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00:01:06,973\n營造美學環境那這個經費辦理不能少於該建築物公共造價的1%那我們也知道說因為嘉義的鐵路高架化橫跨著嘉義市以及嘉義縣那嘉義縣的部分大概就是在水上的北回車站那以及車輛基地那我想要請教部長\n\n4\n00:01:07,654 --> 00:01:17,211\n或者是局長可以來回答那未來我們包括水上的北回車站跟車輛基地我們公共藝術要怎麼來安排\n\n5\n00:01:18,465 --> 00:01:46,382\n我是不是請局長沒問題跟委員報告非常感謝委員在八月份有給我們指導那主要是我們現在規劃會把水上基地的滯洪池未來加以就是就景觀化然後可以提供當地的這個民眾做為簡單的這樣的一個測量基地的滯洪池那這個應該是原始的工程建設吧他應該不是公共藝術的這一塊但是將來會在這個地方做相關的景觀跟\n\n6\n00:01:47,443 --> 00:02:06,304\n就是說志鴻池之外可能會在志鴻池之外去搭配一些景觀的一些另外景觀的工程那繼續因為這個志鴻池這個委員也有知道就全區開放跟這個部分區域開放的這兩個方案涉及到未來圍管的這樣的一個權責跟經費\n\n7\n00:02:08,246 --> 00:02:22,109\n那也感謝委員過去幫我們協調就是未來嘉義縣政府願意就這個部分開放的這個場域來接受相關的這個委管的權責所以我們現在會原則上朝這個這樣的一個方案來去做進行\n\n8\n00:02:22,709 --> 00:02:46,272\n所以局長就是說因為我們那次在嘉義就有談過部分開放因為主要是維管費用非常高那我在當時我也是有一點覺得說自紅池因為它可能有自紅的功能但是你知道自紅池周邊的草皮的維護是很辛苦的所以我事實上我要跟局長討論的就是說我們這個車輛基地基本上\n\n9\n00:02:47,372 --> 00:03:13,339\n站在水上的立場他們原本是不歡迎車輛基地那後來經過好長的努力我們也告訴他也許這個車輛基地他可以帶來另外的鐵道迷會很喜歡來的地方他可能是一個車輛修復的一個場域這個還是有他的客群而且這個客群都是很鐵的死忠的死忠的會去看這些鐵道所以我覺得如果我們整個\n\n10\n00:03:16,961 --> 00:03:27,251\n設計這個車輛基地那這一個場域的部分未來要給大家可以去參觀的場域就只有志鴻池的周邊老實說我覺得不夠\n\n11\n00:03:28,342 --> 00:03:54,373\n我們能不能再設計一些空間出來讓未來車輛基地它在修復火車的修復火車的過程中可以讓這些鐵道民去看去看那些財富的修復火車當然在動線上要必須做好分流的管制就是說他們是透過玻璃櫥窗的方式去看火車不去干擾實際的修復的過程\n\n12\n00:03:55,854 --> 00:04:18,756\n我是覺得我們應該朝向這樣來努力我們野心放大一點讓這個車輛基地它讓水上的鄉親之所以會去並不是因為我這裡有一個滯洪池那滯洪池周邊有一些一些藝術景觀然後這個池水池跟滯洪池所以有水很漂亮我覺得這樣比較沒差\n\n13\n00:04:22,006 --> 00:04:35,997\n這個謝謝委員的這個寶貴意見我想這個因為涉及到未來台鐵公司他們實際在這裡面做維修作業的時候相關的一些作業需求我們後面再來這個方向來做研究台鐵公司應該不反對吧台鐵公司董事長照我剛剛的這樣的一個說法台鐵公司\n\n14\n00:04:46,246 --> 00:05:14,295\n我們來研究看看看是不是可以比照類似潮州基地那樣的一個方式啦可能規模沒有那麼大但是也是有一點觀光的這個味道對我們那邊規模當然不是那麼大但是它就是一個車輛基地嘛那我之所以會認為說你看為什麼我們在這裡還要投入這一個公共藝術的預算就是說我們希望說未來的公共工程不要只是公共工程\n\n15\n00:05:15,647 --> 00:05:39,666\n工程它本身也有很多建築物的美要把它呈現出來然後如果這是測量基地的話它同時又帶有更多人文的氣質這些東西實在都是要發展觀光很重要的元素交通部不能夠我們只是為了蓋建築物而蓋建築物我們如果把這一些帶動觀光的元素都放進去這個測量基地以後\n\n16\n00:05:42,068 --> 00:05:54,361\n他可以把一個大家原本以為地方靈畢設施轉化成說一個最好的一個親民大家可以走走踏青的一個好地方\n\n17\n00:05:55,745 --> 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死忠的死忠的會去看這些鐵道所以我覺得如果我們整個\n196961\t207251\t設計這個車輛基地那這一個場域的部分未來要給大家可以去參觀的場域就只有志鴻池的周邊老實說我覺得不夠\n208342\t234373\t我們能不能再設計一些空間出來讓未來車輛基地它在修復火車的修復火車的過程中可以讓這些鐵道民去看去看那些財富的修復火車當然在動線上要必須做好分流的管制就是說他們是透過玻璃櫥窗的方式去看火車不去干擾實際的修復的過程\n235854\t258756\t我是覺得我們應該朝向這樣來努力我們野心放大一點讓這個車輛基地它讓水上的鄉親之所以會去並不是因為我這裡有一個滯洪池那滯洪池周邊有一些一些藝術景觀然後這個池水池跟滯洪池所以有水很漂亮我覺得這樣比較沒差\n262006\t275997\t這個謝謝委員的這個寶貴意見我想這個因為涉及到未來台鐵公司他們實際在這裡面做維修作業的時候相關的一些作業需求我們後面再來這個方向來做研究台鐵公司應該不反對吧台鐵公司董事長照我剛剛的這樣的一個說法台鐵公司\n286246\t314295\t我們來研究看看看是不是可以比照類似潮州基地那樣的一個方式啦可能規模沒有那麼大但是也是有一點觀光的這個味道對我們那邊規模當然不是那麼大但是它就是一個車輛基地嘛那我之所以會認為說你看為什麼我們在這裡還要投入這一個公共藝術的預算就是說我們希望說未來的公共工程不要只是公共工程\n315647\t339666\t工程它本身也有很多建築物的美要把它呈現出來然後如果這是測量基地的話它同時又帶有更多人文的氣質這些東西實在都是要發展觀光很重要的元素交通部不能夠我們只是為了蓋建築物而蓋建築物我們如果把這一些帶動觀光的元素都放進去這個測量基地以後\n342068\t354361\t他可以把一個大家原本以為地方靈畢設施轉化成說一個最好的一個親民 大家可以走走 踏青的一個好地方\n355745\t375818\t這個 委員這個建議我們來仔細的來評估 而且我們地方政府也願意負擔部分的維管費用地方政府 嘉義縣政府也有做出這樣的承諾接下來就是看鐵道局跟台鐵公司一起來支持讓水上這個車輛基地不只是車輛基地是一個觀光的場域這樣好不好\n376240\t381589\t好 我們來研究 朝這方向來進行朝這方面啦 別研究 朝這方面進行就對了不要這句話啦 朝那句話好啦 拜託 謝謝好 謝謝部長 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席那我們是不是有請交通部陳部長跟鐵道局楊局長好\n想透過今天質詢再跟部長聊一下我們嘉義鐵道高價化的公共藝術的設置那我們知道基於這個文化藝術講注促進條例第15條就是重大的公共工程在辦理的時候應該要兼顧這個公共藝術以及這個\n營造美學環境那這個經費辦理不能少於該建築物公共造價的1%那我們也知道說因為嘉義的鐵路高架化橫跨著嘉義市以及嘉義縣那嘉義縣的部分大概就是在水上的北回車站那以及車輛基地那我想要請教部長\n或者是局長可以來回答那未來我們包括水上的北回車站跟車輛基地我們公共藝術要怎麼來安排\n我是不是請局長沒問題跟委員報告非常感謝委員在八月份有給我們指導那主要是我們現在規劃會把水上基地的滯洪池未來加以就是就景觀化然後可以提供當地的這個民眾做為簡單的這樣的一個測量基地的滯洪池那這個應該是原始的工程建設吧他應該不是公共藝術的這一塊但是將來會在這個地方做相關的景觀跟\n就是說志鴻池之外可能會在志鴻池之外去搭配一些景觀的一些另外景觀的工程那繼續因為這個志鴻池這個委員也有知道就全區開放跟這個部分區域開放的這兩個方案涉及到未來圍管的這樣的一個權責跟經費\n那也感謝委員過去幫我們協調就是未來嘉義縣政府願意就這個部分開放的這個場域來接受相關的這個委管的權責所以我們現在會原則上朝這個這樣的一個方案來去做進行\n所以局長就是說因為我們那次在嘉義就有談過部分開放因為主要是維管費用非常高那我在當時我也是有一點覺得說自紅池因為它可能有自紅的功能但是你知道自紅池周邊的草皮的維護是很辛苦的所以我事實上我要跟局長討論的就是說我們這個車輛基地基本上\n站在水上的立場他們原本是不歡迎車輛基地那後來經過好長的努力我們也告訴他也許這個車輛基地他可以帶來另外的鐵道迷會很喜歡來的地方他可能是一個車輛修復的一個場域這個還是有他的客群而且這個客群都是很鐵的 死忠的死忠的會去看這些鐵道所以我覺得如果我們整個\n設計這個車輛基地那這一個場域的部分未來要給大家可以去參觀的場域就只有志鴻池的周邊老實說我覺得不夠\n我們能不能再設計一些空間出來讓未來車輛基地它在修復火車的修復火車的過程中可以讓這些鐵道民去看去看那些財富的修復火車當然在動線上要必須做好分流的管制就是說他們是透過玻璃櫥窗的方式去看火車不去干擾實際的修復的過程\n我是覺得我們應該朝向這樣來努力我們野心放大一點讓這個車輛基地它讓水上的鄉親之所以會去並不是因為我這裡有一個滯洪池那滯洪池周邊有一些一些藝術景觀然後這個池水池跟滯洪池所以有水很漂亮我覺得這樣比較沒差\n這個謝謝委員的這個寶貴意見我想這個因為涉及到未來台鐵公司他們實際在這裡面做維修作業的時候相關的一些作業需求我們後面再來這個方向來做研究台鐵公司應該不反對吧台鐵公司董事長照我剛剛的這樣的一個說法台鐵公司\n我們來研究看看看是不是可以比照類似潮州基地那樣的一個方式啦可能規模沒有那麼大但是也是有一點觀光的這個味道對我們那邊規模當然不是那麼大但是它就是一個車輛基地嘛那我之所以會認為說你看為什麼我們在這裡還要投入這一個公共藝術的預算就是說我們希望說未來的公共工程不要只是公共工程\n工程它本身也有很多建築物的美要把它呈現出來然後如果這是測量基地的話它同時又帶有更多人文的氣質這些東西實在都是要發展觀光很重要的元素交通部不能夠我們只是為了蓋建築物而蓋建築物我們如果把這一些帶動觀光的元素都放進去這個測量基地以後\n他可以把一個大家原本以為地方靈畢設施轉化成說一個最好的一個親民 大家可以走走 踏青的一個好地方\n這個 委員這個建議我們來仔細的來評估 而且我們地方政府也願意負擔部分的維管費用地方政府 嘉義縣政府也有做出這樣的承諾接下來就是看鐵道局跟台鐵公司一起來支持讓水上這個車輛基地不只是車輛基地是一個觀光的場域這樣好不好\n好 我們來研究 朝這方向來進行朝這方面啦 別研究 朝這方面進行就對了不要這句話啦 朝那句話好啦 拜託 謝謝好 謝謝部長 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.205 --> 00:13.232\n謝謝主席那我們是不是有請交通部陳部長跟鐵道局楊局長好\n\n00:27.507 --> 00:44.871\n想透過今天質詢再跟部長聊一下我們嘉義鐵道高價化的公共藝術的設置那我們知道基於這個文化藝術講注促進條例第15條就是重大的公共工程在辦理的時候應該要兼顧這個公共藝術以及這個\n\n00:47.632 --> 01:06.973\n營造美學環境那這個經費辦理不能少於該建築物公共造價的1%那我們也知道說因為嘉義的鐵路高架化橫跨著嘉義市以及嘉義縣那嘉義縣的部分大概就是在水上的北回車站那以及車輛基地那我想要請教部長\n\n01:07.654 --> 01:17.211\n或者是局長可以來回答那未來我們包括水上的北回車站跟車輛基地我們公共藝術要怎麼來安排\n\n01:18.465 --> 01:46.382\n我是不是請局長沒問題跟委員報告非常感謝委員在八月份有給我們指導那主要是我們現在規劃會把水上基地的滯洪池未來加以就是就景觀化然後可以提供當地的這個民眾做為簡單的這樣的一個測量基地的滯洪池那這個應該是原始的工程建設吧他應該不是公共藝術的這一塊但是將來會在這個地方做相關的景觀跟\n\n01:47.443 --> 02:06.304\n就是說志鴻池之外可能會在志鴻池之外去搭配一些景觀的一些另外景觀的工程那繼續因為這個志鴻池這個委員也有知道就全區開放跟這個部分區域開放的這兩個方案涉及到未來圍管的這樣的一個權責跟經費\n\n02:08.246 --> 02:22.109\n那也感謝委員過去幫我們協調就是未來嘉義縣政府願意就這個部分開放的這個場域來接受相關的這個委管的權責所以我們現在會原則上朝這個這樣的一個方案來去做進行\n\n02:22.709 --> 02:46.272\n所以局長就是說因為我們那次在嘉義就有談過部分開放因為主要是維管費用非常高那我在當時我也是有一點覺得說自紅池因為它可能有自紅的功能但是你知道自紅池周邊的草皮的維護是很辛苦的所以我事實上我要跟局長討論的就是說我們這個車輛基地基本上\n\n02:47.372 --> 03:13.339\n站在水上的立場他們原本是不歡迎車輛基地那後來經過好長的努力我們也告訴他也許這個車輛基地他可以帶來另外的鐵道迷會很喜歡來的地方他可能是一個車輛修復的一個場域這個還是有他的客群而且這個客群都是很鐵的死忠的死忠的會去看這些鐵道所以我覺得如果我們整個\n\n03:16.961 --> 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