已經補助台中市政府97萬由他們去辦理相可行性的研究如果有結果就跟高工局來提出大概什麼時候會有結果還不知道\n\n12\n00:03:56,544 --> 00:04:15,612\n這個結果部分我再了解之後跟我們報告那第二個就是台74線這個要銜接高鐵二樓這個閘道那經過兩次會議的協調台中市政府也原則上同意可以按照那個公路局的一個偵測閘道的這個要點的程序跟公路局這邊來去提出後續的這樣\n\n13\n00:04:16,452 --> 00:04:23,919\n相關的這些申請跟研究的動作提出申請那先前的評估呢評估是台中市政府做還是你們做台中市政府做那我會提醒喔這個雜道銜接如果專業的評估是可以那我也支持但是切記\n\n14\n00:04:35,209 --> 00:05:00,860\n如果銜接完之後那個閘道未來的交通運量車流量高的時候又會回堵到74號沒有針對74號的快速道路做一個通盤的一個評估的話我是提醒喔不要兩邊的閘道通通回堵上回到這個74號那會是又是另外一個大問題整個高鐵台中站區最根本的問題也就是說進跟出要得到一個平衡\n\n15\n00:05:01,900 --> 00:05:16,937\n那基本上我們當初的這個開發案有補助700萬讓台中市政府在做整體的這個交通的這個動線跟整個人流量車流量的這個相關的估算我想我們會繼續跟台中市政府這邊來做合作局長\n\n16\n00:05:18,138 --> 00:05:32,022\n要拜託你這個專案小組跟地方政府要再密切的溝通那部長你也是在地出身的所以你也最了解這個高鐵特區周遭的一個交通環境我們是要區域性的來解決這個問題部長\n\n17\n00:05:34,003 --> 00:06:02,598\n我們跟地方一定要合作要解決包委員我們當然會跟地方來合作但是要有一個觀念就是說高鐵周邊的道路其實都是地方轄管所以地方政府其實要負起很大的責任我們會出錢補助協助他們來做研究未來整個延期方案由地方政府來做我們中央一定全力來配合這部分沒有問題我有在研究我也有方案未來中央要支持好不好我們會支持好我們一起來解決高鐵客區如果在專業可行方面是沒有問題我們一定支持\n\n18\n00:06:03,138 --> 00:06:19,654\n該是地方政府該是聯外道路要打通要拓寬這個地方政府該有了責任這個我也相信市民會支持那中央也要有責任來補助我地方政府嘛好不好補助台中市嘛那我有方案提出我有解決的這個\n\n19\n00:06:21,595 --> 00:06:39,309\n整個區域交通的一個解決方案的話要中央來支持未來交通的例如說拓寬要看道路的特性然後再來我們中央有多少力氣我會循部長您說的程序上只要是不管是交通部可以補助或是內政部可以補助我都會來尋求拜託部會來支持好不好好第二個是\n\n20\n00:06:43,692 --> 00:07:03,912\n部長我曾經跟你提過這個南台中另外一個交通瓶頸就是74號銜接國道3號國道6號那邊所以我提一個這個中投63號的一個銜接國道3號的高架系統化的一個閘道的一個交流道的工程那聽說啦我聽公路局請公路局\n\n21\n00:07:08,325 --> 00:07:16,075\n我聽說啦我聽說這個有送到部裡面啊部也送到行政院行政院又退回來給部裡面是不是來來來來局長各位報告那我們有在修正在向上這個呈送\n\n22\n00:07:26,294 --> 00:07:42,776\n我拜託快一點好不好那修正完之後的一個解方到底要如何的解決這一個工程的問題因為整個廉價的這個輸運我發現現在國人這個出國旅對不起出外旅遊是一日遊\n\n23\n00:07:43,217 --> 00:08:07,268\n那一日有以中張頭來看的話那國道3號國道6號跟74號線那裡是我們中部地區的一個旅遊交通的一個非常嚴重的一個瓶頸那經常塞車那尤其是禮拜六禮拜天就塞在那邊所以我也希望說如果能夠有另外一個分流的解方就是我提的63號線銜接國道3號的高架系統化\n\n24\n00:08:11,429 --> 00:08:37,980\n讓國人旅遊他可以選擇另外一項車流回台中市也好或者是相關的一個運輸的方案也好我想這個是中央一定可以支持的所以我也請部長支持好不好委員這個建議非常好我確實也覺得那個地方有這樣改善的需求那我們目前正在修正方案那當時院那邊退回來其實有一些修正的建議我們依照他的建議再送上去那希望能夠趕快得到核定\n\n25\n00:08:38,260 --> 00:09:04,218\n好那最後一個是在於我們這一次這個很多網路上的謠言對於所謂的交通新規都說是10月起有一些交通上的新規定那謠言很多那當然我們很感謝有媒體在他的這個頁面上跟我們說有謠言終結站來破解相關的網路謠言但是呢我們看到這個\n\n26\n00:09:05,539 --> 00:09:23,854\n地方的群組傳好多好多下一頁包括最近10月起全台國道服務區的測速開罰1.2萬加扣牌雖然我知道我們在我們的網站上有回應但是部長你覺得我們只有在自己的網站上回應這樣夠嗎\n\n27\n00:09:25,655 --> 00:09:44,284\n因為我光是在地方群組已經看到好多個然後呢都說是中央搶錢然後呢全台國道的服務區為什麼我特別提這一件因為廉價的時候國旅我們有六成以上的國人是自己開車開車上國道一定會中間選擇休息站來休息嘛\n\n28\n00:09:45,004 --> 00:10:13,239\n這是一個中繼站休息站那我們最近這一次連假國道服務區的這個經濟很夯聽說營收創新高表示什麼國人很多人會選擇去國道休息站休息跟去逛一逛那這樣子的謠言讓大家很多人覺得說中央真的是我們立法委員修了這個新的交通規定所以要跟民眾搶錢部長像這樣子網路謠言要如何快速確實的\n\n29\n00:10:14,900 --> 00:10:36,461\n說清楚報告委員因為謠言實在很多會透過多元的管道不只是網路的一個圖卡我們也希望用圖卡透過社群的方式或者是透過大家的LINE群組的方式拜託大家去幫忙推廣新的事實的狀態是那部長那我可不可以先要求從交通部的相關單位跟同仁自己做起\n\n30\n00:10:37,445 --> 00:10:59,096\n這個我們會做我們要建立起這個圖卡你做的你要闢謠那你要有出去的管道啊你如果只有在自己的網頁上跟大家澄清有幾個人會去看那我們如果要透過LINE的群組快速的反應跟快速的澄清我們自己交通部的自己的同仁是不是可以先做起從自己的身上所有的地方群組開始發送我們盡量來做\n\n31\n00:11:02,017 --> 00:11:21,915\n我覺得不是只有這一個謠言是我們有很多交通部相關的網路謠言我們都應該要從自己自身做起養成什麼轉傳正確的資訊給市民給各個地方的群組這個是我們可以做的也應該要做的好不好這個我們來努力好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2984\t3346\t好謝謝趙偉我們請陳部長請陳部長\n14250\t39458\t在進入我今天的質詢之前我先關心兩件地方的建設第一個是我們很多人都在擔憂我們高鐵台中站的周邊的交通的狀況我想我已經在這裡質詢應該是第三第四次那我們也實地上去會勘考察過那高鐵特區的周遭的一個道路那我想鐵道局來楊局長\n41639\t68356\t當時考察的時候會談的時候局長也有到現場喔那我們有提到幾個短中長期的方案喔那短期之間呢我們跟台中市政府有做了一個所謂的橫向的聯席的一個專案小組那楊局長在裡面那請問一下你們專案小組開了幾次會現在對短期的方案要怎麼做可以怎麼做以你們的交通專業\n72649\t96115\t跟委員報告專案小組我們開過三次會議最近一次是什麼時候第一次應該是在去年的11月第一次11月那第二次第三次最近一次第三次那今年的1月跟今年的4月今年的1月跟今年的10月那現在是10月所以有半年沒有開會了都有開過會好 半年沒有開會專案小組我為什麼會這樣講\n98135\t117413\t我們今天的專案的主題叫做廉價的一個交通的問題那高鐵的台中站是我們全國高鐵站裡面最繁忙人數旅客數最多 運量最高的站那周遭的一個交通在廉價時間是非常的\n118394\t129767\t繁忙而且交通回堵到不管是到74號或者是周邊的交通那當然我也很高興要肯定說這一次高鐵的這個廉價的輸運沒有發生這個大排長龍的狀況表示我們有一些短期的一個因應措施是有奏效\n136815\t156368\t但是周邊的交通就要靠我們鐵道局跟台中市政府地方政府這個專案小組要密切的合作才能夠就短期內這個廉價的一個交通的輸運做一個很好的因應所以我才會在今天再詢問我們局長第二個短期的\n157288\t178978\t因應之後就要中長期包括我曾經提到中期對於我們這一個台鐵的大慶到新烏日站的這一個鐵路高架化的工程到底能不能趕快來進行因為上次質詢你告訴我要需要如果真的拍板定案到動工到未來完成可能需要七八年的時間\n180819\t193273\t我認為這七八年的時間就會讓台中市民整個高鐵特區周遭的交通大亂而且會回堵而且會是一個災難那我們現在要趕快要處理嘛要因應嘛對不對那長期當然有人提到這個74號要再多開一個閘道拉到這個高鐵站\n201022\t212288\t那也有人提到說要這個高工舉要做這個國道一號的要開一個閘道連外道路到這個高鐵站那這個我不知道評估結果是什麼\n212945\t234563\t跟委員報告補充一下剛剛是三次的平台會議那我們在5月跟7月都有在跟台中市政府5月7月都有在開對 再跟個別去做一些個案的這個研商那第一個就是國醫的這個閘道我們已經補助台中市政府97萬由他們去辦理相可行性的研究如果有結果就跟高工局來提出大概什麼時候會有結果還不知道\n236544\t255612\t這個結果部分我再了解之後跟我們報告那第二個就是台74線這個要銜接高鐵二樓這個閘道那經過兩次會議的協調台中市政府也原則上同意可以按照那個公路局的一個偵測閘道的這個要點的程序跟公路局這邊來去提出後續的這樣\n256452\t263919\t相關的這些申請跟研究的動作提出申請那先前的評估呢評估是台中市政府做還是你們做台中市政府做那我會提醒喔這個雜道銜接如果專業的評估是可以那我也支持但是切記\n275209\t300860\t如果銜接完之後那個閘道未來的交通運量車流量高的時候又會回堵到74號沒有針對74號的快速道路做一個通盤的一個評估的話我是提醒喔不要兩邊的閘道通通回堵上回到這個74號那會是又是另外一個大問題整個高鐵台中站區最根本的問題也就是說進跟出要得到一個平衡\n301900\t316937\t那基本上我們當初的這個開發案有補助700萬讓台中市政府在做整體的這個交通的這個動線跟整個人流量車流量的這個相關的估算我想我們會繼續跟台中市政府這邊來做合作局長\n318138\t332022\t要拜託你這個專案小組跟地方政府要再密切的溝通那部長你也是在地出身的所以你也最了解這個高鐵特區周遭的一個交通環境我們是要區域性的來解決這個問題部長\n334003\t362598\t我們跟地方一定要合作要解決包委員我們當然會跟地方來合作但是要有一個觀念就是說高鐵周邊的道路其實都是地方轄管所以地方政府其實要負起很大的責任我們會出錢補助協助他們來做研究未來整個延期方案由地方政府來做我們中央一定全力來配合這部分沒有問題我有在研究我也有方案未來中央要支持好不好我們會支持好我們一起來解決高鐵客區如果在專業可行方面是沒有問題我們一定支持\n363138\t379654\t該是地方政府該是聯外道路要打通要拓寬這個地方政府該有了責任這個我也相信市民會支持那中央也要有責任來補助我地方政府嘛好不好補助台中市嘛那我有方案提出我有解決的這個\n381595\t399309\t整個區域交通的一個解決方案的話要中央來支持未來交通的例如說拓寬要看道路的特性然後再來我們中央有多少力氣我會循部長您說的程序上只要是不管是交通部可以補助或是內政部可以補助我都會來尋求拜託部會來支持好不好好 第二個是\n403692\t423912\t部長我曾經跟你提過這個南台中另外一個交通瓶頸就是74號銜接國道3號國道6號那邊所以我提一個這個中投63號的一個銜接國道3號的高架系統化的一個閘道的一個交流道的工程那聽說啦我聽公路局請公路局\n428325\t436075\t我聽說啦我聽說這個有送到部裡面啊部也送到行政院行政院又退回來給部裡面是不是來來來來局長各位報告那我們有在修正在向上這個呈送\n446294\t462776\t我拜託快一點好不好那修正完之後的一個解方到底要如何的解決這一個工程的問題因為整個廉價的這個輸運我發現現在國人這個出國旅 對不起出外旅遊是一日遊\n463217\t487268\t那一日有以中張頭來看的話那國道3號國道6號跟74號線那裡是我們中部地區的一個旅遊交通的一個非常嚴重的一個瓶頸那經常塞車那尤其是禮拜六禮拜天就塞在那邊所以我也希望說如果能夠有另外一個分流的解方就是我提的63號線銜接國道3號的高架系統化\n491429\t517980\t讓國人旅遊他可以選擇另外一項車流回台中市也好或者是相關的一個運輸的方案也好我想這個是中央一定可以支持的所以我也請部長支持好不好委員這個建議非常好我確實也覺得那個地方有這樣改善的需求那我們目前正在修正方案那當時院那邊退回來其實有一些修正的建議我們依照他的建議再送上去那希望能夠趕快得到核定\n518260\t544218\t好那最後一個是在於我們這一次這個很多網路上的謠言對於所謂的交通新規都說是10月起有一些交通上的新規定那謠言很多那當然我們很感謝有媒體在他的這個頁面上跟我們說有謠言終結站來破解相關的網路謠言但是呢我們看到這個\n545539\t563854\t地方的群組傳好多好多下一頁包括最近10月起全台國道服務區的測速開罰1.2萬加扣牌雖然我知道我們在我們的網站上有回應但是部長你覺得我們只有在自己的網站上回應這樣夠嗎\n565655\t584284\t因為我光是在地方群組已經看到好多個然後呢都說是中央搶錢然後呢全台國道的服務區為什麼我特別提這一件因為廉價的時候國旅我們有六成以上的國人是自己開車開車上國道一定會中間選擇休息站來休息嘛\n585004\t613239\t這是一個中繼站休息站那我們最近這一次連假國道服務區的這個經濟很夯聽說營收創新高表示什麼國人很多人會選擇去國道休息站休息跟去逛一逛那這樣子的謠言讓大家很多人覺得說中央真的是我們立法委員修了這個新的交通規定所以要跟民眾搶錢部長像這樣子網路謠言要如何快速確實的\n614900\t636461\t說清楚報告委員因為謠言實在很多會透過多元的管道不只是網路的一個圖卡我們也希望用圖卡透過社群的方式或者是透過大家的LINE群組的方式拜託大家去幫忙推廣新的事實的狀態是那部長那我可不可以先要求從交通部的相關單位跟同仁自己做起\n637445\t659096\t這個我們會做我們要建立起這個圖卡你做的你要闢謠那你要有出去的管道啊你如果只有在自己的網頁上跟大家澄清有幾個人會去看那我們如果要透過LINE的群組快速的反應跟快速的澄清我們自己交通部的自己的同仁是不是可以先做起從自己的身上所有的地方群組開始發送我們盡量來做\n662017\t681915\t我覺得不是只有這一個謠言是我們有很多交通部相關的網路謠言我們都應該要從自己自身做起養成什麼轉傳正確的資訊給市民給各個地方的群組這個是我們可以做的也應該要做的好不好這個我們來努力好 謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"好謝謝趙偉我們請陳部長請陳部長\n在進入我今天的質詢之前我先關心兩件地方的建設第一個是我們很多人都在擔憂我們高鐵台中站的周邊的交通的狀況我想我已經在這裡質詢應該是第三第四次那我們也實地上去會勘考察過那高鐵特區的周遭的一個道路那我想鐵道局來楊局長\n當時考察的時候會談的時候局長也有到現場喔那我們有提到幾個短中長期的方案喔那短期之間呢我們跟台中市政府有做了一個所謂的橫向的聯席的一個專案小組那楊局長在裡面那請問一下你們專案小組開了幾次會現在對短期的方案要怎麼做可以怎麼做以你們的交通專業\n跟委員報告專案小組我們開過三次會議最近一次是什麼時候第一次應該是在去年的11月第一次11月那第二次第三次最近一次第三次那今年的1月跟今年的4月今年的1月跟今年的10月那現在是10月所以有半年沒有開會了都有開過會好 半年沒有開會專案小組我為什麼會這樣講\n我們今天的專案的主題叫做廉價的一個交通的問題那高鐵的台中站是我們全國高鐵站裡面最繁忙人數旅客數最多 運量最高的站那周遭的一個交通在廉價時間是非常的\n繁忙而且交通回堵到不管是到74號或者是周邊的交通那當然我也很高興要肯定說這一次高鐵的這個廉價的輸運沒有發生這個大排長龍的狀況表示我們有一些短期的一個因應措施是有奏效\n但是周邊的交通就要靠我們鐵道局跟台中市政府地方政府這個專案小組要密切的合作才能夠就短期內這個廉價的一個交通的輸運做一個很好的因應所以我才會在今天再詢問我們局長第二個短期的\n因應之後就要中長期包括我曾經提到中期對於我們這一個台鐵的大慶到新烏日站的這一個鐵路高架化的工程到底能不能趕快來進行因為上次質詢你告訴我要需要如果真的拍板定案到動工到未來完成可能需要七八年的時間\n我認為這七八年的時間就會讓台中市民整個高鐵特區周遭的交通大亂而且會回堵而且會是一個災難那我們現在要趕快要處理嘛要因應嘛對不對那長期當然有人提到這個74號要再多開一個閘道拉到這個高鐵站\n那也有人提到說要這個高工舉要做這個國道一號的要開一個閘道連外道路到這個高鐵站那這個我不知道評估結果是什麼\n跟委員報告補充一下剛剛是三次的平台會議那我們在5月跟7月都有在跟台中市政府5月7月都有在開對 再跟個別去做一些個案的這個研商那第一個就是國醫的這個閘道我們已經補助台中市政府97萬由他們去辦理相可行性的研究如果有結果就跟高工局來提出大概什麼時候會有結果還不知道\n這個結果部分我再了解之後跟我們報告那第二個就是台74線這個要銜接高鐵二樓這個閘道那經過兩次會議的協調台中市政府也原則上同意可以按照那個公路局的一個偵測閘道的這個要點的程序跟公路局這邊來去提出後續的這樣\n相關的這些申請跟研究的動作提出申請那先前的評估呢評估是台中市政府做還是你們做台中市政府做那我會提醒喔這個雜道銜接如果專業的評估是可以那我也支持但是切記\n如果銜接完之後那個閘道未來的交通運量車流量高的時候又會回堵到74號沒有針對74號的快速道路做一個通盤的一個評估的話我是提醒喔不要兩邊的閘道通通回堵上回到這個74號那會是又是另外一個大問題整個高鐵台中站區最根本的問題也就是說進跟出要得到一個平衡\n那基本上我們當初的這個開發案有補助700萬讓台中市政府在做整體的這個交通的這個動線跟整個人流量車流量的這個相關的估算我想我們會繼續跟台中市政府這邊來做合作局長\n要拜託你這個專案小組跟地方政府要再密切的溝通那部長你也是在地出身的所以你也最了解這個高鐵特區周遭的一個交通環境我們是要區域性的來解決這個問題部長\n我們跟地方一定要合作要解決包委員我們當然會跟地方來合作但是要有一個觀念就是說高鐵周邊的道路其實都是地方轄管所以地方政府其實要負起很大的責任我們會出錢補助協助他們來做研究未來整個延期方案由地方政府來做我們中央一定全力來配合這部分沒有問題我有在研究我也有方案未來中央要支持好不好我們會支持好我們一起來解決高鐵客區如果在專業可行方面是沒有問題我們一定支持\n該是地方政府該是聯外道路要打通要拓寬這個地方政府該有了責任這個我也相信市民會支持那中央也要有責任來補助我地方政府嘛好不好補助台中市嘛那我有方案提出我有解決的這個\n整個區域交通的一個解決方案的話要中央來支持未來交通的例如說拓寬要看道路的特性然後再來我們中央有多少力氣我會循部長您說的程序上只要是不管是交通部可以補助或是內政部可以補助我都會來尋求拜託部會來支持好不好好 第二個是\n部長我曾經跟你提過這個南台中另外一個交通瓶頸就是74號銜接國道3號國道6號那邊所以我提一個這個中投63號的一個銜接國道3號的高架系統化的一個閘道的一個交流道的工程那聽說啦我聽公路局請公路局\n我聽說啦我聽說這個有送到部裡面啊部也送到行政院行政院又退回來給部裡面是不是來來來來局長各位報告那我們有在修正在向上這個呈送\n我拜託快一點好不好那修正完之後的一個解方到底要如何的解決這一個工程的問題因為整個廉價的這個輸運我發現現在國人這個出國旅 對不起出外旅遊是一日遊\n那一日有以中張頭來看的話那國道3號國道6號跟74號線那裡是我們中部地區的一個旅遊交通的一個非常嚴重的一個瓶頸那經常塞車那尤其是禮拜六禮拜天就塞在那邊所以我也希望說如果能夠有另外一個分流的解方就是我提的63號線銜接國道3號的高架系統化\n讓國人旅遊他可以選擇另外一項車流回台中市也好或者是相關的一個運輸的方案也好我想這個是中央一定可以支持的所以我也請部長支持好不好委員這個建議非常好我確實也覺得那個地方有這樣改善的需求那我們目前正在修正方案那當時院那邊退回來其實有一些修正的建議我們依照他的建議再送上去那希望能夠趕快得到核定\n好那最後一個是在於我們這一次這個很多網路上的謠言對於所謂的交通新規都說是10月起有一些交通上的新規定那謠言很多那當然我們很感謝有媒體在他的這個頁面上跟我們說有謠言終結站來破解相關的網路謠言但是呢我們看到這個\n地方的群組傳好多好多下一頁包括最近10月起全台國道服務區的測速開罰1.2萬加扣牌雖然我知道我們在我們的網站上有回應但是部長你覺得我們只有在自己的網站上回應這樣夠嗎\n因為我光是在地方群組已經看到好多個然後呢都說是中央搶錢然後呢全台國道的服務區為什麼我特別提這一件因為廉價的時候國旅我們有六成以上的國人是自己開車開車上國道一定會中間選擇休息站來休息嘛\n這是一個中繼站休息站那我們最近這一次連假國道服務區的這個經濟很夯聽說營收創新高表示什麼國人很多人會選擇去國道休息站休息跟去逛一逛那這樣子的謠言讓大家很多人覺得說中央真的是我們立法委員修了這個新的交通規定所以要跟民眾搶錢部長像這樣子網路謠言要如何快速確實的\n說清楚報告委員因為謠言實在很多會透過多元的管道不只是網路的一個圖卡我們也希望用圖卡透過社群的方式或者是透過大家的LINE群組的方式拜託大家去幫忙推廣新的事實的狀態是那部長那我可不可以先要求從交通部的相關單位跟同仁自己做起\n這個我們會做我們要建立起這個圖卡你做的你要闢謠那你要有出去的管道啊你如果只有在自己的網頁上跟大家澄清有幾個人會去看那我們如果要透過LINE的群組快速的反應跟快速的澄清我們自己交通部的自己的同仁是不是可以先做起從自己的身上所有的地方群組開始發送我們盡量來做\n我覺得不是只有這一個謠言是我們有很多交通部相關的網路謠言我們都應該要從自己自身做起養成什麼轉傳正確的資訊給市民給各個地方的群組這個是我們可以做的也應該要做的好不好這個我們來努力好 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03:13.273\n我認為這七八年的時間就會讓台中市民整個高鐵特區周遭的交通大亂而且會回堵而且會是一個災難那我們現在要趕快要處理嘛要因應嘛對不對那長期當然有人提到這個74號要再多開一個閘道拉到這個高鐵站\n\n03:21.022 --> 03:32.288\n那也有人提到說要這個高工舉要做這個國道一號的要開一個閘道連外道路到這個高鐵站那這個我不知道評估結果是什麼\n\n03:32.945 --> 03:54.563\n跟委員報告補充一下剛剛是三次的平台會議那我們在5月跟7月都有在跟台中市政府5月7月都有在開對再跟個別去做一些個案的這個研商那第一個就是國醫的這個閘道我們已經補助台中市政府97萬由他們去辦理相可行性的研究如果有結果就跟高工局來提出大概什麼時候會有結果還不知道\n\n03:56.544 --> 04:15.612\n這個結果部分我再了解之後跟我們報告那第二個就是台74線這個要銜接高鐵二樓這個閘道那經過兩次會議的協調台中市政府也原則上同意可以按照那個公路局的一個偵測閘道的這個要點的程序跟公路局這邊來去提出後續的這樣\n\n04:16.452 --> 04:23.919\n相關的這些申請跟研究的動作提出申請那先前的評估呢評估是台中市政府做還是你們做台中市政府做那我會提醒喔這個雜道銜接如果專業的評估是可以那我也支持但是切記\n\n04:35.209 --> 05:00.860\n如果銜接完之後那個閘道未來的交通運量車流量高的時候又會回堵到74號沒有針對74號的快速道路做一個通盤的一個評估的話我是提醒喔不要兩邊的閘道通通回堵上回到這個74號那會是又是另外一個大問題整個高鐵台中站區最根本的問題也就是說進跟出要得到一個平衡\n\n05:01.900 --> 05:16.937\n那基本上我們當初的這個開發案有補助700萬讓台中市政府在做整體的這個交通的這個動線跟整個人流量車流量的這個相關的估算我想我們會繼續跟台中市政府這邊來做合作局長\n\n05:18.138 --> 05:32.022\n要拜託你這個專案小組跟地方政府要再密切的溝通那部長你也是在地出身的所以你也最了解這個高鐵特區周遭的一個交通環境我們是要區域性的來解決這個問題部長\n\n05:34.003 --> 06:02.598\n我們跟地方一定要合作要解決包委員我們當然會跟地方來合作但是要有一個觀念就是說高鐵周邊的道路其實都是地方轄管所以地方政府其實要負起很大的責任我們會出錢補助協助他們來做研究未來整個延期方案由地方政府來做我們中央一定全力來配合這部分沒有問題我有在研究我也有方案未來中央要支持好不好我們會支持好我們一起來解決高鐵客區如果在專業可行方面是沒有問題我們一定支持\n\n06:03.138 --> 06:19.654\n該是地方政府該是聯外道路要打通要拓寬這個地方政府該有了責任這個我也相信市民會支持那中央也要有責任來補助我地方政府嘛好不好補助台中市嘛那我有方案提出我有解決的這個\n\n06:21.595 --> 06:39.309\n整個區域交通的一個解決方案的話要中央來支持未來交通的例如說拓寬要看道路的特性然後再來我們中央有多少力氣我會循部長您說的程序上只要是不管是交通部可以補助或是內政部可以補助我都會來尋求拜託部會來支持好不好好第二個是\n\n06:43.692 --> 07:03.912\n部長我曾經跟你提過這個南台中另外一個交通瓶頸就是74號銜接國道3號國道6號那邊所以我提一個這個中投63號的一個銜接國道3號的高架系統化的一個閘道的一個交流道的工程那聽說啦我聽公路局請公路局\n\n07:08.325 --> 07:16.075\n我聽說啦我聽說這個有送到部裡面啊部也送到行政院行政院又退回來給部裡面是不是來來來來局長各位報告那我們有在修正在向上這個呈送\n\n07:26.294 --> 07:42.776\n我拜託快一點好不好那修正完之後的一個解方到底要如何的解決這一個工程的問題因為整個廉價的這個輸運我發現現在國人這個出國旅對不起出外旅遊是一日遊\n\n07:43.217 --> 08:07.268\n那一日有以中張頭來看的話那國道3號國道6號跟74號線那裡是我們中部地區的一個旅遊交通的一個非常嚴重的一個瓶頸那經常塞車那尤其是禮拜六禮拜天就塞在那邊所以我也希望說如果能夠有另外一個分流的解方就是我提的63號線銜接國道3號的高架系統化\n\n08:11.429 --> 08:37.980\n讓國人旅遊他可以選擇另外一項車流回台中市也好或者是相關的一個運輸的方案也好我想這個是中央一定可以支持的所以我也請部長支持好不好委員這個建議非常好我確實也覺得那個地方有這樣改善的需求那我們目前正在修正方案那當時院那邊退回來其實有一些修正的建議我們依照他的建議再送上去那希望能夠趕快得到核定\n\n08:38.260 --> 09:04.218\n好那最後一個是在於我們這一次這個很多網路上的謠言對於所謂的交通新規都說是10月起有一些交通上的新規定那謠言很多那當然我們很感謝有媒體在他的這個頁面上跟我們說有謠言終結站來破解相關的網路謠言但是呢我們看到這個\n\n09:05.539 --> 09:23.854\n地方的群組傳好多好多下一頁包括最近10月起全台國道服務區的測速開罰1.2萬加扣牌雖然我知道我們在我們的網站上有回應但是部長你覺得我們只有在自己的網站上回應這樣夠嗎\n\n09:25.655 --> 09:44.284\n因為我光是在地方群組已經看到好多個然後呢都說是中央搶錢然後呢全台國道的服務區為什麼我特別提這一件因為廉價的時候國旅我們有六成以上的國人是自己開車開車上國道一定會中間選擇休息站來休息嘛\n\n09:45.004 --> 10:13.239\n這是一個中繼站休息站那我們最近這一次連假國道服務區的這個經濟很夯聽說營收創新高表示什麼國人很多人會選擇去國道休息站休息跟去逛一逛那這樣子的謠言讓大家很多人覺得說中央真的是我們立法委員修了這個新的交通規定所以要跟民眾搶錢部長像這樣子網路謠言要如何快速確實的\n\n10:14.900 --> 10:36.461\n說清楚報告委員因為謠言實在很多會透過多元的管道不只是網路的一個圖卡我們也希望用圖卡透過社群的方式或者是透過大家的LINE群組的方式拜託大家去幫忙推廣新的事實的狀態是那部長那我可不可以先要求從交通部的相關單位跟同仁自己做起\n\n10:37.445 --> 10:59.096\n這個我們會做我們要建立起這個圖卡你做的你要闢謠那你要有出去的管道啊你如果只有在自己的網頁上跟大家澄清有幾個人會去看那我們如果要透過LINE的群組快速的反應跟快速的澄清我們自己交通部的自己的同仁是不是可以先做起從自己的身上所有的地方群組開始發送我們盡量來做\n\n11:02.017 --> 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