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00:01:17,707\n賽事期間3月5號到9號之間其實連航的價格已經也飆到1萬5了那包括傳統航空我們這個華航現在上面顯示的是也是可能1萬7到2萬之間那這個是後面這個華航我們進去搜尋的來回可能已經要3萬5了那當然啦我知道有市場機制那為什麼票價會變得那麼高就是因為這個\n\n5\n00:01:19,728 --> 00:01:41,820\n載客率已經非常高了嘛買票的人非常多了那當然我們後面票價就會變高我想這是次長期次啦那我想喔我想就是請我們交通部幫忙其實大家都想要去當10號隊友那我們交通部可不可以協助我們所有的球迷也或者是協助我們中華隊讓我們的東京巨蛋變成我們中華隊的一個主場讓所有想要去加油的10號\n\n6\n00:01:43,181 --> 00:02:00,476\n隊友都能夠在合理的價格買到機票去東京加油因為現在很多的網友都已經說了東京機票太貴了有人已經考慮從大阪進出你知道嗎從大阪進出然後再搭新幹線去還比較划算那不曉得這部分我們交通部有沒有注意到這個狀況\n\n7\n00:02:01,917 --> 00:02:17,423\n可不可以怎麼樣的來協助包括可能過往都是可能從小飛機變成大飛機那大飛機如果不夠的話那是不是能夠談一下增加航線或者是鄰近的一些譬如說磁城機場來增加航班我們有沒有再做一些相關的討論\n\n8\n00:02:18,883 --> 00:02:34,389\n謝謝委員的建議這個建議真的非常的好明年三月會發生一個台灣人民都非常關注的一個賽事在東京那我們幾個方面要來努力一個方面是我們首先要先保障我們的球員未來要去比賽的球員他有足夠的\n\n9\n00:02:34,989 --> 00:02:59,261\n而且舒適的這個機位可以到達比賽的場地這個部分我們先來確保那第二個部分委員在建議的這個方向是非常的好我們會盡量請民航局來溝通所有的航空公司不只是華航光是靠華航可能也不夠我們所有的國籍的航空公司甚至是如果有機會溝通到外籍的航空公司願意幫忙的話我們希望能夠放大機型增加機位\n\n10\n00:02:59,861 --> 00:03:24,468\n那當然票價的部分其實它是市場機制像委員剛剛所提到的它是一個浮動的機制但如果供給量增加的話多的時候我相信它那個價格會比較平穩一點所以我們朝供給量的部分我們盡量來努力因為棒球是國球所有的民眾大家都很關心那委員今天提醒了我們就現在就開始跟航空公司來溝通這件事情\n\n11\n00:03:24,548 --> 00:03:40,570\n我想這次還有半年的時間明年3月到現在10月到5個月快半年的時間那我們就是現在已經發現這個需求了那我們儘快的提供供給那其實包括中華航空也可以跟中華隊或者是說官方做一個\n\n12\n00:03:41,451 --> 00:04:02,329\n特別的一個這個主題的商品的一個搭配你買機票說不定就有一些可以加購的一些應援商品等等的我覺得不只是提供我們旅遊那個旅客一個好的這個合適的價格跟買得到機票之外那也可以讓我們的航空公司也能夠中華航空多賺一點錢好以上如果可以跨業合作那更好啦\n\n13\n00:04:02,629 --> 00:04:19,406\n好那就麻煩部長後續再麻煩我們民航局跟航空公司一起加油好謝謝那我接下來是第二題第二題是我們的這個道路平權的問題我想我跟不管是公開還是私底下也都跟我們的部長討論過好幾次那之前我跟部長討論過就是說\n\n14\n00:04:21,488 --> 00:04:39,858\n因為目前我們的這個道路交通安全規則99條之一我們已經有明確的發函給地方政府不能當作這個會設這個進行機車的通則的依據非常感謝交通部很明確的跟地方講你不可以拿這條來講但是其實地方也是會想那不能的話但是你這條規定還是在嗎那是不是\n\n15\n00:04:40,638 --> 00:05:00,011\n以那個暗示還是民視的方式告訴大家說我交通部就是不支持就是能夠進行機車就進行機車我覺得只要這個條文還在的話就會有這樣的一個感覺所以我之前有請教過好我們已經告知地方政府這已經不是通則去發射進行機車的通則了那\n\n16\n00:05:00,951 --> 00:05:23,065\n現在這條條文還在那我之前也問過那時候的局長嘛現在的局長之前司長有問過說如果說譬如說三個車道或四個車道內一內二沒有標示這個進行機車的話可不可以行駛那時候跟我講也是可以嘛就代表說沒有寫進行機車的情況下我們是可以行駛的那既然是這樣的情況下那我們道路安全規則第99條第一項\n\n17\n00:05:25,306 --> 00:05:48,203\n的規定到底有哪些適用的情形導致他有存在的必要因為我想在上次審預算的時候就有在檢就有希望說有做一個決議嘛希望檢討99條之一如果說有不適用的情形的話就把它拿掉免身誤會或者是免身地方政府的一個猜測那不曉得經過這段時間我們交通部能不能好明確指出我們現在\n\n18\n00:05:49,204 --> 00:06:14,611\n中華民國的道路有哪一條他目前的狀況是適用第99條第一項的規定報告委員這個部分我先來做一個說明啦就是剛剛委員所提到的部分就是9999條第一項的一個規定那基本上剛剛委員那個講法基本上是一種這個情形但是如果按照99條的一個這個講法的部分的話他基本上\n\n19\n00:06:15,111 --> 00:06:38,076\n因為這個道路上面相關行駛的部分的話第一個道路的環境必須要明確那目前道路明確這個環境的部分就是靠標誌標線號誌來做一個處理所以它組條文的部分第一項就是要依這個標誌標線來做一個處理那如果說沒有標誌標線的一個這個部分的話才依照這個通則的一個這一個就是這一個方式來做處理\n\n20\n00:06:38,956 --> 00:07:02,375\n對所以有台灣的中華民國道路哪邊是無標誌或標線然後又有這個第一項的這個情況那這邊這個部分的話就是剛剛這個委員所提的一個部分就是說如果說全部的道路都沒有標誌標線的話那就會回歸到這個後面的一個部分台灣有哪一條道路是沒有標誌標線的\n\n21\n00:07:03,693 --> 00:07:19,552\n跟我們包括一下可能鄉下地方還是有很多這個道路都沒有標示標線既然沒有標示標線那怎麼會有車道的存在跟我們包括一下所謂標示標線基本上像如果這一條適用的話基本上是一些管制的部分因為當然在道路\n\n22\n00:07:20,012 --> 00:07:42,994\n我已經跟你們提過一兩個禮拜了一兩個禮拜就是私底下大家在討論的時候已經請你們去整理嘛就是找出來中華民國哪一條道路是適用這一條規定的那如果說沒有的話那它是不是有存在的必要但是到了目前今天為止你們好像還是找不出來一條適用這條法令的一個道路嘛是不是有沒有辦法明天也提出來\n\n23\n00:07:43,675 --> 00:08:12,257\n跟委員報告一下我大概跟委員報告這兩件事情啦第一個部分其實在譬如說有一些重化區他可能這個開發還沒有那麼完整的時候但是那個路都那個重化區路一定會先出來那先出來的一部分的話就成如剛剛委員所提到的部分上面只會有車道線然後呢不會有相關這個車種使用限制的這些相關的一個部分那就是可以騎啊照剛剛市長講到局長之前講的就是可以騎啊\n\n24\n00:08:14,638 --> 00:08:36,783\n對不對沒有標誌標線的道路我們也不會允許他開放嘛因為他不符合我們的安全標準嘛跟我們報告一下因為這個標誌標線的種類會非常多啦那我們現在在99條講的一個部分是機車使用的這些相關管制的一個講了這麼多你現在到底講不講得出來哪裡的道路條件是適用99條這個第一項的一個規定\n\n25\n00:08:40,424 --> 00:08:54,171\n第一項第一條其實這個部分我之前在當市長的時候也曾經發文這個因為委員有關切我們也正式行文給地方政府第一個正式遵循說針對第99條既然沒有適用的情況下那它存在的意義是什麼\n\n26\n00:08:55,531 --> 00:09:12,847\n既然它存在的意義只是讓地方政府拿來當作一個搪塞的一個理由我們為什麼交通部要幫他擔下來這個搪塞的理由對不對你要不要進行機車你地方道路主管機關自己去判斷他進行機車會不會更安全開放會不會更安全各案去判斷\n\n27\n00:09:14,108 --> 00:09:27,031\n而不是被地方政府拿來搪塞就算我們已經我知道我信息交通部你們已經有發文了有發文告訴大家不可以當作一個這個通則依據了但是既然不能當作通則依據你又沒有適用的情況下那你存在的意義是什麼\n\n28\n00:09:28,441 --> 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世界棒球紀念賽在明年3月我們在東京巨蛋舉辦希望說大家一起去應援把我們東京巨蛋給它塞滿變成我們的主場但是其實現在很多的球迷已經在網路上有在討論明年這個時段的\n41816\t56552\t機票已經變得非常的一個高昂了那個包括我們現在我們看的這個是今年底大概是12月底這個聯航大概就6000多那傳統航空的1萬出頭一點點但是我們再看一下明年的3月大概\n57392\t77707\t賽事期間3月5號到9號之間其實連航的價格已經也飆到1萬5了那包括傳統航空我們這個華航現在上面顯示的是也是可能1萬7到2萬之間那這個是後面這個華航我們進去搜尋的來回可能已經要3萬5了那當然啦我知道有市場機制那為什麼票價會變得那麼高就是因為這個\n79728\t101820\t載客率已經非常高了嘛買票的人非常多了那當然我們後面票價就會變高我想這是次長期次啦那我想喔我想就是請我們交通部幫忙其實大家都想要去當10號隊友那我們交通部可不可以協助我們所有的球迷也或者是協助我們中華隊讓我們的東京巨蛋變成我們中華隊的一個主場讓所有想要去加油的10號\n103181\t120476\t隊友都能夠在合理的價格買到機票去東京加油因為現在很多的網友都已經說了東京機票太貴了有人已經考慮從大阪進出你知道嗎從大阪進出然後再搭新幹線去還比較划算那不曉得這部分我們交通部有沒有注意到這個狀況\n121917\t137423\t可不可以怎麼樣的來協助包括可能過往都是可能從小飛機變成大飛機那大飛機如果不夠的話那是不是能夠談一下增加航線或者是鄰近的一些譬如說磁城機場來增加航班我們有沒有再做一些相關的討論\n138883\t154389\t謝謝委員的建議這個建議真的非常的好明年三月會發生一個台灣人民都非常關注的一個賽事在東京那我們幾個方面要來努力一個方面是我們首先要先保障我們的球員未來要去比賽的球員他有足夠的\n154989\t179261\t而且舒適的這個機位可以到達比賽的場地這個部分我們先來確保那第二個部分委員在建議的這個方向是非常的好我們會盡量請民航局來溝通所有的航空公司不只是華航光是靠華航可能也不夠我們所有的國籍的航空公司甚至是如果有機會溝通到外籍的航空公司願意幫忙的話我們希望能夠放大機型增加機位\n179861\t204468\t那當然票價的部分其實它是市場機制像委員剛剛所提到的它是一個浮動的機制但如果供給量增加的話多的時候我相信它那個價格會比較平穩一點所以我們朝供給量的部分我們盡量來努力因為棒球是國球所有的民眾大家都很關心那委員今天提醒了我們就現在就開始跟航空公司來溝通這件事情\n204548\t220570\t我想這次還有半年的時間明年3月到現在10月到5個月快半年的時間那我們就是現在已經發現這個需求了那我們儘快的提供供給那其實包括中華航空也可以跟中華隊或者是說官方做一個\n221451\t242329\t特別的一個這個主題的商品的一個搭配你買機票說不定就有一些可以加購的一些應援商品等等的我覺得不只是提供我們旅遊那個旅客一個好的這個合適的價格跟買得到機票之外那也可以讓我們的航空公司也能夠中華航空多賺一點錢好 以上如果可以跨業合作那更好啦\n242629\t259406\t好那就麻煩部長後續再麻煩我們民航局跟航空公司一起加油好謝謝那我接下來是第二題第二題是我們的這個道路平權的問題我想我跟不管是公開還是私底下也都跟我們的部長討論過好幾次那之前我跟部長討論過就是說\n261488\t279858\t因為目前我們的這個道路交通安全規則99條之一我們已經有明確的發函給地方政府不能當作這個會設這個進行機車的通則的依據非常感謝交通部很明確的跟地方講你不可以拿這條來講但是其實地方也是會想那不能的話但是你這條規定還是在嗎那是不是\n280638\t300011\t以那個暗示還是民視的方式告訴大家說我交通部就是不支持就是能夠進行機車就進行機車我覺得只要這個條文還在的話就會有這樣的一個感覺所以我之前有請教過好我們已經告知地方政府這已經不是通則去發射進行機車的通則了那\n300951\t323065\t現在這條條文還在那我之前也問過那時候的局長嘛現在的局長之前司長有問過說如果說譬如說三個車道或四個車道內一內二沒有標示這個進行機車的話可不可以行駛那時候跟我講也是可以嘛就代表說沒有寫進行機車的情況下我們是可以行駛的那既然是這樣的情況下那我們道路安全規則第99條第一項\n325306\t348203\t的規定到底有哪些適用的情形導致他有存在的必要因為我想在上次審預算的時候就有在檢就有希望說有做一個決議嘛希望檢討99條之一如果說有不適用的情形的話就把它拿掉免身誤會或者是免身地方政府的一個猜測那不曉得經過這段時間我們交通部能不能好明確指出我們現在\n349204\t374611\t中華民國的道路有哪一條他目前的狀況是適用第99條第一項的規定報告委員這個部分我先來做一個說明啦就是剛剛委員所提到的部分就是9999條第一項的一個規定那基本上剛剛委員那個講法基本上是一種這個情形但是如果按照99條的一個這個講法的部分的話他基本上\n375111\t398076\t因為這個道路上面相關行駛的部分的話第一個道路的環境必須要明確那目前道路明確這個環境的部分就是靠標誌標線號誌來做一個處理所以它組條文的部分第一項就是要依這個標誌標線來做一個處理那如果說沒有標誌標線的一個這個部分的話才依照這個通則的一個這一個就是這一個方式來做處理\n398956\t422375\t對 所以有台灣的中華民國道路哪邊是無標誌或標線然後又有這個第一項的這個情況那這邊這個部分的話就是剛剛這個委員所提的一個部分就是說如果說全部的道路都沒有標誌標線的話那就會回歸到這個後面的一個部分台灣有哪一條道路是沒有標誌標線的\n423693\t439552\t跟我們包括一下可能鄉下地方還是有很多這個道路都沒有標示標線既然沒有標示標線那怎麼會有車道的存在跟我們包括一下所謂標示標線基本上像如果這一條適用的話基本上是一些管制的部分因為當然在道路\n440012\t462994\t我已經跟你們提過一兩個禮拜了一兩個禮拜就是私底下大家在討論的時候已經請你們去整理嘛就是找出來中華民國哪一條道路是適用這一條規定的那如果說沒有的話那它是不是有存在的必要但是到了目前今天為止你們好像還是找不出來一條適用這條法令的一個道路嘛是不是有沒有辦法明天也提出來\n463675\t492257\t跟委員報告一下我大概跟委員報告這兩件事情啦第一個部分其實在譬如說有一些重化區他可能這個開發還沒有那麼完整的時候但是那個路都那個重化區路一定會先出來那先出來的一部分的話就成如剛剛委員所提到的部分上面只會有車道線然後呢不會有相關這個車種使用限制的這些相關的一個部分那就是可以騎啊照剛剛市長講到局長之前講的就是可以騎啊\n494638\t516783\t對不對沒有標誌標線的道路我們也不會允許他開放嘛因為他不符合我們的安全標準嘛跟我們報告一下因為這個標誌標線的種類會非常多啦那我們現在在99條講的一個部分是機車使用的這些相關管制的一個講了這麼多你現在到底講不講得出來哪裡的道路條件是適用99條這個第一項的一個規定\n520424\t534171\t第一項第一條其實這個部分我之前在當市長的時候也曾經發文這個因為委員有關切我們也正式行文給地方政府第一個正式遵循說針對第99條既然沒有適用的情況下那它存在的意義是什麼\n535531\t552847\t既然它存在的意義只是讓地方政府拿來當作一個搪塞的一個理由我們為什麼交通部要幫他擔下來這個搪塞的理由對不對你要不要進行機車你地方道路主管機關自己去判斷他進行機車會不會更安全開放會不會更安全各案去判斷\n554108\t567031\t而不是被地方政府拿來搪塞就算我們已經我知道我信息交通部你們已經有發文了有發文告訴大家不可以當作一個這個通則依據了但是既然不能當作通則依據你又沒有適用的情況下那你存在的意義是什麼\n568441\t588640\t對陳錄委員所提到的部分但是這個是既有的規定所以部裡面在處理會比較既有的規定竟然不合時宜就把它拿掉之前大概有先徵詢地方政府的一個意見所有的地方政府回來大概都先表示不是用他們要留著幹嘛初步都認為不宜但是這個部分不宜的理由是什麼\n590041\t609407\t沒有適用的情況拿掉布的理由是什麼所以這個部分會再繼續確認就是說這裡面存在的一些相關的一個這個課題啦好不好既然委員會上個會期委員會已經決議了好不好我就希望交通部盡速把這個案子定下來你們多久之內可以依據上次的決議來做調整給個時間啦好不好\n615556\t627425\t我們10月底會10月底之前會跟地方政府再開一個會那我們來了解一下地方政府好10月底開完11月底前那再給一個正式的討論的一個決定好不好好謝謝部長好謝謝謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝召會 也要麻煩請我們的陳部長請陳部長部長好 跟部長報告其實原本有規劃在明年大概3月初的時候我想立法院找幾個好朋友去東京一趟你知道什麼事情嗎\n棒球賽對 世界棒球紀念賽在明年3月我們在東京巨蛋舉辦希望說大家一起去應援把我們東京巨蛋給它塞滿變成我們的主場但是其實現在很多的球迷已經在網路上有在討論明年這個時段的\n機票已經變得非常的一個高昂了那個包括我們現在我們看的這個是今年底大概是12月底這個聯航大概就6000多那傳統航空的1萬出頭一點點但是我們再看一下明年的3月大概\n賽事期間3月5號到9號之間其實連航的價格已經也飆到1萬5了那包括傳統航空我們這個華航現在上面顯示的是也是可能1萬7到2萬之間那這個是後面這個華航我們進去搜尋的來回可能已經要3萬5了那當然啦我知道有市場機制那為什麼票價會變得那麼高就是因為這個\n載客率已經非常高了嘛買票的人非常多了那當然我們後面票價就會變高我想這是次長期次啦那我想喔我想就是請我們交通部幫忙其實大家都想要去當10號隊友那我們交通部可不可以協助我們所有的球迷也或者是協助我們中華隊讓我們的東京巨蛋變成我們中華隊的一個主場讓所有想要去加油的10號\n隊友都能夠在合理的價格買到機票去東京加油因為現在很多的網友都已經說了東京機票太貴了有人已經考慮從大阪進出你知道嗎從大阪進出然後再搭新幹線去還比較划算那不曉得這部分我們交通部有沒有注意到這個狀況\n可不可以怎麼樣的來協助包括可能過往都是可能從小飛機變成大飛機那大飛機如果不夠的話那是不是能夠談一下增加航線或者是鄰近的一些譬如說磁城機場來增加航班我們有沒有再做一些相關的討論\n謝謝委員的建議這個建議真的非常的好明年三月會發生一個台灣人民都非常關注的一個賽事在東京那我們幾個方面要來努力一個方面是我們首先要先保障我們的球員未來要去比賽的球員他有足夠的\n而且舒適的這個機位可以到達比賽的場地這個部分我們先來確保那第二個部分委員在建議的這個方向是非常的好我們會盡量請民航局來溝通所有的航空公司不只是華航光是靠華航可能也不夠我們所有的國籍的航空公司甚至是如果有機會溝通到外籍的航空公司願意幫忙的話我們希望能夠放大機型增加機位\n那當然票價的部分其實它是市場機制像委員剛剛所提到的它是一個浮動的機制但如果供給量增加的話多的時候我相信它那個價格會比較平穩一點所以我們朝供給量的部分我們盡量來努力因為棒球是國球所有的民眾大家都很關心那委員今天提醒了我們就現在就開始跟航空公司來溝通這件事情\n我想這次還有半年的時間明年3月到現在10月到5個月快半年的時間那我們就是現在已經發現這個需求了那我們儘快的提供供給那其實包括中華航空也可以跟中華隊或者是說官方做一個\n特別的一個這個主題的商品的一個搭配你買機票說不定就有一些可以加購的一些應援商品等等的我覺得不只是提供我們旅遊那個旅客一個好的這個合適的價格跟買得到機票之外那也可以讓我們的航空公司也能夠中華航空多賺一點錢好 以上如果可以跨業合作那更好啦\n好那就麻煩部長後續再麻煩我們民航局跟航空公司一起加油好謝謝那我接下來是第二題第二題是我們的這個道路平權的問題我想我跟不管是公開還是私底下也都跟我們的部長討論過好幾次那之前我跟部長討論過就是說\n因為目前我們的這個道路交通安全規則99條之一我們已經有明確的發函給地方政府不能當作這個會設這個進行機車的通則的依據非常感謝交通部很明確的跟地方講你不可以拿這條來講但是其實地方也是會想那不能的話但是你這條規定還是在嗎那是不是\n以那個暗示還是民視的方式告訴大家說我交通部就是不支持就是能夠進行機車就進行機車我覺得只要這個條文還在的話就會有這樣的一個感覺所以我之前有請教過好我們已經告知地方政府這已經不是通則去發射進行機車的通則了那\n現在這條條文還在那我之前也問過那時候的局長嘛現在的局長之前司長有問過說如果說譬如說三個車道或四個車道內一內二沒有標示這個進行機車的話可不可以行駛那時候跟我講也是可以嘛就代表說沒有寫進行機車的情況下我們是可以行駛的那既然是這樣的情況下那我們道路安全規則第99條第一項\n的規定到底有哪些適用的情形導致他有存在的必要因為我想在上次審預算的時候就有在檢就有希望說有做一個決議嘛希望檢討99條之一如果說有不適用的情形的話就把它拿掉免身誤會或者是免身地方政府的一個猜測那不曉得經過這段時間我們交通部能不能好明確指出我們現在\n中華民國的道路有哪一條他目前的狀況是適用第99條第一項的規定報告委員這個部分我先來做一個說明啦就是剛剛委員所提到的部分就是9999條第一項的一個規定那基本上剛剛委員那個講法基本上是一種這個情形但是如果按照99條的一個這個講法的部分的話他基本上\n因為這個道路上面相關行駛的部分的話第一個道路的環境必須要明確那目前道路明確這個環境的部分就是靠標誌標線號誌來做一個處理所以它組條文的部分第一項就是要依這個標誌標線來做一個處理那如果說沒有標誌標線的一個這個部分的話才依照這個通則的一個這一個就是這一個方式來做處理\n對 所以有台灣的中華民國道路哪邊是無標誌或標線然後又有這個第一項的這個情況那這邊這個部分的話就是剛剛這個委員所提的一個部分就是說如果說全部的道路都沒有標誌標線的話那就會回歸到這個後面的一個部分台灣有哪一條道路是沒有標誌標線的\n跟我們包括一下可能鄉下地方還是有很多這個道路都沒有標示標線既然沒有標示標線那怎麼會有車道的存在跟我們包括一下所謂標示標線基本上像如果這一條適用的話基本上是一些管制的部分因為當然在道路\n我已經跟你們提過一兩個禮拜了一兩個禮拜就是私底下大家在討論的時候已經請你們去整理嘛就是找出來中華民國哪一條道路是適用這一條規定的那如果說沒有的話那它是不是有存在的必要但是到了目前今天為止你們好像還是找不出來一條適用這條法令的一個道路嘛是不是有沒有辦法明天也提出來\n跟委員報告一下我大概跟委員報告這兩件事情啦第一個部分其實在譬如說有一些重化區他可能這個開發還沒有那麼完整的時候但是那個路都那個重化區路一定會先出來那先出來的一部分的話就成如剛剛委員所提到的部分上面只會有車道線然後呢不會有相關這個車種使用限制的這些相關的一個部分那就是可以騎啊照剛剛市長講到局長之前講的就是可以騎啊\n對不對沒有標誌標線的道路我們也不會允許他開放嘛因為他不符合我們的安全標準嘛跟我們報告一下因為這個標誌標線的種類會非常多啦那我們現在在99條講的一個部分是機車使用的這些相關管制的一個講了這麼多你現在到底講不講得出來哪裡的道路條件是適用99條這個第一項的一個規定\n第一項第一條其實這個部分我之前在當市長的時候也曾經發文這個因為委員有關切我們也正式行文給地方政府第一個正式遵循說針對第99條既然沒有適用的情況下那它存在的意義是什麼\n既然它存在的意義只是讓地方政府拿來當作一個搪塞的一個理由我們為什麼交通部要幫他擔下來這個搪塞的理由對不對你要不要進行機車你地方道路主管機關自己去判斷他進行機車會不會更安全開放會不會更安全各案去判斷\n而不是被地方政府拿來搪塞就算我們已經我知道我信息交通部你們已經有發文了有發文告訴大家不可以當作一個這個通則依據了但是既然不能當作通則依據你又沒有適用的情況下那你存在的意義是什麼\n對陳錄委員所提到的部分但是這個是既有的規定所以部裡面在處理會比較既有的規定竟然不合時宜就把它拿掉之前大概有先徵詢地方政府的一個意見所有的地方政府回來大概都先表示不是用他們要留著幹嘛初步都認為不宜但是這個部分不宜的理由是什麼\n沒有適用的情況拿掉布的理由是什麼所以這個部分會再繼續確認就是說這裡面存在的一些相關的一個這個課題啦好不好既然委員會上個會期委員會已經決議了好不好我就希望交通部盡速把這個案子定下來你們多久之內可以依據上次的決議來做調整給個時間啦好不好\n我們10月底會10月底之前會跟地方政府再開一個會那我們來了解一下地方政府好10月底開完11月底前那再給一個正式的討論的一個決定好不好好謝謝部長好謝謝謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.110 --> 00:07.413\n好謝謝召會也要麻煩請我們的陳部長請陳部長部長好跟部長報告其實原本有規劃在明年大概3月初的時候我想立法院找幾個好朋友去東京一趟你知道什麼事情嗎\n\n00:25.253 --> 00:38.992\n棒球賽對世界棒球紀念賽在明年3月我們在東京巨蛋舉辦希望說大家一起去應援把我們東京巨蛋給它塞滿變成我們的主場但是其實現在很多的球迷已經在網路上有在討論明年這個時段的\n\n00:41.816 --> 00:56.552\n機票已經變得非常的一個高昂了那個包括我們現在我們看的這個是今年底大概是12月底這個聯航大概就6000多那傳統航空的1萬出頭一點點但是我們再看一下明年的3月大概\n\n00:57.392 --> 01:17.707\n賽事期間3月5號到9號之間其實連航的價格已經也飆到1萬5了那包括傳統航空我們這個華航現在上面顯示的是也是可能1萬7到2萬之間那這個是後面這個華航我們進去搜尋的來回可能已經要3萬5了那當然啦我知道有市場機制那為什麼票價會變得那麼高就是因為這個\n\n01:19.728 --> 01:41.820\n載客率已經非常高了嘛買票的人非常多了那當然我們後面票價就會變高我想這是次長期次啦那我想喔我想就是請我們交通部幫忙其實大家都想要去當10號隊友那我們交通部可不可以協助我們所有的球迷也或者是協助我們中華隊讓我們的東京巨蛋變成我們中華隊的一個主場讓所有想要去加油的10號\n\n01:43.181 --> 02:00.476\n隊友都能夠在合理的價格買到機票去東京加油因為現在很多的網友都已經說了東京機票太貴了有人已經考慮從大阪進出你知道嗎從大阪進出然後再搭新幹線去還比較划算那不曉得這部分我們交通部有沒有注意到這個狀況\n\n02:01.917 --> 02:17.423\n可不可以怎麼樣的來協助包括可能過往都是可能從小飛機變成大飛機那大飛機如果不夠的話那是不是能夠談一下增加航線或者是鄰近的一些譬如說磁城機場來增加航班我們有沒有再做一些相關的討論\n\n02:18.883 --> 02:34.389\n謝謝委員的建議這個建議真的非常的好明年三月會發生一個台灣人民都非常關注的一個賽事在東京那我們幾個方面要來努力一個方面是我們首先要先保障我們的球員未來要去比賽的球員他有足夠的\n\n02:34.989 --> 02:59.261\n而且舒適的這個機位可以到達比賽的場地這個部分我們先來確保那第二個部分委員在建議的這個方向是非常的好我們會盡量請民航局來溝通所有的航空公司不只是華航光是靠華航可能也不夠我們所有的國籍的航空公司甚至是如果有機會溝通到外籍的航空公司願意幫忙的話我們希望能夠放大機型增加機位\n\n02:59.861 --> 03:24.468\n那當然票價的部分其實它是市場機制像委員剛剛所提到的它是一個浮動的機制但如果供給量增加的話多的時候我相信它那個價格會比較平穩一點所以我們朝供給量的部分我們盡量來努力因為棒球是國球所有的民眾大家都很關心那委員今天提醒了我們就現在就開始跟航空公司來溝通這件事情\n\n03:24.548 --> 03:40.570\n我想這次還有半年的時間明年3月到現在10月到5個月快半年的時間那我們就是現在已經發現這個需求了那我們儘快的提供供給那其實包括中華航空也可以跟中華隊或者是說官方做一個\n\n03:41.451 --> 04:02.329\n特別的一個這個主題的商品的一個搭配你買機票說不定就有一些可以加購的一些應援商品等等的我覺得不只是提供我們旅遊那個旅客一個好的這個合適的價格跟買得到機票之外那也可以讓我們的航空公司也能夠中華航空多賺一點錢好以上如果可以跨業合作那更好啦\n\n04:02.629 --> 04:19.406\n好那就麻煩部長後續再麻煩我們民航局跟航空公司一起加油好謝謝那我接下來是第二題第二題是我們的這個道路平權的問題我想我跟不管是公開還是私底下也都跟我們的部長討論過好幾次那之前我跟部長討論過就是說\n\n04:21.488 --> 04:39.858\n因為目前我們的這個道路交通安全規則99條之一我們已經有明確的發函給地方政府不能當作這個會設這個進行機車的通則的依據非常感謝交通部很明確的跟地方講你不可以拿這條來講但是其實地方也是會想那不能的話但是你這條規定還是在嗎那是不是\n\n04:40.638 --> 05:00.011\n以那個暗示還是民視的方式告訴大家說我交通部就是不支持就是能夠進行機車就進行機車我覺得只要這個條文還在的話就會有這樣的一個感覺所以我之前有請教過好我們已經告知地方政府這已經不是通則去發射進行機車的通則了那\n\n05:00.951 --> 05:23.065\n現在這條條文還在那我之前也問過那時候的局長嘛現在的局長之前司長有問過說如果說譬如說三個車道或四個車道內一內二沒有標示這個進行機車的話可不可以行駛那時候跟我講也是可以嘛就代表說沒有寫進行機車的情況下我們是可以行駛的那既然是這樣的情況下那我們道路安全規則第99條第一項\n\n05:25.306 --> 05:48.203\n的規定到底有哪些適用的情形導致他有存在的必要因為我想在上次審預算的時候就有在檢就有希望說有做一個決議嘛希望檢討99條之一如果說有不適用的情形的話就把它拿掉免身誤會或者是免身地方政府的一個猜測那不曉得經過這段時間我們交通部能不能好明確指出我們現在\n\n05:49.204 --> 06:14.611\n中華民國的道路有哪一條他目前的狀況是適用第99條第一項的規定報告委員這個部分我先來做一個說明啦就是剛剛委員所提到的部分就是9999條第一項的一個規定那基本上剛剛委員那個講法基本上是一種這個情形但是如果按照99條的一個這個講法的部分的話他基本上\n\n06:15.111 --> 06:38.076\n因為這個道路上面相關行駛的部分的話第一個道路的環境必須要明確那目前道路明確這個環境的部分就是靠標誌標線號誌來做一個處理所以它組條文的部分第一項就是要依這個標誌標線來做一個處理那如果說沒有標誌標線的一個這個部分的話才依照這個通則的一個這一個就是這一個方式來做處理\n\n06:38.956 --> 07:02.375\n對所以有台灣的中華民國道路哪邊是無標誌或標線然後又有這個第一項的這個情況那這邊這個部分的話就是剛剛這個委員所提的一個部分就是說如果說全部的道路都沒有標誌標線的話那就會回歸到這個後面的一個部分台灣有哪一條道路是沒有標誌標線的\n\n07:03.693 --> 07:19.552\n跟我們包括一下可能鄉下地方還是有很多這個道路都沒有標示標線既然沒有標示標線那怎麼會有車道的存在跟我們包括一下所謂標示標線基本上像如果這一條適用的話基本上是一些管制的部分因為當然在道路\n\n07:20.012 --> 07:42.994\n我已經跟你們提過一兩個禮拜了一兩個禮拜就是私底下大家在討論的時候已經請你們去整理嘛就是找出來中華民國哪一條道路是適用這一條規定的那如果說沒有的話那它是不是有存在的必要但是到了目前今天為止你們好像還是找不出來一條適用這條法令的一個道路嘛是不是有沒有辦法明天也提出來\n\n07:43.675 --> 08:12.257\n跟委員報告一下我大概跟委員報告這兩件事情啦第一個部分其實在譬如說有一些重化區他可能這個開發還沒有那麼完整的時候但是那個路都那個重化區路一定會先出來那先出來的一部分的話就成如剛剛委員所提到的部分上面只會有車道線然後呢不會有相關這個車種使用限制的這些相關的一個部分那就是可以騎啊照剛剛市長講到局長之前講的就是可以騎啊\n\n08:14.638 --> 08:36.783\n對不對沒有標誌標線的道路我們也不會允許他開放嘛因為他不符合我們的安全標準嘛跟我們報告一下因為這個標誌標線的種類會非常多啦那我們現在在99條講的一個部分是機車使用的這些相關管制的一個講了這麼多你現在到底講不講得出來哪裡的道路條件是適用99條這個第一項的一個規定\n\n08:40.424 --> 08:54.171\n第一項第一條其實這個部分我之前在當市長的時候也曾經發文這個因為委員有關切我們也正式行文給地方政府第一個正式遵循說針對第99條既然沒有適用的情況下那它存在的意義是什麼\n\n08:55.531 --> 09:12.847\n既然它存在的意義只是讓地方政府拿來當作一個搪塞的一個理由我們為什麼交通部要幫他擔下來這個搪塞的理由對不對你要不要進行機車你地方道路主管機關自己去判斷他進行機車會不會更安全開放會不會更安全各案去判斷\n\n09:14.108 --> 09:27.031\n而不是被地方政府拿來搪塞就算我們已經我知道我信息交通部你們已經有發文了有發文告訴大家不可以當作一個這個通則依據了但是既然不能當作通則依據你又沒有適用的情況下那你存在的意義是什麼\n\n09:28.441 --> 09:48.640\n對陳錄委員所提到的部分但是這個是既有的規定所以部裡面在處理會比較既有的規定竟然不合時宜就把它拿掉之前大概有先徵詢地方政府的一個意見所有的地方政府回來大概都先表示不是用他們要留著幹嘛初步都認為不宜但是這個部分不宜的理由是什麼\n\n09:50.041 --> 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