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00:02:57,086\n這邊希望能夠藉助這些組織的力量來導入我們一些我們基本上我們村裡的這個階層因為沒有他們的指導跟沒有他們的參與的話其實在部落裡面很難去推動所謂的防災的一個動作然後現在而且會讓他們覺得說沒有被重視像這次我們看到我們馬太安是他們有提出了個五大訴求\n\n9\n00:02:57,586 --> 00:03:17,902\n那我也希望說這個基層防災這個維生設備能夠把他們這個五大訴求能夠寬列在那裡面然後希望部長能夠來研議這些我們的軟硬體設備啊或者是區域物資的整備還有一些設備選購的部分都能夠去聽取他們的意見好嗎部長\n\n10\n00:03:19,703 --> 00:03:38,048\n謝謝委員的指教我想分成兩個層面第一個我們現在在全台灣278個地方推動所謂的防災協作中心當然這是以鄉鎮公所或者是區公所為主那我們增加替代役的人力這是一個然後在這個防災協作中心有必要的包括像緊急發電設備等等都會編列進去\n\n11\n00:03:40,089 --> 00:04:03,969\n那您現在所提到的就是比較有可能造成抑制災或者是孤島部落的原住民的區域的地方我們已經跟原民會來商量就是我們要不要成立原住民的特收隊那這個原住民的特收隊會根據每個地方或是不同的部落裡面我們要做特訓如果你沒有做特訓的話自己沒辦法救自己要救別人其實反而會造成更多的災害\n\n12\n00:04:05,070 --> 00:04:31,191\n所以如果有这样子的一个特殊部队要成立的时候第一个他会在消防署经过特殊训练之后他必须要的装备或是必须要的设备是什么然后要怎么样协助到如果发生大型天灾不管是地震或者是其他的大水来的时候才能够真正做好比较防灾的部分这是一个第二个就是所谓的任性社区这次在马太安西里面艳色湖的部落有一位王子安村长\n\n13\n00:04:33,152 --> 00:04:51,210\n他就是112年了我們消防署有認證過的這個防災任性社區的非常好的代表所以他在疏散他的災民的時候呢他是用阿美族阿美族的族語啊幫忙做疏散而且平常也都有開會那這樣子的一個方式呢如果大部分在部落的領袖或者是\n\n14\n00:04:51,850 --> 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部長\n謝謝委員的指教我想分成兩個層面第一個我們現在在全台灣278個地方推動所謂的防災協作中心當然這是以鄉鎮公所或者是區公所為主那我們增加替代役的人力這是一個然後在這個防災協作中心有必要的包括像緊急發電設備等等都會編列進去\n那您現在所提到的就是比較有可能造成抑制災或者是孤島部落的原住民的區域的地方我們已經跟原民會來商量就是我們要不要成立原住民的特收隊那這個原住民的特收隊會根據每個地方或是不同的部落裡面我們要做特訓如果你沒有做特訓的話自己沒辦法救自己要救別人其實反而會造成更多的災害\n所以如果有这样子的一个特殊部队要成立的时候第一个他会在消防署经过特殊训练之后他必须要的装备或是必须要的设备是什么然后要怎么样协助到如果发生大型天灾不管是地震或者是其他的大水来的时候才能够真正做好比较防灾的部分这是一个第二个就是所谓的任性社区这次在马太安西里面艳色湖的部落有一位王子安村长\n他就是112年了我們消防署有認證過的這個防災任性社區的非常好的代表所以他在疏散他的災民的時候呢他是用阿美族阿美族的族語啊幫忙做疏散而且平常也都有開會那這樣子的一個方式呢如果大部分在部落的領袖或者是\n在村里長願意接受的話部落的領袖我們會透過園民會的系統來協助如果是村里的階層的話我們透過原來的鄉鎮區公所來共同協助我想用這樣的雙管齊下的方式來協助我們在孤島部落裡面或者是原住民區域比較多的聚落可以達成真正做到防災的效果\n謝謝部長還有就是說在提醒的就是也要盤點一些常常會缺水的地方雖然有些地方是有減益自來水或者是說沒有自來水的地區可是如果你可以預期說他沒有水的時候可以先把他的一些\n安全存量的用水放到部落那邊去不然我們這次光捐贈那個有些部落沒有水可以捐贈到一千多箱的水然後我是覺得說到最後如果都來找我們的話我們真的是沒有辦法一定要請我們內政部來統籌這樣的一個\n報告委員大概有兩個方向如果他是平常的生活裡面缺水的話大致上是有園民會或是經濟部來協助但是如果你說到就是譬如說在天災期間收容安置單位裡面通常我們都會建議他有一星期以上的存水\n但是這次可能收容安置所裡面人口暴增因為有大量要收容這些部分所以會產生缺水的狀況但是後續有些其他的緊急的設備就會來協助那這個部分包括在天災的時候需要有緊急的一個水的設備的處理這是一個過濾器的設備包括慈濟基金會也會有我們會綁下它這樣的方式然後配備到災區裡面供大家來用\n好 謝謝部長 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02:57.086\n這邊希望能夠藉助這些組織的力量來導入我們一些我們基本上我們村裡的這個階層因為沒有他們的指導跟沒有他們的參與的話其實在部落裡面很難去推動所謂的防災的一個動作然後現在而且會讓他們覺得說沒有被重視像這次我們看到我們馬太安是他們有提出了個五大訴求\n\n02:57.586 --> 03:17.902\n那我也希望說這個基層防災這個維生設備能夠把他們這個五大訴求能夠寬列在那裡面然後希望部長能夠來研議這些我們的軟硬體設備啊或者是區域物資的整備還有一些設備選購的部分都能夠去聽取他們的意見好嗎部長\n\n03:19.703 --> 03:38.048\n謝謝委員的指教我想分成兩個層面第一個我們現在在全台灣278個地方推動所謂的防災協作中心當然這是以鄉鎮公所或者是區公所為主那我們增加替代役的人力這是一個然後在這個防災協作中心有必要的包括像緊急發電設備等等都會編列進去\n\n03:40.089 --> 04:03.969\n那您現在所提到的就是比較有可能造成抑制災或者是孤島部落的原住民的區域的地方我們已經跟原民會來商量就是我們要不要成立原住民的特收隊那這個原住民的特收隊會根據每個地方或是不同的部落裡面我們要做特訓如果你沒有做特訓的話自己沒辦法救自己要救別人其實反而會造成更多的災害\n\n04:05.070 --> 04:31.191\n所以如果有这样子的一个特殊部队要成立的时候第一个他会在消防署经过特殊训练之后他必须要的装备或是必须要的设备是什么然后要怎么样协助到如果发生大型天灾不管是地震或者是其他的大水来的时候才能够真正做好比较防灾的部分这是一个第二个就是所谓的任性社区这次在马太安西里面艳色湖的部落有一位王子安村长\n\n04:33.152 --> 04:51.210\n他就是112年了我們消防署有認證過的這個防災任性社區的非常好的代表所以他在疏散他的災民的時候呢他是用阿美族阿美族的族語啊幫忙做疏散而且平常也都有開會那這樣子的一個方式呢如果大部分在部落的領袖或者是\n\n04:51.850 --> 05:12.018\n在村里長願意接受的話部落的領袖我們會透過園民會的系統來協助如果是村里的階層的話我們透過原來的鄉鎮區公所來共同協助我想用這樣的雙管齊下的方式來協助我們在孤島部落裡面或者是原住民區域比較多的聚落可以達成真正做到防災的效果\n\n05:12.759 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