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--> 00:03:55,320\n我們現在要囤儲的是5到7年期的參考日本的做法跟我們國內相關的產能我們可以生產這些5到7年期的飲用水這一方面可以降低經常退耗的品質另外一方面當然就是整個的飲用水的這樣子的一個韌性能夠建構\n\n13\n00:03:58,742 --> 00:04:21,068\n另外零附件的部分我們也要籌補因為我們一般的年度的作業維持會只能夠滿足裝備的妥善跟平時演訓的需求所以有餘裕才會補充戰備存量我們現在要快速的來補充戰備的需求量的話就要用特別預算來加強我們後勤的一個資深的韌性\n\n14\n00:04:21,988 --> 00:04:45,136\n好部長因為剛好有這樣的一個華爾街日報的新聞嘛質疑台灣目前只有11天天然氣的庫存所以說我可不可以具體的問因為時間到了只剩下最後一分鐘喔就是在我們的這個1132億加強國防韌性尤其是在設備更新後時戰備能量\n\n15\n00:04:45,996 --> 00:04:59,706\n在這兩年補上來之後我們可以延長多少一旦台灣面臨封鎖的時候我們是不是就可以再多撐一點可以多撐多久那這個部分部長能不能回應\n\n16\n00:05:00,846 --> 00:05:26,991\n我想大家關切人員的脆弱性都是在LNG就是屬於液化天然石油氣的部分液化天然氣的部分那在液化天然氣的部分的相關的供應當然我們也有我們的一些計畫存在但是這個我想沒有辦法公開來說明但是我們國軍內部所需要\n\n17\n00:05:27,651 --> 00:05:56,241\n作戰所需要的這些持有的這個儲備的能力這個我們需要快速的提升那這同樣也反映到我們的彈藥的囤儲我們新式的武器籌貨之後彈藥的囤儲我們也要加大整件我們的彈藥囤儲的設施然後讓我們的彈藥囤儲的這個能量整個能夠提升所以有油跟這個彈藥的這個大量的囤儲才能夠讓我們的這個支撐我們的戰變的能量到達一個我們認為可以的程度這樣子\n\n18\n00:05:56,741 --> 00:06:13,320\n好所以言下之意就是我做個結論因為主席已經站起來那就是在有關於國防戰力提升的部分這個部分也許在野黨的委員磨刀霍霍但是又要馬兒好也要讓馬兒能夠有草吃我們才有能力來面對\n\n19\n00:06:14,281 --> 00:06:40,684\n中國或者是其他外在的威脅所以這個部分我讓部長已經講得很清楚了也希望明天在進行預算審查的時候在野黨的委員過去一直在質疑我們一旦面對封鎖我們要如何來做防衛的提升這個部分就是花在這裡也希望部長跟國防部要好好的做一個解釋跟說明不要讓在野黨委員磨刀霍霍就砍掉了那這等於是砍掉了我們的國防安全砍掉了我們的命脈\n\n20\n00:06:41,607 --> 00:06:50,322\n是相關的個案可能需要明天才能夠來再跟委員做個指教這樣好謝謝好謝謝好謝謝林楚芸委員部長請回接下來請徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10159\t15084\t謝謝主席各位部會首長都辛苦了有請國防部顧部長好請顧部長是林委員好\n26724\t45606\t部長好 我剛剛看到一個最新的訊息是這個聯合報他在剛剛1點57分發的是說華爾街日報表示冰推顯示台灣天然氣庫僅存11天中國只要透過檢疫就可以逼台灣限電\n47328\t68620\t我想這個題目就是台灣在面對中國封鎖的時候到底我們在油料在戰備物資能夠撐多久一直以來像剛剛有質詢的這個民眾黨的張祺凱委員又或者是像國民黨的朱立倫主席在辦這個所謂公投的時候也曾經都一直的存疑\n70021\t86895\t其實這一次我們在有關於這一次特別預算的時候我知道這個民眾黨國民黨在乎的都是要不要發一萬那麼其實在所有的預算當中除了財政部要不要發一萬發現金之外最重要也佔比例\n87916\t106485\t有百分之二十點六的就是一千一百三十二億的國防任性那麼其實這個國防任性裡面又分三大點本席特別看了一下強化指管通訊任性這個當然就是擔心我們在\n107915\t126960\t有關於真的遇到國家危難狀況的時候通訊會不會斷離但是有關於設備更新戰備厚實能量的部分建立彈藥庫有24億然後飲用水有20億然後這個有關於軍品跟保修工廠\n128520\t146916\t庫族的設備就高達233億這個部分部長可不可以詳細的做解說因為現在我相信非常多在野黨的委員會認為就是為什麼不放在所謂的長年編的預算要放在\n147697\t161462\t特別預算而且是在115年116年就要來做執行這個是不是扣合了在野黨的擔憂扣合了國際媒體的擔憂這些錢到底花在什麼地方 部長\n163573\t178848\t特別預算當然特別強調韌性在國防的這一塊裡面在戰備用油的部分跟委員報告因為我們平時是自囤戰備用油但是我們為了敵情的威脅日趨嚴峻我們現在是規劃\n180623\t202675\t規劃要向中油來採購32億多的戰備油料由中油代囤之後我們會因此會成為一個分散的囤儲會這樣的囤儲來多元供普的方式來強化我們儲油的一個韌性這一個我想維持儲油的韌性對我們的整個戰備的一個持續力是非常重要的\n203555\t213183\t另外有關水的部分主要是在強調長效期的飲用水的儲量因為我們過去作業維持會裡面所規範的瓶裝飲用水是屬於一年期的\n220129\t235320\t我們現在要囤儲的是5到7年期的參考日本的做法跟我們國內相關的產能我們可以生產這些5到7年期的飲用水這一方面可以降低經常退耗的品質另外一方面當然就是整個的飲用水的這樣子的一個韌性能夠建構\n238742\t261068\t另外零附件的部分我們也要籌補因為我們一般的年度的作業維持會只能夠滿足裝備的妥善跟平時演訓的需求所以有餘裕才會補充戰備存量我們現在要快速的來補充戰備的需求量的話就要用特別預算來加強我們後勤的一個資深的韌性\n261988\t285136\t好部長因為剛好有這樣的一個華爾街日報的新聞嘛質疑台灣目前只有11天天然氣的庫存所以說我可不可以具體的問因為時間到了只剩下最後一分鐘喔就是在我們的這個1132億加強國防韌性尤其是在設備更新後時戰備能量\n285996\t299706\t在這兩年補上來之後我們可以延長多少一旦台灣面臨封鎖的時候我們是不是就可以再多撐一點可以多撐多久那這個部分部長能不能回應\n300846\t326991\t我想大家關切人員的脆弱性都是在LNG就是屬於液化天然石油氣的部分液化天然氣的部分那在液化天然氣的部分的相關的供應當然我們也有我們的一些計畫存在但是這個我想沒有辦法公開來說明但是我們國軍內部所需要\n327651\t356241\t作戰所需要的這些持有的這個儲備的能力這個我們需要快速的提升那這同樣也反映到我們的彈藥的囤儲我們新式的武器籌貨之後彈藥的囤儲我們也要加大整件我們的彈藥囤儲的設施然後讓我們的彈藥囤儲的這個能量整個能夠提升所以有油跟這個彈藥的這個大量的囤儲才能夠讓我們的這個支撐我們的戰變的能量到達一個我們認為可以的程度這樣子\n356741\t373320\t好 所以言下之意就是我做個結論因為主席已經站起來那就是在有關於國防戰力提升的部分這個部分也許在野黨的委員磨刀霍霍但是又要馬兒好也要讓馬兒能夠有草吃我們才有能力來面對\n374281\t400684\t中國或者是其他外在的威脅所以這個部分我讓部長已經講得很清楚了也希望明天在進行預算審查的時候在野黨的委員過去一直在質疑我們一旦面對封鎖我們要如何來做防衛的提升這個部分就是花在這裡也希望部長跟國防部要好好的做一個解釋跟說明不要讓在野黨委員磨刀霍霍就砍掉了那這等於是砍掉了我們的國防安全砍掉了我們的命脈\n401607\t410322\t是 相關的個案可能需要明天才能夠來再跟委員做個指教這樣好 謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝林楚芸委員部長請回接下來請徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席各位部會首長都辛苦了有請國防部顧部長好請顧部長是林委員好\n部長好 我剛剛看到一個最新的訊息是這個聯合報他在剛剛1點57分發的是說華爾街日報表示冰推顯示台灣天然氣庫僅存11天中國只要透過檢疫就可以逼台灣限電\n我想這個題目就是台灣在面對中國封鎖的時候到底我們在油料在戰備物資能夠撐多久一直以來像剛剛有質詢的這個民眾黨的張祺凱委員又或者是像國民黨的朱立倫主席在辦這個所謂公投的時候也曾經都一直的存疑\n其實這一次我們在有關於這一次特別預算的時候我知道這個民眾黨國民黨在乎的都是要不要發一萬那麼其實在所有的預算當中除了財政部要不要發一萬發現金之外最重要也佔比例\n有百分之二十點六的就是一千一百三十二億的國防任性那麼其實這個國防任性裡面又分三大點本席特別看了一下強化指管通訊任性這個當然就是擔心我們在\n有關於真的遇到國家危難狀況的時候通訊會不會斷離但是有關於設備更新戰備厚實能量的部分建立彈藥庫有24億然後飲用水有20億然後這個有關於軍品跟保修工廠\n庫族的設備就高達233億這個部分部長可不可以詳細的做解說因為現在我相信非常多在野黨的委員會認為就是為什麼不放在所謂的長年編的預算要放在\n特別預算而且是在115年116年就要來做執行這個是不是扣合了在野黨的擔憂扣合了國際媒體的擔憂這些錢到底花在什麼地方 部長\n特別預算當然特別強調韌性在國防的這一塊裡面在戰備用油的部分跟委員報告因為我們平時是自囤戰備用油但是我們為了敵情的威脅日趨嚴峻我們現在是規劃\n規劃要向中油來採購32億多的戰備油料由中油代囤之後我們會因此會成為一個分散的囤儲會這樣的囤儲來多元供普的方式來強化我們儲油的一個韌性這一個我想維持儲油的韌性對我們的整個戰備的一個持續力是非常重要的\n另外有關水的部分主要是在強調長效期的飲用水的儲量因為我們過去作業維持會裡面所規範的瓶裝飲用水是屬於一年期的\n我們現在要囤儲的是5到7年期的參考日本的做法跟我們國內相關的產能我們可以生產這些5到7年期的飲用水這一方面可以降低經常退耗的品質另外一方面當然就是整個的飲用水的這樣子的一個韌性能夠建構\n另外零附件的部分我們也要籌補因為我們一般的年度的作業維持會只能夠滿足裝備的妥善跟平時演訓的需求所以有餘裕才會補充戰備存量我們現在要快速的來補充戰備的需求量的話就要用特別預算來加強我們後勤的一個資深的韌性\n好部長因為剛好有這樣的一個華爾街日報的新聞嘛質疑台灣目前只有11天天然氣的庫存所以說我可不可以具體的問因為時間到了只剩下最後一分鐘喔就是在我們的這個1132億加強國防韌性尤其是在設備更新後時戰備能量\n在這兩年補上來之後我們可以延長多少一旦台灣面臨封鎖的時候我們是不是就可以再多撐一點可以多撐多久那這個部分部長能不能回應\n我想大家關切人員的脆弱性都是在LNG就是屬於液化天然石油氣的部分液化天然氣的部分那在液化天然氣的部分的相關的供應當然我們也有我們的一些計畫存在但是這個我想沒有辦法公開來說明但是我們國軍內部所需要\n作戰所需要的這些持有的這個儲備的能力這個我們需要快速的提升那這同樣也反映到我們的彈藥的囤儲我們新式的武器籌貨之後彈藥的囤儲我們也要加大整件我們的彈藥囤儲的設施然後讓我們的彈藥囤儲的這個能量整個能夠提升所以有油跟這個彈藥的這個大量的囤儲才能夠讓我們的這個支撐我們的戰變的能量到達一個我們認為可以的程度這樣子\n好 所以言下之意就是我做個結論因為主席已經站起來那就是在有關於國防戰力提升的部分這個部分也許在野黨的委員磨刀霍霍但是又要馬兒好也要讓馬兒能夠有草吃我們才有能力來面對\n中國或者是其他外在的威脅所以這個部分我讓部長已經講得很清楚了也希望明天在進行預算審查的時候在野黨的委員過去一直在質疑我們一旦面對封鎖我們要如何來做防衛的提升這個部分就是花在這裡也希望部長跟國防部要好好的做一個解釋跟說明不要讓在野黨委員磨刀霍霍就砍掉了那這等於是砍掉了我們的國防安全砍掉了我們的命脈\n是 相關的個案可能需要明天才能夠來再跟委員做個指教這樣好 謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝林楚芸委員部長請回接下來請徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.159 --> 00:15.084\n謝謝主席各位部會首長都辛苦了有請國防部顧部長好請顧部長是林委員好\n\n00:26.724 --> 00:45.606\n部長好我剛剛看到一個最新的訊息是這個聯合報他在剛剛1點57分發的是說華爾街日報表示冰推顯示台灣天然氣庫僅存11天中國只要透過檢疫就可以逼台灣限電\n\n00:47.328 --> 01:08.620\n我想這個題目就是台灣在面對中國封鎖的時候到底我們在油料在戰備物資能夠撐多久一直以來像剛剛有質詢的這個民眾黨的張祺凱委員又或者是像國民黨的朱立倫主席在辦這個所謂公投的時候也曾經都一直的存疑\n\n01:10.021 --> 01:26.895\n其實這一次我們在有關於這一次特別預算的時候我知道這個民眾黨國民黨在乎的都是要不要發一萬那麼其實在所有的預算當中除了財政部要不要發一萬發現金之外最重要也佔比例\n\n01:27.916 --> 01:46.485\n有百分之二十點六的就是一千一百三十二億的國防任性那麼其實這個國防任性裡面又分三大點本席特別看了一下強化指管通訊任性這個當然就是擔心我們在\n\n01:47.915 --> 02:06.960\n有關於真的遇到國家危難狀況的時候通訊會不會斷離但是有關於設備更新戰備厚實能量的部分建立彈藥庫有24億然後飲用水有20億然後這個有關於軍品跟保修工廠\n\n02:08.520 --> 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所以言下之意就是我做個結論因為主席已經站起來那就是在有關於國防戰力提升的部分這個部分也許在野黨的委員磨刀霍霍但是又要馬兒好也要讓馬兒能夠有草吃我們才有能力來面對"},{"start":374.281,"end":400.684,"text":"中國或者是其他外在的威脅所以這個部分我讓部長已經講得很清楚了也希望明天在進行預算審查的時候在野黨的委員過去一直在質疑我們一旦面對封鎖我們要如何來做防衛的提升這個部分就是花在這裡也希望部長跟國防部要好好的做一個解釋跟說明不要讓在野黨委員磨刀霍霍就砍掉了那這等於是砍掉了我們的國防安全砍掉了我們的命脈"},{"start":401.607,"end":410.322,"text":"是 相關的個案可能需要明天才能夠來再跟委員做個指教這樣好 謝謝好 謝謝好 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100億元","（114年度無列數、115年度100億元、116年度無列數）","第2項　勞動力發展署及所屬150億元","（114年度30億2,713萬3千元、115年度61億0,272萬8千元、116年度58億7,013萬9千元）","第1目　支持勞工安定就業150億元","（114年度30億2,713萬3千元、115年度61億0,272萬8千元、116年度58億7,013萬9千元）","（以上請參閱預算書第35至36頁）","第7款　農業部主管190億元","（114年度47億6,996萬5千元、115年度76億2,351萬元、116年度66億0,652萬5千元）","第1項　農業部180億元","（114年度45億9,482萬5千元、115年度71億3,108萬元、116年度62億7,409萬5千元）","第1目　強化農業金融支持、提升產業競爭力及協助開拓多元市場180億元","（114年度45億9,482萬5千元、115年度71億3,108萬元、116年度62億7,409萬5千元）","第2項　漁業署及所屬2億元","（114年度1,514萬元、115年度9,243萬元、116年度9,243萬元）","第1目　強化國土防衛能量2億元","（114年度1,514萬元、115年度9,243萬元、116年度9,243萬元）","第3項　農糧署及所屬8億元","（114年度1億6,000萬元、115年度4億元、116年度2億4,000萬元）","第1目　強化國土防衛能量8億元","（114年度1億6,000萬元、115年度4億元、116年度2億4,000萬元）","（以上請參閱預算書第37至39頁）","第8款　衛生福利部主管360億元","（114年度200億元、115年度116億7,763萬7千元、116年度43億2,236萬3千元）","第1項　衛生福利部261億9,779萬元","（114年度200億元、115年度57億2,154萬元、116年度4億7,625萬元）","第1目　挹注全民健康保險基金及勞工保險基金200億元","（114年度200億元、115年度無列數、116年度無列數）","第2目　加強照顧弱勢族群及提供關懷服務61億9,779萬元","（114年度無列數、115年度57億2,154萬元、116年度4億7,625萬元）","第2項　社會及家庭署98億0,221萬元","（114年度無列數、115年度59億5,609萬7千元、116年度38億4,611萬3千元）","第1目　加強照顧弱勢族群及提供關懷服務35億2,804萬5千元","（114年度無列數、115年度32億5,715萬7千元、116年度2億7,088萬8千元）","第2目　加強照顧弱勢族群及提供關懷服務62億7,416萬5千元","（114年度無列數、115年度26億9,894萬元、116年度35億7,522萬5千元）","（以上請參閱預算書第39至41頁）","第9款　海洋委員會主管295億6,223萬6千元","（114年度4億5,094萬1千元、115年度79億8,712萬2千元、116年度211億2,417萬3千元）","第1項　海巡署及所屬284億6,293萬8千元","（114年度4億5,094萬1千元、115年度74億4,981萬元、116年度205億6,218萬7千元）","第1目　強化國土防衛能量268億0,908萬元","（114年度4億2,544萬1千元、115年度71億7,860萬6千元、116年度192億0,503萬3千元）","第2目　提升資通作業環境及設備16億5,385萬8千元","（114年度2,550萬元、115年度2億7,120萬4千元、116年度13億5,715萬4千元）","第2項　國家海洋研究院10億9,929萬8千元","（114年度無列數、115年度5億3,731萬2千元、116年度5億6,198萬6千元）","第1目　強化國土防衛能量10億9,929萬8千元","（114年度無列數、115年度5億3,731萬2千元、116年度5億6,198萬6千元）","（以上請參閱預算書第41至42頁）","有關政事別歲出預算隨同以上機關別審查結果調整。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":410,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-4-20,15,35,19,22,26-1","speakers":["林思銘","林德福","吳秉叡","顏寬恒","陳亭妃","賴士葆","郭國文","蘇巧慧","賴惠員","柯志恩","萬美玲","葉元之","鄭正鈐","黃秀芳","黃珊珊","林宜瑾","李坤城","鍾佳濱","李彥秀","張宏陸","賴瑞隆","羅明才","郭昱晴","羅美玲","謝龍介","葛如鈞","陳秀寳","羅廷瑋","張智倫","徐欣瑩","李柏毅","邱志偉","王美惠","蔡易餘","牛煦庭","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳冠廷","張雅琳","林月琴","盧縣一","馬文君","沈伯洋","張啓楷","吳沛憶","范雲","王正旭","林楚茵"],"page_start":71,"meetingDate":["2025-10-08"],"gazette_id":"1148101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148101_00003","1148101_00004","1148101_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期財政、內政、外交及國防、經濟、教育及文化、社會福利及衛生環境委員會第1次聯席會議紀錄","content":"審查行政院函請審議「中央政府因應國際情勢強化經濟社會及民生國安韌性特別預算案」","agenda_id":"1148101_00002"}}}