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00:02:57,932\n那這邊我要特別感謝我們國防部的鎮戰局在去年的時候鎮戰局有兩個縣制過去是眷舍的空間來提供我們社區做公益的認養所以呢就讓另外兩個團體一個是新降堂這個是水電師傅職人組成的協會\n\n9\n00:03:12,248 --> 00:03:28,979\n另外一個是效力志工團長期在台灣投入在地救災但是每次救災完例如說鏟子手套雨鞋這些東西丟掉可惜啊他們都把它重新清洗好再儲存起來所以我感謝國防部也提供這樣的空間讓我們在社區裡面有這樣子的災防據點\n\n10\n00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:35,864\n那再來呢還有一個模式我覺得也很重要是叫做食物銀行這是在南機場我們有一位叫方和生里長長期投入食物銀行的工作他也曾經獲得總統文化獎那為什麼呢因為就在疫情的時候最嚴重的時候其實我們萬華南機場也曾經面臨幾乎是孤島的絕境物資送不進來\n\n11\n00:03:51,994 --> 00:04:01,516\n所以呢在疫情之後方和勝里長就到台灣各地這次在花蓮他也有跟本末基金會合作的食物銀行平常就來儲存需要的乾糧甚至盥洗用品相關的乾淨的內衣褲衣物都有所以呢在上個禮拜四期第一時間他們在當地就有空間就有車輛就有貨車也有長期配合的在地的大賣場超市第一時間就幫他們把乾糧送到災區了\n\n12\n00:04:19,341 --> 00:04:43,345\n所以這都是長期平時就建立起來的所以我想這樣的來自民間的力量的這種災防的模式是很值得我們政府來去思考未來怎麼樣可以建立起來讓我們可以在民間的防災跟我們政府的各項的部會功能上面有一個更好的合作接下來我想要邀請部長你請點我請衛福部跟農業部一起來因為講到食物銀行\n\n13\n00:04:48,886 --> 00:05:07,192\n食物銀行目前在我們中央的主管機關是衛福部因為它被放在社會救助可是在這一次的這個災防當中我們看到它食物銀行其實轉做物資儲備偏鄉運輸這樣子的功能那食物銀行專法我們已經講民間商業等了10多年了\n\n14\n00:05:07,992 --> 00:05:14,934\n到現在沒有出來所以我特別也要跟內政部來討論就是說我覺得在防災裡面食物銀行也是一個很重要的一個角色所以呢我希望這個我們衛福部關於專法趕快去研議但是內政部未來在整個防災體系也可以把它納入來思考那我也要請教農業部農業部有一個主要業務叫做糧食安全目前你們有沒有把食物銀行納入糧食安全的業務呢\n\n15\n00:05:36,641 --> 00:06:03,827\n我想我們目前我們的公糧收了以後會把當期米提供一些比較弱勢的這些就是你們自己來做嗎我們有沒有在輔導民間成立食物銀行呢我們自己那是我們現在自己來做的部分那我們現在有跟一些量販店像一些量販店他把一些即將過期的有沒有這些東西進到區域性的食物銀行有去這是我們有跟他溝通我們有來協助美和對\n\n16\n00:06:05,347 --> 00:06:27,896\n好這個我再請這個最後就是我要特別拜託我們內政部在未來再去建立我們跟民間的這個災防的合作的模式當中可以就這一次花蓮的經驗我們來汲取一些讓未來我們的災防據點可以更多好我們一定會提出精進的方案好謝謝部長謝謝主席好謝謝吳佩儀委員的發言接下來請劉建國委員\n\n17\n00:06:32,779 --> 00:06:34,741\n劉建國委員不在\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n29\t1010\t感謝主席 我邀請內政部部長請內政部 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雨鞋這些東西丟掉可惜啊他們都把它重新清洗好再儲存起來所以我感謝國防部也提供這樣的空間讓我們在社區裡面有這樣子的災防據點\n那再來呢還有一個模式我覺得也很重要是叫做食物銀行這是在南機場我們有一位叫方和生里長長期投入食物銀行的工作他也曾經獲得總統文化獎那為什麼呢因為就在疫情的時候最嚴重的時候其實我們萬華南機場也曾經面臨幾乎是孤島的絕境物資送不進來\n所以呢在疫情之後方和勝里長就到台灣各地這次在花蓮他也有跟本末基金會合作的食物銀行平常就來儲存需要的乾糧甚至盥洗用品相關的乾淨的內衣褲衣物都有所以呢在上個禮拜四期第一時間他們在當地就有空間就有車輛就有貨車也有長期配合的在地的大賣場超市第一時間就幫他們把乾糧送到災區了\n所以這都是長期平時就建立起來的所以我想這樣的來自民間的力量的這種災防的模式是很值得我們政府來去思考未來怎麼樣可以建立起來讓我們可以在民間的防災跟我們政府的各項的部會功能上面有一個更好的合作接下來我想要邀請部長你請點我請衛福部跟農業部一起來因為講到食物銀行\n食物銀行目前在我們中央的主管機關是衛福部因為它被放在社會救助可是在這一次的這個災防當中我們看到它食物銀行其實轉做物資儲備偏鄉運輸這樣子的功能那食物銀行專法我們已經講民間商業等了10多年了\n到現在沒有出來所以我特別也要跟內政部來討論就是說我覺得在防災裡面食物銀行也是一個很重要的一個角色所以呢我希望這個我們衛福部關於專法趕快去研議但是內政部未來在整個防災體系也可以把它納入來思考那我也要請教農業部農業部有一個主要業務叫做糧食安全目前你們有沒有把食物銀行納入糧食安全的業務呢\n我想我們目前我們的公糧收了以後會把當期米提供一些比較弱勢的這些就是你們自己來做嗎我們有沒有在輔導民間成立食物銀行呢我們自己那是我們現在自己來做的部分那我們現在有跟一些量販店像一些量販店他把一些即將過期的有沒有這些東西進到區域性的食物銀行有去這是我們有跟他溝通我們有來協助美和對\n好 這個我再請這個最後就是我要特別拜託我們內政部在未來再去建立我們跟民間的這個災防的合作的模式當中可以就這一次花蓮的經驗我們來汲取一些讓未來我們的災防據點可以更多好 我們一定會提出精進的方案好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席好 謝謝吳佩儀委員的發言接下來請劉建國委員\n劉建國委員不在\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 --> 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