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00:02:15,341\n我們應該著重的部分是在國軍本身的部分民間的部分的話應該是由民間的這個電信公司來部長我們不是說好了要全民國防嗎那打仗或者是極端狀況發生的時候只有國軍需要任性嗎我們變成其他人變數位孤島都沒有關係嗎我們應該是共同協作因為\n\n7\n00:02:16,368 --> 00:02:35,438\n是謝謝部長軍方跟軍方的部分民間跟民間的部分我們一起會形成一個網狀的一個體系我只需要您這四個字啦這些預算不應該只是在國軍各站台間的管道布放以及保護好不好希望有共同協作的部分請您再仔細理清\n\n8\n00:02:36,738 --> 00:02:59,775\n谢谢那接下来在预算书第49页的地方呢也有提到这个卫星通讯设备的租赁因为我们刚刚看其实没有保护到一般民间的这个网络通讯的韧性我们就想说那如果有卫星的话可能好一点一开始还很高兴看到说哇有这个卫星这个使用563亿啊\n\n9\n00:03:03,498 --> 00:03:13,917\n結果是要用租的我想請問一下這個部分是要怎麼規劃有哪些限制預計什麼樣的評官有沒有規劃這個我們是不是請同事\n\n10\n00:03:15,842 --> 00:03:37,735\n委員好我是通知室次長我們當初的規劃就是因為用租的既有的這個可以盡快的形成我們的戰力那如果要重新建置的話我們可能投資的成本我理解租可以我們沒有說不能租你要跟誰租多少頻寬什麼時間你是要跟oneweb租那頻寬夠嗎還是starlink有考慮在內嗎\n\n11\n00:03:41,658 --> 00:03:46,604\n是另外一型的卫星那平宽我们也讨论过是可以满足我们的需求\n\n12\n00:03:47,335 --> 00:04:12,524\n那未來這個衛星下鏈了之後可以居民共用平寬多少哪一家所以不是starlink也不是oneweb所以另外的租賃要花563億啊那烏克蘭用的是哪一家您知道嗎563億不是全部用在這個衛星的租賃上面所以嘛我們就想要問你衛星租賃要花多少錢你這裡底下寫的很清楚啊數量很高啊\n\n13\n00:04:16,206 --> 00:04:28,552\n那到底分開來是多少你衛星要花多少跟誰租我們完全沒有細節麻煩會後提供細節好嗎然後這個民間可以使用嗎民間可以使用嗎\n\n14\n00:04:29,894 --> 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