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00:02:25,318\n因為這個我比較擔心的事情是因為就除了這一個剛剛講的這一個鑽油的這一個部署之外它好像也有在測試我看到7月16號9月13號他們都有去做這些干擾這個東沙水域的行動那因為我看這一個所以一直到這幾天都還有\n\n7\n00:02:27,139 --> 00:02:50,233\n對,剛好這幾天會讓我覺得比較concern的地方就是因為以往一個月三、四次可能差不多但這一次這幾天等於是連續了好幾天13號、14號、15號、16號雖然說以一整個月來講這個頻率可能因為它後半段可能沒有但是它那個集中程度可能跟過往又已經不太一樣這也是讓我覺得蠻急迫的一個原因\n\n8\n00:02:51,312 --> 00:03:05,400\n最近在東沙的襲擾我們確實有發現說頻率比較密集尤其是過去很可能它沒有完成一圈的襲擾但是這一次兩艘船連續並等於是兩艘船編隊繞了兩圈我們才驅離出去\n\n9\n00:03:12,003 --> 00:03:38,069\n接下來很快的又有另外一艘海警船持續進來限制水域洗漏我們有發現平次是比較密集因為我們雙十國慶即將要來到所以在這種時候我們都會有專案維持更高度的警戒所以針對東沙的這一次我們有加派一艘大艦等於是在這兩次的洗擾當中\n\n10\n00:03:41,050 --> 00:03:55,692\n我們是用兩艘大艦這樣的量能來做監控這些部分我們都感覺到非常的困擾中國在灰色洗腦的部分他們很多樣性的不斷的翻新他們的手法\n\n11\n00:03:56,212 --> 00:04:23,202\n譬如說最近有一些新的發展譬如說如果說是以中國的船隻它擱淺了以後如果它失去動力的話那需要中國那邊想要來做拖船的方式把它拖回去等等我們也都不排除把這一種在我們的海域製造某種程度的有限度的海難然後要由他們的\n\n12\n00:04:24,902 --> 00:04:41,821\n甚至於他們的公務船要來到我們的海域去處理等等這種我們都保持高度的警戒都有在防範這些事情被當作是灰色洗腦的手段好謝謝主委那我就追問兩個小細節就是說當然第一個就是我看到就是說他們這次這個閩獅魚\n\n13\n00:04:43,743 --> 00:04:58,691\n他這個在喬裝的過程當中他等於是類似是他們海警局的船然後又裝作是他們這一個等於是他本來應該是民兵的這個背景然後假裝是執法的船就是我們過往看到的都是倒過來的就是他明\n\n14\n00:04:59,471 --> 00:05:19,361\n明明是它有執法的量能那它偽裝成是一般民用但這一次我看到報告裡面有提到說有這兩艘它彼此在切換的時候有一艘它本來就是本來是中國這個海警局裡面的船那這樣的一個偵測對這一個海巡署來講有沒有造成比較多的困擾因為這種AIS的它這個切換這個模式越來越多元\n\n15\n00:05:20,305 --> 00:05:37,831\n跟委員報告經過這個報導以後我們有回溯去了解並還沒有找到說中國的漁船它用假冒的AS來假冒成為是俄羅斯的船我們有看到說這兩艘船確實是有\n\n16\n00:05:38,351 --> 00:05:57,771\n用兩組以上有一艘船是用兩組仿冒的AIS有一艘船是用三組這個AIS但是他們仿造的是仿冒的一艘是仿冒海警船中國的海警船另外一艘是仿冒漁船所以沒有找到仿冒俄羅斯船的這個AIS的狀況\n\n17\n00:05:59,913 --> 00:06:27,868\n我們持續會做資訊的交流我們後續還會再更釐清這個案件目前這個案件我們還沒有查到說它是仿冒俄羅斯的軍艦我們查到的是仿冒中國的海警船因為時間關係我們的修法很重要我們的船舶法有在修對於AIS這樣的一個偽造偽冒的狀態我們有新的法案送進來立法院了\n\n18\n00:06:28,408 --> 00:06:56,390\n對就是我希望這個傳播法的修法對於他沒有去遵照就是沒有如實的去告知他正確的身份跟位置這個以後可能是要處罰的那希望能夠給這一個海巡單位有一個執法的手段這第一個但第二個就是因為新型態實在太多了所以需要新的設備需要這個新的monitor的方式剛剛講說要監測嘛這個監測在這個特別預算裡面到底是哪裡能夠去增加這個量呢希望明天在討論的時候能夠跟國人說明\n\n19\n00:06:56,530 --> 00:07:11,621\n我們在最近扣留的越界漁船上面也發現了民兵在上面那這些我們都有保持監控之中好謝謝謝謝沈博亮委員好主委請回接下來請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6792\t11096\t謝謝主席 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9月13號他們都有去做這些干擾這個東沙水域的行動那因為我看這一個所以一直到這幾天都還有\n147139\t170233\t對,剛好這幾天會讓我覺得比較concern的地方就是因為以往一個月三、四次可能差不多但這一次這幾天等於是連續了好幾天13號、14號、15號、16號雖然說以一整個月來講這個頻率可能因為它後半段可能沒有但是它那個集中程度可能跟過往又已經不太一樣這也是讓我覺得蠻急迫的一個原因\n171312\t185400\t最近在東沙的襲擾我們確實有發現說頻率比較密集尤其是過去很可能它沒有完成一圈的襲擾但是這一次兩艘船連續並等於是兩艘船編隊繞了兩圈我們才驅離出去\n192003\t218069\t接下來很快的又有另外一艘海警船持續進來限制水域洗漏我們有發現平次是比較密集因為我們雙十國慶即將要來到所以在這種時候我們都會有專案維持更高度的警戒所以針對東沙的這一次我們有加派一艘大艦等於是在這兩次的洗擾當中\n221050\t235692\t我們是用兩艘大艦這樣的量能來做監控這些部分我們都感覺到非常的困擾中國在灰色洗腦的部分他們很多樣性的不斷的翻新他們的手法\n236212\t263202\t譬如說最近有一些新的發展譬如說如果說是以中國的船隻它擱淺了以後如果它失去動力的話那需要中國那邊想要來做拖船的方式把它拖回去等等我們也都不排除把這一種在我們的海域製造某種程度的有限度的海難然後要由他們的\n264902\t281821\t甚至於他們的公務船要來到我們的海域去處理等等這種我們都保持高度的警戒都有在防範這些事情被當作是灰色洗腦的手段好 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Tang的報告他有提到中國海洋石油最近在做干擾因為它離我們所謂的東沙的距離限制水域其實非常的近那算是一個又是一個比較新型態的灰色地帶的干擾模式\n當然我們最近已經在政院提出了這個海欄七法當然某種程度可以遏止跟這些電纜等等相關的一些問題還有這個還有光纖那針對這一個就是這個比較新型態針對這種專遊船等等的這些的干擾目前的掌握的狀況到底如何\n跟委員報告有關於專警平台目前我們是維持監控那有關於這個議題跨部會的機制都有建立起來那站在國安的立場我們第一個我們當然非常嚴厲的來譴責中國在這樣的一個海域裡面從事這個行為\n雖然說各方面的考量我們在具體的行動上面我們以說監控為主雖然是以監控為主但是基本上我們保持非常非常高度的一個檢測持續會這樣子的來監控下去\n因為這個我比較擔心的事情是因為就除了這一個剛剛講的這一個鑽油的這一個部署之外它好像也有在測試我看到7月16號 9月13號他們都有去做這些干擾這個東沙水域的行動那因為我看這一個所以一直到這幾天都還有\n對,剛好這幾天會讓我覺得比較concern的地方就是因為以往一個月三、四次可能差不多但這一次這幾天等於是連續了好幾天13號、14號、15號、16號雖然說以一整個月來講這個頻率可能因為它後半段可能沒有但是它那個集中程度可能跟過往又已經不太一樣這也是讓我覺得蠻急迫的一個原因\n最近在東沙的襲擾我們確實有發現說頻率比較密集尤其是過去很可能它沒有完成一圈的襲擾但是這一次兩艘船連續並等於是兩艘船編隊繞了兩圈我們才驅離出去\n接下來很快的又有另外一艘海警船持續進來限制水域洗漏我們有發現平次是比較密集因為我們雙十國慶即將要來到所以在這種時候我們都會有專案維持更高度的警戒所以針對東沙的這一次我們有加派一艘大艦等於是在這兩次的洗擾當中\n我們是用兩艘大艦這樣的量能來做監控這些部分我們都感覺到非常的困擾中國在灰色洗腦的部分他們很多樣性的不斷的翻新他們的手法\n譬如說最近有一些新的發展譬如說如果說是以中國的船隻它擱淺了以後如果它失去動力的話那需要中國那邊想要來做拖船的方式把它拖回去等等我們也都不排除把這一種在我們的海域製造某種程度的有限度的海難然後要由他們的\n甚至於他們的公務船要來到我們的海域去處理等等這種我們都保持高度的警戒都有在防範這些事情被當作是灰色洗腦的手段好 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