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00:02:32,632\n謝謝委員這當然是我們應該要做的事如何方便我們的婦女朋友可以工作與生活平衡彈性嬰嬰留庭或讓她盡量保持在職場上這是我們勞動部當委之事委員所提到這些事情我們都目前正在檢討當中我們會朝方便婦女朋友的申請還有友善化的方向來檢討改進\n\n9\n00:02:34,053 --> 00:02:50,351\n可是我想現在還有企業面臨到的一些問題啦剛剛講其實是企業面臨到的問題那企業的部分像線上申請這個部分是可行的嗎我們其實推動相關的申請友善化本來就很多線上申請的作為那這邊企業\n\n10\n00:02:52,433 --> 00:03:12,918\n大中型的企業是沒有問題的那中小型的企業這邊有賴於我們透過相應的協助讓他知道便利的申請方式我相信其實未來隨著AI時代的來臨數位化的落差會逐漸去彌平好那我想因為時間很有限我想我先到下一個部分就是說\n\n11\n00:03:14,338 --> 00:03:35,474\n我們其實現在我們不管是在女性來說我們看到非常多的媽媽她們都希望有彈性共識這件事情那我們也發現從數據上面數據上面其實我們的女性在疫情之後她完全在家上班的這個數字其實是大幅提升的跟過去相比來說所以\n\n12\n00:03:36,815 --> 00:03:51,569\n我們知道說這的確是有一些挑戰但是我想這個還是蠻需要去落實這個性工法第19條的一個規範提供這個彈性工時那我想請次長是不是可以我們可不可以加速來讓這件事情來進行這樣子\n\n13\n00:03:51,749 --> 00:04:16,943\n沒有問題我們未來會針對女性的老公朋友如何在家工作或者是協商那個休息的時間等等或以至於育兒照顧長者需求相應的部分我們都會來一併的來檢討讓他彈性化可以增加女性朋友的一個工作上的好那我想這個是不是可以提出一個方案給我們好不好好那抱歉我趕快謝謝我們先請衛福部衛福部\n\n14\n00:04:21,005 --> 00:04:48,640\n张委员你好市长好就是说其实我们之前看到那个卫福部提供的资料就是说我们有个强化关怀老人服务的计划是而是我们去看如果以我们计划关怀仿生人数对照内政部的设计资料来说其实覆盖率只有六分之一其实是非常非常低的那我们这一次呢在除了我们看到说未来一定会成长越老人一定是越来越多了是没错那我们现在有几个问题第一个就是说我们涉及到\n\n15\n00:04:49,580 --> 00:05:13,137\n我們有許多的獨居長者其實是沒有被納入這個服務網路的那原因就有可能是因為地方沒有去積極的盤點啦整合不同單位的資料所以衛福部這邊是不是可以來去督導我們地方政府強化的去整合我們不管是戶政或是警政以及我們社政的相關系統來確保我們的確有掌握到所有的獨老的這個數字這部分是可以的嗎是\n\n16\n00:05:14,137 --> 00:05:31,057\n包委員我們確實就正照委員您剛剛所說我們會朝這個方向那我也有幾個啦有幾個數字第一個內政部他現在所說的這個基本上基本上只是就是說那個戶數基本上只是那個所謂的住宅還有那個所謂戶數但我們現在目前必須要有實際方式\n\n17\n00:05:32,438 --> 00:05:43,954\n之後我們來知道他真正的需求所以就是說獨老裡面其實老實說獨老也有自願性獨老跟非自願性那我們現在目前是非自願性裡面有福利需求的我們現在目前要target在這個群體\n\n18\n00:05:45,340 --> 00:06:02,437\n所以你们现在有非自愿读老的数字是已经都算出来了吗还是还没有正因为我们现在就是不清楚所以我们要经过这两年三个月我们跟内政部我们非常感谢内政部这边的帮忙我们会透过民政系统来做一个全国性的普查\n\n19\n00:06:03,098 --> 00:06:18,653\n那我跟委員報告我們現在目前全國我們現在目前的65歲以上總共有468萬佔總人口在19.67但是呢按照我們現在目前估出來真正有需要的應該是9%所以總共我們是抓70萬\n\n20\n00:06:20,334 --> 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那抱歉我趕快謝謝我們先請衛福部衛福部\n261005\t288640\t张委员你好市长好就是说其实我们之前看到那个卫福部提供的资料就是说我们有个强化关怀老人服务的计划是而是我们去看如果以我们计划关怀仿生人数对照内政部的设计资料来说其实覆盖率只有六分之一其实是非常非常低的那我们这一次呢在除了我们看到说未来一定会成长越老人一定是越来越多了是没错那我们现在有几个问题第一个就是说我们涉及到\n289580\t313137\t我們有許多的獨居長者其實是沒有被納入這個服務網路的那原因就有可能是因為地方沒有去積極的盤點啦整合不同單位的資料所以衛福部這邊是不是可以來去督導我們地方政府強化的去整合我們不管是戶政或是警政以及我們社政的相關系統來確保我們的確有掌握到所有的獨老的這個數字這部分是可以的嗎是\n314137\t331057\t包委員我們確實就正照委員您剛剛所說我們會朝這個方向那我也有幾個啦有幾個數字第一個內政部他現在所說的這個基本上基本上只是就是說那個戶數基本上只是那個所謂的住宅還有那個所謂戶數但我們現在目前必須要有實際方式\n332438\t343954\t之後我們來知道他真正的需求所以就是說獨老裡面其實老實說獨老也有自願性獨老跟非自願性那我們現在目前是非自願性裡面有福利需求的我們現在目前要target在這個群體\n345340\t362437\t所以你们现在有非自愿读老的数字是已经都算出来了吗还是还没有正因为我们现在就是不清楚所以我们要经过这两年三个月我们跟内政部我们非常感谢内政部这边的帮忙我们会透过民政系统来做一个全国性的普查\n363098\t378653\t那我跟委員報告我們現在目前全國我們現在目前的65歲以上總共有468萬佔總人口在19.67但是呢按照我們現在目前估出來真正有需要的應該是9%所以總共我們是抓70萬\n380334\t406535\t我們是這樣做這樣的估算那分兩年嘛一年3535這樣來做這個估算我想確定一件事情就好就是說因為現在看起來你們已經有掌握一個大概的數字嘛所以現在我們看起來只有覆蓋了一部分非常非常少的一部分所以我們現在是不是有個具體的規劃時程大概什麼時候可以完成這樣子的一個覆蓋率呢我們有這樣子的計畫嗎就誠如我們就是在這次任性計畫裡面我們提出一個整個兩年兩年級的計畫兩年級的計畫會完成覆蓋\n409797\t427609\t對 沒錯 就是能夠達到我們剛剛說的預估值70萬從現在目前有照顧的5萬多大幅成長到70萬這樣所以在兩年之後我們就會覆蓋了是的 沒錯 好了解 謝謝好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝張雅琳委員市長請回接下來我們請林岳勤委員\n","txt":"有請勞動部次長和衛福部次長來請次長陳次長還有呂次長張委員好\n好我們先請教那個勞動部勞動部就是說我在之前在第三會期的時候呢我其實曾經有詢問過勞動部有關於女性勞參率的問題希望可以提出精進法案因為目前我們人力短缺可是我們的女性勞參率只有52%那後來呢\n就是说我们其实也有发现女性其实呢在就业的意愿其实是蛮高的可是因为她有很多不管是育儿啦或是离开职场太久之后她有些技能上面可能没有办法符合时代的需求所以后来劳动部有提供给我们一个精进作为就是说我们会简化工时调整奖励申请的方式及流程\n達到實質雇用及協商工時調整之效益但是我們也發現就是說在這個113年其實我們在彈性工時的調整獎勵上面的職缺只有3631個那推介就業只有844個換算成女性勞參率大概也只有0.05%\n0.05%那同时我们也询问过了一些企业那其实他们也提到了有三个问题对于他们来说其实是希望可以再调整的第一个就是说申请文件繁复虽然说随到随选可是只要有什么状况的话补件他就要来回奔波\n第二个就是不确定性跟风险成本也就是说它补助被核定的时候它虽然被核定可是它会延后才进来所以就变成它要先垫付一些成本例如工资行政支出等等的还有企业成本的考量就是说今天金额奖励的金额其实是偏低的补助的时间可能最长也只有12个月所以对于部分的企业来说其实是很难覆盖它的行政成本\n那同时呢我想问一下就是说针对抱歉针对这三点我们是不是有可能改善那同时是不是有可能在申请文件这件事情改成是线上申请的方式减少企业周车劳顿的时间\n謝謝委員 這當然是我們應該要做的事如何方便我們的婦女朋友可以工作與生活平衡 彈性嬰嬰留庭或讓她盡量保持在職場上這是我們勞動部當委之事委員所提到這些事情我們都目前正在檢討當中我們會朝方便婦女朋友的申請還有友善化的方向來檢討改進\n可是我想現在還有企業面臨到的一些問題啦剛剛講其實是企業面臨到的問題那企業的部分像線上申請這個部分是可行的嗎我們其實推動相關的申請友善化本來就很多線上申請的作為那這邊企業\n大中型的企業是沒有問題的那中小型的企業這邊有賴於我們透過相應的協助讓他知道便利的申請方式我相信其實未來隨著AI時代的來臨數位化的落差會逐漸去彌平好 那我想因為時間很有限我想我先到下一個部分就是說\n我們其實現在我們不管是在女性來說我們看到非常多的媽媽她們都希望有彈性共識這件事情那我們也發現從數據上面數據上面其實我們的女性在疫情之後她完全在家上班的這個數字其實是大幅提升的跟過去相比來說所以\n我們知道說這的確是有一些挑戰但是我想這個還是蠻需要去落實這個性工法第19條的一個規範提供這個彈性工時那我想請次長是不是可以我們可不可以加速來讓這件事情來進行這樣子\n沒有問題 我們未來會針對女性的老公朋友如何在家工作或者是協商那個休息的時間等等或以至於育兒照顧長者需求相應的部分我們都會來一併的來檢討讓他彈性化可以增加女性朋友的一個工作上的好 那我想這個是不是可以提出一個方案給我們好不好好 那抱歉我趕快謝謝我們先請衛福部衛福部\n张委员你好市长好就是说其实我们之前看到那个卫福部提供的资料就是说我们有个强化关怀老人服务的计划是而是我们去看如果以我们计划关怀仿生人数对照内政部的设计资料来说其实覆盖率只有六分之一其实是非常非常低的那我们这一次呢在除了我们看到说未来一定会成长越老人一定是越来越多了是没错那我们现在有几个问题第一个就是说我们涉及到\n我們有許多的獨居長者其實是沒有被納入這個服務網路的那原因就有可能是因為地方沒有去積極的盤點啦整合不同單位的資料所以衛福部這邊是不是可以來去督導我們地方政府強化的去整合我們不管是戶政或是警政以及我們社政的相關系統來確保我們的確有掌握到所有的獨老的這個數字這部分是可以的嗎是\n包委員我們確實就正照委員您剛剛所說我們會朝這個方向那我也有幾個啦有幾個數字第一個內政部他現在所說的這個基本上基本上只是就是說那個戶數基本上只是那個所謂的住宅還有那個所謂戶數但我們現在目前必須要有實際方式\n之後我們來知道他真正的需求所以就是說獨老裡面其實老實說獨老也有自願性獨老跟非自願性那我們現在目前是非自願性裡面有福利需求的我們現在目前要target在這個群體\n所以你们现在有非自愿读老的数字是已经都算出来了吗还是还没有正因为我们现在就是不清楚所以我们要经过这两年三个月我们跟内政部我们非常感谢内政部这边的帮忙我们会透过民政系统来做一个全国性的普查\n那我跟委員報告我們現在目前全國我們現在目前的65歲以上總共有468萬佔總人口在19.67但是呢按照我們現在目前估出來真正有需要的應該是9%所以總共我們是抓70萬\n我們是這樣做這樣的估算那分兩年嘛一年3535這樣來做這個估算我想確定一件事情就好就是說因為現在看起來你們已經有掌握一個大概的數字嘛所以現在我們看起來只有覆蓋了一部分非常非常少的一部分所以我們現在是不是有個具體的規劃時程大概什麼時候可以完成這樣子的一個覆蓋率呢我們有這樣子的計畫嗎就誠如我們就是在這次任性計畫裡面我們提出一個整個兩年兩年級的計畫兩年級的計畫會完成覆蓋\n對 沒錯 就是能夠達到我們剛剛說的預估值70萬從現在目前有照顧的5萬多大幅成長到70萬這樣所以在兩年之後我們就會覆蓋了是的 沒錯 好了解 謝謝好 謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝張雅琳委員市長請回接下來我們請林岳勤委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:01.950\n有請勞動部次長和衛福部次長來請次長陳次長還有呂次長張委員好\n\n00:17.486 --> 00:31.175\n好我們先請教那個勞動部勞動部就是說我在之前在第三會期的時候呢我其實曾經有詢問過勞動部有關於女性勞參率的問題希望可以提出精進法案因為目前我們人力短缺可是我們的女性勞參率只有52%那後來呢\n\n00:33.897 --> 00:51.436\n就是说我们其实也有发现女性其实呢在就业的意愿其实是蛮高的可是因为她有很多不管是育儿啦或是离开职场太久之后她有些技能上面可能没有办法符合时代的需求所以后来劳动部有提供给我们一个精进作为就是说我们会简化工时调整奖励申请的方式及流程\n\n00:52.277 --> 01:11.089\n達到實質雇用及協商工時調整之效益但是我們也發現就是說在這個113年其實我們在彈性工時的調整獎勵上面的職缺只有3631個那推介就業只有844個換算成女性勞參率大概也只有0.05%\n\n01:14.331 --> 01:29.520\n0.05%那同时我们也询问过了一些企业那其实他们也提到了有三个问题对于他们来说其实是希望可以再调整的第一个就是说申请文件繁复虽然说随到随选可是只要有什么状况的话补件他就要来回奔波\n\n01:30.632 --> 01:55.815\n第二个就是不确定性跟风险成本也就是说它补助被核定的时候它虽然被核定可是它会延后才进来所以就变成它要先垫付一些成本例如工资行政支出等等的还有企业成本的考量就是说今天金额奖励的金额其实是偏低的补助的时间可能最长也只有12个月所以对于部分的企业来说其实是很难覆盖它的行政成本\n\n01:56.616 --> 02:11.221\n那同时呢我想问一下就是说针对抱歉针对这三点我们是不是有可能改善那同时是不是有可能在申请文件这件事情改成是线上申请的方式减少企业周车劳顿的时间\n\n02:12.376 --> 02:32.632\n謝謝委員這當然是我們應該要做的事如何方便我們的婦女朋友可以工作與生活平衡彈性嬰嬰留庭或讓她盡量保持在職場上這是我們勞動部當委之事委員所提到這些事情我們都目前正在檢討當中我們會朝方便婦女朋友的申請還有友善化的方向來檢討改進\n\n02:34.053 --> 02:50.351\n可是我想現在還有企業面臨到的一些問題啦剛剛講其實是企業面臨到的問題那企業的部分像線上申請這個部分是可行的嗎我們其實推動相關的申請友善化本來就很多線上申請的作為那這邊企業\n\n02:52.433 --> 03:12.918\n大中型的企業是沒有問題的那中小型的企業這邊有賴於我們透過相應的協助讓他知道便利的申請方式我相信其實未來隨著AI時代的來臨數位化的落差會逐漸去彌平好那我想因為時間很有限我想我先到下一個部分就是說\n\n03:14.338 --> 03:35.474\n我們其實現在我們不管是在女性來說我們看到非常多的媽媽她們都希望有彈性共識這件事情那我們也發現從數據上面數據上面其實我們的女性在疫情之後她完全在家上班的這個數字其實是大幅提升的跟過去相比來說所以\n\n03:36.815 --> 03:51.569\n我們知道說這的確是有一些挑戰但是我想這個還是蠻需要去落實這個性工法第19條的一個規範提供這個彈性工時那我想請次長是不是可以我們可不可以加速來讓這件事情來進行這樣子\n\n03:51.749 --> 04:16.943\n沒有問題我們未來會針對女性的老公朋友如何在家工作或者是協商那個休息的時間等等或以至於育兒照顧長者需求相應的部分我們都會來一併的來檢討讓他彈性化可以增加女性朋友的一個工作上的好那我想這個是不是可以提出一個方案給我們好不好好那抱歉我趕快謝謝我們先請衛福部衛福部\n\n04:21.005 --> 04:48.640\n张委员你好市长好就是说其实我们之前看到那个卫福部提供的资料就是说我们有个强化关怀老人服务的计划是而是我们去看如果以我们计划关怀仿生人数对照内政部的设计资料来说其实覆盖率只有六分之一其实是非常非常低的那我们这一次呢在除了我们看到说未来一定会成长越老人一定是越来越多了是没错那我们现在有几个问题第一个就是说我们涉及到\n\n04:49.580 --> 05:13.137\n我們有許多的獨居長者其實是沒有被納入這個服務網路的那原因就有可能是因為地方沒有去積極的盤點啦整合不同單位的資料所以衛福部這邊是不是可以來去督導我們地方政府強化的去整合我們不管是戶政或是警政以及我們社政的相關系統來確保我們的確有掌握到所有的獨老的這個數字這部分是可以的嗎是\n\n05:14.137 --> 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