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00:02:47,053\n我們看到的花蓮縣政府的數據其實就幼兒園的部分請假率還是蠻高的國中小其實也是有74個人請假視訊上課27人但將近有100個人不能到學校請問數字的部分部長這邊有沒有掌握光復商工到底是出席130人還是140幾個幾乎全校就是不是視訊就是請假\n\n8\n00:02:50,252 --> 00:03:14,879\n詳細的數字我會後再跟委員報告但是就關乎三公本來這一個禮拜就是等於以視訊優先然後另外中小學的部分我們知道還有部分的災區家園還沒重建特別幼兒園這裡邊可能有一些災區的家庭他小孩的照顧我想這整體的一個我們大概是像今天也有\n\n9\n00:03:15,419 --> 00:03:34,847\n媒體報導說學生是空手到學校事實上這個都已經這個書包書籍被沖走的本來在學校裡面都已經幫他全部都這個準備好了學生只要沒有書包沒有這個文具沒有課本的學校都已經幫他準備好他就可以直接取用\n\n10\n00:03:35,507 --> 00:03:50,688\n好謝謝部長那我想現在我們的確是面臨兩難就是因為有些家長的確也希望學生能夠早點去學校那像您講的就是如果以花蓮商工為例的話雖然你們希望他能夠試訓\n\n11\n00:03:51,869 --> 00:04:06,781\n可是有一半的學生其實視訊他也沒有辦法參與我們了解到的狀況他的確是需要家裡還需要重整家園需要蠻多的部分我現在想問的事情是我們能不能夠有一些彈性上課的方案\n\n12\n00:04:08,502 --> 00:04:11,284\n那已经明确连视讯都做不到的学生\n\n13\n00:04:38,762 --> 00:04:53,059\n是不是能夠感謝委員提醒確實我們有部分的家庭因為現在通信基本上沒問題所以有部分家裡還需要去整理的有部分學生沒辦法來到學校的我們在花蓮縣政府這個部分我們\n\n14\n00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,542\n現在花蓮關戶這個附近我們請高中協助提供這些網路卡讓他們可以在家裡能夠用視訊那另外關戶商工因為譬如說汽修科所有的汽車實習的工廠全部都已經報廢了\n\n15\n00:05:12,190 --> 00:05:16,193\n那也就慘不忍睹我們現在在汽車工廠整理好以後也幫忙大學端去報會的一個汽車有八部現在學校同意有四部要使用包含民間也願意來捐贈這些汽車修復的這些重型機具我想這我們都持續來做下個禮拜一應該都能夠實體上\n\n16\n00:05:37,691 --> 00:06:02,220\n這個部分的器具都有幫忙張羅那我們這邊掌握到的是教育部跟花蓮縣政府已經提供給學生網路卡分享器電腦課本行動載具我覺得這邊是相當好的但是我們也看到教師的教學需求有包含就是其實不是每個老師都能夠同時就是線上授課然後教室也上課這個混合實體上線的\n\n17\n00:06:04,221 --> 00:06:33,661\n教材跟学习资源另外我们也收到澄清教师其实有些本身就是受灾户他本身就很难来上课包含以光复商工来讲他的教职员工的深宿舍是集中宿舍目前复员的情况也不明还有很多老师住在那所以是不是教育部能够有一些更具体的方案我自己提出三个诉求主席站起来但是理论上我应该还有三分钟\n\n18\n00:06:35,122 --> 00:07:01,416\n這第一個嚴寧彈性上課的方案讓仍然需要救災無法按表上課的師生他能夠兼顧學習也能夠清理家園那特別是出缺席的部分那能不能夠有一些補救的方案那第二個教學如果需要支援的話那軟體的部分我想教育部應該很熟悉很多軟體的資源是不是能夠謝謝委員提醒第三就是受災戶的老師\n\n19\n00:07:03,257 --> 00:07:16,269\n教育部是不是能夠盡速盤點哪些老師本身就是收災戶那他要兼顧上課跟家庭讓老師安心復課我們也跟委員一樣都有關心那至於學校的私生的宿舍現在都已經全部都恢復了\n\n20\n00:07:18,551 --> 00:07:36,596\n包含花蓮商工的部分宿舍全部恢復了嗎宿舍老師的部宿舍跟學生的宿舍基本上都已經清理完畢因為我們還有收到陳情不過沒關係這個數字的部分沒有關係我們會還有包含這三個訴求是不是兩個禮拜可以給本席書面報告好嗎\n\n21\n00:07:37,236 --> 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