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00:02:12,063\n我們這可行性的評估案其實去年審查已經通過了嘛對不對所以去年四月他第二次審查會議已經通過報告書也已經修正高工局的審議那去年十二月高工局是不是就已經送到交通部了\n\n8\n00:02:12,603 --> 00:02:40,208\n部長是這樣嗎是到今年年初因為跟委員報告因為這個可行性是地方提那因為地方要提交流道的設計的形式那形式的話就是說當初提的就是說因為比如說南北向都要提不過因為東山它比較靠近國五的南比較偏蘇澳比較尾端的所以往尾端那個地方的這個方向其實方向性不夠所以我們當然請他們做個修正\n\n9\n00:02:40,728 --> 00:03:00,036\n即便從年初啦因為我我手邊知道是12月沒關係即便從今年年初那其實也卡了蠻久那我想要了解一下目前狀況怎麼樣可不可以麻煩部長或局長說明一下目前是在部裡面正在做審議啦我們會診各單位的意見各部會的意見我們正在做審議\n\n10\n00:03:02,273 --> 00:03:28,902\n還在審議是不是可是已經蠻久了因為我這樣講因為我自己譬如說看宜蘭還有另外一個案子我們先看一下高鐵案其實在宜蘭的地方當然大部分人都蠻支持但是他有一些不同的聲音曾經大家有在那邊有一些強烈的分歧但是當時只有一個一場公聽會之後就趕快送交環評其實我覺得高鐵中央對於高鐵的這個動作反而是\n\n11\n00:03:29,622 --> 00:03:48,125\n很積極那對於幾乎沒有什麼在地方沒有什麼爭議的這個交流道的部分感覺速度卻很慢這是我的第一個我覺得奇怪的地方那再來一個就是台南新營交流道他在去年8月審查通過等於是比\n\n12\n00:03:49,674 --> 00:04:07,275\n這個東山的這個更慢才審查通過但是呢他他卻很快在九月今年九月的時候行政院就已經核定了所以他的速度本來是比宜蘭慢但是呢他他行政院核定的速度卻很快那我想說\n\n13\n00:04:08,796 --> 00:04:32,743\n當然我不想要就是說有一些人地方上有些人說這一定是政治考量那台南那邊就會比較快宜蘭就一定比較慢我們不去討論這個但是可不可以麻煩不要讓地方上的人有這樣的懷疑或讓我們有這樣的懷疑能夠麻煩交通部這裡能夠加快速度不知道部長報告委員這個懷疑是不需要有的那我們也會加快速度是\n\n14\n00:04:33,143 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