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海區選一號這樣的步調出來但是那一次山區根本沒有選舉\n你懂我意思嗎就是各種混淆的狀況都會出現所以我們在標誌上推薦人上面我們必須要更加的公平所以我從去年5月然後你說你會提出一個說沒有修法沒關係你會提出一個相關的辦法在行政上面來制止這樣子的這種混亂選舉或者是提供錯假亂訊息資訊的狀況出現但是目前為止我還沒有拿到相關的辦法從去年5月到現在是不是請主委簡單回應一下\n好謝謝委員繼續關心這樣一個問題的確這是一個不當的行使他的這個言論自由的權利不當的行使因此呢在法律上予以限制禁止甚至是處罰我認為是有必要的但是不管怎麼樣這個是必須要經過立法\n因为它虽然是不当的自由的行使但是它毕竟还是属于言论自由的一个范畴所以委员提出的法律的修正案这个方向我们认为是正确的这是第一点\n第二点就是说即使这个法律还没有通过了在实务上高雄高分院已经有过一个相似的一个案例就是说你这种情形如果足以影响到选举的公正性的话那还是可以适用选罢法104条的规定来予以处罚\n謝謝因為其實這是兩大政黨都會遇到的問題因為通常會做這種的就是要影響兩大政黨的所以我在這邊也是我認為這是跨黨派的一個共識就是公平性那既然主委認為說我們可以朝修法方面去年五月的時候你是說可以從執行方式那我們就會提出相關的建議給你們去看你們可不可以提出相關院版的或者是由我們自己的立法委員來去提出來可是這件事情已經出現了多次\n在我們的選舉出現過建市首長的選舉市議員的選舉 村長的選舉到公投都會出現類似這樣的狀況我們不要這樣混淆好不好公平 當當真正的決戰\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.039 --> 00:09.925\n各位好其實回應一下不在即投票我覺得還是要再特別強調\n\n00:11.187 --> 00:39.609\n不管是美國還是韓國多次在對台灣的這種投票的制度都是非常肯定的是在籍或不在籍另外一個我們要考量的就是說比方說在這地方選舉縣市首長選舉村里長選舉他本身居住在此地在這邊投票因為跟他的生活跟他的社區直接相關所以我認為在籍投票才是我們可以努力的方向這也是最符合現在公平性也可以減少爭議性的方式\n\n00:40.009 --> 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