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00:02:35,463\n那問題就出現了那那怎麼辦呢可是國道客運我也不能要求我台灣市政府去補貼國道客運這樣蠻奇怪的嘛主管機關現在怎麼樣都是公路局嘛那現在是北北基桃還有剛剛宜蘭對不對這都是國道客運那個重運重度需求的這樣子的一些縣市跟通勤需求是有相關的那如果國道客運的這樣子的一個新司機的駕駛的待遇不夠好你中央沒有進行相應的補貼你至少要把水準拉起那就會造成\n\n7\n00:02:36,784 --> 00:02:52,159\n公路客運的價值就沒有辦法上升啊對不對你可以看表格嘛市區客運價值之前疫情完之後下降下降完之後季初這補貼之後他就回升到正常的水準但國道客運沒有嘛他沒有相應的往上\n\n8\n00:02:53,239 --> 00:03:19,393\n我們其實有做加碼啦那或許加碼的速度沒有市區客運這麼多那但是這個部分加碼我們有加碼不過實際上我們要增加整體的人才庫那才是最關鍵的那這個部分我們盡量來努力做你都講了你要努力做我當然希望我也知道你在努力做但是具體的方案是什麼呢你總要有個案子然後多少錢時間表你講我要擴大人才庫所以我從人才庫下手\n\n9\n00:03:19,753 --> 00:03:34,448\n生化化委員這個部分一直都有在做我請局長跟您報告請跟委員報告一下當然這個就是說四季缺元的部分是一個比較多面向的一個課題啦是啊那剛剛委員也提到一個重點事務上大概公路科運跟四季科運大家也在這個搶人對\n\n10\n00:03:36,050 --> 00:03:59,382\n那兩個方面第一個部分的話大概就是費率的調整那因為費率調整市區客運的費率跟公路客運各有又不一樣嘛對有調整的客運但是我們公路客運包括一般公路客運國道客運跟一般公路客運的部分的話目前我們也是只要工會有這個建議的話我們就會這個啟動上一次工會建議的時候講了講半天調調一點點\n\n11\n00:04:00,963 --> 00:04:12,706\n對不對我就擔心這個事嘛你當然都有努力但是你顯然你的強度跟實際上數據的反應沒有顯現成果嘛然後第二個部分的話就是我們從這個月開始這個北中南就會啟動四個這個招募的一個這個活動\n\n12\n00:04:19,868 --> 00:04:40,148\n然後現在就是說這個加碼的部分的話其實剛剛委員有提到我們從新進到培養到這個9任獎金的話其實整個加起來高達21萬元的部分那我們也希望說透過這樣子的一個誘因多鼓勵一些人能夠唯一能夠檢證你的努力跟你的加碼有沒有效果其實就是業者的反應跟具體的數字\n\n13\n00:04:43,371 --> 00:04:53,677\n那顯然就是有落差我是希望交通部可以再做研議跟改善該條捷運好幾百億對不對你下一個專案幫客運業者這個地方司機做加薪\n\n14\n00:04:54,844 --> 00:05:15,024\n我跟你講效果會比較好啦那你未來再去談增班增加路線他其實會有正面效果這我都講很多次了啦好不好部長你把還有局長把相關的這樣子的一些方案你會要提供資料給本席可以嗎好沒問題好另外還有花一點點時間另外一個題目我也要提醒一下我在你的業務報告裡面喔有看到你們在講說我現在這個科育業者\n\n15\n00:05:15,484 --> 00:05:36,396\n訓具要電動化嘛希望他改用電動化去減低碳排這方向都正確的我也很支持可是問題是你的配套啊對不對你是不是有有大客車電動大客車你是不是有充電的問題那我看你的郵報來講我現在幫忙偵測相關的一些充電樁等等你大概都放在你現在可以調度的區域比如說高速公路的休息站啊對不對部分的這些\n\n16\n00:05:37,256 --> 00:06:04,278\n這些小的地方但關鍵是什麼你們有沒有跟客運業者了解一下客運業者最大除了司機缺員另外一個是廠站不足我沒有停車場你說地方上也可以編停車場用地給他地方停車場當然都優先解決私家車停車問題部長以前做過議員應該也很清楚對不對你很難實務上讓公共汽車的大客車的停車場變成優先性比較高所以我認為這個部分其實也需要交通部安排專案的政策誘因\n\n17\n00:06:05,399 --> 00:06:21,872\n你怎麼樣去輔導客運業者跟地方政府協調或者是由你中央來主導去增加駐車場站那可以配合你的大型的這個客運的電動化充電的配套你是不是一併安排好你這樣整套的運具轉型的這樣的政策才會成功嘛\n\n18\n00:06:22,532 --> 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那各地來做之後就出現一個狀況就變市區公車跟國道客運搶人因為現在市區公車的待遇變好了國道客運待遇沒有變那就變成市區公車的人力荒稍微疏解可是國道客運的人力荒加劇\n127671\t155463\t那問題就出現了那那怎麼辦呢可是國道客運我也不能要求我台灣市政府去補貼國道客運這樣蠻奇怪的嘛主管機關現在怎麼樣都是公路局嘛那現在是北北基桃還有剛剛宜蘭對不對這都是國道客運那個重運重度需求的這樣子的一些縣市跟通勤需求是有相關的那如果國道客運的這樣子的一個新司機的駕駛的待遇不夠好你中央沒有進行相應的補貼你至少要把水準拉起那就會造成\n156784\t172159\t公路客運的價值就沒有辦法上升啊對不對你可以看表格嘛市區客運價值之前疫情完之後下降下降完之後季初這補貼之後他就回升到正常的水準但國道客運沒有嘛他沒有相應的往上\n173239\t199393\t我們其實有做加碼啦那或許加碼的速度沒有市區客運這麼多那但是這個部分加碼我們有加碼不過實際上我們要增加整體的人才庫那才是最關鍵的那這個部分我們盡量來努力做你都講了你要努力做我當然希望我也知道你在努力做但是具體的方案是什麼呢你總要有個案子然後多少錢時間表你講我要擴大人才庫所以我從人才庫下手\n199753\t214448\t生化化委員這個部分一直都有在做我請局長跟您報告請跟委員報告一下當然這個就是說四季缺元的部分是一個比較多面向的一個課題啦是啊那剛剛委員也提到一個重點事務上大概公路科運跟四季科運大家也在這個搶人對\n216050\t239382\t那兩個方面第一個部分的話大概就是費率的調整那因為費率調整市區客運的費率跟公路客運各有又不一樣嘛對有調整的客運但是我們公路客運包括一般公路客運國道客運跟一般公路客運的部分的話目前我們也是只要工會有這個建議的話我們就會這個啟動上一次工會建議的時候講了講半天調調一點點\n240963\t252706\t對不對我就擔心這個事嘛你當然都有努力但是你顯然你的強度跟實際上數據的反應沒有顯現成果嘛然後第二個部分的話就是我們從這個月開始這個北中南就會啟動四個這個招募的一個這個活動\n259868\t280148\t然後現在就是說這個加碼的部分的話其實剛剛委員有提到我們從新進到培養到這個9任獎金的話其實整個加起來高達21萬元的部分那我們也希望說透過這樣子的一個誘因多鼓勵一些人能夠唯一能夠檢證你的努力跟你的加碼有沒有效果其實就是業者的反應跟具體的數字\n283371\t293677\t那顯然就是有落差我是希望交通部可以再做研議跟改善該條捷運好幾百億對不對你下一個專案幫客運業者這個地方司機做加薪\n294844\t315024\t我跟你講效果會比較好啦那你未來再去談增班增加路線他其實會有正面效果這我都講很多次了啦好不好部長你把還有局長把相關的這樣子的一些方案你會要提供資料給本席可以嗎好沒問題好另外還有花一點點時間另外一個題目我也要提醒一下我在你的業務報告裡面喔有看到你們在講說我現在這個科育業者\n315484\t336396\t訓具要電動化嘛 希望他改用電動化去減低碳排 這方向都正確的 我也很支持可是問題是你的配套啊 對不對 你是不是有有大客車 電動大客車 你是不是有充電的問題那我看你的郵報來講 我現在幫忙偵測相關的一些充電樁等等 你大概都放在你現在可以調度的區域 比如說高速公路的休息站啊 對不對 部分的這些\n337256\t364278\t這些小的地方但關鍵是什麼你們有沒有跟客運業者了解一下客運業者最大除了司機缺員另外一個是廠站不足我沒有停車場你說地方上也可以編停車場用地給他地方停車場當然都優先解決私家車停車問題部長以前做過議員應該也很清楚對不對你很難實務上讓公共汽車的大客車的停車場變成優先性比較高所以我認為這個部分其實也需要交通部安排專案的政策誘因\n365399\t381872\t你怎麼樣去輔導客運業者跟地方政府協調或者是由你中央來主導去增加駐車場站那可以配合你的大型的這個客運的電動化充電的配套你是不是一併安排好你這樣整套的運具轉型的這樣的政策才會成功嘛\n382532\t398431\t部長這個部分你有沒有什麼樣的想法住車場站的部分您在建議的這個部分我們會跟業者大家來討論那也要跟地方政府大家一起來討論因為說實在的地都不在交通部的手上當然所以政策誘因很重要大家一起來商量這個事\n399272\t424867\t那另外一方面我們希望說未來的整個充電的效率可以再更提高所以我們也正在研議說怎麼樣用AI的系統讓它充電的效率更提高讓它的充電樁不需要裝那麼多場站不需要那麼多但是每一台車都能夠充到電這個部分我們正在研究當中部長我希望你召集一下地方各個交通局也好還有客運業者來針對場站跟電動運具的轉型啦你也許開一個研討會或什麼的嘛\n425427\t436689\t好不好 你把相關具體的安排跟時間給我就是跟黃國昌委員一樣對不對你馬上就說安排會刊我希望你可以馬上安排開會我也要來參加 可以嗎好 不好意思主席 謝謝好 謝謝劉許廷委員\n","txt":"副總委辛苦了 這個看到我就知道我要繼續問什麼對不對這個國道客運的部分 是我先感謝一下公路局前一段時間有積極幫忙協調我們在南侃的地方1841也好 5250也好班次上都做了一些調整讓班次可以增加但既然班次要增加因為我們在這個過程之中其實也找了客運業者一起來談那他的老問題其實並沒有被解決也就是說司機缺額的問題還是沒有被處理\n那馬上又到預算會期你要編明年度的預算那我大概看了一下好像也是沒有新的政策出來這本期還是覺得比較遺憾部長我們到底什麼時候可以徹底解決薪資缺口的問題報告委員其實人力缺口的這個議題在各個交通的單位都遇到同樣的狀況\n應該全臺灣的各行各業都遇到同樣的狀況那您在提醒的這個薪資的部分我們也很感謝桃園市政府桃園市政府針對這個駕駛的薪資的部分其實也有做一定的努力我們交通部的部分也會做一定的補助跟協助這個部分其實過去像您所說的過去該做的方案我們繼續再做那委員如果有更好的建議或許可以建議給我們我們來思考看怎麼樣精進\n那個我就是要談這件事情因為現在是地方政府走得比中央政府快那就會出現一些什麼樣的狀況比如說新竹縣就有授訓級就業的補助計畫授訓期間生活津貼等等錢領得不少當然因為新竹縣之前也因為公車司機的問題客運業者出現很大的狀況桃園市加碼補貼最簡單一個人一萬\n雙北現在也講了在運價調整的時候他們編列預算補貼票價短差之外他有附帶要求客運業者要把這一筆相關的票差補貼拿來變成司機加薪好 那各地來做之後就出現一個狀況就變市區公車跟國道客運搶人因為現在市區公車的待遇變好了國道客運待遇沒有變那就變成市區公車的人力荒稍微疏解可是國道客運的人力荒加劇\n那問題就出現了那那怎麼辦呢可是國道客運我也不能要求我台灣市政府去補貼國道客運這樣蠻奇怪的嘛主管機關現在怎麼樣都是公路局嘛那現在是北北基桃還有剛剛宜蘭對不對這都是國道客運那個重運重度需求的這樣子的一些縣市跟通勤需求是有相關的那如果國道客運的這樣子的一個新司機的駕駛的待遇不夠好你中央沒有進行相應的補貼你至少要把水準拉起那就會造成\n公路客運的價值就沒有辦法上升啊對不對你可以看表格嘛市區客運價值之前疫情完之後下降下降完之後季初這補貼之後他就回升到正常的水準但國道客運沒有嘛他沒有相應的往上\n我們其實有做加碼啦那或許加碼的速度沒有市區客運這麼多那但是這個部分加碼我們有加碼不過實際上我們要增加整體的人才庫那才是最關鍵的那這個部分我們盡量來努力做你都講了你要努力做我當然希望我也知道你在努力做但是具體的方案是什麼呢你總要有個案子然後多少錢時間表你講我要擴大人才庫所以我從人才庫下手\n生化化委員這個部分一直都有在做我請局長跟您報告請跟委員報告一下當然這個就是說四季缺元的部分是一個比較多面向的一個課題啦是啊那剛剛委員也提到一個重點事務上大概公路科運跟四季科運大家也在這個搶人對\n那兩個方面第一個部分的話大概就是費率的調整那因為費率調整市區客運的費率跟公路客運各有又不一樣嘛對有調整的客運但是我們公路客運包括一般公路客運國道客運跟一般公路客運的部分的話目前我們也是只要工會有這個建議的話我們就會這個啟動上一次工會建議的時候講了講半天調調一點點\n對不對我就擔心這個事嘛你當然都有努力但是你顯然你的強度跟實際上數據的反應沒有顯現成果嘛然後第二個部分的話就是我們從這個月開始這個北中南就會啟動四個這個招募的一個這個活動\n然後現在就是說這個加碼的部分的話其實剛剛委員有提到我們從新進到培養到這個9任獎金的話其實整個加起來高達21萬元的部分那我們也希望說透過這樣子的一個誘因多鼓勵一些人能夠唯一能夠檢證你的努力跟你的加碼有沒有效果其實就是業者的反應跟具體的數字\n那顯然就是有落差我是希望交通部可以再做研議跟改善該條捷運好幾百億對不對你下一個專案幫客運業者這個地方司機做加薪\n我跟你講效果會比較好啦那你未來再去談增班增加路線他其實會有正面效果這我都講很多次了啦好不好部長你把還有局長把相關的這樣子的一些方案你會要提供資料給本席可以嗎好沒問題好另外還有花一點點時間另外一個題目我也要提醒一下我在你的業務報告裡面喔有看到你們在講說我現在這個科育業者\n訓具要電動化嘛 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