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00:01:15,662\n我跟委員說明這兩個是完全不一樣的事情我們這次赴美採購100億美金最主要是它是一個每兩年一度的例行性的業者聯合採購已經辦了15次最主要的品項是黃豆玉米小麥跟牛肉\n\n4\n00:01:16,803 --> 00:01:42,975\n黃豆玉米小麥這個部分我們國內的自給率就非常非常的低舉個例子黃豆的自給率只有0.2然後玉米的自給率只有2.5左右牛肉的自給率也不過4.6所以這些產品都是國內需要然後我們進來以後能夠有效的反而會讓我們的生產成本降低\n\n5\n00:01:44,048 --> 00:02:08,926\n所以等於是說我們儘管是採買100億美元的這個農產品其實是在做互補性的是我們剛好是最缺這一部分的這個農產品也是因為我們這個部分也是一直以來都是很依賴的那既然由美國能夠提供的話那這樣子的購買其實對我的農業對我國的農業是沒有什麼太大衝擊甚至是對我們的包含一些飼料是降低它的費用都有幫助的對飼料的成本降低是有利的\n\n6\n00:02:09,690 --> 00:02:34,315\n那想請教一下那部長接下來有很多輪的談判那農業部有沒有建立包含這個敏感的產品的清單我為什麼一直在講稻米雞肉豬肉這些是因為我們包含嘉峪雲嘉南高高坪地區這些都是我們重要的農民的生產的這些作物跟肉品所以針對這些優先的必須要保護的項目我不知道部長有什麼樣的做法\n\n7\n00:02:35,410 --> 00:03:04,045\n最終的決策層級會是農業部還是雞貓辦還是國安會我非常了解大家的一個擔心跟疑慮但是現在因為談判還在談判的過程中我沒有辦法去做一些更詳細的說明但是農業部的立場就是一定會確保糧食安全然後同時讓我們這個產業能夠持續的永續發展更重要的是我們會確保農民的權益我們是用這三個基本的前提之下持續的在跟美國在做一個溝通\n\n8\n00:03:04,977 --> 00:03:32,466\n部長你剛才說這個確保農民的權益那有一些政府必須要設定的不可退讓的紅線包含農業部也要設定一些不可退讓的紅線那讓這些談判單位也要清楚的知道那我今天不斷重複就是稻米跟我們的這個肉品這個部分我還是希望說一定要讓負責談判的小組能夠知道說這是我們中南部非常重視的項目不可以輕易的來去放棄這個紅線\n\n9\n00:03:33,902 --> 00:03:47,370\n那我必須要再提到部長你這190億的農業任性的預算裡面有提到獎勵這個花種苗毛豆國產茶葉等等鬼頭魚無國魚來去破綻美國高端外銷市場所需經費約45億元\n\n10\n00:03:49,511 --> 00:04:17,894\n部長我們之所以要做這些事情我們剛剛提到在採購100億美元的美國農產品就是因為我們對美國有高度的順差為了降低順差的幅度所以我們才需要談判那我們同時要降低順差同時又要推銷到美國的產品在這個預算的項目裡特別標明美國市場這樣不是很矛盾嗎我的建議是不是說獎勵業者推展國際高端外銷市場不應該只去居住於在美國市場而已\n\n11\n00:04:18,314 --> 00:04:40,251\n因為這就跟我們的相關的政策是有所矛盾非常同意委員的講法這個部分我想可能是我們同仁在寫的時候因為我們在政策的內容除了美國市場其實更重要的是多元的高端市場所以這個45億我們未來不只是全部在美國有更多的高端市場我們也會一起來努力所以說科目就不必只寫美國因為你的科目就寫美國其實我們的目標是多方的市場的話\n\n12\n00:04:48,217 --> 00:05:16,825\n那也同時我們的政策目的就是某種程度就是美方就是希望我們來降低順差那我們還做這件事情的話感覺是在政策上面的互相抵消那第一個我們剛剛講到的這個黃豆小麥大豆我們的我國的自產率本來就低的東西這當然是有互補的這個我想也透過很多機會要讓農民朋友們知道但是我剛剛提到的稻米還有豬跟雞這個不斷的還是我要一再的強調那再來剛才提到糧食安全的準備\n\n13\n00:05:17,901 --> 00:05:31,023\n那部長我看到我們現在糧食的倉儲地點是不是過於集中會不會讓緊急狀態下的供應韌性對於這個分散式的倉儲或者是異地備援的規劃這個目前的進度是怎麼樣\n\n14\n00:05:31,956 --> 00:05:48,699\n我跟委員報告我們現在的全國的這些最主要的糧倉的部分其實是分布在我們所有的縣市每個縣市都有17個縣市最主要17個縣市因為都會區可能是用臨近的每個縣市我們都有他們相關的安全的一些備援\n\n15\n00:05:49,139 --> 00:06:02,237\n那也很抱歉因為這些地點跟實際的東西我現在沒辦法說我們只是要提醒我們有分散我們是有考慮到分散那未來也會針對這些糧倉做一些維修跟一些用冷藏可以讓它儲存更久的一個方式來處理\n\n16\n00:06:03,140 --> 00:06:20,519\n除了分散之外另外一個還要提點就是當然是依照人口跟偏遠地區都必須要有相關的配套的做法特別是也是要鼓勵農業部希望說各個不管是藉由宣傳還是用其他的方式還是要建議在偏遠地區的民眾假設在\n\n17\n00:06:21,340 --> 00:06:45,076\n完全斷源因為現在災害是頻繁的在狀況之下他們至少可以再維持在家中的糧食飲水電源設備至少要有10天以上這個部分我想農業部也必須要再加傳推廣因為特別是在偏遠山區的我們可能比方說我們阿里山翻入竹崎山區的話第一時間道路都會中斷等到道路重新清通之後再把相關的運輸品沖過去的話可能會太遲所以\n\n18\n00:06:46,537 --> 00:06:54,761\n藉由這個機會在國會還是希望大家能夠準備十天的以上的這個糧食跟飲水謝謝好謝謝委員的提醒謝謝好謝謝陳冠廷委員接下來我們請張雅琳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8188\t36130\t你好 我們請農業部部長好 請陳部長我也好部長好部長 日前我們賴總統有宣布說未來四年的國內業者可能會採購將近100億的美國農產品那這一次的清單雖然避開了稻米\n37989\t55104\t還有但是家裡的農民都在問我說下一次會不會擴大採購稻米雞和豬肉這個部分我們今天審查的190億的農業認証運算有沒有做最快的準備跟打算\n55723\t75662\t我跟委員說明這兩個是完全不一樣的事情我們這次赴美採購100億美金最主要是它是一個每兩年一度的例行性的業者聯合採購已經辦了15次最主要的品項是黃豆 玉米 小麥跟牛肉\n76803\t102975\t黃豆 玉米 小麥這個部分我們國內的自給率就非常非常的低舉個例子 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